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Unreal's Guide to Superdrol

Unreal I'm sure you can advise me on some questions i have..

First off Im 6'1" 200 lbs been lifting hard since 07 but overall for about 5 yrs, diet is pretty good. i lift 4-5 days a week..(On hand i have 3 bottles of Hdrol, 1 bottle of superdrone LV from Primordial, 2 bottles of 1-T Lv , And 1 vial of test cyp)...I do not have access to any more test at this time but I've had this vial laying in my dresser for 6 months and want to put it to use soon. Now I know it will only give me 250 mg a week if i run 10 wks and i know you r going to say it isn't worth it. I have never ran test before.. I have done Epi and had decent results but at this point i am ready to stack on some more serious muscle..
My goals are to put on lean, Hard quality mass..I know the SD will put on this mass but i dont want any unwanted mass before summer like fat and puggyness Not sure if SD will do that or not. I have never ran SD so i dont Know what type of results i will get. Anyway not to ramble but i need your advice on what to run out of what i have..Keep in mind I have never ran the following:

But first my thoughts have been:

A) run 6 wks of hdrol at 75 all thru with test cyp at 250 wk for 4 wks assuming it will stay in me till wk 6..

B) Run SD at 10/20/20 with test cyp at 250 wk for 4 wks.

I am not really sure where the 1-T would fall in cause i haven't read about too many ppl running that so Im not sure what type of results it would compare to..Maybe you can answer that for me also?

Option A was suggested by Eric of PP saying it would be an awesome stack..
I would really like to run option B then PCT and run option A to cut up but will i have enough time to do so before summer??

So what would you suggest i do out of what I have on hand??

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

And assume diet and training is good as i know that is Numero uno

Sorry its so long but I want to start soon and need an experts opinion that i can trust

Thanks

P.S....I do have liquid Nolva on hand
 
wolfe14 said:
you talking to me? Go for which?
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forgot to quote you, but yea hcg should be used if your cycle is over 6 weeks. SD kick start for test is what i would have ran if i had access to test. 10-12 week cycle total.

You do not have time to run SD/test and H-drol/Test. One is a great bulker cycle, the other is a great lean mass cycle/ hardening.

Depends on your goals. but honestly i would run SD/test and eat very lean. should be the best of both worlds. Better to get to your target weight, then cut to where you want to be. than consistently running cuts and bulk's.
 
I hope I don't get flamed lol. But what would you think of two week runs of Superdrol? Like Bill Roberts 2 on 2off or 2 on 4 off then on weeks off running a natty stack like DTH/DTP? Again I dont much about PHs so just curious?
 
I think 2 on, 2 off could work well with SD. The reason I've hesitated is because i dont want to recommend 6 weeks of SD, even if it has an extra month of off-time embedded in it... the reason being, it could take longer for your HDL to recover, so you'd be spending a 10+ week period with hammered lipids. Obviously if you're getting bloodwork done, you can make sure this won't be a problem. For most people, it shouldn't be a problem, but there's no guarantee...

Or you could just run it so that you total 4 weeks... nothing wrong with that...

Personally I like the pulsing approach more. As i've stated in this guide, in the first two weeks of SD, you don't build a lot of muscle, but you do gain a lot of weight from water/glycogen retention, so the 2 on 2 off method means you're spending a lot of time transitioning between that high-retention environment induced by superdrol and a more normal state, without a ton of time to just enjoy the SD and pack on some muscle.
 
Thanks for the write up- got some good info on clomid from it- I am getting rdy to run my firstm-drol/epi bridge NOT my first cycle tho. My cycle will look like this(Just want to ask the experinced for opinion!) Mdrol-10-20/20/20/20 epi-0/0/0/30/40/40
Pct- Clomid100/75/50/50 Inhibit E- 0/0/RD/RD/ (RD =Reccomended dose) As well as creatine and Arganine- O and FOOD!!! LOTS OF IT! Stats- 6'0 217.4 age 22 1/2 Working out for about 20 months
Whgat does everyone think?
 
@ The dark half, if you are going to pulse EOD i wouldn't exceed 30mg, 30mg is plenty, i would rather pulse 20mg eod and pulse for longer.
Ideally i would still pulse 3x a week and do 30mg but this is better suited to 3x/week routines like DC or a recomp/cut where lifting is only done 3x a week.

@ schwellington, why take off a week of Epi and add a week of Mdrol? It'll work fine I just think more Epi and less SD will be a friendlier cycle.
But dude, working out 20 months and you've already been been cycling and now wanna run this stack, what is your hurry? I'll just assume you've figured out your **** but be sure you're getting enough time off between your cycles.
 
UnrealMachine said:
@ The dark half, if you are going to pulse EOD i wouldn't exceed 30mg, 30mg is plenty, i would rather pulse 20mg eod and pulse for longer.
Ideally i would still pulse 3x a week and do 30mg but this is better suited to 3x/week routines like DC or a recomp/cut where lifting is only done 3x a week.
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Gotcha. I'm in the middle of the pulse now and pulsing for a total of 6 weeks with week 3 beginning today. I've been using mdrol 20mg and SD-LV 10 mg for the last week or so...just haven't been seeing much in the size dept. Granted I am cutting but I just haven't noticed much of a difference. Makes me think my mdrol is bunk unless what i'm experiencing is expected on a pulse.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Gotcha. I'm in the middle of the pulse now and pulsing for a total of 6 weeks with week 3 beginning today. I've been using mdrol 20mg and SD-LV 10 mg for the last week or so...just haven't been seeing much in the size dept. Granted I am cutting but I just haven't noticed much of a difference. Makes me think my mdrol is bunk unless what i'm experiencing is expected on a pulse.
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lol, i have generated too much hysteria about bunk mdrol, most likely you're not seeing size because you're cutting. You can't expect size. On a cut, i'd expect some muscle fullness and hardness from the SD and slow but steady strength gains. And keep in mind that pulsing is a means of attenuating steroid strength so don't expect as much as someone running 20-30mg a day. If you are just starting week 3 on a pulse, then you should be getting into the fun part. Your cycle is only 1/3 over and that first third is more of an induction period.
 
UnrealMachine said:
lol, i have generated too much hysteria about bunk mdrol, most likely you're not seeing size because you're cutting. You can't expect size. On a cut, i'd expect some muscle fullness and hardness from the SD and slow but steady strength gains. And keep in mind that pulsing is a means of attenuating steroid strength so don't expect as much as someone running 20-30mg a day. If you are just starting week 3 on a pulse, then you should be getting into the fun part. Your cycle is only 1/3 over and that first third is more of an induction period.
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Haha yeah, I remember reading that post/log of yours about taking 40mg of mdrol and not feeling anything. Maybe you're right. I guess size was the wrong word...i just expected to have some small gains/recomp that would be noticeable by now. Yeah I'm not expecting much in the strength dept either...just looking to help keep my muscle around while cutting.

I might switch over to 20mg of SD-LV and 10mg of mdrol. SD-LV is told to have better absorption...and from the SD-LV logs i've seen nothing but great results.

Thanks for the advice...looks like i'll just chill and be patient :fing02:
 
RoadBlocK said:
TRUST NO ONE when it comes to the subject, it will only get you in trouble.

Learn, teach, lead, think, question, answer, help, challenge, discuss, but never, never, ever trust.
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when walking in the twilight, even your best friend must be held at the end of an accusation.
 
considering EPI is less harsh as PHERA, for the SD bridge in the write-up...is that possibly why it was chosen for example? curious if theres much reason to opt for the harsh compound unless you risk losing some gains? i only ask if theres is MUCH reason to take on the toxicity difference. did i answer my own question? :P

6 weeks sd/phera VS 6 weeks sd/epi
 
less liver toxic. Less harsh, less shutdown, should lower estrogen, should get rid of some water weight and leave most people *looking* better. Lot of reasons for choosing Epi.

I love Phera though. No reason why it won't work great.
 
hey unreal..
i was thinking about doing another bold/hdrol as my next cycle.. would front loading SD into this stack be too much? something like...

10/20/20/0/0/0/0/0 --SD
800/800/800/800/800/800/800/800 -- bold (may run 1g if i can find more bold)
100/100/100/100/100/100/0/0 --hdrol

am i over doing it ?? this would be my 4th cycle..but i've never run SD before. i have some Prostanivar which i was going to use..but i am hesitant since i cant really manipulate the SD dose individually with it..any feed back greatly appreciated. thanks
 
Just looks like a lot of methyls, which is your risk to take, lol. Personally that's a tad past what I'd feel comfortable doing... I'll show you what variation I would feel comfortable running:

10/20 SD
800*8 BOLD
75/75/100/100/100/100/ HD

its just slightly milder... Little 2 weeker of SD for a kickstart. Should throw on 10 pounds anyhow. I've thought about running a SD minikick, like 10 days, for every cycle I do

I don't think SD is very necessary in that cycle though. Unless you really want it, I'd save it for another cycle. With the durations you want, you should do some injectables next...
 
I am going to run a 5 week sd pulse m,w,f. Its my first time with sd have done hdrol(before i was 21 but kept dosage very low 50mg for 4 wks) cycle before. My dosage is
1)10,20,20
2)20,20,20
3)20,20,20
4)30,30,30
same for week 5. Will take 10 pre work-out and the rest following the workout.
Ill be taking cycle assist on off days have read a lot about milk thistle being counter productive. PCT will be liquid tamox probably just run 3 weeks at 20 since ill be pulsing and dosages are not that high. I looked at dhea but im only 21 and the majority of ppl said stay away. Would you recommend adding a test booster on off days? And do you see any areas I have overlooked when putting my cycle together?
Thanks
 
when pulsing 30 do 20 pre workout and 10 post. DHEA should not be necessary for this one at all... if you run into lethargy then pick some up but that's unlikely. A test booster on off days is up to you. You can still run the milk thistle... if you are really worried about it being counter productive just take it on the off days... personally I would just run it in PCT.
 
Hey unreal since SD causes so much glyco retention, is it safe to say your pretty much bound to add some fat with that 15-20lb some people report?
 
citystreets said:
Hey unreal since SD causes so much glyco retention, is it safe to say your pretty much bound to add some fat with that 15-20lb some people report?
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With #s like 15-20 pounds it sounds like some fat is going on, but it's different for everybody. A lot of people think they're adding no fat but that may just be because fat is less noticable on SD because it's more stretched out over muscles that are fully pumped out.

A lot of that weight is definitely what I would call "temporary weight" though. And #s like 20 pounds in 4 weeks, got to be some fat going on.
 
hey Unreal...I am on week 2 of a short 2 week cycle of superdrone along with Clen....I have been spreading out my dosage of Sd 10 mg at lunch and the other 10mg at 7pm before i workout. Do you reccomend doing that or just taking the whole 20mg dose preworkout??? also what are your opinions on taking clen along with it???
 
wolfe14 said:
hey Unreal...I am on week 2 of a short 2 week cycle of superdrone along with Clen....I have been spreading out my dosage of Sd 10 mg at lunch and the other 10mg at 7pm before i workout. Do you reccomend doing that or just taking the whole 20mg dose preworkout??? also what are your opinions on taking clen along with it???
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I really don't think the way you dose is a big deal. I wouldn't dose at 7pm because that's pretty late in the day but it's working fine for you isn't it? As for the clen, well it seems a little confused, why is the clen in a SD cycle, are you trying to use that to make it more or a lean bulk, or are you trying to recomp, whats the cardio situation? You can add clen on top of anything so long as you can handle it.

GearedVader said:
Pin to win Unreal .. . . when was your last cycle?
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Right now.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I really don't think the way you dose is a big deal. I wouldn't dose at 7pm because that's pretty late in the day but it's working fine for you isn't it? As for the clen, well it seems a little confused, why is the clen in a SD cycle, are you trying to use that to make it more or a lean bulk, or are you trying to recomp, whats the cardio situation? You can add clen on top of anything so long as you can handle it.



Thanks...And yes my intention is to do a quick lean bulk before leaving for FL beaches on saturday..Just trying to add some xtra mass along with loosing a little BF...Cardio is 3 to 4 days a week for 20-30 min after i lift...Diet is 5-6 smalls meals a day with lean protein like can chicken every 3 hrs at work etc.
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Hey unreal, how many cals should one opt for using SD in a bridge, OVER maintenance cals? should it be increased more than usual (IE 300-500 kcals over BMR) to take full advantage or will this just result is extra unused cals and more Fat gain???

the last time i went fairly high with the cals (185lbs at 4000cals day) i didnt see MUCH extra gains (phera) but i also wasnt doing cardio...so i just wondered if perhaps the HYPER CALORIC method (the typical + 700-1000cals over main) is not effective for AAS as proclaimed? im planning cardio this time around but need to get cals in check without wasting any cycle potential.

thanks
 
T H E O R E M said:
Hey unreal, how many cals should one opt for using SD, OVER maintenance? should it be increased more than usual (IE 300-500 kcals over BMR) to take full advantage or will this just result is extra unused cals and more Fat gain???

the last time i went fairly high with the cals (185lbs at 4000cals day) i didnt see MUCH extra gains (phera) but i also wasnt doing cardio...so i just wondered if perhaps the HYPER CALORIC method (the typical + 700-1000cals over main) is not effective for PH's ? im planning cardio this time around but need to get cals in check without wasting any cycle potential.

thanks
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I think this depends too much on the individual to generalize, some people need to eat a lot more than others to bulk. I don't even eat that much when i'm bulking and I can maintain pretty well on 3k. Thats all because I have a slow metabolism... I am guessing yours is fast, if that's the case then basically you want to increase calories until you reach the verge of gaining fat. If you want to bulk properly, you should eat enough excess that some fat gains occur, but if you are doing it properly they should be very minimal.
700-1000 cals above maintenance should be very effective on PHs, i am not sure why Phera didn't work well for you, maybe it just isn't a good steroid for you.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I think this depends too much on the individual to generalize, some people need to eat a lot more than others to bulk. I don't even eat that much when i'm bulking and I can maintain pretty well on 3k. Thats all because I have a slow metabolism... I am guessing yours is fast, if that's the case then basically you want to increase calories until you reach the verge of gaining fat. If you want to bulk properly, you should eat enough excess that some fat gains occur, but if you are doing it properly they should be very minimal.
700-1000 cals above maintenance should be very effective on PHs, i am not sure why Phera didn't work well for you, maybe it just isn't a good steroid for you.
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Yeah makes sense, i am from what i understand im an ECTO (being skinny as a child and bone structure/frame) but i felt i didnt gain any MORE mass with upping those cals, but i did gain FAT. So considering those factors i guess i shouldn't Expect such HIGH weight changes on cycle. Or just use cardio, but the consensus with cardio on cycles seems to point to being counter productive when bulking for many.

To create a clearer picture, when using a cycle such as this for example. What would you personally consider a substantial fat increase? A "Millimeter" on caliper measurements? A half inch on the waist? etc (perhaps after gaining 5-10lbs)

while i have many elements prepared for my cycles i want to have a more realistic goal this time.
 
If you are gaining fat without adding muscle while ON cycle then something is very wrong. If you are responding to Phera and training/eating properly that just shouldn't be happening... did you respond to the Phera? Even if you aren't gaining weight you should gain some strength and harden up a bit...
 
Dont get me wrong i gained, i had about 10-12lbs or so maybe i think pre PCT, it was a 5 week cycle. I got some strength gains (nothing i hoped for). not sure how much was LBM , i remember gaining 1-1.5 inches on the waist...so i flipped out in surprise thinking my calories were fine after all that, so much was fat mass. either cals was just too high or Perhaps i had a degraded product? im not suspicious of training, i continued to make gains thereafter. i bumped cals an extra 500cals so that may have been a mistake...it felt pretty weak and no stronger than epi...maybe even weaker. When i took epi the first time, it was undeniable, the pumps, size, strength. Phera just didnt compare...although i weighed a little more when i ran phera. i guess ill have to go into this one as normal setup and keep my eyes peeled as i bump up the cals.
 
how common could it possibly be , to be a NON-RESPONDER to any AAS let alone PHERA?? seems weird in general to state a steroid did nothing to you, as common as reports are for other PH's. Have you heard of this case with phera unreal?
 
if you gained over 10 pounds and made strength gains it sounds like it was working.
 
Where can you get SD or a clone of it? I had superdrol a few years go and loved it and I haven't been in the scene much and am trying to get back on it. I'm a little confused on ppl posting superdrol and superdrone... Where are you guys picking up superdrol at? Sorry for the newbish question, like i said it's been awhile since i've been in this scene.
 
nevermind, i think i figured it out...well i thought i did...been discontinued i'm seeing? Someone correct me if im wrong
 
you need some Super-Food-Drol to break that 155 mark.
 
UnrealMachine said:
you need some Super-Food-Drol to break that 155 mark.
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lmao.. he's right man. 155 is pretty damn skinny for 5'10". you need to bulk, with FOOD!

and to clear up you're superdrol/superdrone dilemma

superdrone was a liqua-vade product made by PP. same as superdrol. good sh*t. i have a few bottles in my stash calling my name.. ohh the temptation.. lol.
 
UnrealMachine said:
you need some Super-Food-Drol to break that 155 mark.
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Super carbs and super steak! then some super sleep and MAYBE when you hit that 180 think about SD again.. Better hurry up and eat if you wanna get there
 
hey unreal..why do some people end up with gyno after sd cycles?? whats the most common reason in your experience for this? still hoping to run bold/hdrol with a 2 week sd kick start as discussed earlier...but gyno scares the ****e out of me ...your thoughts?
 
brownchoclit said:
hey unreal..why do some people end up with gyno after sd cycles?? whats the most common reason in your experience for this? still hoping to run bold/hdrol with a 2 week sd kick start as discussed earlier...but gyno scares the ****e out of me ...your thoughts?
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I guess you didn't read the guide... it's under "delayed gyno"
 
So fellas, i've read through the thread, and remember another thread about SD that was ran 5mg ED for three weeks with good results. That was an old thread from 2008. What do you guys think about doing that for a recomp/lean bulk? Would a smaller PCT of Nolva be sufficient, say 20,20,10?
 
tryingtologin said:
So fellas, i've read through the thread, and remember another thread about SD that was ran 5mg ED for three weeks with good results. That was an old thread from 2008. What do you guys think about doing that for a recomp/lean bulk? Would a smaller PCT of Nolva be sufficient, say 20,20,10?
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if you want to do a smaller cycle that's fine of course... just because I don't talk about it doesn't mean i want to discourage it. But 5mg won't produce "good results" for a lot of people so it's not the kind of cycle I plan out for other people. As for how much you can really recomp or bulk in 3 weeks, it's a pretty small extent, hence the saying "nothing ventured, nothing gained."

At any rate it's a boost beyond what you'd get from OTC supplements and you'd be using about $3 of Superdrol lol...
 
UnrealMachine said:
At any rate it's a boost beyond what you'd get from OTC supplements and you'd be using about $3 of Superdrol lol...
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BOO YAA! RIGHT ON THE FCKUING HEAD!

sorry, i've been in this uneducated debate in the supplement forum with the idiots from usp labs about pink magic.

60 bucks! all natural, and "secret" ingredients.

any who, 10mg of a good sd product will be great for a recomp.

atleast, thats what I Like to dose it at. I prefer 20mg if im going for bulk.

un likes the 20 for everything. ha ha ha
 
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