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Keepin' it Unreal: Sust, Mast, SD-1 Pseudo-Log

UnrealMachine said:
i really dont know my exact measurements, it's awkward to measure on my own, don't have the proper tape, i've tried the string thing but the standard deviation between measurements is too high for me to take them seriously.

When I've done the string measurements in the past it was like 26.something on my quads, 17. something on my calves, 14.something high on my forearms... my chest was almost 46 and my arms have been anywhere from 17.5 to 18.3 depending on my BF level

Haven't measured in a while so i dunno really. Probably not too far off from those numbers though.

My workout today was nice, i'm not exactly gaining but I think with the test at 1g and the t3 at 50mcg I am starting to get exactly what I wanted w/ this cycle, a very slow recomp. I can say that I am looking very solid. Going to get pictures up when my workout partner doesn't flake out on me
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Looking great man. I'm thinking of the test, clen, and t3 stack for my competition run this summer so glad to see it's working for you! Keep it up and I feel you on the workout partner.
 
finally hit a PR today, 285*8 on my bent over rows
 
i completely understand that everyone is different and most people shouldnt be using over 500mg of test...but i didnt respond to epi is well, i gained minimal str and no mass of tren. the only prohormone that was good to me was promagnon and that was my first cycle. i ran my test 500mg and by week 7 i had to up the dose....therefore, i was saying that because ill never start lower than 750. so yes...you just gotta know you and see whats working.
i too have a tolerance for stims even tho i dont even hardly use them. i can drink 2-3 cups of coffee and go to bed Lol
 
What is you exact hand position for width? That's insane either way bro! I love rows, at my strongest I had 245 for like 6 or so! Again, I say my absolute strongest!
 
rows are easier if you hold the bar closer rather than wider. I hold the bar pretty much in-line with my shoulders, that's the strongest pulling position, and the sets are extremely energy-consuming. I have read that your rows should really be in parallel with your bench so mine is just a little behind, so really most people should be able to row 225 no problem.

Most people I see doing rows are not challenging themselves with enough weight... As with one-armed dumbell rows and straight leg deadlifts, you can do tons and tons of weight if you push yourself.

My one workout partner was a flake... i'm pissed at him (stupid bro-drama! lol) but fortunately i have several people I train with. Getting pictures up is a priority for me now.
 
haha...thats why one of my good friends is my training parter....but even still being good friends, i still cannot count on him everytime. sometimes hes just lazy, but mostly bc he works so much and his hours are weird. LOL. hope you find a good partner broski!
 
I can't stand workout partners for the most part. I go through them like socks. I am strict about my training, I like to train at approximately the same time everyday, and I do not like to chit-chat when I'm busting it in the gym. For me, working out with friends has never worked because it gets to be too much of a distraction. I stick with the solo weight-lifting experience.

BEAST
 
Hard to find a good workout partner but when I do have one I make good progress, and I find it preferable in the end, I like having a dependable spotter not just for benching but for SQUATS so i can push myself properly. Beyond that people that train with me tend to make good progress and that's very rewarding.

For the next few weeks i'll train with my old partner and we tear **** up low volume style so the extra talking between sets is OK, i like big resting periods so I can do big weight on my sets. Seriously only did 11 sets today. Felt like I was done after 7.

Here's the progress pictures. Was about 229 pounds today. Let me be honest, I violated my diet pretty seriously during Thanksgiving and was real busy the last week (finals) but now I have the time to eat and train properly and also I want to start doing more cardio.

Upper left is pre-cycle @ 218, right was Day 26 @ 231, below is Day 51 @ 229

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I feel like compared to pre-cycle I've got some more belly flab but I look wider in my lats and certainly more filled out in my shoulders and arms

I should mention that since I've got more time to train now I am considering a 2 week M1T burst where I'll do cardio everyday, lift weights about 6 times a week (hit whatever isn't sore) and increase cals in proportion to what I burn with cardio. Can make some good progress this way, develop some more strength before I try to transition to the "leaning out" portion.
 
Shoulders and arms look great man as do the lats. Your chest also looks thicker and your obliques have grown quite a bit from what I can see which is a really hard thing to do. Looking great brother keep it up man
 
great forward progress...aside from the obvious i have to comment on this...wherdyagetdoseforearms? lol, no really, many people have massive arms and they're often ruined by lagging forearms...not your case; to a degree i understand genetics play a part but it looks like your a chalk person & rarely use the wraps...great work

what brand of m1t are you considering? honestly, this addition would be great imo...harsh, but im a fan...will keep posted
 
Thanks, i don't work my forearms directly at all but as you guessed I don't use gloves or straps so I've got a pretty mean grip I guess

I've got a couple brands of M1T actually. One came from the UK (stealth labz I think) and the other came from a friend (don't know the brand). Probably try 10mg. Toxicity is a problem with M1T but it's more of a problem when people run it at 20-30mg (and in my research I even saw people running it at 40mg). With my own inherently weak response and not being disposed to sides I'm not worried and actually excited because like SD I think M1T will actually be strong enough to affect me properly.
 
yo man nice gains. you def got wider in the lats!

not using straps is key for big forearms. ive never used them, cuz ive never had the reason to i guess. mean grips ftw!

im the same way when i work my sets. i take as long as i need, then hit is heavy and hard again. off cycle, i really never do high volume. i cant do more than 5-6 heavy sets for any muscle group. if i do, im over training, and ill be sore for 3-4+ days. it sucks but like always, ya gotta know your own body!
 
Stellar progress Unreal! I actually tried the change in hand position yesterday. For some reason I have always tried a wide grip with this movement. I did feel a lot more exausting and pumped art the same time. I like the pump I got mor toward the center area of my back and lower traps.

I will continue to do this to try and add some more mass to my lagging areas. Nothing makes you go through plateaus like changing it up!!
 
bigmoe65 said:
Looks like your gear is bunk.
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I don't think so... This is just how I respond. My experience is very comparable to the last time I used test, 700mg a week (from a different source), I was trying to bulk and I gained no weight and very little strength. But my libido was insane, and without my AI i had very sore nips from estrogen, and some acne. This time it's pretty similar... I know i'm on test because my libido is significantly affected, my acne is under control but I have to wash my face a lot, and I need to dose my AI to keep the gyno under control.

None of these things would be occurring on bunk gear. Then there's the fact that I've maintained MUCH more SD gains than if i had simply gotten off SD w/out PCT into bunk gear.

In my last log i also had to go on trial and explain how my gear isn't bunk and how this is simply my response, so I'll do it again. Steroids are weak on me. My first cycle was a bottle of Hdrol and a bottle of Prostanozol, I made absolutely no gains and had trouble telling if it was working. I ran Epi for a month up to 40mg and made no gains, not even 1 rep of strength. I ran Trenadrol at 90mg and noticed absolutely nothing.
Superdrol, Phera, and Tren are the only steroids I've tried that have actually imparted significant gains in mass and strength. With the exception of the Tren (i am susceptible to progestin sides) I seem to experience very few side effects... On SD @ 30 or PP @ 50 the most significant side I get is backpumps, and even then it's only occasionally, and only because I'm too lazy to dose my taurine.

That is why I love Superdrol... A lot of people say it's too strong but for me it's amazing because it actually works... This is why I'm excited about M1T, i anticipate excellent gains and no sides.

I don't know why I am so abnormal. It seems to be that people who respond best to steroids are those who have made the least natural gains. My natural gains were excellent. I started lifting weights when I was 15 at 170 pounds... When I was 16 I was 210, my arms were about 16.5" and I could bench about 250... This was done for the most part with extremely poor diet and training... When I started lifting weights again a few years ago I realized that I had maintained almost all of my strength from high school and it took me about 9 months to naturally get up to 240 pounds with a 325 bench and 18" arms (although I did have high BF). I've been using PH's for the last 2 years and they've contributed almost nothing to my LBM, half of them haven't even worked on me.

That's my story. And I'm not going to defend myself about having bunk gear any longer, I've done so in the past and I'm tired of it. This is how I am.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I don't think so... This is just how I respond. My experience is very comparable to the last time I used test, 700mg a week (from a different source), I was trying to bulk and I gained no weight and very little strength. But my libido was insane, and without my AI i had very sore nips from estrogen, and some acne. This time it's pretty similar... I know i'm on test because my libido is significantly affected, my acne is under control but I have to wash my face a lot, and I need to dose my AI to keep the gyno under control.

None of these things would be occurring on bunk gear. Then there's the fact that I've maintained MUCH more SD gains than if i had simply gotten off SD w/out PCT into bunk gear.

In my last log i also had to go on trial and explain how my gear isn't bunk and how this is simply my response, so I'll do it again. Steroids are weak on me. My first cycle was a bottle of Hdrol and a bottle of Prostanozol, I made absolutely no gains and had trouble telling if it was working. I ran Epi for a month up to 40mg and made no gains, not even 1 rep of strength. I ran Trenadrol at 90mg and noticed absolutely nothing.
Superdrol, Phera, and Tren are the only steroids I've tried that have actually imparted significant gains in mass and strength. With the exception of the Tren (i am susceptible to progestin sides) I seem to experience very few side effects... On SD @ 30 or PP @ 50 the most significant side I get is backpumps, and even then it's only occasionally, and only because I'm too lazy to dose my taurine.

That is why I love Superdrol... A lot of people say it's too strong but for me it's amazing because it actually works... This is why I'm excited about M1T, i anticipate excellent gains and no sides.

I don't know why I am so abnormal. It seems to be that people who respond best to steroids are those who have made the least natural gains. My natural gains were excellent. I started lifting weights when I was 15 at 170 pounds... When I was 16 I was 210, my arms were about 16.5" and I could bench about 250... This was done for the most part with extremely poor diet and training... When I started lifting weights again a few years ago I realized that I had maintained almost all of my strength from high school and it took me about 9 months to naturally get up to 240 pounds with a 325 bench and 18" arms (although I did have high BF). I've been using PH's for the last 2 years and they've contributed almost nothing to my LBM, half of them haven't even worked on me.

That's my story. And I'm not going to defend myself about having bunk gear any longer, I've done so in the past and I'm tired of it. This is how I am.
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It was a joke man. We need a font for sarcasm and you should know Im the most sarcastic one around here. I agree with you on gaining using steroids, I have a hard time putting on the weight but I could gain an easy 10 pounds using 250 mgs of test a week. I have done it. I just dont use anymore. Looking solid man.
 
I respond very similar as you to test i have run up close to 2g a week for nearly 7 months with no dramatic weight gain only sides i dont understand how so many people say its king for size and strength at least not for all of us. I always respond well to superdrol rapid weight gains not much for strength for me at least, but unlike you i do respond well to epi specifically spawn i gained roughly 30lbs in a month of course much was water and some fat i gained roughly 13lbs of lbm just sharing my exp. Looking good bro maybe some additional carbs would help you out in gaining at least on your workout days, i wouldnt worry about to much fat gain you are very lean and i dont see why you would worry about a lil fat gain in addition to some new mass!
 
Not responding to 2g sucks man... But i'm actually glad to hear that I'm not alone because i was told repeatedly that everyone responds to test, that my gear is bunk, that i'm not eating enough, all kinds of ****. But just like you, test is very weak for me. I wish Epi worked for me but really it's just SD and Pheraplex, those two are good for me, when I stacked them over summer it was so sick.

about adding some carbs, yeah right now i just got back from doing cardio and I'm going to throw in a lot more cardio to compensate for some calorie increases.

I am lean but to me it's not that lean, I was real lean over summer, I wish I could look like that year round:
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Oh i'm much stronger now and I haven't had to go to the gym twice a day but I like what I attained over summer and it's hard to let it go.
 
Sheesh you were really damn lean...you look so much thickner now though. :yup:
 
ya u were ripped up but its winter bro take advantage and add some quility mass not everyone can do that without adding a little extra you should be happy wit ur current bf levels they are deff in a range 90% of members here would kill to stay in of course 90% members dont have dedication to stay on strict diet such as your self. After reading your log and seeing your diet im going to try and adopt similar diet because i tend to gain fat easily when bulking and lose muscle easy when cutting so i need a more recomp type diet see if i can make it work. Im going to be utilizing some peptides and insulin to gain instead of aas for a while and see how that works out.
 
not responding to 2g's of test a week? damn...seriously that HAD to be bunk.

unreal i might be mistakin, but i think i heard from someone else that the place u ordered ur gear from could be bunk....i cant remember tho....so dont hold me to it. o yea now i remember! the dude said it was underdosed. thats what it was haha. so up the dose broski
up the dose and hit that m1t? sounds solid to me. im guessing your saying that you use the real sd and not mdrol correct? i never got to try the real SD, but mdrol made me feel like i was dying
all this talk about test...i miss stickin myself in the leg :C LOL
 
TNASTYII said:
not responding to 2g's of test a week? damn...seriously that HAD to be bunk.

unreal i might be mistakin, but i think i heard from someone else that the place u ordered ur gear from could be bunk....i cant remember tho....so dont hold me to it. o yea now i remember! the dude said it was underdosed. thats what it was haha. so up the dose broski
up the dose and hit that m1t? sounds solid to me. im guessing your saying that you use the real sd and not mdrol correct? i never got to try the real SD, but mdrol made me feel like i was dying
all this talk about test...i miss stickin myself in the leg :C LOL
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u must not have a clue where he got his gear, and dont PM me about it. the gear is 1000% good to go.
 
TNASTYII said:
not responding to 2g's of test a week? damn...seriously that HAD to be bunk.

unreal i might be mistakin, but i think i heard from someone else that the place u ordered ur gear from could be bunk....i cant remember tho....so dont hold me to it. o yea now i remember! the dude said it was underdosed. thats what it was haha. so up the dose broski
up the dose and hit that m1t? sounds solid to me. im guessing your saying that you use the real sd and not mdrol correct? i never got to try the real SD, but mdrol made me feel like i was dying
all this talk about test...i miss stickin myself in the leg :C LOL
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pharmaceutical test just dont respond well to test i get all other effects my bodyhair was out of control my libido was up and down like crazy i deff had alpha male feeling and alot of aggression and i was strong but weight gain is not what i would consider king of mass not even close. My bp was high entire run due to some water retention i hab been holding since begining of cycle i began getting serious heart arrhythmia's and times where my heart wouldnt stop pounding for very long time frames so thats when i decided i was done with aas i know i didnt cycle right and was being ignorant but it is what it is
and no it wasnt my diet i may have reached a high point from first 4 weeks of cycle and my receptors were just downgrading to the high doses but i deff dont fell like i respond well at all
 
UnrealMachine said:
Thanksgiving and was real busy the last week (finals) but now I have the time to eat and train properly and also I want to start doing more cardio.
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Ah, finals. I feel your pain bro. It'll feel good to be able to concentrate on lifting. Looking jacked, btw.
 
nosnmiveins said:
u must not have a clue where he got his gear, and dont PM me about it. the gear is 1000% good to go.
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i dont need to pm you about it lol.....its good to go, but i heard it was underdosed. ok? im just trying to help out.

hows the cycle going unreal?
 
Well for the 4th week in a row i hit approximately the same #s on bench but this time I strained my left pec doing it... every other lift seems stagnant... I am strong, recovery and hardness are good, but as with Epi the gains just aren't coming. I knew 700mg hardly did anything but i figured i'd get something better when i passed 1g but though I feel great, and solid, I'm not making gains much faster than a natural rate (VERY SLOW)

Anyway, readers, the more cycles you run the more you come to learn about your body and how you react to different steroids, and you learn better ways to employ them together to elicit the desired effects. Most people can run 500mg of test a week for 3 months with an oral kickstart and put on 15-20 pounds. I just seem to keep learning that steroids are weak for me and that I need doses and durations that are excessive for most people.

Anyway... I'm going off the deep end now, I've pushed at my limits enough to see that they are very far away and I'm starting my M1T right now. Starting at 10mg. I'll let everyone know how it goes.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Well for the 4th week in a row i hit approximately the same #s on bench but this time I strained my left pec doing it... every other lift seems stagnant... I am strong, recovery and hardness are good, but as with Epi the gains just aren't coming. I knew 700mg hardly did anything but i figured i'd get something better when i passed 1g but though I feel great, and solid, I'm not making gains much faster than a natural rate (VERY SLOW)

Anyway, readers, the more cycles you run the more you come to learn about your body and how you react to different steroids, and you learn better ways to employ them together to elicit the desired effects. Most people can run 500mg of test a week for 3 months with an oral kickstart and put on 15-20 pounds. I just seem to keep learning that steroids are weak for me and that I need doses and durations that are excessive for most people.

Anyway... I'm going off the deep end now, I've pushed at my limits enough to see that they are very far away and I'm starting my M1T right now. Starting at 10mg. I'll let everyone know how it goes.
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Your not eating enough cals to gain at a good rate anyways. Even if you don't have carbs on certain days you still need to be above maintenance to keep gaining, and then once you gain you have to up them again to compensate for gains. Your obviously carb sensitive so up your good fats and protein and you WILL make gains. It is pure energy and expenditure calculations.
 
I'm trying to gain strength, not weight. The point of the cycle is to add density... That's why I chose a high dose of masteron.

Most people who eat maintenance cals going to the gym 7x a week minimum w/ carb cycling and 1g test with 600mg of mast are going to get stronger.
I don't.
Hence, M1T.
 
nice progress man, maybe it's just me but I'd say you actually lost bf since pre cycle. chest looks more striated.

I think the M1T cycle would be interesting toward the end of your cycle now. I bet you put on at least a 1lb or 2 of muscle. I think there is some good synergy with methyl orals and inject test, when I even take a moderate dose of test in my methyl oral cycles I have a MUCH better feeling the whole time, less lethargy, better hunger, better mood, etc. I'll always take some low dose test with my methyl oral cycles from now on. I bet that will help with M1T sides quite a bit.

I think one reason for your lower gains too is that you are clearly a pretty advanced lifter. Gains just taper off as you get more ripped, which is a good problem to have, hahaha. time to hit the GH, slin and IGF!! hahaha
 
basically some steroids work on me enough to impart gains and others just give some weak effects. from a biochem point of view i don't understand it.

Anyway i'm pretty sure M1T will work, it seems only the most potent orals do.

extra comment:
if you plot concentration of test as a function of the cycle day (x-axis) then you will see several areas where the derivative is zero and several where it's nonzero (weeks 1-4 and 6/7). I have to say that I think i notice it more when there's a nonzero derivative... I.E. when concentration is building up in response to the dose, i feel it more, as soon as it levels out, don't notice it so much.
Last week, when i commented on "feeling it" more, i really did, i "felt it" moreso than now.
 
Hey UnrealMachine,
I have read through your logs since the beginning. I have some stuff I would like to comment on so please dont take it disrespectfully.
You seems to be practicly a mad scientist when it comes to hormones I admit that. But I think the problem isn't in the drugs, maybe it is in your training or diet. I see every post says that you have a bulker and a cutter and you seemed very worried about bodyfat.When I see things like this that you say,
" Pretty much the intention of this cycle is to solidify my physique @ a low bodyfat, adding definition & strength"
DUDE WTF KIND OF A GOAL IS THAT? SOLIDIFY YOUR PHYSIQUE? ADDING DEFINITION AND STRENGTH? IM SURE THAT IS REAL EFFECTIVE TO TRY AND DO AT THE SAME TIME.
When I read your posts saying stuff like that I can tell you you need to back off for a second,get out a piece of paper and start rethinking your goals.

I TRULY believe from what I have read by Dante Trudel from DC that food is your best anabolic. DC's articles made me change the way I look at things as far as bodybuilding goes.
I bet if you dropped all the **** your on, maybe bumped the test down to 400 even!,changed your diet and were NOT afraid of getting a little smooth but pounded down the food, you could take your physique to the next level. I think your problem is food not your "****ty response to AAS" that you think you have man. Hey, your goal may be to stay lean year round I don't know your goals, but if it is pure size your after than I think you need to do as said above. If it is not your goal, than I wasted alot of time in this post.
I like giving info to others that could help them so maybe you should look in the mirror and evaluate your trianing because it doesnt seem to be working
 
OOPPPS I JUST READ
"I'm trying to gain strength, not weight. The point of the cycle is to add density... That's why I chose a high dose of masteron.

Most people who eat maintenance cals going to the gym 7x a week minimum w/ carb cycling and 1g test with 600mg of mast are going to get stronger.
I don't.
Hence, M1T. "
My bad lol I gues your goal isnt what I thought. Anywyas what I said could help other people then I guess. My bad man.
 
One last thing too. I AGREE WITH YOU EXACTLY about people who gain the easiest naturally, have the ****tiest response to gear. I have seen IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. People with naturally hight test levels probly like yourself dont get a kick out of test as much as others. I see geeks like me who could turn into a monster probly on 400mg of test, yet couldnot make gains to save his life naturally lol
just one of my theories
 
yeah i can see you are trying to help but as mentioned... I really don't want to get bigger, not anymore. I'm at the point where i eat all day long, I drink water and piss all day long, my running is crap compared to what it would be if i were sub 200... I get sweaty hot just from walking in sixty-something degree weather. I stand out in a crowd, my shirts don't fit, my pants don't fit... Being big is overrated. The sweating part is probably the worst, almost any physical exertion causes me to overheat and start sweating immediately.

I know i could push my physique much further if i ate over 4k calories and allowed fat gain, i was about to do that, but I think back and I was much, much happier with my physique over summer when i was 210-215 pounds and sporting like 7-8% BF.

The compounds I chose were supposed to add strength while facilitating a slow recomp. I knew not to expect much from them, so I originally planned on high doses. I should not complain so much, I am having great gym sessions still, even if the strength gains are coming at a natural rate... I lifted natty for a while and even then I loved lifting weights, it's something I'll always love.

My disappointment stems from being jealous of everybody who responds so well, you guys who can take 400mg of test and just start gaining weight as it kicks in. I expected more from the masteron too, getting more cramps than usual is the main thing I notice... muscle hardness is good, better than natural, but I guess my bodyfat isn't low enough for me to be able to see any difference. And then I thought 600mg would be enough to help with strength gains. When I get results like this, I realize my cost/benefit ratio here sucks... It's not worth it for me to keep using steroids like this.

I am a mad scientist though, i will extract what I can from this cycle... At least the injectables serve as a good base to preserve gains made with orals.
 
Some AAS work for you and most dont. You still have a lot to try that might have more dramatic effects. Anadrol is something i think will work well. Its said to promote weight gain through pathways other than the AR (which doesnt seem to be effective for you).
 
Day 55, 228 lbs (+10)

i called this a pseudo log but as long as i change things i feel more need to update

let's recap on my mad scientist ****:
1050mg sustanon EW
600mg masteron enanthate EW
50mcg T3 ED
Started 10mg M1T ED

Looks crazy but so long as I wash my face and use an AI there's no sides so far.

My WO today was short but i'm going to list it because to give an idea for where i'm at

Back
bent over rows: 135*8, 225*8, 275*8*3
t-bar rows (machine w/ plates not freeweight): 180*6, 190*6, 200*6, 210*6
d-ring lat pulldowns: 260*8, 280*8, 300*6 followed by a finisher of 7 wussy pullups.
Last time i did pullups fresh i hit 18, so i killed my lats pretty quickly

It's a few reps better than when i started anyway

hman85 said:
If you want strength tren is where its at!
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was close to getting tren ace but my experience with progestins is very negative, gives me bad invincible gyno.

Smiley said:
Some AAS work for you and most dont. You still have a lot to try that might have more dramatic effects. Anadrol is something i think will work well. Its said to promote weight gain through pathways other than the AR (which doesnt seem to be effective for you).
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Interesting, you say the androgen receptor, would SD work well for me because of its extremely high anabolic:androgenic ratio? Makes initial sense.
 
Smiley said:
Some AAS work for you and most dont. You still have a lot to try that might have more dramatic effects. Anadrol is something i think will work well. Its said to promote weight gain through pathways other than the AR (which doesnt seem to be effective for you).
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interesting post deff makes me rethink things
 
since we react similar to tren...i really wouldnt risk it. i loved tren oral, but i had to cut my cycle WAY short cuz of gyno...i think anadrol would put weight on him(which i dont think he wants), but who knows right?
 
Unreal,
May i ask what kind of soap you use for acne sir?
 
jsut read all that i needed to catch up - sorry to hear your response is limited but it looks like ur working towards ur goals slowly but surely.
 
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