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iPhone 4, Who's getting one?

What I find funny is people getting emotional over a ****in phone. "This company is crap.." " I hate Apple", etc.....yeah...ok.

Maybe when Apple will make a phone that will give you guys a reach around you might be happy then.

...says the guy who spent the entire thread touting the merits of Apple vs the evil M$.

Apple stuff is sl33k, no doubt! But I just think it's pathetic when electronic devices have become status symbols.

BRB

*putting on mah Tommy Jeans, Starter Jackets (or Members Only), and a fresh pair of AF-1s.
 
I have been a Macintosh user since I knew what computers were: my parents owned - and still own, actually - the original Macintosh I; they owned the original Power Macs, iMacs - hell, they even owned a Newton. (For those of you unfamiliar with how Apple began the PDA trend so long ago, "Google it.") And since those early days, I have owned iMacs and Powerbooks myself.

Over all those years - and again, we are speaking about over twenty years in this instance - my parents and I have never retired an Apple desktop due to viruses, software malfunction and the like. I repeat: never. In 2003-04, after being forced to seek online alternatives for high school, my parents and I were required to purchase a PC as the online school's system was compatible with Windows-based PCs only. Since that date, my parents have retired five desktops not due to age, but due to malicious viruses and the like.

All that needs to be said!
 
I have been a Macintosh user since I knew what computers were: my parents owned - and still own, actually - the original Macintosh I; they owned the original Power Macs, iMacs - hell, they even owned a Newton. (For those of you unfamiliar with how Apple began the PDA trend so long ago, "Google it.") And since those early days, I have owned iMacs and Powerbooks myself.

Over all those years - and again, we are speaking about over twenty years in this instance - my parents and I have never retired an Apple desktop due to viruses, software malfunction and the like. I repeat: never. In 2003-04, after being forced to seek online alternatives for high school, my parents and I were required to purchase a PC as the online school's system was compatible with Windows-based PCs only. Since that date, my parents have retired five desktops not due to age, but due to malicious viruses and the like.

All that needs to be said!

Your parents need to learn how to use a computer.

We could swap anonymous anecdotal stories all day long. I've used PC's exclusively my whole life...outside of a few hardware problems (hd going out), I've never "retired" a computer due to viruses or malware.
 
Your parents need to learn how to use a computer.

Thanks for the advice! I will ensure they take it into consideration.

We could swap anonymous anecdotal stories all day long. I've used PC's exclusively my whole life...outside of a few hardware problems (hd going out), I've never "retired" a computer due to viruses or malware.

Congratulations on being the exception to a well-established norm! And whether or not my parents "need to learn how to use a computer" is irrelevant to the more general point I was making: namely, using two devices in precisely the same way produced two diametrically opposed results.

Now, while I would be more than happy to "swap" more "anecdotal stories" with you "all day long," I must "retire" to a separate "discussion" where I unnecessarily place word choices in dickish air-quotes to maximize my condescension.

"Good bye." :lol:
 
Thanks for the advice! I will ensure they take it into consideration.



Congratulations on being the exception to a well-established norm! And whether or not my parents "need to learn how to use a computer" is irrelevant to the more general point I was making: namely, using two devices in precisely the same way produced two diametrically opposed results.

Now, while I would be more than happy to "swap" more "anecdotal stories" with you "all day long," I must "retire" to a separate "discussion" where I unnecessarily place word choices in quotes.

"Good bye." :lol:

Lol dude...I hope you saw the sarcasm in my opening line.

I couldn't care less what other people use. It just really seems odd that I've been around computers since kindergarden, and never experienced one of these horror-stories that Apple fanbois tout.

Like I said before, I think Apple gear is very sleek and sexy looking. I'm sure someone whom is looking for that is going to be very happy with their purchase. That IMO is the beauty of capitalism.


I'm being totally serious here, and I'm sure it's been asked: Is their any merit to the notion that per-capata (possible grammar fail) their could be as many people dissatisfied with Apple gear as with PC? Wouldn't their collective voice be much smaller, given the smaller total market share?

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Spade a spade.
 
I'll probably spock a Droid or the windows 7 phone. I use a dirty flip right now heh. I have used apple and pc all my life. I prefer pc , I have never had any problems with one but I have learned how they work and how to solve problems before they start. If your old or don't want to mess around with a comp and can afford to upgrade every few years macs are what you want. If you want to play games and get more into customization you want a pc. If you invest in a quality one or build it yourself your not going to have a slow boot time....and viruses...honestly people..upkeep on a pc is pretty easy.
 
^ Keep it civil you two!

@ Mullet:

A simple re-format will get rid of most virus woes, and in the rare cases where the stubborn ones can survive through that, do a different format, where you write 0s over the drive first. Active@killdisk is agreat tool for that :)

@ everyone:

I think it's widely known and accepted that the reasons macs don't suffer the same virus exposure is only due to macs having so few users. most viruses are created for a purpose (not just to be a **** lol) and windows is used by most of the world, so naturally they target windows, more damage to be done/money to be made etc.

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Here's a reputable source that has a billion quotes from experts. Most of them say it is the person, and not the machine that is responsible for security.

It also backs my point up, windows is just targeted more because you can make more money that way. Once mac gets its market share up, we will see a lot more virii on the mac platform.

Really, it's all down to personal preference, get what you like :) I vote everyone looks into linux!
 
...says the guy who spent the entire thread touting the merits of Apple vs the evil M$.


I did no such thing. I simply explained the difference between the two in which both me a votum agreed its apples and oranges. Where did I get emotional to the point I said a company sucks? Or its gay? Or any other childish response?

I already stated Apple will become the new Microsoft which by most people's notion would be a negative. I never knew Microsoft was such an altruistic company... :lol:

Apple stuff is sl33k, no doubt! But I just think it's pathetic when electronic devices have become status symbols.

BRB

*putting on mah Tommy Jeans, Starter Jackets (or Members Only), and a fresh pair of AF-1s.

Looks like you have more a problem with people rather than the devices.

BRB - Rebelling against a tech company!
 
Thanks for the advice! I will ensure they take it into consideration.



Congratulations on being the exception to a well-established norm! And whether or not my parents "need to learn how to use a computer" is irrelevant to the more general point I was making: namely, using two devices in precisely the same way produced two diametrically opposed results.

Now, while I would be more than happy to "swap" more "anecdotal stories" with you "all day long," I must "retire" to a separate "discussion" where I unnecessarily place word choices in dickish air-quotes to maximize my condescension.

"Good bye." :lol:




:lol:
 
I'm being totally serious here, and I'm sure it's been asked: Is their any merit to the notion that per-capata (possible grammar fail) their could be as many people dissatisfied with Apple gear as with PC? Wouldn't their collective voice be much smaller, given the smaller total market share?

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Spade a spade.

Sure...and by the same notion you should find just as many people stating Windows in all it's versions have been stable, smooth, well coded OS's.......in fact, with their market share there should be hundreds of millions of these voices out there.

...but you probably couldn't hear them above the laughter of all the coders out there at that notion.
 
@ everyone:

I think it's widely known and accepted that the reasons macs don't suffer the same virus exposure is only due to macs having so few users. most viruses are created for a purpose (not just to be a **** lol) and windows is used by most of the world, so naturally they target windows, more damage to be done/money to be made etc.

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Here's a reputable source that has a billion quotes from experts. Most of them say it is the person, and not the machine that is responsible for security.

It also backs my point up, windows is just targeted more because you can make more money that way. Once mac gets its market share up, we will see a lot more virii on the mac platform.

Really, it's all down to personal preference, get what you like :) I vote everyone looks into linux!

I pretty much agree wholeheartedly with you on this Votum.

I did no such thing. I simply explained the difference between the two in which both me a votum agreed its apples and oranges. Where did I get emotional to the point I said a company sucks? Or its gay? Or any other childish response?

Nope. You didn't. I never claimed you did. I said you spent the thread touting the merits of Apple vs M$. Don't get all butthurt chief.


Looks like you have more a problem with people rather than the devices. Good luck with that. You're such a rebel.

Some people are materialistic fools. I grew up with almost no money, so I tend to be thankful for what I have now.

I miss the clown :(.
 
"You must spread reputation before giving it to Wyatt again"


I guess you don't need any though lol
 
Sure...and by the same notion you should find just as many people stating Windows in all it's versions have been stable, smooth, well coded OS's.......in fact, with their market share there should be hundreds of millions of these voices out there.

...but you probably couldn't hear them above the laughter of all the coders out there at that notion.

That was actually an honest question. Do you not think Macs will have problems with malicious coders in the future?
 
Nope. You didn't. I never claimed you did. I said you spent the thread touting the merits of Apple vs M$. Don't get all butthurt chief.

.....as a continuation to my statement implying I was doing the same. Or did you not think that far?


Butthurt? Is that a new trendy internet thing the cool kids are using now?

Should I post a funny "epic fail" pic?
I miss the clown :(.

You could be the new one! All angry and everything!
 
That was actually an honest question. Do you not think Macs will have problems with malicious coders in the future?

And I gave you an honest answer. The laughing part was a joke...but partly true.
 
Pre orders go on sale now...Its June 15th.


BRB - Getting my new piece of trendy jewellery :D
 
.....as a continuation to my statement implying I was doing the same. Or did you not think that far?


Butthurt? Is that a new trendy internet thing the cool kids are using now?

Should I post a funny "epic fail" pic?


You could be the new one! All angry and everything!

Nah. I don't let boards irritate me in real life. As you can tell, I barely post here.
 
Nah. I don't let boards irritate me in real life. As you can tell, I barely post here.

Ah...you just let Iphone's and Member Only jackets do that for you :lol:


Hey, its good to have priorities.
 
Wow...won't let this one go eh?

I get it chief.


Let what go? I'm working on the board.


Ok, I won't say anything more to you. You can go now. I won't say a thing. I promise. :D
 
As Apple gets more mainstream with their OS you will see an increase of virus issues... Just the nature of the beast. However, you may also see better and quicker fixes than Microsoft.
 
^ Keep it civil you two!

@ Mullet:

A simple re-format will get rid of most virus woes, and in the rare cases where the stubborn ones can survive through that, do a different format, where you write 0s over the drive first. Active@killdisk is agreat tool for that :)

Or, and this was the point I was making: they could simply purchase a desktop where that is entirely unnecessary. As this point seems to be lost in the fray, let me analogize with supplements.

Assume for a second that both USPlabs and a competitor release, say, a creatine-based product purported to achieve similar results, with similar ingredients, and so on. By all means, they are comparable products. The only difference being that mg-for-mg, the competitor's product is substantially more potent, meaning one needs to ingest less to achieve comparable results; and what is more, due to the pharmacology of the ingredient, the doses must be taken in a very staggered fashion in order for the product to remain effective.

What this amounts to, on the one hand, is USPlabs' product needing to be taken seven times a day, and on the other, the competitor's product needing to be taken simply once. Now, despite the massive ease with which one could take a product seven times - indeed, placing a powder in water and stirring it is far less work than an entire HD overhaul - the overwhelming consensus would undoubtedly be: "Why, in the case of comparable products, would I choose the option which presents me exponentially more inconvenience and upkeep than the latter?" And similar is the point I am making here.

Whether or not the steps to protect and/or rectify the constant issues of Windows-based PC are simple are not - and for the record, I agree they largely are for tech-savvy individuals - the point being they do not exist on a Mac, and have not.

You also seem to be forgetting that "ease" is a relative term, here, and you are projecting the ease with which you do something on to a general population. I have spent the last four years consuming knowledge about all of USPlabs' ingredients, and your point equates to me clamoring, "Jeez, you can't understand how AP works? I mean, it's really just a matter of understanding how the PPAR nuclear transcription factors alter the expression of their target genes, and how this determines preferential oxidative substrate selection?"

Considering you most likely do not care nor understand what I just said, do you now see how silly it seems for me to tell my parents, "A simple re-format will get rid of most virus woes, and in the rare cases where the stubborn ones can survive through that, do a different format, where you write 0s over the drive first. Active@killdisk is agreat tool for that"?
 
My family and I are switching cell phone providers coming up in July. So I have some options...

1. I can switch to verizon and get the droid or the new HTC incredible. I'm leaning towards the droid if this happens because I like the looks of it more for the most part.

2. I can switch to AT&T and get the iphone 4.

3. I can switch to AT&T and get an iphone 3GS for cheap as hell and wait until the iphone 5 comes out.

There are pros and cons to each:

I've heard verizon's coverage isn't as good at AT&T's
I don't want to get the iphone 4 then have it bug out and get a new one
I don't want to pay that much for a phone to be honest :lol:
I don't want to get a 3GS when I can be top **** with an iphone 4

So i'm on the fence. But I have some time to think about it.
 
Don't forget timing in your analogy. In your comparison, you could only take USPL creatine when there's a full moon...

Up until very recently, if you were into gaming you were SOL with a mac.
 
Don't forget timing in your analogy. In your comparison, you could only take USPL creatine when there's a full moon...

Up until very recently, if you were into gaming you were SOL with a mac.

True, but I was speaking more about ease-of-use overall.
 
And Microsoft was dead if it wasn't for their Xbox which by all tech head accounts is ......underpowered. PS3 is more powerful all around. Did that help them? So whats your point?

Wow.. that is simply wrong.

A company that currently has 92% of the OS market share is not almost dead, nor was it ever even conceivably close.

I do not care for these little MS vs. Apple conversations, especially since now Apple runs an Intel processor.

As for security Apple is the very first OS hacked in the PWN2OWN hacker convention a few years running.

All OSes have their problems, the skinned Nix Darwin Kernel is not impervious to that.
 
Wow.. that is simply wrong.

A company that currently has 92% of the OS market share is not almost dead, nor was it ever even conceivably close.

I do not care for these little MS vs. Apple conversations, especially since now Apple runs an Intel processor.

As for security Apple is the very first OS hacked in the PWN2OWN hacker convention a few years running.

All OSes have their problems, the skinned Nix Darwin Kernel is not impervious to that.

Not dead as in dissolved. Dead as in severely losing clout in the tech industry. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue they would be gone.

Microsoft in the last 10 years has increasingly earned profits from programs other than their OS systems. In fact, most of their profits are earned from corporate contracts, not consumers. Its a market share they buy, not because of superiority of product.

In fact a mojor reason they released WIndows 7 is because of the disappointment of Vista.


Honestly I don't even think Apple cares since they are moving the market away form desktop based system anyway. Ipads are selling like crazy...you can't even order a new Iphone because their servers are overloaded. They are already larger in terms of market value.

Its like having 92% of the horse and buggy market when Ford introduced the Model T. :lol:
 
I've been trying to pre-order all morning. Too much traffic! :zx11pissed:

Go through ATT. When you get to the upgrade line option and it gives you an error, keep refreshing...you'll get through. Took me like 3 times then it went through.
 
Not dead as in dissolved. Dead as in severely losing clout in the tech industry. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue they would be gone.

Microsoft in the last 10 years has increasingly earned profits from programs other than their OS systems. In fact, most of their profits are earned from corporate contracts, not consumers. Its a market share they buy, not because of superiority of product.

In fact the reason they released WIndows 7 is because of the disappointment of Vista.


Honestly I don't even think Apple cares since they are moving the market away form desktop based system anyway. Ipads are selling like crazy...you can't even order a new Iphone because their servers are overloaded. They are already larger in terms of market value.

Its like having 92% of the horse and buggy market when Ford introduced the Model T. :lol:

But yet, someone else pointed to MACs at the premier graphics design, which will never be done on a tablet. Business sales is what is the driving factor in technology, and because of Active Directory and the standard office package, that is moving away from MS no time soon. Sure the tablet is so cool for the consumer tech gadgetry, Apple has that cornered bar none. Business will never move that way. Workstations and Servers leverage more capital than an Iphone/Pod, and that is still cornered by MS.

Which is funny that people mention Apple for graphic design since they are not the standard anymore since the inception of CUDA and FERMI.

As for where the money is made in MS, that is incorrect as well.
Client (Windows Operating System)
Revenue: $16,865,000,000
Operating Income: $13,052,000,000

Server and Tools (Windows Server, Microsoft SQL Server, Visual Studio)
Revenue: $13,170,000,000
Operating Income: $4,593,000,000

Online Services (Live Search, MSN, Hotmail)
Revenue: $3,214,000,000
Operating income: $-1,233,000,000

Business Division (Office, Project, Visio, Exchange Server, Dynamics)
Revenue: $18,932,000,000
Operating income: $12,358,000,000

Entertainment and Devices (XBox, Zune, Windows Mobile)
Revenue: $8,140,000,000
Operating income: $426,000,000

Both have their place in today, and neither are going anywhere. If you want really fresh, OpenSuse 11.x with KDE 4.4.
 
But yet, someone else pointed to MACs at the premier graphics design, which will never be done on a tablet. Business sales is what is the driving factor in technology, and because of Active Directory and the standard office package, that is moving away from MS no time soon. Sure the tablet is so cool for the consumer tech gadgetry, Apple has that cornered bar none. Business will never move that way. Workstations and Servers leverage more capital than an Iphone/Pod, and that is still cornered by MS.

Nobody ever said business is going the way of the gadget. The point was more towards home users, not business in which most of their money is made off corporate contracts.

Which is funny that people mention Apple for graphic design since they are not the standard anymore since the inception of CUDA and FERMI.

Nobody stated they were a standard. I stated they were the preference over the last 3 decades. And they have been.

As for where the money is made in MS, that is incorrect as well.

No its not.

"While the bulk of Microsoft’s profits derive from corporate contracts, a significant minority of its profits is derived from consumers, and Microsoft is a common name both at home and work."


Products and Service Offerings

Microsoft’s products and service offerings fall into five divisions or business sectors:

* Client (28% of revenue and 45% of net income in FY2009[9][10][11][12][13]): The client segment, accounting for approximately 28% of total revenue, includes sales and marketing expenses for the Windows operating system. 80% of this revenue is from the sale of products with pre-install versions of Windows operating systems.[14] In an effort to strengthen its grip on the PC market, Microsoft launched Windows 7 on October 22, 2009 replacing its disappointing Vista. The release comes three year after the launch of Vista, which frustrated many home users and turned off business customers due to its sluggishness, intrusiveness, and incompatibility with many gadgets. By summer 2009, two-thirds of corporate computers were still running Windows XP. The success of Windows, which accounts for more than half of Microsoft’s profits, is crucial to revive the company’s image and its share in the PC market. Windows 7 is faster, less cluttered, and has new touch-screen features, while keeping Vista’s security and stability; it is an improvement from Vista. [15]

* Server and Tools - Products for IT Professionals (22% of revenue and 16% of net income in FY2009[9][10][11][12][13]): The Server and Tools segment, which accounts for approximately 22% of Microsoft’s revenue, develops and markets software server products, services, and solutions such as Windows Server 2008 and Visual Studio 2008. Approximately 45% of Server and Tools revenue comes from multi-year licensing agreements, 25% through fully packaged product and transactional volume licensing programs, and 10% from licenses sold to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs).[16]

* Business (32% of revenue and 42% of net income in FY2009[9][10][11][12][13]): Microsoft Business Division (“MBD”), accounting for approximately 32% of Microsoft’s revenue, includes the Microsoft Office system (about 90% of MBD revenue) and Microsoft Dynamics business solutions. Approximately 80% of MBD revenue is generated from sales to businesses, the rest being derived from sales to consumers. [17]

* Online Services (5% of revenue and -4% of net income in FY2009[9][10][11][12][13]): The Online Services Business (“OSB”), approximately 5% of Microsoft’s revenue, consists of an on-line advertising platform with offerings for both publishers and advertisers, personal communications services such as email and instant messaging, online information offerings such as Live Search, and the MSN portals and channels around the world.[18] In 2008, this included new releases of Windows Live Search, the Windows Live suite of applications and services, and their MSN Video Service. Revenue comes primarily from online advertising.

* Entertainment and Devices (13% of revenue and 1% of net income in FY2009[9][10][11][12][13]): Approximately 13% of total revenue, Entertainment and Devices is the most high-profile aspect of Microsoft’s expansion, E&D includes the highly successful Xbox and Xbox 360 video game consoles, a large collection of Microsoft-licensed video and computer game titles (including Halo and the Age of Empires series), Windows Mobile and Automotive (operating systems for mobile and car navigation devices), and the Zune mp3 player (designed to compete with Apple's iPod).[19]. "




Software as a Service Threatens Microsoft's Long-Term Business

The growth of SaaS means there is more competition for traditional Microsoft products like Microsoft Office. Browser-based software represented approximately 5 percent of business software revenue in 2005 and, by 2011, 25 percent of new business software will be delivered as SaaS, according to Gartner, Inc. [22] Although shareware, open-source, or low-cost alternative software (like Google (GOOG) Apps, and Open Office by Sun Microsystems ) are still several years away from the security and functionality most businesses need, analysts agree that software will continue to move towards these browser-based models in the long term. Microsoft is taking steps to benefit from this trend itself, starting with the release of a new version of its Microsoft Exchange Server that is available on demand. Furthermore, the next Office suite will be available as On Demand on the internet. [23]

Trends and Forces


Another trend, the shift from client-server to Service-Oriented Architecture (SOA), marks the further and parallel movement of the server industry in the direction of On Demand. Here, the companies that may stand to benefit the most are those with solid bases in the small-to-medium business market, such as Oracle (ORCL). Linux software distributor Red Hat may also benefit significantly, since the resulting restructuring of the software industry could mean a revival of interest in open-source alternatives. Microsoft may have a lot of ground to make up in this area.

Competition

Microsoft's involvement in many different aspects of technology and computing result in competitive pressure from a number of different sources:

* Apple and Oracle: in the world of operating systems, Oracle is a far greater threat to Microsoft than Apple. Despite consumer migration towards Apple desktops and netbooks, especially in the younger generations, Apple is lacking Microsoft's Windows in most corporate environments. (And as for private consumers, Microsoft has enjoyed a kind of synergy with Apple since the release of Windows and Office for Apple.) However, Oracle is a different story and stands poised to challenge Microsoft, both obliquely through its support of Lintel (Linux OS plus Intel processor chips), and directly in replacing Microsoft's developer base with its own improved Linux-based developer platform).

* Google is Microsoft's primary competitors in Internet Services outperforming Microsoft by a wide margin. In an effort to stiffen competition in this field, Microsoft signed a ten-year partnership with Yahoo! in February 2010 to use the Bing search engine on Yahoo's site while Yahoo focuses its internal personnel on a more aggressive sales effort [27]. Under the terms of the revenue-sharing agreement, Yahoo will receive 78% of the search revenue generated from Microsoft's sites during the first 5 years of the agreement and 88% of search revenue generated from Yahoo's sites. This leaves Microsoft with 10% of the search advertising business to Google's 90%[28]. Google also competes with Microsoft through its cloud-computing based software offerings.

* Sony and Nintendo: Microsoft's two primary competitors in the Entertainment sector both have much more history in the industry than the Xbox-touting newcomer does. However, Nintendo's gaming system has no pretensions to the "media center" status that the Xbox and PS3 try for with their integrated HDTV and Blu-Ray technologies. This puts the price of the Wii much lower, but it also removes Nintendo from participation in the bigger race: dominance in the media center, and tech advantage in manufacturing next-generation-graphics player consoles. As for Sony, PS3's prominence and potential recovery remains a very real threat for the Xbox 360. However, Sony's botched launching process significantly reduced introductory momentum and excitement surrounding the PS3, and the prohibitively expensive system may suffer even more if Microsoft delivers on anticipated Xbox price cuts.

Other competitors include SAP (servers), Red Hat (Linux software), Symantec (Internet Security) and Cisco (internet telephony).

In the non-commercial sector, there are significant forces at work which have slowly but importantly been reshaping the character and depth of product offerings which provide viable alternatives to Microsoft products with powerful, free operating systems software, language translators, editors, and utility programs numbering in the thousands, particularly attractive to sophisticated users. These applications are in use by millions of users around the world. See The Free Software Foundation (fsf.org), Debian GNU/Linux (debian.org),and other Linux variants, Vim/Gvim (vim.org), Perl (perl.org), mailers and browsers such as Mozilla (mozilla.org), Opera (opera.com), among many, many others. What their overall impact is on Microsoft is difficult to guage, but their influence on the user community is not inconsequential and will only grow over time.






The point? Overtime their almost monopoly like status will be eroded and has been for 10 years.


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i love this thread, if you like mac, buy mac, if you don't like mac, then dont'

i can sit here and talk about being let down by "trendy" product after "trendy" product by mac and how my 2003 windows computer is still running strong with no virus or slow running

or the phone i have now has lasted twice as long as two i phones....but if u you want to buy into what mac's dishin out, be my guest
 
i love this thread, if you like mac, buy mac, if you don't like mac, then dont'

i can sit here and talk about being let down by "trendy" product after "trendy" product by mac and how my 2003 windows computer is still running strong with no virus or slow running

or the phone i have now has lasted twice as long as two i phones....but if u you want to buy into what mac's dishin out, be my guest

I did...and bought into the hype. I'm so trendy!
 
i can see that, it's ok after using one of mac's systems i am opening a clinic to cure a disease i'm calling "apple brainwash"

Let me guess....you'll snap us out of it by forcing us to fist pump to Tupac?

:dance:
 
Jesus christ, I am a huge electronics nerd, so I am glad I didn't get caught up in this fanboy-ism. I am a fan of Microsoft PCs, but I own a Iphone 3G.

The only thing I wanted to add is a counter to the "locked down" feeling of an iPhone. If you are good enough with gadgets that you notice it is locked down (i personally was not as happy with that as well), JAILBREAK THE DAMN THING.

My iPhone is jailbroken, I do not have to deal with the appstore at all. Hell, I don't even pay for my apps thanks to my jailbreak, but that is a different story. Know of an app that didn't get approved by apple? There is a 99% chance it is available on the jailbroken phones. Hell I even tether with my iPhone (use it as a wireless modem for my laptop).

As for the computer market, no one will ever convince me that an apple computer should even be compared to a windows pc. But thats my opinion, and there is no reason to argue it with people who, respectfully i might add, have their own opinion.

P.S. You can even make it look nicer, this is my screenshot:
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Additonal P.S. My phone is on 3.1.3, and does multitasking.
 
But you did! You bought an IPhone therefore you are a fanboy!! :)

I own a PC, Mac and iPhone so I ge lt he best of then all and can evaluate them all equally.

If you have the 3GS you can jailbreak it with the new OS already. It's quicker and the battery life is much better when multitasking.
 
3G :sad3:

I am actually excited for the iPhone 4 though, but no where near contract end, so I can't upgrade (even with the 6month wave)

Did you check? I am nowhere near contract end and eligible. They bumped up almost everyone.
 
Did you check? I am nowhere near contract end and eligible. They bumped up almost everyone.

Yea this current plan I am on is like 6 months into contract. They offered me the 16gb for $200 (normal upgrade price) + $200 (early upgrade cost) +18 upgrade fee.

So basically AT&T wants $418 for it. Ill have to convince my GF to take the upgrade and swap phones with me lol.
 
Yea this current plan I am on is like 6 months into contract. They offered me the 16gb for $200 (normal upgrade price) + $200 (early upgrade cost) +18 upgrade fee.

So basically AT&T wants $418 for it. Ill have to convince my GF to take the upgrade and swap phones with me lol.

That's awful. I'm around the same time in.

I did that twice with the wife. She had my 3G and will get the 3GS when I get the 4. She doesn't care...it's a free phone to her. LOL
 
^ Tupac made more money dead than alive I think :D

macs are more simple, no one can argue that fact, and linux will never take hold until it gets more simple too. I like some of the front-end guis they have now for stuff like apt and whatnot, but too much relies on command lines for it to be mainstream.

Also no one can argue that as macs market share increases (or user base if you prefer that term) that the virii/malware will increase as well, my only worry is the way apple touts the simplicity, when those virii/malware show up, people are going to have no idea what to do...one of the links I posted up above, the Cnet one I think, talked about how mac users on average lose more money than pc users to phishing scams and such...while I am by no means calling mac users stupid, it does seem like the over-simplicity of the platform is having a negative effect on stuff like common sense. I mean curiosity is human nature, when I talk with a random individual about the iphone or a mac or whatever, average joe doesn't really know anything about his gadget except "its cool, its an iphone, its simple" etc. He doesn't know what kind of actual capabilities it could have, he doesn't know much about the technology inside it, etc. I just feel the world would be slightly better if we stopped trying to simplify things so much. I mean when something goes wrong with my computer, I spend time to fix it myself, hell, just learning how to run linux will take you several months, and it helps my brain in more ways than one, I get better problem solving skills, I learn something new, etc.

This above statement is not a mac vs pc at all, its just a generalization. I think society as a whole is heading towards something like the movie Idiocracy, or like the humans in Wall-E. I am all for technology and easier life and all, but at what cost??
 
Oh, btw, Fermi was a total letdown lol. Don't get me wrong, it's a very powerful card and all, but it definitely isn't the game changing earth shattering new technology that Nvidia led us all to believe it would be o.O
 
Linux can be fun for techies, byt mainstream it wouldneed alot to make it a real competitor.

If you really want linux fun, get on a security distro like backtrack. You will learn a ton and get into some techie mischief.

P.s. Anyone work for att and want to hook me up with an early upgrade?
 
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