gamer2be08
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Im subbed, looks like fun!
think i've got my next madness cycle figured out
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gamer2be08
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What about deca Unreal? You get better results from that?
UnrealMachine
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I am assuming that deca and trenbolone would work on me because the PH Tren stuff certainly did work. However I learned that one of the few things i am very susceptible to, the bane of me, is progestins. They give me an immediate gyno flareup that I can't solve with any mixture of research chems, and they kill even the elevated libido i have when on test.
TheDarkHalf
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That being said....what did you do to get rid of your gyno flareup?
SouthernCharm
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This is what I want to know
gamer2be08
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I think you would have less sides from human grade deca than the PH tren.. You could run your sust and 400-500mg deca, which is a moderate dose. If your worried you could run .25mg caber E3D, which would hold back any prolactin sides and raise your libido. Pills are usually in .5mg dosages. so 1 pill a week would suffice.
UnrealMachine
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The gyno flareup from PH tren was terrible. I hated PH tren so much, progestin gyno felt different than estrogen gyno, it was more localized to my left nipple for one, for 2 it was inflamed like all the time, had an almost burning sensation to it, was horrible. Oya and the tren gave me rubbery erections for weeks, i hate that stuff so much.
I was taking nolva, letrozole, caber, B6 and P5P and the gyno got slightly better like 20%, but it was invincible to all that, just would not go away.
I stopped the Tren and the gyno flareup went away in 1-2 weeks. And my erections came back. **** progestins.
I was taking nolva, letrozole, caber, B6 and P5P and the gyno got slightly better like 20%, but it was invincible to all that, just would not go away.
I stopped the Tren and the gyno flareup went away in 1-2 weeks. And my erections came back. **** progestins.
gamer2be08
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Wow, you must be highly sensitive to progestins. I get nipple puffyness and slight lactation from progestins, but my libido doesn't suffer at all..
HumpTheCook
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tren is a nasty nasty drug... but she definitely has a sweet side.
im lucky i never get gyno, but i get every other possible side from tren lol, but its all worth it, it makes me look goooooooooood. haha
UnrealMachine
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Yeah pretty crazy. The Tren actually worked pretty good for me too. Not as good as SD, but at least as well as Phera. So those are the top 3 PH's that work on me. The other PHs i've tried have all failed to produce detectable gains. The weirdest one is Epi, it's kinda like test, i can feel it working, i get hardness, i get pumps, i get vascularity, it's noticable in the mirror. But first time I ran it 4 weeks, my bench sets were identical to the rep before cycle and at the end of it. My increased calories resulted in gaining a few pounds of flab. My response is pretty ****ed up.
gamer2be08
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Sounds about the same response that I got from m-drol.. I ran test from a questionable domestic UGL. I got boners, pumps, vascularity and signs of slight gyno. It was also so painful I couldnt ever work on legs. gained a few pounds from that. Not sure if im a bad responder to test or it was underdosed...
GnastyMcNasty
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Have you tried Proviron as an anti-gyno agent?
UnrealMachine
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no. I'm gonna be picking up some ADEX for this cycle, but for anti-tren gyno i've pretty much given up. If i ever try a progestin, i dunno if i'll use caber, i have heard that all liquid solutions for caber are bs, that it cannot be suspended in liquid properly. I would rather look into pramipexole, look that stuff up, is pretty promising for anti progestin-gyno.
HumpTheCook
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from my experiences and that of my friends, gyno from progestins is extrememly difficult to control. i have never seen any liquid solutions really work for my friends. part of that i think is due to the relative quality of most of the products out there, i think there is alot of fake **** and poor quality ****.
UnrealMachine
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yeah I agree. My experience with my liquid caber is consistent with it being really underdosed or weak. But anyway, these days i just don't touch progestins. Maybe one day i'll try trenbolone and get prami for it but otherwise i'm sayin no.
Dragon13
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Cycle starts tomorrow right?
Thought I'd post this here, rather than staying with PMs, as it is quite educational and others may benefit from it: Invalid Link Removed
There are no non-responders to test, but "results may vary". Get that BW though, and if you do, I would go ahead and run a better dose of sust. No use low-dosing it based on your preconcieved expectation of no gains if it does turn out to be good.
Thought I'd post this here, rather than staying with PMs, as it is quite educational and others may benefit from it: Invalid Link Removed
There are no non-responders to test, but "results may vary". Get that BW though, and if you do, I would go ahead and run a better dose of sust. No use low-dosing it based on your preconcieved expectation of no gains if it does turn out to be good.
gamer2be08
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Pretty much what I got from that article was I shouldn't use steroids because I had acne in my teen years.. Def wasnt balding though..
Dragon13
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LOL, not quite what I had in mind. Pay more attention to the first half of the article than the last half, and maybe read up on a few of Unreal's old logs for background. Not to belittle the safety recommendations in the article, but that's another topic altogether.
gamer2be08
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So, pretty much the "short" people will have less reaction to anabolics? lol
AND are the likely ones to get cancer and heart failure
crazyfool405
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Unreal when your ready to tear it up again and start lets do what we did last year. Lets make this happen
UnrealMachine
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Dragon I read that article interesting but I don't fit either CAG profile. Growing up I had seemingly high testosterone levels, I stopped growing and started shaving when I was 14 and my acne started then and I still get acne now just not as bad. I was naturally bigger and stronger than average (without doing any kind of exercise lol) and when I started lifting weights I blew up. Started at 170 pounds when I was 15 and with bad diet/training got to 210 when I was 16, been over 200 ever since. Made more gains in that time period than I have in alllll of my cycles lol.
Anyway I am thinking of pushing the start date for the orals back to Monday, want to start fresh at the beginning of the week to keep things simple.
I am pretty ready to get going hardcore though, can't wait. Doing my second shot of sust today.
Anyway I am thinking of pushing the start date for the orals back to Monday, want to start fresh at the beginning of the week to keep things simple.
I am pretty ready to get going hardcore though, can't wait. Doing my second shot of sust today.
GnastyMcNasty
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What is stacking SD and Phera together like?? That seems like it would be sick
UnrealMachine
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Probably better than Tren ace. I only did it for like 2.5 weeks at the very end of my recomp cycle last summer, but every single day of it was absolutely SICK SICK SICK. I was on T3 and recomping so everyday I looked leaner, denser, and more vascular. I was dropping BF, gaining LBM, and slowly but consistently adding strength. I felt like I was made out of ****ing steel, I was pumped and jacked 24/7. Even low carbs, post cardio, first thing in the morning, whatever, I was constantly pumped and jacked. I had NO sides at all. I usually get backpumps from SD/PP but last summer when I stacked them, NEVER got the backpumps. Felt like a God surrounded by insects.
My recomp cycle details and pictures are all here
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GnastyMcNasty
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F*ck yeah.... would you mind me giving me a quick picture of what your diet looked like while you were doing that?? Also, how much cardio were you doing?? And why'd you stop at 2.5 weeks??
TheDarkHalf
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I want to know this as well
madds87
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When i ran sd and phera together it was insane! my pumps were incredible! blood pressure was a little high though. just make sure to take your cycle support supp's. I blew up off of it and stayed lean shoulders were massive. Its an experience that i would only leave for experienced users......
madds87
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Thats awsome you had no sides! i felt so lethargic no matter what i took. I just drank a tone of coffee when i had to work. I was really testy though, grumpy. Im not a grumpy guy either im always laid back. I cant remember what i gained in muscle wise though... it was two yrs ago..... Ill try to fin my log i never posted it on here i wrote it down in a notepad....
UnrealMachine
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Hmm read the link bro i spent a lot of time on those posts
Yep yep no sides and no support supps either. I feel great on this stuff. But kids, don't try this at home, i'm crazy.
HumpTheCook
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yeah i did a SD / PP stack back when they just came out years ago and it was great. my doses were fairly low as i was new to anything hormonal then... but in hindsight i think it felt the same way running dbol and winny together would feel.
GnastyMcNasty
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How does running dbol and winny together feel?
And unreal, I checked out your log, very thorough, but I still have an unanswered question. i understand you were recomping and everything so I am assuming your diet was pretty clean; you said you were taking in 2500-3000 cals a day. Was that a deficit for you??
And unreal, I checked out your log, very thorough, but I still have an unanswered question. i understand you were recomping and everything so I am assuming your diet was pretty clean; you said you were taking in 2500-3000 cals a day. Was that a deficit for you??
UnrealMachine
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I thought i was a bit higher than that but i can't remember. 3000 is more like maintenance, 2500 is definitely a deficit. I suppose the reason I gained 2 pounds instead of losing a decent amount of weight from the cardio and T3 is because SD and PP just make me gain weight. They make me gain weight on maintenance cals, and they make me explode (with muscle and flab) when I'm significantly > maintenance.
I bulk on around 3500 seriously... 4000 i usually gain fat, over 4000 and I am guaranteed to bulk and gain fat and I hate eating that much food.
BTW I pinned sust the 2nd time 1.3mL = 325mg
UnrealMachine
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didn't mean to make this a log but i can't help it when i'm on AM for hours everyday.
It's Saturday and i'm starting the orals on Monday. I've got everthing dialed in to make this epic. My diet will be geared towards a lean bulk for the SD/PP. I'm going to be lifting like crazy, doing a rotating schedule. I'll have 4 workout days:
A: shoulders/legs
B: back
C: chest
D: arms
I'm just going to keep rotating through them and any time I feel too sore to work my target group, I'm going to take a day to do abs and cardio. It should equate to lifting weights 5-6x a week. I expect my recovery to be phenomenal. My diet is looking like 40/30/30, carbs mostly pre-post workout and the next couple meals, transitioning to more fats later in the day. I'm starting at 3300 cals and adjusting from there.
It's Saturday and i'm starting the orals on Monday. I've got everthing dialed in to make this epic. My diet will be geared towards a lean bulk for the SD/PP. I'm going to be lifting like crazy, doing a rotating schedule. I'll have 4 workout days:
A: shoulders/legs
B: back
C: chest
D: arms
I'm just going to keep rotating through them and any time I feel too sore to work my target group, I'm going to take a day to do abs and cardio. It should equate to lifting weights 5-6x a week. I expect my recovery to be phenomenal. My diet is looking like 40/30/30, carbs mostly pre-post workout and the next couple meals, transitioning to more fats later in the day. I'm starting at 3300 cals and adjusting from there.
SouthernCharm
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This sounds awesome. Can't wait to see the progress, Unreal. Good luck to ya and happy eatin and lifting!
TheDarkHalf
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x2! Light weight babyyyyyy..lets dooooo disssss
SouthernCharm
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oh don't forget the taco bell and muscle tech! Then you'll be HYOOOGE!
gamer2be08
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You totally remind me of this one guy who is the worst example of a body builder lol.. He always said that, what you said ^^^^... He was a big guy, but only because of ungodly genetics. he would train in the gym twice a day for about 2 and a half hours each session.. No gear..
HumpTheCook
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i think this is gonna be a good cycle for ya. starting out real lean, your skin is gonna look like its gonna tear and split.
GnastyMcNasty
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subbed. I started my orals this morning (SD, Phera, Hdrol 
) hehe..... pumps are INSANE. unreal what carbs do you eat pre and post workout?
) hehe..... pumps are INSANE. unreal what carbs do you eat pre and post workout?GnastyMcNasty
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And how do you dose your phera throughout the day? 10 mg every 4-5 hours?
UnrealMachine
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I need simple carbs before I workout or else my stomach goes to ****. I eat a bowl of cereal and throw in a scoop of protein powder and sometimes some fruit. I have done this for years haha "honey bunches of oats" doesn't sound like the best thing but I eat first thing when I wake up in the morning when there's no appetite. I have tried doing oatmeal pre-WO and that was a big mistake, doesn't sit properly, same with eggs or meat, just doesn't work. To each his own though.
Post WO i make myself a big shake. Milk, 50g of whey, and some fruit for simple carbs (usually strawberries or bananas).
I never space my doses throughout the day, I dose my orals about the same way I do my carbs, mostly before the workout and in the few hours after the workout. So i'm gonna start with 20SD and 30PP, i'll do 10 SD and 10 PP pre-Workout, 10 PP post workout, and the last cap of SD and PP a few hours later. It also depends on what I'm going to do. If i'm going to go outside and do something physical for a while, I'll dose right before that. Anything with the potential for catabolism, i'll dose. Or if i'm going to eat a lot of food... just depends. But I try to never dose past 4pm or so.
Post WO i make myself a big shake. Milk, 50g of whey, and some fruit for simple carbs (usually strawberries or bananas).
I never space my doses throughout the day, I dose my orals about the same way I do my carbs, mostly before the workout and in the few hours after the workout. So i'm gonna start with 20SD and 30PP, i'll do 10 SD and 10 PP pre-Workout, 10 PP post workout, and the last cap of SD and PP a few hours later. It also depends on what I'm going to do. If i'm going to go outside and do something physical for a while, I'll dose right before that. Anything with the potential for catabolism, i'll dose. Or if i'm going to eat a lot of food...
just depends. But I try to never dose past 4pm or so.fmfws185
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I need simple carbs before I workout or else my stomach goes to ****. I eat a bowl of cereal and throw in a scoop of protein powder and sometimes some fruit. I have done this for years haha "honey bunches of oats" doesn't sound like the best thing but I eat first thing when I wake up in the morning when there's no appetite. I have tried doing oatmeal pre-WO and that was a big mistake, doesn't sit properly, same with eggs or meat, just doesn't work. To each his own though.
Post WO i make myself a big shake. Milk, 50g of whey, and some fruit for simple carbs (usually strawberries or bananas).
I never space my doses throughout the day, I dose my orals about the same way I do my carbs, mostly before the workout and in the few hours after the workout. So i'm gonna start with 20SD and 30PP, i'll do 10 SD and 10 PP pre-Workout, 10 PP post workout, and the last cap of SD and PP a few hours later. It also depends on what I'm going to do. If i'm going to go outside and do something physical for a while, I'll dose right before that. Anything with the potential for catabolism, i'll dose. Or if i'm going to eat a lot of food...
have u ever dosed your orals throught the day?
if so how were the affect compared to pre/post wo
nosnmiveins
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ive tried every method, as i know unreal has. there is no noticeable difference between full dose 1-2 hours pre workout....or splitting the dose throughout the day. personally id forget to dose throughout the day so its easier taking full dose all at once
fmfws185
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taking the full dose at once wouldnt it spike the blood levels higher for that period of time compare to spreading them throughout the day.
ex: test suspesion higher spiked blood level vs test e stable blood levels.
i cant really compare these to test but same idea i guess
UnrealMachine
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yeah i don't think there's any significant long run difference in how you take the pills. People ask me all the time and stress out on it and it's not a big deal.
YOU DON'T NEED STABLE BLOOD LEVELS
Once again... PULSING, once you understand pulsing you'll understand that stable blood levels are unnecessary. People say that if you spike up the levels then sides will be higher, but if you've ever pulsed, you'll understand that sides are lower.
YOU DON'T NEED STABLE BLOOD LEVELS
Once again... PULSING, once you understand pulsing you'll understand that stable blood levels are unnecessary. People say that if you spike up the levels then sides will be higher, but if you've ever pulsed, you'll understand that sides are lower.
fmfws185
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good point about the pulsing.
if taking the full dose at once your body SHOULD synthesis more protein for that period of time that its active in your system right?
UnrealMachine
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yeah
fmfws185
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awesomeness!!!!
GnastyMcNasty
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You eat the fruit after you wake up... so about how soon is that before your workout?