jp17815
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Did you hit your fuking head off the bar??
Damn, use a spotter next time.
What's wrong with you?
JP.
Keepin' it Unreal: Sust, Mast, SD-1 Pseudo-Log
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Damn, use a spotter next time.
What's wrong with you?
JP.
cloc
Member
Every one of your post in the link i just posted clearly states you believe more test is better and you come here saying cut doses in half your posts clearly have no merit so end your ignorant post and let Unreal share his results without your wanabe bodybuilding guru comments.
tyler4
Active member
OK, change of subject.
Unreal, I think it would be interesting and worth your while to see what you normal test levels are. Maybe after PCT you could get some bloodwork done?? I know you mentioned this previously, but one theory is that your natural T levels are very high and this would make it hard to disinguish a big difference when running inj. test.
This may be a dumb theory but since we are throwing out ideas I figured I'd toss this one in. Although, I can't account for why you put on fat easy if your natural T levels are on the high end.
Unreal, I think it would be interesting and worth your while to see what you normal test levels are. Maybe after PCT you could get some bloodwork done?? I know you mentioned this previously, but one theory is that your natural T levels are very high and this would make it hard to disinguish a big difference when running inj. test.
This may be a dumb theory but since we are throwing out ideas I figured I'd toss this one in. Although, I can't account for why you put on fat easy if your natural T levels are on the high end.
hman85
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I all fairness i get some points he is trying to say( while not in the best way). Unreal you say that all you want from this cycle is to harden up and gain some strength, but i hear you bitching about the lack of gains....hhhmmmmm Just saying if you don't want gains then thats cool but if you do you do need to do something with the diet. You also have used quite a bit of steroid and ds in a short period of time. He has a point there. I am not saying I agree with anybody. Unreal you have a great physique that is unquestionable, but it seems like you like to say 2 separate things at times. Just my 2 cents and in no way am i bashing anybody just voicing my opinion
UnrealMachine
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Simple, endomorphic bodytype with test levels above average. You are right I should get them tested, I really should be doing lots of bloodwork but price has always been a deterrent. I plan on doing it in the future, hopefully before I cycle again. I am planning on taking a lot of time off before I cycle again but obviously that's not set in stone, lol.
GAINS, let's examine that more closely, I have stated that I'm looking for muscle density and strength. Surely you have lifted weights long enough to know that you can be much stronger even at the same size if you have added density from lots of heavy weightlifting. I feel this is a big part of the reason why ectomorphs are usually so strong for their size, they keep lifting weights and the size doesn't come, but strength and density does. I am the opposite, I gain size far more easily than strength and density. So when I was 16 my arms were over 16.5" but I could only bench 245 pounds for a max. Now i know if i were to cut to the point of having arms that small, I'd still be able to bench more.
Even though I haven't grown a lot in the last year, I have added some density, and some vascularity. I now have calve veins that pop out whenever it gets warm, and my calves are still about the same measurement as over a year ago.. But they are WAY stronger.
So, that's what density is, and that's what I'm trying to achieve. And a good indication of that is strength gains. If i am maintaining bodyweight but I'm on 600mg a week of masteron and 1g a week of testosterone and lifting heavy, I should be able to add that kind of density at a slow rate.
I have tried to be very clear about that from the beginning but hopefully it is clear now. The idea was to hit 230 pounds while on Superdrol and recomp from there using large doses of test and mast (because I knew they would be "weak" on me) to add density and vascularity.
I have learned a lot while doing this, I no longer think more is the answer. 700mg of test didn't do much and while I had a few great workouts on 1+g where I said I felt more, in retrospect there's really no difference. It feels like lifting weights naturally but I can get a slightly better pump, and then there's the side effects (libido, acne, sensitive nips).
As soon as I added a methyl oral i was able to effect the strength increases while leaning out and that was what I expected to do on test and mast... Just they weren't strong enough.
TRAINING, before everybody bashes my diet and training, let me say that I don't make natural gains very fast... AT ALL... I can add muscle only if i add at least as much fat and I do not want that, and I can lose fat but it's hard to do without losing LBM. I am hanging on a delicate balance so in my cycles I really do DEPEND on the compounds to make the difference.
In my experience, the total use of AAS has little bearing on the extent to which it affects me. I've said this a bunch... I am not normal. I don't need big breaks off from the androgens... I run SD, i take 10 weeks off, I run it again, it affects me the same as previously, the same as the time before that, everytime, exactly the same. The stuff about your second use on the compound being less strong is bull****, the fact is you'll always make less gains as your physique approaches a more advanced point.
I lifted for 3 years without taking a week off. When i did, it actually hurt my training. I am really pushing myself to the limits of what I can naturally do here. Try and appreciate that. I can get further if i made my diet 100% perfect but if you know anything about diet you'd realize that it's actually impossible to make it 100% perfect. So i DO depend on the compounds, and I am putting a lot of work into this. I am lifting weights 6 days a week and doing cardio 4 days a week. I spend tons of my time just going to and from the gym and showering off after it.
Why do you think I dropped the masteron? It's not worth it for me to run. I'm starting to feel similarly about the test. It's just really not worth it for me to run. I'm actually thinking about ending it so I can give what's left to my friend because he responds REALLY well to everything he's tried... I'm constantly jealous of him and I tell him so...
Anyway I know it looks like i'm covering my ass by blaming the compounds when I'm not getting the results I want but I truly feel they are not effecting me the way they effect most people. I figured something might happen as I pushed the dose upward, that at some point I would feel something, that things would change. But that just hasn't happened
Bigbuttchicks
Member
Ok guys my apologies I was just having fun. I said some stupid stuff but there was a piece of useful information in there Im sure. Now as for what Tyler said about Unreal's test levels, I have mentioned that to him before. He said to have made EXCELLENT gains naturally. In my experience, the people WHO RESPOND THE BEST TO AAS ARE THE WORST NATURAL GAINERS! every damn time.
I have seen it over and over again. I think the lower test levels you start with, the response to drugs you get. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. I am sure you guys have seen it voer and over as well dudes BLOWING up on 400mg of test for the first time. The best naturals need a ****load to grow.
I have seen it over and over again. I think the lower test levels you start with, the response to drugs you get. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. I am sure you guys have seen it voer and over as well dudes BLOWING up on 400mg of test for the first time. The best naturals need a ****load to grow.
Bigbuttchicks
Member
Maybe tren? Tren sounds perfect for your goals Unreal, nice lean tissue gains,sick strength gains, and should make ya leaner. No need to study the carbon atoms of the anabolic microscopic factor of FINA here, I think you need to
1.Take this ****(the almighty trenbelone) without overthinking it and ditch the masteron and superdrol bogus
2. Reavulate your diet
3.train like a mother****er
In fact, I call you out. I dare you to try that, and please tell me if your not satisfied.
i doubt it
1.Take this ****(the almighty trenbelone) without overthinking it and ditch the masteron and superdrol bogus
2. Reavulate your diet
3.train like a mother****er
In fact, I call you out. I dare you to try that, and please tell me if your not satisfied.
i doubt it
hman85
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Unreal hope my post wasn't taking in a negative way. I think we are all here for the same thing to learn and grow. I feel what you mean. I make hardly any gains naturally but I can blow up fast on some test. Density also is a time thing, muscle maturity and time will help this out too. I also think you should try tren before anything else you CANNOT not gain strength on tren. Forget about the oral kind and what it does inject tren is much better and will most likely not give you gyno like the orals. I know people that have run lots of tren with no gyno and then did the oral tren and got gyno the first weeks.
UnrealMachine
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HERE's MY BOTTOM LINE:
I am 6' .5"
I am 227 pounds
I am 9-10% bodyfat
I am 22 years old
I have been lifting weights around 5 years total
I calculate out to 205.5 pounds of LBM
I naturally got to 240 pounds and 18% bodyfat, which calculates to 197 pounds of LBM. I made most of my gains naturally. Here is a picture from when I was still natural only at 225 pounds, just to give an idea: Invalid Link Removed
Steroids haven't contributed very much and that's too bad. Maybe I have been excessive in using them trying to force changes. That is part of my nature, I am very inquisitive about how my body works, and for a long time I have tried to understand why my response to many drugs is abnormal.
I'm about to graduate and embark on a PhD program so that's why I've mentioned lifting less in the future, or taking a long time off before cycling again, or maybe not cycling again. There will be a few years where I won't have the time to keep this up. What's important is that I've forced my body to adjust to maintaining a huge amount of LBM at lower bodyfat and so this will always be easier to achieve in the future, and even more importantly I am armed with the knowledge to do anything I want with my physique.
OK! I love you guys, there's my bit from the bottom of my heart, maybe steroids aren't for me, but I've gotten to a pretty advanced stage, and overall I've learned a lot and had a lot of fun. To me that's a success in life.
thanks for the apology. you really need to consider what you say before you say it... with the post system you have a lot of time to do so. And if you want to help me out, read the damn log. I'm not trying to grow bigger.
I am 6' .5"
I am 227 pounds
I am 9-10% bodyfat
I am 22 years old
I have been lifting weights around 5 years total
I calculate out to 205.5 pounds of LBM
I naturally got to 240 pounds and 18% bodyfat, which calculates to 197 pounds of LBM. I made most of my gains naturally. Here is a picture from when I was still natural only at 225 pounds, just to give an idea: Invalid Link Removed
Steroids haven't contributed very much and that's too bad. Maybe I have been excessive in using them trying to force changes. That is part of my nature, I am very inquisitive about how my body works, and for a long time I have tried to understand why my response to many drugs is abnormal.
I'm about to graduate and embark on a PhD program so that's why I've mentioned lifting less in the future, or taking a long time off before cycling again, or maybe not cycling again. There will be a few years where I won't have the time to keep this up. What's important is that I've forced my body to adjust to maintaining a huge amount of LBM at lower bodyfat and so this will always be easier to achieve in the future, and even more importantly I am armed with the knowledge to do anything I want with my physique.
OK! I love you guys, there's my bit from the bottom of my heart, maybe steroids aren't for me, but I've gotten to a pretty advanced stage, and overall I've learned a lot and had a lot of fun. To me that's a success in life.
thanks for the apology. you really need to consider what you say before you say it... with the post system you have a lot of time to do so. And if you want to help me out, read the damn log. I'm not trying to grow bigger.
tyler4
Active member
I understand what your saying Unreal. Maybe your just blessed to the point where, like you said, steroids arent needed. I mean, thats a lot to put your body through if it's not worth it. I hope you don't take this wrong, but looking at your old pic, I think you could have gotten to where you are now by staying natty. I mean, you stacked now, but you were not too far off in that old pic (from what I could tell).
I, on the other hand, feel that I would absolutley blow up the eff up on AAS. I have natually low test and the few cycle I have done have blown my natural gains out of the water. I just dont know if I want to eff with my endocrine system much more if my test is already low. I want babies one day! It's a tough call.
BTW-As a guy who know waaaayyy too much about gyno, I'd stay the hell away from tren.
I, on the other hand, feel that I would absolutley blow up the eff up on AAS. I have natually low test and the few cycle I have done have blown my natural gains out of the water. I just dont know if I want to eff with my endocrine system much more if my test is already low. I want babies one day! It's a tough call.
BTW-As a guy who know waaaayyy too much about gyno, I'd stay the hell away from tren.
hman85
Well-known member
Are you referring to orals?
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
I won't take that wrong at all Tyler, i actually agree with you fully, I think if i didn't cycle at all I would have ended up very near this same point anyway. As i've said, most of my cycles amounted to nothing. Most compounds just didn't seem strong enough to DO anything... And you are right it may not really be worth it for me to put my body through so much... I felt like the lack of sides meant my body could handle it and that's why I kept going.
I don't think you should worry too much about messing up your natural test if there isn't much to preserve anyway. And I've always felt that testosterone should return to above baseline levels after a proper PCT. I hear you on gyno though, and that's why I am afraid of Tren. In the future I may try out some things, who knows.
tyler4
Active member
Well, really just progestins. Which are the orals and inj. I just think it's too hard to combat gyno from to different pathways rather than one. Hell, one is hard enough. Just my .02 though.
UnrealMachine
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So what, I get to 197 lbs of LBM eating like 250g of protein a day and now at 205 pounds of LBM i need 500? No dude no i am not eating any more protein. I'm at 350 and it's a pain in the ass, and it's expensive, and people already think I'm crazy eating this much protein.
I appreciate you trying to help but I'm not even trying to bulk, i'm maintaining bodyweight, it's impossible for my protein requirement to be that high as I'm not trying to synthesize vast amounts of LBM.
I already think the amount of protein i eat is borderline unhealthy for my body and I drink water and piss all day long to keep my kidneys flushed... There's no way i'm going to out of the blue increase my consumption by over 50%.
I have no problem controlling estro gyno I just take a few drops of letro a day and it keeps the gyno at bay, I just have sensitive nips all the time but the gyno doens't progress. Protestin gyno is the real problem and that's why I'm afraid of real tren. Each time I tried progestin orals I got gyno that was invincible to everything I threw at it. With all my research chems I was able to slow the gyno down at first but as time went on I couldn't get it to recede and it was still at a painful and puffy state, and pretty visible when my shirt was off.
tyler4
Active member
I agree, raising your pro intake would be kinda silly.
Yea, I have read soo many different views on progestin gyno it's nuts. My conclusion is that I will stay away. I thought I had it figured out until I saw some bloodwork the other day from a guy who had some gyno pop up on him with low E levels. If that was legit, then it debunks my thinking.
Combating gyno from estro conversion is easy. It's the other pathways that muddy the water.
Bigbuttchicks
Member
Unreal-serious question
do you think that using prohormones prior to AAS can hurt how someone responds to AAS? In your case I know you used prohormones prior so thought to throw it out there
do you think that using prohormones prior to AAS can hurt how someone responds to AAS? In your case I know you used prohormones prior so thought to throw it out there
TNASTYII
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man. wth is goin on in here lmao. i stated before, and ill say it again. you might not be responsing because your not using what you think you are. if you got your gear where u told me you were getting your gear, it is underdosed. im not doubting you, we all know you know your body well enough and you know what your doing. im just truely trying to help you out and pass along info
UnrealMachine
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I agree, the oral suspensions of caber are highly suspicious, but I have heard first hand from others that they worked (same source) so I can't be very sure either way. I have read up on prami and it is much more promising but of course with gyno there's no guarantees.
I'll think about tren in the future but as I said i just don't know how much cycling i'm going to do in the near future.
Don't want to mess with insulin, do want to try IGF. Obviously if i had the budget I would have already been stacking in IGF between every cycle but I don't have the budget. I am poor. Again... Maybe in the future.
I am not really concerned with making huge gains right now. I was just trying to solidify my physique and get a bit stronger.
No, i don't think there's any scientific evidence to support this. It would make sense if i responded well to my first PH cycles and the gains declined from there, but the fact is i gained NOTHING on my first PH cycle and played around with them for a while before I found that most of them simply didn't work well for me, while Superdrol and Pheraplex did work.
The most obvious pattern that emerges is that some steroids work well while most others show extremely minimal effects to the point of the gains being practically undetectable. It seems that testosterone falls under the latter category.
Tell that to my raging boner and my sore-ass nipples and the layer of oil that builds up on my face if i don't wash it. I know you are trying to help but this is just like the last time I used different test from a different source.
I already had to put up with all this **** a year ago when I ran test for the first time and the exact same thing happened and I wasn't making any gains. I had to stand on trial and defend myself. I encourage all of you to look in my thread history and check out my thread "Test E kicked with Superdrol" and read the last portion of it. I ran 700mg of test prop a week starting about a month after coming off Superdrol into bunk or underdosed enanthate (no pct) and made gains at a rate barely above natural. It was like natural lifting. It's the same thing happening all over so it will give you guys some perspective to read that thread.
I am tired of defending myself and repeating myself.
crazyfool405
Banned
broski,
Keep up with what your doing, and drop test to 700 as you said no real difference, so why waste it.
As for masteron keep it round 400-600 nothing more is going to do anything. at this point your goals are within reach at this dose, and itll be safe on your body, we all know it takes a pounding. keep training hard and dont let what people sy get to you,
im using the same sust its legit, so all you people saying otherwise is just not true. Keep up your diet its solid,
Cut lifting back to 5 days a week instead of 6, overtraining and killing your CNS isnt going to help i dont care what your on.
do work son. youve got crazys approval with what you do 100%
Keep up with what your doing, and drop test to 700 as you said no real difference, so why waste it.
As for masteron keep it round 400-600 nothing more is going to do anything. at this point your goals are within reach at this dose, and itll be safe on your body, we all know it takes a pounding. keep training hard and dont let what people sy get to you,
im using the same sust its legit, so all you people saying otherwise is just not true. Keep up your diet its solid,
Cut lifting back to 5 days a week instead of 6, overtraining and killing your CNS isnt going to help i dont care what your on.
do work son. youve got crazys approval with what you do 100%
hman85
Well-known member
I agree with that maybe you are just being to hard on your body for strength to come through.I would even say 4 days a week
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
Yeah I appreciate all the help... I think I am just going to end the cycle and the log though. The straw that broke the camel's back is the fact that my left pectoral is strained, it's been two weeks and even doing 135 on bench makes it hurt. I don't know the nature of the injury exactly but today I tried every chest exercise real light and everything makes it hurt. I'm not going to continue a cycle when I can't even lift a major bodypart, plus I'm over the AAS. I'm going to save them so I've got enough for my friend to make a cycle out of it... At least it'll do something for him. I'm honestly over them, don't think they add enough beyond what I can do naturally for it to be worth the money, and they don't compare to the incredible bang I can get from literally 7$ of superdrol. I'll PCT with lots of clomid... I look forward to lifting naturally again, cuz it's pretty much the same but at least I know it's all me.
I'm sorry this couldn't end better. i tried though. I ended up gaining about 10 pounds with about the same bodyfat, so not a complete waste, just about everything came from the Superdrol though.
I'm sorry this couldn't end better. i tried though. I ended up gaining about 10 pounds with about the same bodyfat, so not a complete waste, just about everything came from the Superdrol though.
bigmoe65
Banned
No wonder you have low test levels, your nuts are in your girls purse.Man, even if you do respond less than normal to these compounds, you are still head and shoulders above most people. So consider yourself lucky. You could be like me and have mid/low test, high E, and your GF won't let you even touch gear.
tyler4
Active member
Not hardly.
bezoe
Well-known member
Focus on your health man... that holds precedent.. make sure that pec heals up so you can lift in the future
nosnmiveins
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bigzach1234
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yo i dont understand why u dont just stack orals from now on if thats what works... i mean ive realized test really doesnt do that much other then keep libido up a bit on a cycle... its really not worth the price... hell if i were u.. id just do a couple blast cycles with orals only... u said u like the sd/pplex bridge.. well damn throw in a couple stacks like that every couple months.. say u run 4 cycles of orals per year, use sd stacked or bridged to someother strong compounds in each.. figure u put on between 3 and 5 pounds on each cycle.. thats a good amount of weight and lbm each year.. u know it works... its cheap and effective and u can blast for four weeks or so and then lay off and train naturally the rest of the time!! i dunno im on board right now with the test being over-rated.. im gonna do some heavy oral only stacks in the future,, im looking at a pplex/xtren/epi stack/bridge... as well as a supedrol/tbol/nonmethyl stack very soon.. its less time being on.. more time to maintain and sustain gains, less shutdown, and very very effective to most..... now keep in mind these are bulking cycles.. theres not recomp or cut cycle bull**** here.. these cycles should be used to put on as much mass and strength as possible and thats it.. dont worry about keto, and losing fat on these cycles.. bulk hard during cycles and then cut when your off after you put on some good quality mass..im sure ull gain some fat too.. but when ur off cycle.. u can cut... use clen/t3/dnp/eca/ etc to cut that fat quickly.. i dunno i just think in the long run.. youll save alot of money not buying tons of letro, test,caber, all that ****, and you can do 2 cycles in the time it would take u to finish one and pct.. trust me running superdrol everyday at 20-30mg for 4 weeks with t-bol at 50-60mg for 6 weeks with something like protodrol or xtren ran the whole time or something will yield very similar size gains to a ten week test cycle and superior strength gains.. while adding some nice density and muscle maturity...
how about a sd bridged to pplex cycle like you did in the past expect with x-tren thrown in @ a moderate dose for all 6 weeks...throw in some igf-1.. u could even throw some t3 in there if you feel the need.. but man.. that cycle would be sick.. strength gains threw the roof, lots of mass put on... u might need some hcg during but thats about it.. now your looking at spending about 100$$s on an entire cycle including some torem for pct... im sure u could put on 8 -10 pounds solid mass with that cycle... when your done with pct go on a month cut to lose any extra fat put on during the cycle.. thats about 14weeks total including cycle pct and a cut..
how about a sd bridged to pplex cycle like you did in the past expect with x-tren thrown in @ a moderate dose for all 6 weeks...throw in some igf-1.. u could even throw some t3 in there if you feel the need.. but man.. that cycle would be sick.. strength gains threw the roof, lots of mass put on... u might need some hcg during but thats about it.. now your looking at spending about 100$$s on an entire cycle including some torem for pct... im sure u could put on 8 -10 pounds solid mass with that cycle... when your done with pct go on a month cut to lose any extra fat put on during the cycle.. thats about 14weeks total including cycle pct and a cut..
Cordwood
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make sure your health insurance covers liver transplants
bigzach1234
Active member
liver toxicity is so over-rated with these compounds.. ive gotten blood test all diffrent times during my oral cycles.. and even when im on.. the only thing usually messed up is cholestrol and kidneys..... ppl bridge sd to pplex all the time.. about half the logs on here are doing that.. there are pre-made stacks, like e-pol, nasty mass, omenvol, that have 3 methyls in them, its not gonna kill u to do a coulple oral cycles each year
pplex/epi/xtren is not that bad for your liver.. ive gotten blood tests while on epi(5th week of cycle @50mg), during trenadrol(6th week @ 120mg), and a week after pplex(30-40mg after 5 week cycle)... and my liver values were fine on all of those, now lowering the dose of those and stacking/bridging for 4-6 weeks is not gonna cause u to need a liver transplant.. give me a break..... and the superdrol/oral turinabol combo is not nearly as bad as the sd/pplex stack.. which ppl do everyday without needing liver transplants... unreal doesnt even drink that often from what i read.. im sure being on orals for 18weeks out of the year, with 38 weeks to recover is not gonna make him need a liver transplant.. ive never heard of anyone needing a liver transplant from steroids.. think about pros abusing anadrol, winny and halostein in one cycle at extreme doses for an extended period of time.. this is far far worse then anything unreal would do
hell unreal is doing superdrol and m1t in the same cycle.. if u think thats any worse then any of these stacks u are severely mistaken
pplex/epi/xtren is not that bad for your liver.. ive gotten blood tests while on epi(5th week of cycle @50mg), during trenadrol(6th week @ 120mg), and a week after pplex(30-40mg after 5 week cycle)... and my liver values were fine on all of those, now lowering the dose of those and stacking/bridging for 4-6 weeks is not gonna cause u to need a liver transplant.. give me a break..... and the superdrol/oral turinabol combo is not nearly as bad as the sd/pplex stack.. which ppl do everyday without needing liver transplants... unreal doesnt even drink that often from what i read.. im sure being on orals for 18weeks out of the year, with 38 weeks to recover is not gonna make him need a liver transplant.. ive never heard of anyone needing a liver transplant from steroids.. think about pros abusing anadrol, winny and halostein in one cycle at extreme doses for an extended period of time.. this is far far worse then anything unreal would do
hell unreal is doing superdrol and m1t in the same cycle.. if u think thats any worse then any of these stacks u are severely mistaken
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
i've always preferred injectables but thats jsut me. everyone needs to find what works for them.
UnrealMachine
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Haha, yes i did wait 4 weeks between the SD and M1T but point taken... I am completely of your opinion that the toxicity is generally overstated however I myself haven't gotten so much bloodwork done and so the risk is still there. While some people don't get elevated liver enzyme levels and only minor hits to their cholesterol, others get hit way, way harder by even just 4 week cycles... Not USUALLY but it happens. I tend to think, based on my response, and side effects, that they are not taking much toll at all on my body, the fact that I can still feel totally good on the 7th week of a methyl cycle is enough evidence for me, however there's no proof there and I know I'm still running a calculated risk by downing so many methyls.
I've still got 2.5 bottles of SD, 1.5 bottles of PP, and 4 bottles of Halodrol (whatever good that weak **** will do). I've already reached the same conclusion as you, if i wanted to bulk, I should just do what works, and run either SD bridged into PP or just a hardcore SD & PP stack for as long as I dare. Either way i'm sure to make sick gains... although keeping them is another matter.
Anyway i'm not planning on cycling anything for a while. Gonna do some old fashioned natty lifting.
bezoe
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I'm pretty sure raised triglycerides and LDL's are a direct reflection of impaired liver function... but all in all i agree about the overhype
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
I'm thinking the same thing but knowing that 5 weeks from now i'll be off cycle again makes me so sad. Recomp has been awesome tho - notched up almost 2 belt loops on my waist and had to give half my shirts away to good will cause they're too tight in the shoulders.
neverstop
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I think 10lbs of LBM is a pretty damn good result for someone as advanced as Unreal. I think you aren't far from the stage where pros start dabbling in HGH and slin to get bigger.
Lifting natty is NOT bad anyway, I always appreciate what this "health" thing feels like when i'm off gear. hahahah..... I find I enjoy my cycles more anyway when I only run one or two a year max. Being ON for a long time can get tiring for sure.
sick cycle though, and you're a freaking beast. I know my perspective gets skewed sometimes since most of my friends are pretty big, it's easy to forget that 99% of people don't even lift and look like fat slobs and I bet you are stronger/bigger than 90% of the people in pretty much any gym anywhere. that is a helluva accomplishment. IGF is fun too, much less harmful feeling. just don't get stenlabs, that **** is bunk.
Lifting natty is NOT bad anyway, I always appreciate what this "health" thing feels like when i'm off gear. hahahah..... I find I enjoy my cycles more anyway when I only run one or two a year max. Being ON for a long time can get tiring for sure.
sick cycle though, and you're a freaking beast. I know my perspective gets skewed sometimes since most of my friends are pretty big, it's easy to forget that 99% of people don't even lift and look like fat slobs and I bet you are stronger/bigger than 90% of the people in pretty much any gym anywhere. that is a helluva accomplishment. IGF is fun too, much less harmful feeling. just don't get stenlabs, that **** is bunk.
n8te
Well-known member
I'm impressed by what you've been able to accomplish UM I thought this cycle turned out pretty good - 10lbs w/ pretty much the same bf% is impressive and shows dedication. Even if people review this log and see that you didn't gain a **** ton of size (which I know wasn't your goal) they can still see what hard work and determination get you even if you aren't a hyper responder to the injectables that you've used or most of the PH/DS's for that matter. And if you decide to not run another cycle again that's up to you, I just hope you'll be lurking around the forum to help guys out on their journey's to get their perfect body(one of bein me
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Whatever you decide to do: you get nothing but respect for me big guy.
Also, just wondering what is your PhD going to be in?
) Whatever you decide to do: you get nothing but respect for me big guy.
Also, just wondering what is your PhD going to be in?
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
hey bro - good cycle, good log. Don't be disappointed I think you had a great run.
Jeremy Brown
Member
i have to agree also bro, aside from a slightly tweeked pectoral i think your cycle as a whole was pretty successful. i have no doubt that you will heal up quickly at be back to 100% in no time, and lets not forget that youre up 10 lbs of solid mass!!
suncloud
Well-known member
Unreal, you're way too harsh on yourself. a 10 pound gain with your leanness is an incredible gain, whether its from the SD or anything else. that's the equivalent of me gaining 20 pounds from a cycle (given your level of advancement). i commend you on what you've done, and hope to see that IGF run sometime in the future.
i'm sorry you didn't quite get what you expected out of this, but by no means does that make it a failure in anyone's eyes. in my opinion. jebus, find me another 22 year old with your physique. stand proud my brotha.
regards,
suncloud
i'm sorry you didn't quite get what you expected out of this, but by no means does that make it a failure in anyone's eyes. in my opinion. jebus, find me another 22 year old with your physique. stand proud my brotha.
regards,
suncloud
TheDarkHalf
Well-known member
Can you drop in on this thread and help me out? I'd like to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
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