The Strongest Natural Testosterone Booster Available? (Blood Work Included)
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Broly
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Hum, using Cialis you mean? But couldn't I go through a more "natural" route like a powerfull natty test booster like this one have shown to be to achive such result? I don't want to think that I'll need such a powerfull drug like this to "correct" an erection problem caused by a steroidal AI
thebigt
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Hum, using Cialis you mean? But couldn't I go through a more "natural" route like a powerfull natty test booster like this one have shown to be to achive such result? I don't want to think that I'll need such a powerfull drug like this to "correct" an erection problem caused by a steroidal AI
believe it or not but as i was researching trt i came upon examples where guy's with low test even when put on test cyp and test levels were raised still were not able to maintain erection for intercourse, they were then put on viagra plus test cyp-moral of the story is testosterone is a major player, but not the only player when it comes to erections. you might look into ycl or hgw as alternatives to prescription ed drugs-if that doesn't work-see a doc!
GMG760
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Hum, using Cialis you mean? But couldn't I go through a more "natural" route like a powerfull natty test booster like this one have shown to be to achive such result? I don't want to think that I'll need such a powerfull drug like this to "correct" an erection problem caused by a steroidal AI
A lot more than test is responsible for your erections bro. It could even be a mental thing... like an underlying problem with your partner or a self confidence thing. A doctor would be the best to answer your question, and I doubt a bodybuilding supplement is going to permanently correct your issue if it hasn't corrected itself after all this time. If I were you I'd drop everything hormonal until I figured out a plan of attack with my doc.
Broly
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Bigt, what's ycl and hgw?
I don't know can I explain this, but it's not that I don't have any erections, I just don't get the amount of them that I was used to get. I can say that I used to get erections pretty frequently, even without thinking much on doing something with a woman, just like when I was my 15/16 y/o, and after using this two products things didn't came bak to the level where I was, and I just get them when when I thought or do something with a woman (it isn't a partner stuff since I'm single). So it's that kind of problem that I'm talking about, wich is something that we call in portuguese "passar de cavalo para burro" (= come from having a horse to have a donkey, if you know what I mean), so it is that kind of help that I'm looking for.
And GMG760, as far as a mental thing, I can say that some of my "crazyest" (not to say most pervert :tongue2
girl friends say that I'm the closest thing to a ninfomaniac that they ever met
Thanks for the replys btw
and sorry if I wasn't expressing myself better :sad6:
thebigt
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Bigt, what's ycl and hgw?
I don't know can I explain this, but it's not that I don't have any erections, I just don't get the amount of them that I was used to get. I can say that I used to get erections pretty frequently, even without thinking much on doing something with a woman, just like when I was my 15/16 y/o, and after using this two products things didn't came bak to the level where I was, and I just get them when when I thought or do something with a woman (it isn't a partner stuff since I'm single). So it's that kind of problem that I'm talking about, wich is something that we call in portuguese "passar de cavalo para burro" (= come from having a horse to have a donkey, if you know what I mean), so it is that kind of help that I'm looking for.
Thanks for the replys btw
yohimbine-it gets a bad rap because many guys have bad reactions to it like anxiety, but for me it works great for increasing blood flow to the penis. hgw- horny goat weed or epimedium extract [icariin] has been claimed to mimic effects of testosterone, and is listed as a p5 inhibitor- the same thing viagra does, only on a much lesser scale-many products include icariin for this reason.
if you decide to try yohimbine, which works very well for me-exercise caution. i would suggest buying 1 gm of it at nutra store and using a scale to measure out a trial dose-it is very cheap to buy in bulk, 1 gram is only $2.50 and will last a long time.
Broly
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Oh! I see! Yohimbine is something that I'd like buy already capped since it's effects may vary from person to person, and I don't like the possibility of overdose it
Btw, why the exercise caution?
Icariin is something more friendly to me to try since it's readly available and is always nice to see "nature" do its wonders
Btw, why the exercise caution?Icariin is something more friendly to me to try since it's readly available and is always nice to see "nature" do its wonders
thebigt
Legend
Oh! I see! Yohimbine is something that I'd like buy already capped since it's effects may vary from person to person, and I don't like the possibility of overdose it
Icariin is something more friendly to me to try since it's readly available and is always nice to see "nature" do its wonders
exercise caution with the yohimbine because some have reported bad sides-it has always treated me well but i wanted you to know the risk is there so take smallest dose to test tolerance.
pm me for more chat- i just realized we are jacking lg's thread.
my apologies to irish and lg-sorry.
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LG Sciences
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A couple of things about the secret AI. We have not had luck yet getting it made, but it is really strong (about on par with Arimidex). That being said, it is proving a bitch to be made.
As for the bioavailability of benzo and UA, it is again a matter of the enzymes, we use similar piperine, luteolin and quercetin to inhibit sulfotransferase and glucoronidase.
As for the bioavailability of benzo and UA, it is again a matter of the enzymes, we use similar piperine, luteolin and quercetin to inhibit sulfotransferase and glucoronidase.
thebigt
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irish said it is ok to take formadrol on an empty stomach, are you ok with that?
russianstar
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I have a few questions to prove exactly how correct these tests are.
Firstly who carried out these tests, i expect a doctors name, and the company.
When were the tests taken?
Why arent there SHGB and estradiol readings, for me this is far more important an indicator for how this worked.
Secondly.. legal gear said..
Compound IC50
Arimidex 8-25nm
Letro 2nm
Butein 375nm
ATD 180nm
LG Secret AI 20nm
6-OXO 430nm
7-MethoxyFlavone 1900nm
3-BETA-3-HYDROXY-URS-12-ENE-28-OIC ACID 3070nm
2-PHENYL-BENZO(H)CHROMEN-4-ONE 70nm
Formestane 800nm
Were these all based on oral readings? Because im sure you are aware some of the compounds have very week oral biovailabilty, so slightly misleading.Ive seen Formestane or 4-OHA at 9,6nm when used as an injection. I cant find your readings in any of my manuals or studies, and im very interested as its something im concentrating on in the gause institute of medicinal sciences, where i am lecturing this summer on spectroscopic and kinetics. So please enlighten me.
For now this is what id like to know.
Kind regards R.S
Firstly who carried out these tests, i expect a doctors name, and the company.
When were the tests taken?
Why arent there SHGB and estradiol readings, for me this is far more important an indicator for how this worked.
Secondly.. legal gear said..
Compound IC50
Arimidex 8-25nm
Letro 2nm
Butein 375nm
ATD 180nm
LG Secret AI 20nm
6-OXO 430nm
7-MethoxyFlavone 1900nm
3-BETA-3-HYDROXY-URS-12-ENE-28-OIC ACID 3070nm
2-PHENYL-BENZO(H)CHROMEN-4-ONE 70nm
Formestane 800nm
Were these all based on oral readings? Because im sure you are aware some of the compounds have very week oral biovailabilty, so slightly misleading.Ive seen Formestane or 4-OHA at 9,6nm when used as an injection. I cant find your readings in any of my manuals or studies, and im very interested as its something im concentrating on in the gause institute of medicinal sciences, where i am lecturing this summer on spectroscopic and kinetics. So please enlighten me.
For now this is what id like to know.
Kind regards R.S
ProteinMurder
Member
Day 6 now,3AM and 2 before bed. Honestly dont feel anything :sad6:
Have taken on empty stomach, no issues.
Have taken on empty stomach, no issues.
hardknock
Well-known member
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A placebo effect is not going to raise test levels.
what do you say about the people that get bwork and have dramatic increases in test levels after taking dtp, dthc, actX, etc?
hardknock
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I would rather the company have extensive test but if not then just run your own test. That is what I did with divinall and found it was surely effective according to the bar and bloodwork vs a placebo ...
LG Sciences
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The IC50 values are almost always in vitro so, yes orally bioavailability is certainly an issue that is ourside of the IC50. Still, it is an interesting list, which is all it's meant to be...
Bioavailability is probably even more important than the IC50, which is why most flavone products don't work. Specifically most of them are excreted via sulfation which seems to be a pretty primary pathway.
Bioavailability is probably even more important than the IC50, which is why most flavone products don't work. Specifically most of them are excreted via sulfation which seems to be a pretty primary pathway.
andrew732
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Well Till then we have exemestane!:smirk:
thebigt
Legend
pp has done good things with the lv delivery, so it can be done.
Resolve
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absolutely. I'm just saying it can be a big barrier to the efficacy of some chemicals - there are definitely ways around that barrier though.
hardknock
Well-known member
Just get the bloodwork during and take the test after and that will place an end to your journey for answers.
FadeIntoBig
New member
Thanks for the info. You prolly guessed what my next question is, heheh.. How do you figure the bioavailability will be on the new one?
Thanks. Bought a couple of bottles and am giving it a shot. I mentioned earlier about trying 5 on / 2 off. Decided against that to give FE a fair shot, so I'll be taking as directed. If I can swing it, I'll run some blood-work at about the 2 or 4 week mark but no promises with my schedule and funds. There's healthy stuff in there if nothing else; pretty impressed just going through the ingredients and doing a little research on them.
ProteinMurder
Member
Does FX take a week or more to kick in? Cause on day 6 of 5 a day I got nothing..... Im not looking for massive body changes, dont get me wrong. I was just after some animal feeling in the gym and maybe some libido. But so far.....
Craigmatthew
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russianstar
Well-known member
Any answers to my questions?
I saw you spoke of oral biovailability, so the list compiled was based upon that, wich i understand, but could you answer my other questions please.
Page 9.
I have a few questions to prove exactly how correct these tests are.
Firstly who carried out these tests, i expect a doctors name, and the company.
When were the tests taken?
Why arent there SHGB and estradiol readings, for me this is far more important an indicator for how this worked.
Thanks in advance R.S
I saw you spoke of oral biovailability, so the list compiled was based upon that, wich i understand, but could you answer my other questions please.
Page 9.
I have a few questions to prove exactly how correct these tests are.
Firstly who carried out these tests, i expect a doctors name, and the company.
When were the tests taken?
Why arent there SHGB and estradiol readings, for me this is far more important an indicator for how this worked.
Thanks in advance R.S
ProteinMurder
Member
No answers to my questions either....:-(
hardknock
Well-known member
I think lg mentions that no shbg test were available ... I believe it was on page 3?
I never seen an answer as to why though. I was interested in seeing them as well on top of knowing a bit about the tester.
I've got a clinician that will run thw works for cheap if I buy the product and provide the person, of course.
I never seen an answer as to why though. I was interested in seeing them as well on top of knowing a bit about the tester.
I've got a clinician that will run thw works for cheap if I buy the product and provide the person, of course.
marco wolf
Member
I didn't double check, but I believe LG said the tests were performed by Qwest.
russianstar
Well-known member
I will wait for confirmation then if thats correct contact them.
Cordeen
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I am on Day 6 of Formadrol Extreme (current formula) at 2caps AM then 2 caps PM. What I have noticed so far is:
- Increased libido and sense of well being for first 5 days but libido going down and irratibility going up on day 6. I am dropping the dosage back to 2 or 3 caps/day today.
- Fuller testicles
- Leaning out around the mid section
- more vascular and harder muscles with smoother feeling skin for some reason. Can be seen in my delts and chest detail.
- an ok pump in the gym but only slight strength increases so far
- cardio endurance has picked up a notch and i think this is in conjunction with the loss of fat
- NO sore joints yet
Maybe I should simply start a log since I babbled so much here.
- Increased libido and sense of well being for first 5 days but libido going down and irratibility going up on day 6. I am dropping the dosage back to 2 or 3 caps/day today.
- Fuller testicles
- Leaning out around the mid section
- more vascular and harder muscles with smoother feeling skin for some reason. Can be seen in my delts and chest detail.
- an ok pump in the gym but only slight strength increases so far
- cardio endurance has picked up a notch and i think this is in conjunction with the loss of fat
- NO sore joints yet
Maybe I should simply start a log since I babbled so much here.
metroba
Legend
So far sounds good. I would love to see a log if you are up for it!
Craigmatthew
Well-known member
Awesome man, will follow along now
Thanks for the review man, and yeah a log would be great
hman85
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WarMachine000
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Anything by Blammo is quality
russianstar
Well-known member
lol bro.
russianstar
Well-known member
bumping who carried out the blood tests please?
Irish Cannon
Legend
What do you mean? Are you asking for the lab or the guy that was tested?
Irish Cannon
Legend
Ah.
Ya, I'm not going to release that. They don't need to be getting badgered with calls or emails from people on here.
Ya, I'm not going to release that. They don't need to be getting badgered with calls or emails from people on here.
Cordeen
Well-known member
How caps of Formadrol "on cycle" are you taking?
russianstar
Well-known member
LOL, i can guarantee you i know them if they are real, if you want me to still trust lg then just pm me. i wont pass the information on. Im interested in knowing if this is legit, because ive never seen blood results written like those on the first page.
Your call.
ProteinMurder
Member
Russians a stand up guy, do it man!
metroba
Legend
Wow Russian. I am surprised by your lack of faith man. I can guarantee those are real.
russianstar
Well-known member
Well faith needs to be proven to ones self in order for it to be strong, at the moment its built upon sand... if i could build it upon the rock mass then i will believe.
Im sure most of you are aware the numbers in the blood test results are higher than many experience when having bloods done while on an anabolic, wich is why im dubious... ive seen 1200ng roughly from somone using a high dose of aromasin, and then having his bloods done within 35 mins of the dose and they came back very high.
I would like to believe this was true, but after having a lot of experience in different areas, its hard to grasp that this provides numbers higher than ive seen on a test-c run.
But im not here to say this is or isnt true, i was merely asking for the oppurtunity to question the evidence youve provided, thats normal i believe?