Getting Primed for the stage CEO Style with some other nice goodies
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DreamWeaver
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A somewhat distorted sense of it I agree... :fest30:
oufinny
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To go along with one of DWs quotes: True pain is an acquired taste... that we just so happen to think is fun! :smirk:
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
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DreamWeaver
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I love that quote.
Thanks, Pain.. you just learn to love it...
John Smeton
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I know that heavy weights and stressing the muscle to sometimes the extreme maximum are what it takes to grow, however I would not say I enjoy it, just something a person must go though if they want to look a certain way.
Posing for sure hardens you up a bit and helps with conditioning.
Posing for sure hardens you up a bit and helps with conditioning.
DreamWeaver
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Would have to say that I do enjoy it.. I love it!! The feeling of the conquest, the oportunity to use you mind to go where you never thought you could. Lets not forget about the endorphin rush. I fear it yes, but the opportunity to conquer that fear is exhilerating... There are times when my body doesn't respond the way I want it to and at those times I would say I am not having any fun. Most of my workouts are pretty damn good though. Bad workouts are few...
Last night was very good except for Db incline Press. My shoulder is wearing out I guess. The problem is when I do full range of motion I feel like I am not pushing from the right angle. I think my elbow is not staying straight causing me to push at an awkward angle. I am ok if I stay a few incches off my chest but I don't feel I get the full stretch. I am going to switch in up a bit by doing it with the db's touching and that will prevent me from getting the elbow problem. I won't be able to do a lot of weight but it will be better contractions.
Front squats - 260 X 5 X 2 second set was better than the first, as a matter of fact that was the case for every exercise.
db inclime press 95 X 3 damn!! 90 X 5 could not go up to 95
Lat pulldown 170 X 5 X 2
Bent over rows 170 X 5 X 2
Push press 135 X 5 X 2
Decline tri ext 120 X 5 X 2
Straight bar curl 135 X 5 X 2
Seated calf raise 140 X 5 X 2
Weighed in at 210.5 missed my target by .5 lbs but let me tell you that just means I retained more water in my muscle. Today normally would have been a low carb day but I wanted to finish off the skiploading experiment. I would have to say it was a complete success. I am lean and much tighter and bigger too. Skiploading is pretty easy really. I can see why it's consistant, you don't deplete anything, so you never get flat. You flush all the water out by drinking a lot of water, you eat normal carbs (around 200-250) and it keeps the water in the muscle. You don't play with sodium so you don't go flat. I still have some loose skin to deal with but not anywhere near as much as I thought and I have an angle on that. I'm pretty fuggin pleased with how things are going...
DreamWeaver
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Yah now I will try and optimize it a bit. I would have been very happy with that run though if it were my contest prep.
oufinny
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I don't see why you couldn't try it if you are on a cut... I actually am seriously thinking about doing it this weekend starting Saturday night. I would like to see what it would do for me as I finish my Pink Magic.
DreamWeaver
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Well I guess you could but I don't know why one would put himself through that unless for a reason like contest or maybe a photo shoot.
Considering where I am at I was very pleased with what I saw this morning, I remained full and dry. I can just imagine how this will look with the body fat down another 3-4% and tighter skin...
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
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It will be off the hook I bet.
DreamWeaver
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Hope it's a good as what I am imagining...
You will not want to eat it for long that wears off fast when your stomach is screaming for mercy. Then the first 24 hours afterwards your detoxifying ... not pleasant. The thing is though, it works and it's consistent. That's the only good reason for doing it.
MrKleen73
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Well I don't know about that. I bet it squelched ANY desire to have a cheat meal for you...
DreamWeaver
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Yes that desire is long gone. It has made me rethink my regular carb up day however, I have been eating too many fat's and not enough carbs. Now I am thinking Pasta some low fat ice cream for desert followed by a late envening snake of Pancakes and Maple syrup. Throw in a couple protein shakes and I should be good.
oufinny
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How do you think that would work for someone like me DW? That sounds tons more appealing than skiploading to me. I always have a 36 hour carb up on the weekends anyways, I like this format a lot better. Gets rid of the cravings.
DreamWeaver
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Yah there is a lot of difference between a regular refeed and a load. I think it is a good idea to take 500-600 gram day once a week to load up on glycogen and keep the metabolism going. Use nutrient partitioners to get the full benefit. Pancakes and syrup aren't as bad as some things, Pasta is not that bad. This would work very well with a macro cycle.
I used to shun these types of refeeds but they actually make some sense...
DreamWeaver
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Your diet should never have you starving, a little hungry is ok, or if you eat till your almost full and stop and drink some water you will find you have had enough after all. Really hungry usually means something is not right. Eat more just make sure it's clean.
AZMIDLYF
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Army Guy
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just hearing you talk about your pancakes and just puts a twinge in the stomach!!!! I'm not REALLY hungry. Cravings are there from time to time for specific things, but not hunger. :fest30:
oufinny
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I don't get much of that but my two friends OEP and Recreate put an end to those shenanigans.
MrKleen73
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Have you given any though to making this a weekly thing to really nail it down to a science? Like have the weekend carb up, be your carb up? I am contemplating it or maybe every other week once I get below 7%.
DreamWeaver
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yah when your watching a commercial or someone brings up the subject for somethng your craving then I get antsy too.
Cravings are there for a reason though, I never used to believe in cheat days, because I didn't really know how to cheat to it was always so damaging. The answer is right there in front of me, don't mix high glycemic foods with fat!! duh!! Another way to do it is to limit your cheating somewhat by only having a small treat or two. Problem with this is you really don't get the benefit of the carb up.
Yah I have been fortunate that has not happened to me...
Yah OEP is why I have not had cravings I guess, takes the edge off my hunger too.
I just feel it's to obtrusive to overall fat loss at this time. I mean yah it might be ok I am not willing to take the chance I need to cycle my macros and this interferes with my schedule too much. I am too close for that kind of experiment right now. This is my comprimise, do it every 2 weeks and the off week I will carb up 600-700 grams and still be able to do my low carb days. The lower carb ups will contain the same types of foods.
DreamWeaver
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Not too much to report, I kept my muscle fulness for over 24 hours, Just now starting to deflate just a little, hard to say really. I do believe I got leaner. I will weigh in tonight and make a goal for my weight control. I know my target decarbed weight will be 198 -200 (not accounting for any added mass between now and then) I will then carb up to about 205-207 leaving with a 200-202 stage weight once I flush. This is just a guess and I may not have to go this low but certainly no lower than this as I leaned toward the lighter end of the spectrum with my estimate. It's just a better way to view this as I want no suprises at this point.
Cardio continues to be very intensive...
Oh and last night I was freaking rock hard, what a feeling!! I did not do any lifting or stimulate my muscles they just got hard. I am thinking that I may not even have to pump up much back stage, just pose hard. It's wild!!
Cardio continues to be very intensive...
Oh and last night I was freaking rock hard, what a feeling!! I did not do any lifting or stimulate my muscles they just got hard. I am thinking that I may not even have to pump up much back stage, just pose hard. It's wild!!
MrKleen73
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Very nice plan DW, I love that you are leaving me a roadmap to follow, I am already assuming I will only need the 1500 grams max being a little smaller and just as efficient. Being that my show is on a Saturday when I start these practice runs I think I will do the carb up on a Monday or Tuesday. Get myself used to the timing it will take to peak on Saturday for sure.
DreamWeaver
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Just be prepared to use more if needed. You can simply extend it but this leaves less time for flushing but that is an easy adjustment as well. I actually will use 28-30 hours to load as long as I leave myself a full 3 days to flush I should be fine.
MrKleen73
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Yeah that makes sense.
John Smeton
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nice contest prep information in this thread
GoHardOrGoHme
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sounds like u are right on target!
DreamWeaver
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Thanks, yah Kleen and I have been mulling over this loading process. I took the plunge as I'm up first. When Finny linked me and I read it, I had a real epiphany. Both Kleen and I had commented before on how carbed up we were after the show when we pigged out. Then I read this and nothing ever made more sense.
Yah I would have to say that is true. I had hoped to be more ahead of the game but based on my lean body mass number I just went under 7% which is a little better than I thought. Caveat yesterday was a low carb day so my weight may be skewed a bit. I look so much leaner and tight still though.
DreamWeaver
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Last nights workout was stellar. Good power finished all my reps. Considering I have just lost 25 lbs and I am killing the same weights I did last time I did this routine this is pretty remarkable don't you think ?
I haven't missed a beat, the swole kept me strong now this one is doing that as well. I have just strung together the best 3 runs of my life starting last fall.
Front squats 270 X 5 X 2 second set was better
Icline db press db's touching 80's X 5 X 2 yah I am down from 90 but this is a harder exercise I am most pleased with the 80's and this is easier on my shoulder so I can get a better chest workout.
Lat pulldown 170 X 5 X 2 these were easier than the 165 I did last time especially the ......second set
Bent over rows 180 X 5 X 2 crushed
Push press hammered 145 X 5 X 2 not problems easier than the 140 on tuesday.
Decline tri ext 125 X 5 X 2 first one was a bit rough but he second one was much better. See a theme building here?
O bar curl 140 X 5 X 2 good power less trouble than 135 was
Calf raise 160 X 5 X 2
I was concerned I was not going to progress on some of the lifts but that certainly was not case, not only did I progress but I got stronger on every lift for more weight.
Guess this shyte is kickin in!!
Official weigh in .. I was back down to 208 but this is a lot more full looking 208 than before, I look leaner and tighter too. I am a little less inflated than the previous day as it was a low carb day but nowhere near as deflated as I was last week. So even after eating all that crap I lost significant body fat.
I haven't missed a beat, the swole kept me strong now this one is doing that as well. I have just strung together the best 3 runs of my life starting last fall.
Front squats 270 X 5 X 2 second set was better
Icline db press db's touching 80's X 5 X 2 yah I am down from 90 but this is a harder exercise I am most pleased with the 80's and this is easier on my shoulder so I can get a better chest workout.
Lat pulldown 170 X 5 X 2 these were easier than the 165 I did last time especially the ......second set
Bent over rows 180 X 5 X 2 crushed
Push press hammered 145 X 5 X 2 not problems easier than the 140 on tuesday.
Decline tri ext 125 X 5 X 2 first one was a bit rough but he second one was much better. See a theme building here?
O bar curl 140 X 5 X 2 good power less trouble than 135 was
Calf raise 160 X 5 X 2
I was concerned I was not going to progress on some of the lifts but that certainly was not case, not only did I progress but I got stronger on every lift for more weight.
Guess this shyte is kickin in!!
Official weigh in .. I was back down to 208 but this is a lot more full looking 208 than before, I look leaner and tighter too. I am a little less inflated than the previous day as it was a low carb day but nowhere near as deflated as I was last week. So even after eating all that crap I lost significant body fat.
DreamWeaver
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That actually may be the case, I registered for grandmasters, cuz well that's my age group, I run the risk of not having much in the way of competition but I guess it's better than showing up and being overmatched you just never know what you'll run into. If they want me to switch categories I wll...
Oh incidentaly here't the breakdown on the mini carbup
5 pm
4 cups whole wheat pasta (cooked) 150
2 cups low fat ice cream 96
2 tbsp choc syrup 26
2 tbsp strawberry syrup 26
9pm
Pancake mix 1 cup 69
Maple syrup 1/2 cup 106
Total = 473
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
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DreamWeaver
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Welcome Yah there's plenty of life left in this one never too late...
I have mapped out the next routine all sets will be 3-1-2 or 4-1-2 tempo. This is tried and true and has good coverage.
Day 1
Chest Flat Db press drop 1 3X8
Tempo 3-1-2 ss
Incline fly drop 1 3X8
Tempo 3-1-2 ss
Decline press drop 1 3X8
Tempo 3-1-2
Back Extended lat Pressdown 3X8
ss Wd Lat Pulldowns 3X8
ss Reverse pulldowns 3X8
ss Lat shrugs 3X8
Seated row 3X8
Reverse grip bo row 3X8
Day 2
Shoulders reverse flies drop 1 3X8
ss L-lateral raise drop 1 3X8
ss Front raise drop 1 3X8
Arms Incline low pulley ext drop 1 3X8
ss incline alt db curl drop 1 3X8
ss X face extension drop 1 3X8
ss Prone db curl drop 1 3X8
Quads Leg press 3X8
ss Leg extension drop 1 3X8
Hamstrings Leg Curl drop 2 3X8
Calves Stainding Calf drop 2 3X8
MrKleen73
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DW, I know I have found some other stuff on SL but I think one of his big things he mentions is that in that short period the body doesn't realize it has an excess so it doesn't store as fat add on top of that you taking Glycobol and AP with the berberine turning off your fat stores you have effectively skyrocketed your metabolism while basically being impossible for you to gain fat in that short period.
I really like your mini carb up even that isn't so mini though. Will you be trying not to drink many fluids to see if you can hold the dryness?
I really like your mini carb up even that isn't so mini though. Will you be trying not to drink many fluids to see if you can hold the dryness?
John Smeton
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Strong front squats Doug. are you going to parallel or past parallel on them?
DreamWeaver
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Exactly what I experienced about fat gain, I lost fat and quite a bit... it's surreal.
The mini carb did not fill me right up but I drank less water and remained pretty dry. The purpose was to just load glycogen and speed up the metabolism. I had a high day but it had too much fat in it. Mostly I just switched macros. Today is a low day, my body is not going to know what hit it. I'll drop fat quickly.
DreamWeaver
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Just parallel for me, any lower and I'd have to use knee wraps. I no longer go past parallel on any squat, but I go very wide toes pointed outwards so my quads engage much earlier in the lift. Call it an old mans trick :smirk:
DreamWeaver
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It's actually almost impossible to go below parallel with that stance.