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best test booster for 20 - 22 age group

I'm actually running a log on TestoPro right now if you're interested.

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R1balla said:
everybody has been saying sustain alpha...i havent read all the posts so dont take this the wrong way anybody...i think that product is great IF it is stacked with something else or stand alone as a libido enhancer. nothing more.
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Actually people have posted bloodwork showing that it boosted their total and freetestosterone levels.
 
itzgambino said:
i think im sold on DAA and sustain alpha, b/c of the end of the semeseter and how finals destroyed my routine for a while I just thought it would be better to just stop the TNA and give my body a rest for a while until I start my internship and june so I'll have the cash to load up on DAA and sustain alpha. Thanks alot for everybodys input, I'll try to comment back on this thread later in the summer when I start the cycle.
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Right there with you on the finals bit. I'm 21 and ran 3 months of Prime and AX. Cycled off of AX and stayed on Prime and strength went up, so I'm partial to the fact that AX might be less effective for 20-22. Interesting to note that I finished Prime and finally jumped on the BCAA bandwagon with Xtend strength is holding while I'm losing weight with OEP. Next cycle I'm going to try the new Testforce and SA possibly with Dermacrine or Formadrol.
 
The absolute most advantageous testosterone boosting method at your age, would be heavy training and ample sleep and recuperation. If you just became old enough to purchase alcohol, your endogenous growth hormone and testosterone circulation are near life long highs, and squandering your finances on any OTC so-called testosterone augmenter will only prove to be a short-sighted miserable prospect and endeavor, financially and physically failing to return dividends on your investment.

Some research I uncovered recently while investigating age related decline, which also demonstrates the height of testosterone production resides in men 20-39 years of age, can be found in the abstracts and full texts of Deslypere & Vermeulen, 1984, Simon et al. (1992), Vermeulen et al. (1996), Leifke et al. (2000).

I would strongly advocate purchasing some Whey Isolate, Creatine Monohydrate, and engaging in intense compound multi-joint training movements to enhance and harness your optimal testosterone levels and hormonal hypertrophy potential (and using the planned resources you budgeted to spend by investing in your employer offered 401k).
 
Outstanding said:
The absolute most advantageous testosterone boosting method at your age, would be heavy training and ample sleep and recuperation. If you just became old enough to purchase alcohol, your endogenous growth hormone and testosterone circulation are near life long highs, and squandering your finances on any OTC so-called testosterone augmenter will only prove to be a short-sighted miserable prospect and endeavor, financially and physically failing to return dividends on your investment.

Some research I uncovered recently while investigating age related decline, which also demonstrates the height of testosterone production resides in men 20-39 years of age, can be found in the abstracts and full texts of Deslypere & Vermeulen, 1984, Simon et al. (1992), Vermeulen et al. (1996), Leifke et al. (2000).

I would strongly advocate purchasing some Whey Isolate, Creatine Monohydrate, and engaging in intense compound multi-joint training movements to enhance and harness your optimal testosterone levels and hormonal hypertrophy potential (and using the planned resources you budgeted to spend by investing in your employer offered 401k).
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Oh sh*t, I need to setup my 401k plan...
 
zombiemuscle said:
Oh sh*t, I need to setup my 401k plan...
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See, I give muscle AND money anabolic advice ;) HAHAHA!!!

The earlier the BETTER! There has literally never been a thirty year period of stagnation or continual loss in the US stock exchange/portfolios since the inception of the market. 401(k)s offer an amazing hedge against the unknowns in retirement (and a tax advantage), and although I am still considerably young, I still wish I would have started earlier. A direct deposit will never be missed, and if you have an employer that will match your contributions on a percentage basis, then you're really on the gravy train ;)

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DAA is gaining popularity fast, but it is also one of the least researched products. It could potentially be really bad for you. We just don't know. We do know that it increases prolactin, which would suck if you had a girlfriend. At your age, I would stick to the healthy stuff.
 
kingdong said:
DAA is gaining popularity fast, but it is also one of the least researched products. It could potentially be really bad for you. We just don't know. We do know that it increases prolactin, which would suck if you had a girlfriend. At your age, I would stick to the healthy stuff.
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I don't want to read too much into your post or put words in your mouth, but when you stay stick with 'healthy stuff' are you giving credence to my earlier advice to simply engage in an intense and productive training and nutritional stratagem, avoiding the charity donations purchasing supplements that will not elicit any appreciable gains in size/strength, since he is already firmly situated in the midst of his life's single highest endogenous Testosterone producing phase? Any hormonal modulating nutraceuticals he would entertain administering would be immediately rendered moot and superfluous.
 
HereToStudy said:
I think the sustain alpha + TCF-1 combo would be pretty sick.

You could add Formadrol Extreme, and have quite the Test boosting stack.
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MrBigPR said:
Outstanding is correct.
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About this...

Outstanding said:
I don't want to read too much into your post or put words in your mouth, but when you stay stick with 'healthy stuff' are you giving credence to my earlier advice to simply engage in an intense and productive training and nutritional stratagem, avoiding the charity donations purchasing supplements that will not elicit any appreciable gains in size/strength, since he is already firmly situated in the midst of his life's single highest endogenous Testosterone producing phase? Any hormonal modulating nutraceuticals he would entertain administering would be immediately rendered moot and superfluous.
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Outstanding said:
Any hormonal modulating nutraceuticals he would entertain administering would be immediately rendered moot and superfluous.
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C'mon dude, I understand that at his age he doesn't "need" hormone modulating nutraceuticals (as you call them) test boosters and PH/AAS (as I call them).

He may not "need" them, but for you to say that they would not work on him is false. He will feel a test boost on natty test boosters, and he will feel the hormone increase from PH/AAS. To render these supplements useless for the sake of promoting his phase in life of being the highest in testosterone production is bulls***.

He may not need them. But don't say they wouldn't work on him.

Moot and superflous... HA
 
chocolatemilk said:
C'mon dude, I understand that at his age he doesn't "need" hormone modulating nutraceuticals (as you call them) test boosters and PH/AAS (as I call them).

He may not "need" them, but for you to say that they would not work on him is false. He will feel a test boost on natty test boosters, and he will feel the hormone increase from PH/AAS. To render these supplements useless for the sake of promoting his phase in life of being the highest in testosterone production is bulls***.

He may not need them. But don't say they wouldn't work on him.

Moot and superflous... HA
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You lost me at 'dude.' Why is it you/others feel the need to attack the substantive construct and syntax of my delivery style, and attempt to e-stone me to death interlaced with profanity and such emotionally charged hatred?

You proved my point - he doesn't need them, you repeated that mantra several times throughout your post. I for one, usually don't advise clients or friends to donate their money to supplement companies on products they don't need, but that's just me. Also, regarding the horribly unbalanced cost/benefit ratio that would surely be quickly encountered if the OP did in fact decide to take these magical unicorn anabolic potentiating herbs, even in the thick of his single most hormonally active phase of life, I firmly disagree with your assertion that he would feel a surge in testosterone anywhere near the same universe as justifying his usage and expenditure.

See how I avoided calling you out, engaging in fourth grade playground bullying tactics, and profanity!? It can be done ;)
 
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Outstanding said:
You lost me at 'dude.' Why is it you/others feel the need to attack the substantive construct and syntax of my delivery style, and attempt to e-stone me to death interlaced with profanity and such emotionally charged hatred?

You proved my point - he doesn't need them, you repeated that mantra several times throughout your post. I for one, usually don't advise clients or friends to donate their money to supplement companies on products they don't need, but that's just me. Also, regarding the horribly unbalanced cost/benefit ratio that would surely be quickly encountered if the OP did in fact decide to take these magical unicorn anabolic potentiating herbs, even in the thick of his single most hormonally active phase of life, I firmly disagree with your assertion that he would feel a surge in testosterone anywhere near the same universe as justifying his usage and expenditure.

See how I avoided calling you out, engaging in fourth grade playground bullying tactics, and profanity!? It can be done ;)
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I really must have lost you at dude because you didn't seem to understand what I was saying.. please read beyond dude this time.

Dude, if he got blood tests done his test would be higher on a test booster. No matter what age and considering it is a good product. What you said implies this^^ to be false.

And I'm sorry for laughing but the words moot, and superflous, and you calling test boosters "hormone manipulating neutracuticals" ...but that is some funny s***! I'd rather be a 4th grader with the better argument over Ben Stein fused with David Blaine using some word magic manipulating BS with the wrong argument. Kapeesh?
 
On a more serious note guys, the reality IF its a real endogenous testosterone booster, it should work for most people. Depending on its mechanisms it should usually be beneficial for someone. For example DHEA had recently been touted as a "test booster" which is utterly false since it converts to artifical test and aromatizes at a HIGH rate causing endocrine suppression. My point being is do research and learn what passageways in the body does the supplement work in. Outstanding is a smart person but is not a fan of the "OTC" industry, whether he likes pinning or not is his choice; but with shade OTC companies come shady AAS sources. From constant bloodwork I have seen in person, there are few testosterone boosters that work but there are some. The one thing people also need to understand is that supplementation is not really for muscle buiding purposes rather muscle replenishing purposes, a natty test booster will not add muscle but rather allow you to lose fat while keeping muscle, aka recomping effects.
 
chocolatemilk said:
I really must have lost you at dude because you didn't seem to understand what I was saying.. please read beyond dude this time.

Dude, if he got blood tests done his test would be higher on a test booster. No matter what age and considering it is a good product. What you said implies this^^ to be false.

And I'm sorry for laughing but the words moot, and superflous, and you calling test boosters "hormone manipulating neutracuticals" ...but that is some funny s***! I'd rather be a 4th grader with the better argument over Ben Stein fused with David Blaine using some word magic manipulating BS with the wrong argument. Kapeesh?
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You believe in quite a collection of 'maybes.' I won't exhaust this topic any more than necessary, but aside from your yawn evoking illogical rubbish and pseudo science... a young man in the prime of his natural T-Peak should never spend $1 (or $40+ with what these companies charge for their herbs after all the advertising and various forms of propaganda they finance). Also, if you believe that a fleeting non-significant hypothetical increase in circulating testosterone will somehow invariably manifest anabolism or a favorable shift in body composition - you're entire understanding and aggregated awareness of physiological function is crippled and beyond repair.

Now, be forewarned that whatever drivel you conjure up in response to this post, will be dutifully ignored by me - because I have come across your type many times in the realm of community forums, and I am not impressed, amused, or dissuaded from my irrefutable succession of valid and relevant points regarding the OP squandering his finances on the hormonal modulating nutraceuticals (mmmmm, rolls off the tongue... don't be too jealous, just because some of us graduated seventh grade, no need for you to make your inferiority complex known).
 
andrew732 said:
On a more serious note guys, the reality IF its a real endogenous testosterone booster, it should work for most people. Depending on its mechanisms it should usually be beneficial for someone. For example DHEA had recently been touted as a "test booster" which is utterly false since it converts to artifical test and aromatizes at a HIGH rate causing endocrine suppression. My point being is do research and learn what passageways in the body does the supplement work in. Outstanding is a smart person but is not a fan of the "OTC" industry, whether he likes pinning or not is his choice; but with shade OTC companies come shady AAS sources. From constant bloodwork I have seen in person, there are few testosterone boosters that work but there are some. The one thing people also need to understand is that supplementation is not really for muscle buiding purposes rather muscle replenishing purposes, a natty test booster will not add muscle but rather allow you to lose fat while keeping muscle, aka recomping effects.
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I love pinning... I mean, penning ;)

I cannot disagree with one thing you said. In certain situations and for purpose-specific end results, there are some consumer offerings that have merit.
 
andrew732 said:
On a more serious note guys, the reality IF its a real endogenous testosterone booster, it should work for most people. Depending on its mechanisms it should usually be beneficial for someone. For example DHEA had recently been touted as a "test booster" which is utterly false since it converts to artifical test and aromatizes at a HIGH rate causing endocrine suppression. My point being is do research and learn what passageways in the body does the supplement work in. Outstanding is a smart person but is not a fan of the "OTC" industry, whether he likes pinning or not is his choice; but with shade OTC companies come shady AAS sources. From constant bloodwork I have seen in person, there are few testosterone boosters that work but there are some. The one thing people also need to understand is that supplementation is not really for muscle buiding purposes rather muscle replenishing purposes, a natty test booster will not add muscle but rather allow you to lose fat while keeping muscle, aka recomping effects.
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How do you feel about creatine and its myostatin inhibiting properties? Will it lead to body recomp?
 
Listen outstanding, if you're gonna go, go. But if you have a firm belief about something then that is your word you are defending. Your word is no good if you can't defend it, and if you run from defending it. This just tells me something about your character and your word. They are no good in my eyes.

Conclusion from chocolatemilk:

A 21 year old has enough testosterone to build muscle naturally. However, a test booster WILL still boost their test levels if it is a good product.

If a 21 year old buys a good test booster--they WILL experience an increase in test. And when we are talking about getting our moneys worth..It is money well spent, you know why? Because they paid for their test levels to boost, and boost they did.

They got exactly what they paid for. And when you get exactly what you pay for my friend, that is money well spent.
 
zombiemuscle said:
How do you feel about creatine and its myostatin inhibiting properties? Will it lead to body recomp?
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Yes because it works through the glycoprotein GLUT-4 just as AAS, so its the best supplement for muscle money can buy. As for other properties, other supplements have their place. Creatine is the most effective natural muscle building supplement and helps with poweroutput/endurance.
 
chocolatemilk said:
A 21 year old has enough testosterone to build muscle naturally. However, a test booster WILL still boost their test levels if it is a good product.

If a 21 year old buys a good test booster--they WILL experience an increase in test. And when we are talking about getting our moneys worth..It is money well spent, you know why? Because they paid for their test levels to boost, and boost they did.

They got exactly what they paid for. And when you get exactly what you pay for my friend, that is money well spent.
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This is pretty subjective. This all depends on how much the individual is paying for the product/s and how much the test is actually being raised. I personally i only feel that free test levels are the only thing of intrest to the younger crowd.
 
Frequency said:
This is pretty subjective. This all depends on how much the individual is paying for the product/s and how much the test is actually being raised. I personally i only feel that free test levels are the only thing of intrest to the younger crowd.
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When we are talking about money's worth, it is not subjective at all. If you get what you paid for, you can never say whatever you paid for was not worth the money. This is very simple.

For example:

A 21 year old pays $30 for a test booster that claims to boost T levels by 100. If he uses it and experienced a boost in T levels of 99, then he did not get what he paid for. Therefore, not worth the money.

A 21 year old pays $30 for a test booster that claims only to "boost T levels."
He uses it and experiences a boost in T levels by 1. He got what he paid for--even if it was by 1 it still qualifies as a test boost. Worth the money.
 
chocolatemilk said:
When we are talking about money's worth, it is not subjective at all. If you get what you paid for, you can never say whatever you paid for was not worth the money. This is very simple.

For example:

A 21 year old pays $30 for a test booster that claims to boost T levels by 100. If he uses it and experienced a boost in T levels of 99, then he did not get what he paid for. Therefore, not worth the money.

A 21 year old pays $30 for a test booster that claims only to "boost T levels."
He uses it and experiences a boost in T levels by 1. He got what he paid for--even if it was by 1 it still qualifies as a test boost. Worth the money.
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"Worth" is an individual based opinion but its safe to say that no one would agree that your second example is "worth the money" if those are real possible odds of that product. People buy these products with the hope and assumption that its doing something substantial. If blood test come out on a product showing little to no effect the informed will not be interested in buying the product, even if it meets the non specific claims, because it isnt worth their money.
 
Frequency said:
"Worth" is an individual based opinion but its safe to say that no one would agree that your second example is "worth the money" if those are real possible odds of that product. People buy these products with the hope and assumption that its doing something substantial. If blood test come out on a product showing little to no effect the informed will not be interested in buying the product, even if it meets the non specific claims, because it isnt worth their money.
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You're right in the real world. I'm right in court lol.
 
I don't think anyone your age needs a test booster IMO and if you feel like you do I would suggest getting a full panel done, I know alot of members like the booster and there are alot of novelty test boosters on the market and I got nothing out of any of them except for the old activate but the simplest,cheapest and most effective product you should pick up ( and I'm sure a majority of the educated AMmembers do ) is Zinc, I prefer the citrate of the picolonate form, it's a aromatase as well. I also love Toco-8 as well as Tru-e by now which is a full vitamin E and the one product that I will always use is Magnesium Oil hands down.

BTW the Fleshlight raises your free test buy 10,000% FTW !!!
 
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