hardknock
Well-known member
^I was a rep for them, offline, actual rep for about 3 years ...
I quit now though since I am about to operate my own retail business.
They were pretty good overall, just pricey.
overrated/underrated
- Thread starter arnold77
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I quit now though since I am about to operate my own retail business.
They were pretty good overall, just pricey.
hardknock
Well-known member
Iv'e come from the cesspit that is BB.com Forums, and let me just say...WOW:jaw: The fact this thread hasnt degenerated into a bunch of 15 year old kids abusing each other is amazing! This place rocks. Obviously a much higher calibre of trainer over here, or alot of banning:439:
Anyway, thats enough of giving ya'll a big head back to the thread....
Not sure how to take this man, but, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :nervous: thanks?
AK32408
IBE/PHF Rep
All of those sales are from uninformed consumers that believe the claims and a lot of times don't do any further research on supplements. I still have friends that are convinced that MuscleTech is the be all and end all of supplements, even when I try to tell them how it really is, lol.
:dunno:
matthias7
Well-known member
Similar to above.
Great companies/ under-rated:
1. Millenium Sports (at the moment tomorrow it might change)
2. Primordial P.
3. Anabolic Innovations (joint 3rd with USP)
3. USPlabs - my gripe is low stock of USP powders
5. NutraPlanet powders - very underrated indeed
6. IBE - X-Dream is an excellent product
7. CEL - formestane - can make it from NutraPowders (have not done it yet)
8. LG Science - some cool stuff. Important in post-ban anabolics era
9. Controlled labs - Orange Triad is a good product no question
10. APPNUT - I'll be running their stuff later this year. Important in post-ban anabolic era. I've not run their stuff to date though.
Big Products yet to be released
* The big product is USPLabs new muscle cap.
* PP's "Muscle Feeder System". Whats that all about? They are very hush hush.
* AI might hit it off with an adaptogen "remix"
* LG's Natadrol. Okay its released but I'm curious
* APPNUT - expectations for this year chatting to Rosie
Best AM Reps
1. Annobolic Innovations - hands down both in sponsorship and reps. Formidible team
2. USPLabs, Strategic. Mullet hasn't been around for ages.
3. IBE - AK32408 above
4. APPNUT - Rosie single-handedly holds the ship (successfully)
5. Millenium - CTDeuce and BN
6. PP - Eric isn't bad, Trauma has disappeared - actually he hasn't. UKStrength has gone quiet since joining.
7. LG - Irish Cannon! Without Irish things are quiet
8. Axis Labs - earlier in the thread. Never used their product but have in stock
No thrills:
1. NOW
Overrated:
1. International shipment costs of BB - utterly terrible
2. Anything bought within the UK 'cause of the mark up in price. The only exception is PP's stuff. Might due to UKStrength dunno
3. UK customs and tax, cost me $$$
4. Lack of hyper-links in AM sigs
... Better stop whinging!!!!
ax1
Legend
Way Overrated, and im basing this heavily on all their BULL ads they place to brainwash society.
USP Labs
Muscle Tech
gaspari
USP Labs (yeah, twice why not?)
LG Sciences
Muscle Milk
almost everything at GNC that people in my gym talk about
USP Labs
underated and under appreciated (in real life anyways)
MST
anobolic inovations
RPN
Universal
MAN
Thermolife
USP Labs
Muscle Tech
gaspari
USP Labs (yeah, twice why not?)
LG Sciences
Muscle Milk
almost everything at GNC that people in my gym talk about
USP Labs
underated and under appreciated (in real life anyways)
MST
anobolic inovations
RPN
Universal
MAN
Thermolife
GoHardOrGoHme
Board Sponsor
haha ax1 i take it you really dont like USP?
ProteinMurder
Member
Great post mate, I hear you on the International shipping, Its ridiculous!:damnit1:
ax1
Legend
i dont really hate them, i just dont like how the top goes about their business. they have become like musletech alot.
just be honest, and sell the stuff for what it is, not some freaking miracle killer stuff.
they make stuff that works, but their advertisements give the supp industry a bad rep.
the recent thing was OEP, i did it for 3 weeks and it seems like people dont like how i criticize it. they are coming out like its some killer new ephedra, but its really a mild fat burner. get some geranium/caffeine and anything to stimulate the thyroid and you get the same effects, minus the hunger OEP gave me.
plus there is 600 5 star crazy rating on the OEP page that were posted before the product even came out, most make OEP to be some straight miracle. its obvious imo that OEP secret agents went there and posted those high ratings on the products page. what a scam and shame.
AK32408
IBE/PHF Rep
If you would have taken Core ZAP pre-shovel, you could have cleared snow from an entire street with a shovel in the same time it took your neighbors to clear their driveways with a snow blower.
:bandit:
p5sky
Well-known member
Funny, your sig is not hyperlinked yet you complain about it.
ax1
Legend
well, as far as i know they actually have 95% divinal in their products, unlike DS's only 5%. this is the rumor i am not making the claims. you get what you pay for i guess.
seen t-bol blood work logs proving it works well.
ive done dicana with multiple cycles and loved it. expensive but works.
Resolve
The BPS Rep
GoHardOrGoHme
Board Sponsor
Well its good to see that you have your own opinion based on experience. I mean we both agree that MST and Anabolic Innovations are underrated we just disagree on USP which in my opinion is excellent. I mean i think Universal's Animal ads are ridiculous and misleading on how they have this 270-300lb beast saying all he needs is animal pak and flex and he is good to go squat 600lbs for 15 reps. And when it comes to their general advertising, the company itself i feel mirror's muscletech or BSN in putting . I took many of the animal products and personally i feel they pale in comparison to my experiences on USP supps. MAN is another company that i was not impressed with and thermolife all ive tried is their ecdy and it did nothing for me.
Personally, based on my experience, every USP supp i have tried did as it reported. Prime and powerfull busted all my records...and not by 5 or 10lb but more like up to 70lbs(squat) in 10 week period. So do I hype the company? No...i just lay out my results and people interpret it as hype. When i tried OEP, you felt it was a mild fat burner, while i had never felt anything like it and mind u i have tried quite a few.
The fact you have a contrary opinion is just how the cookie crumbles. The only supplement that is guaranteed to affect everyone equally is gear, besides that i dont think ppl can expect similar gains/results on herbal extracts.
Thus the truth behind the saying "to each his own"
Baller Status
New member
Well in my opinion anything with a brand name... All about the Bulks BABY!
Nothing compares: Make your own, only way to know what your really getting.
Nothing compares: Make your own, only way to know what your really getting.
ProteinMurder
Member
GoHardOrGoHme
Board Sponsor
haha but what if it feels like a miracle? I could have sworn when i took 3 scoops of Jack3d that angels from heaven came down and gave me a spot on squat and bench....it was surreal i tell you!
ProteinMurder
Member
Lol, I hear ya mate. I do LOVE my Jacked, especially on an empty stomach, whooooa mumma.
andrew732
Well-known member
Cbol is legit, its got its own nitrate bond...
Resolve
The BPS Rep
matthias7
Well-known member
Exactly - that is what I am complaining about.
hardknock
Well-known member
...
I know all that, however, they are worried about sales period. And. at that game, they are king or at least in the ring with the kings. No one breathing can deny that.
matthias7
Well-known member
Thanks for the tip. I'll retract my complaint.
BB shipping costs, UK taxation on imports and domestic supplements costs gripes still remain. :frustrate:
Wish I could just click a few buttons and they would disappear! Well actually with BB you can, buy Nutra instead :147:
p5sky
Well-known member
I would buy Nutra if they carried the LG products I am waiting for: Postal and Natadrol
CONTROLLED LABS
PROnom 23.... NOM NOM NOM
wedlund6
Active member
i have tried thermolife a few times e-bol so so and over priced.
i love t-bol best tribublus i have ever used and i have used 5 or 6 defferent kinds.
nynone
Member
we have a new product coming out in 4 weeks
where do we fall on the list?
you guys fall in underrated in my opinion. there is only one or two of your products at my local shop, that's it! I know they have white flood, but dont remember the other he stocks.
you guys always fall on my list, if i missed ya in mine, i apologize haha :439:
DGA3
Member
Awesome - I've got an unopened container of Jack3d just waiting to be used.
I think I'll start it this week!
:approve:
GoHardOrGoHme
Board Sponsor
we have a new product coming out in 4 weeks
where do we fall on the list?
Who are you guys again??
Haha i kid, i kid!! I think its pretty well known u guys got some legit products. NO BS just old school basics that work....havent tried purple wrath....need to get me a tub...
rulk22
Well-known member
I think Usp labs is starting to get up there in popularity, recognition. I didnt even KNOW about Primordial Performance untill I joined this forum and after doin much research they've become #1 in my book. Its just a matter of time before Primordial Performance hits it "big time" and starts advertising in the magazines, wich is great. They need to know about this company.
UKStrength
Guest
Cheers for the support mate! I agree, since I've started repping my support for PP is getting spread more 'thinly'. However, AM.com is where it all began for me so I shall make a concerted effort to be on here more often. You know you can always reach me by PM as well
Did you know that our European Stockist 'Predator Nutrition' stock our complete range mate? (link in my signature) They're based in Leeds and have a huge range of international brands (just about every company who's posted on here funnily enough!).
BTW if you're coming to Invalid Link Removed in Birmingham, I'll be repping for Primordial Performance there so make sure you come and say 'hi'!
Oh and my list:
Highly Rated:
1. Applied Nutriceuticals
2. Controlled Labs
3. Olimp
4. RPN
5. IForce Nutrition
Overrated:
1. Maximuscle
2. LA Muscle
3. MuscleTech
4. PhD
5. CNP (Dorian Yates)
wedlund6
Active member
there is no cutting on yates i have never used 1 of his products but he is a god.if he tells you to like it you better
ax1
Legend
we have a new product coming out in 4 weeks
where do we fall on the list?
definitely under-rated, but in no particular order
UKStrength
Guest
Mate, Dorian doesn't even use those products. He doesn't own the company, he just has his name on the bottle so people will buy it.
The whole range is very overpriced for what they are, much better alternatives available.
wedlund6
Active member
SARCASM
CONTROLLED LABS
PROnom 23.... NOM NOM NOM
haha, thanks guys, we appreciate the recognitiondefinitely under-rated, but in no particular order
DreamWeaver
Legend
What about all the people who are getting remarkable results with it. It's ok if you don't like it, but don't assume that everybody who is loving it is somehow brainwashed. I have been in this game for a long time and I can tell you what works for me and what doesn't. I hate it when someone doesn't like something and assumes that it works the same for everybody else. The stuff is miraculous and you are one of the few people that it doesn't work for. Get over it, there's a lot of things that will work well for you but not for others. Herbal products are like that.
Ephedrine, case in point was intollerable for me and did not greatly enhance my fat loss. It works on one level and not a comprehensive product like OEP which works way better for me.
matthias7
Well-known member
Hey UKst ... no probs. Understand PP need you elsewhere, like BB - boy some jobs :dunno: ...
I know about Pred Nutrition. Some PP products are competitively priced at Pred, SA and I think the under oral SA as well. Some PP products are a bit pricy, I think Endomax Amp is. Pred. is the best of the UK suppliers. I've a stock pile of PP stuff. Do need BCAAs so I'll check it out. Pred.'s X-Dreams (IBE) is priced okay at Pred - presume it must sell well.
Got it you still answer PMs ... phew! All the new responsibility, limos, girls and chauffeurs ... though it might have changed you
(you can neg me if you want - thats not an open invite to the board though)
I know about Pred Nutrition. Some PP products are competitively priced at Pred, SA and I think the under oral SA as well. Some PP products are a bit pricy, I think Endomax Amp is. Pred. is the best of the UK suppliers. I've a stock pile of PP stuff. Do need BCAAs so I'll check it out. Pred.'s X-Dreams (IBE) is priced okay at Pred - presume it must sell well.
Got it you still answer PMs ... phew! All the new responsibility, limos, girls and chauffeurs ... though it might have changed you
(you can neg me if you want - thats not an open invite to the board though)
Cheers for the support mate! I agree, since I've started repping my support for PP is getting spread more 'thinly'. However, AM.com is where it all began for me so I shall make a concerted effort to be on here more often. You know you can always reach me by PM as well
matthias7
Well-known member
Thanks if I'm up there, sure will.
thebigt
Legend
oep has been a valuable asset during my ongoing cut, down 14 lbs as of today. i don't respond well to all usplabs products [anabolic pump/jack3d] didn't work for me, but oep has worked damned good. i have 2 days left on my bottle of oep so if weight holds steady that will be 14lbs from 1 bottle-i will call that a success!
nynone
Member
UKStrength
Guest
Hey UKst ... no probs. Understand PP need you elsewhere, like BB - boy some jobs :dunno: ...
I know about Pred Nutrition. Some PP products are competitively priced at Pred, SA and I think the under oral SA as well. Some PP products are a bit pricy, I think Endomax Amp is. Pred. is the best of the UK suppliers. I've a stock pile of PP stuff. Do need BCAAs so I'll check it out. Pred.'s X-Dreams (IBE) is priced okay at Pred - presume it must sell well.
Got it you still answer PMs ... phew! All the new responsibility, limos, girls and chauffeurs ... though it might have changed you
(you can neg me if you want - thats not an open invite to the board though)
yeah Reggie (owner of Pred) is working on bringing the prices down as more and more people get to know the brand in the UK. BodyPower will be an awesome opportunity to get the knowledge of Primordial as a brand out there ;D
Haha, well I've not been upgraded yet, still waiting for that Hummer and hareem of women they promised me...
Lol, neg you, have a rep mate
ax1
Legend
i got over it, chill....im free to speak my mind where its appropriate in this opinion thread.
just my opinion man, i just think its overated. alot of people hate USP labs on all the underground boards, but ive stuck up for you guys in the past a litte (over there). if i stated my opinion over there (where its brutal) i may even say USP is under-rated.
ive gotten much better from other supplements. im judging usp as a whole, not just my oxyelite experience. and i did like recreate enough to re-purchase, but that ALSO is a overrated supplement.
im not saying usp labs doesnt work, i just said overated. just my honest opinion.
oh, and i started OEP again today, after careful thought i took a chance to stack it on the back end of my first h-drol cycle and into my pct. i still have a 40 day supply and i think it can help me. do i still think its overrated? yes.
i know 1 other person who quit oep who is a respectable rep on the boards who quit OEP just like me, and said it was the worst fat loss supplement he ever used. we spoke in private so i cant say who it is.
alot of people who start fat burners make alot of changes on day 1 of the fat burner, which can confuse the customer into thinking the fat burner works when in reality they became motivated to make the other changes required to make fat loss successful. they would have loss fat regardless with or without the OEP, although i do believe OEP DOES aid in some extra fat loss, but mostly motivation from the extra hope buying a fat loss product generates. it also gives motivation in another form, in the case of OEP the increased energy for working out, but i compare OEP exactly to a cheap geranium cap with a cheap caffeine. same feeling (minus the huger i personally got.)
a real winner at a low cost would be a geranium cap, caffeine, and tt-33 (which is proven real now, lol) that is a real sick stack that works without making changes to your normal activities. i know first hand, not that ive done tt-33 yet, but have done thyrocuts/thyrotabs. dicana is a VERY nice option as well with geranium and caffeine.
now, remember, overrated doesnt mean doesnt work. just means overrated/over-hyped. there can be better cheaper options out there that work just as well, if not better.
USP Labs imho is the most over-rated and over-hyped supplement company at Anabolicminds. but they are good enough for me to make purchases with them.
matthias7
Well-known member
PP backtracked on the hareem :frustrate: Swines! So all those avatars of Trauma's are fakes?
Hey and you have to be politially correct in the job "hareem full of women" ... I'll not ask
The thing about Pred. is that some prices are really solid and there's no point buying in the US and you don't have hassle with the taxman (and tax-women). Some have a big markup. Pred's next day delivary is solid.
Thanks for the negs mate
Yeah if I can get to NEC Birmingham - I'll drop by the stall.
Hey and you have to be politially correct in the job "hareem full of women" ... I'll not ask
The thing about Pred. is that some prices are really solid and there's no point buying in the US and you don't have hassle with the taxman (and tax-women). Some have a big markup. Pred's next day delivary is solid.
Thanks for the negs mate
Yeah if I can get to NEC Birmingham - I'll drop by the stall.
yeah Reggie (owner of Pred) is working on bringing the prices down as more and more people get to know the brand in the UK. BodyPower will be an awesome opportunity to get the knowledge of Primordial as a brand out there ;D
Haha, well I've not been upgraded yet, still waiting for that Hummer and hareem of women they promised me...
Lol, neg you, have a rep mate
DreamWeaver
Legend
You seem to have missed my point again... all I am really saying is yes there will be some different responses to different herbs. When your release a supplement you can be assured 15-25 percent of people are not going to react well to it, no matter how good it is. Take Prime.. I get major strength gains on it 70 lbs on my front squats in 4 weeks. Yah I would have added maybe 30 on my own but that leaves 40 more I wouldn't have. Others get nothing from it, while still others react even better than me. As far as OEP is concerned you fall into that small percentage that do not respond to the appetite suppression. Now OEP seems to have very high success rate so for the people who do respond, would not say it's overrated.
I could give you examples of things that some rave about that I get nothing from but that would be obtuse...see where I'm going here. When a supplement is this good, there are only responders and non-responders. You are a non-responder and that's the way it should be presented. Problem is if we keep arguing what's overrated, what's the best the point does not come across and that's where misinformation comes from. The question is so arbitrary is comical. Share your experiences but don't pass judgment.
USP overrated on this board not from my point of view... maybe slightly, from what I hear it's severely underrated most places. I don't pay much attention to that smear methodology. AM is really one of the few places your going to get the actual truth about most supplements. Yah there are exceptions but your going to get more truth out of people who have a positive attitude than those who tend towards negative. You can take that to the bank. Negative people have issues and are usually just trying to stir up shyte using misinformation.
The company I rep for is probably a bit underrated but that is changing fast, things like Testopro and Stoked have a very high positive response rate it seems. AI is on it's way up and I'm glad to be a part of it. Thanks to those who mentioned us in this thread.