Which Tester can handle the gains from LG's Natadrol!?!?

Liftergym33 said:
Shipped today guys!
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Congratulations to all the members chosen to log this!

thanks to LG for the opportunity to log Natadrol, and more thanks for being so prompt in getting these sent out!
 
Congrats all and best of luck with your run :)

//CC
 
So we have a bunch of loggers that have no idea what their taking and no info on what the "beta testers" experienced. I must say this is very irresponsible from both parties. Have fun guinea pigs.
 
You are really negative man, seriously...We would never ship something dangerous to someone, the reason you use a semi-blind test is to not influence the people using it by having a bunch of brolore get thrown around before the compound is released.
 
LegalGear said:
You are really negative man, seriously...We would never ship something dangerous to someone, the reason you use a semi-blind test is to not influence the people using it by having a bunch of brolore get thrown around before the compound is released.
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Not negative at all. You could at least tell people what their taking. So I should trust a supplement company on whats not dangerous? Does SX ring a bell.
 
bigmoe65 said:
Not negative at all. You could at least tell people what their taking. So I should trust a supplement company on whats not dangerous? Does SX ring a bell.
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U also have to realize they are not forcing you to take their supplement. If you dont feel comfortable taking it then don't buy it and in this case don't post an application to log it.
 
bigmoe65 said:
Read my post above, its irresponsible from both parties.
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As one of the testers, you have to know the company you are dealing with. I would not take a new supp from Bigmoe's supplements :) as they are not established and have no reputation. However, I have tested for LG before and feel comfortable that there is no concern. LG is a great brand with an excellent reputation.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
It is people's choice. .
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I agree. People do stupid things.

AE14 said:
As one of the testers, you have to know the company you are dealing with. I would not take a new supp from Bigmoe's supplements :) as they are not established and have no reputation. However, I have tested for LG before and feel comfortable that there is no concern. LG is a great brand with an excellent reputation.
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Im sure a lot of people felt the same way about AX also.
 
AE14 said:
As one of the testers, you have to know the company you are dealing with. I would not take a new supp from Bigmoe's supplements :) as they are not established and have no reputation. However, I have tested for LG before and feel comfortable that there is no concern. LG is a great brand with an excellent reputation.
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I agree with this 100%. Over the years I have used countless supplements from the LG lineup, all of which have shown outstanding results. I have no reason to believe that Legal Gear is going to have me ingest something that will be detrimental to my health. If there was even an ounce of doubt in my mind my personal RESPONSIBILITY to be conscious of my safety would have immediately kicked in, and I would have never entered my application.

That being said, I have no doubt that Natadrol will be the next grade A product to be added to the LG lineup!
 
bigmoe65 said:
Im sure a lot of people felt the same way about AX also.
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Not to be rude, but why exactly do you post on a supplement board? It seems that everything that you spout is so negative

We all know the risks that are associated with anything put into their body, however we agree and assume that risk without hesitation.
 
Jeremy Brown said:
I agree with this 100%. Over the years I have used countless supplements from the LG lineup, all of which have shown outstanding results. I have no reason to believe that Legal Gear is going to have me ingest something that will be detrimental to my health. If there was even an ounce of doubt in my mind my personal RESPONSIBILITY to be conscious of my safety would have immediately kicked in, and I would have never entered my application.

That being said, I have no doubt that Natadrol will be the next grade A product to be added to the LG lineup!
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I never said LG makes bad products or that Natadrol wont be any good. As a business though they should be a little more open about what they are having people test. This goes for all supp companies.

AE14 said:
Not to be rude, but why exactly do you post on a supplement board? It seems that everything that you spout is so negative

We all know the risks that are associated with anything put into their body, however we agree and assume that risk without hesitation.
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I post here because I want answers, but I obviously cant get them.
 
my typical supplements include:

Fish oil
Sesamin oil
Cissus (damn tendonitis)
Beta alanine
Creatine mono
Xtend
AAKG

Also planning on running life support with cycle support on hand in case sides get bad.

does LG have any concerns with me running any of these supps while logging for them?
 
Another thing is why would they so openly(have people log a product) display their supplement if they have reservations about it? Wouldn't it make more sense to just release it with a bunch of hype?

All I can say is I feel great on HGHup and it is making me anxious for when I run GHenerate.
 
delsolrob said:
my typical supplements include:

Fish oil
Sesamin oil
Cissus (damn tendonitis)
Beta alanine
Creatine mono
Xtend
AAKG

Also planning on running life support with cycle support on hand in case sides get bad.

does LG have any concerns with me running any of these supps while logging for them?
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Yes Sir they are totally against it. You must surrender all of your staples to the bald man with a kleening obsession.... :)
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes Sir they are totally against it. You must surrender all of your staples to the bald man with a kleening obsession.... :)
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damn it, I was afraid of that!

I appreciate your willingness to help me clear out my cupboards of all this overstock!:cheers:
 
You make a fair point, but again it's to try and get some honest feedback. I've given out some of the ingredients, just reserved one for secrecy. Additionally, no one is forcing a person to log this product, you opt in knowing you are testing the product in a semi-blind capacity.

Finally, there is a major difference in people NOT paying for a supplement and testing it vs hiding ingredients in their supplements that are illegal and not on the label. Sure, we could spike the product for testers, but then people wouldn't get the same response when the actual product is released. Also, let's face facts man, there is some karma in the world. We've always been a pretty stand up company and we are still standing even after a lot of adversity and people (most of them out of business) trying to ruin us or hurt our reputation. I am not going to risk our reputation on spiking a product in testing or production.

Take our GHenerate. People logging it are getting the same good results as the testers.
 
LegalGear said:
You make a fair point, but again it's to try and get some honest feedback. I've given out some of the ingredients, just reserved one for secrecy. Additionally, no one is forcing a person to log this product, you opt in knowing you are testing the product in a semi-blind capacity.

Finally, there is a major difference in people NOT paying for a supplement and testing it vs hiding ingredients in their supplements that are illegal and not on the label. Sure, we could spike the product for testers, but then people wouldn't get the same response when the actual product is released. Also, let's face facts man, there is some karma in the world. We've always been a pretty stand up company and we are still standing even after a lot of adversity and people (most of them out of business) trying to ruin us or hurt our reputation. I am not going to risk our reputation on spiking a product in testing or production.

Take our GHenerate. People logging it are getting the same good results as the testers.
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There's the answers there man :)
 
LegalGear said:
You make a fair point, but again it's to try and get some honest feedback. I've given out some of the ingredients, just reserved one for secrecy. Additionally, no one is forcing a person to log this product, you opt in knowing you are testing the product in a semi-blind capacity.

Finally, there is a major difference in people NOT paying for a supplement and testing it vs hiding ingredients in their supplements that are illegal and not on the label. Sure, we could spike the product for testers, but then people wouldn't get the same response when the actual product is released. Also, let's face facts man, there is some karma in the world. We've always been a pretty stand up company and we are still standing even after a lot of adversity and people (most of them out of business) trying to ruin us or hurt our reputation. I am not going to risk our reputation on spiking a product in testing or production.

Take our GHenerate. People logging it are getting the same good results as the testers.
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You cant get much more honest than that. Given the current times (FDA bans and companies being forced to cease production and shut down) why would LG risk their reputation and good business from loyal customers by tampering with, and lying about or hiding ingredients in a product? Its just not logical...
 
Jeremy Brown said:
You cant get much more honest than that. Given the current times (FDA bans and companies being forced to cease production and shut down) why would LG risk their reputation and good business from loyal customers by tampering with, and lying about or hiding ingredients in a product? Its just not logical...
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I never said LG was doing something wrong. All I asked was whats in it and how did the beta testers respond. Wouldnt you like to know the possible sides before you took something? This product is requiring pct, c,mon guys use your head.
 
bigmoe65 said:
I never said LG was doing something wrong. All I asked was whats in it and how did the beta testers respond. Wouldnt you like to know the possible sides before you took something? This product is requiring pct, c,mon guys use your head.
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bigmoe has been making some very valid points.

It's a different game when you're talking hormonal products, therefore you can't compare releasing this blind to say GHenerate.

It's a very grey area, but man you're game/stupid jumping onboard a *new* hormonal without knowing fk-all about it.

But I'm not bashing LG in particular either. They have some very cool and effective products. It's just my commentary on this whole issue.
 
jakellpet said:
bigmoe has been making some very valid points.

It's a different game when you're talking hormonal products, therefore you can't compare releasing this blind to say GHenerate.

It's a very grey area, but man you're game/stupid jumping onboard a *new* hormonal without knowing fk-all about it.

But I'm not bashing LG in particular either. They have some very cool and effective products. It's just my commentary on this whole issue.
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The thing that kind of off put me was who it was coming from to be honest. All I have seen from big moe is negative posts about supplements. Its weird how one can be so negative about supplements on a board so based around supplements. Plus I guess HGHup does increase agression just a wee bit.
 
LegalGear said:
You are really negative man, seriously...We would never ship something dangerous to someone, the reason you use a semi-blind test is to not influence the people using it by having a bunch of brolore get thrown around before the compound is released.
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well said
 
Tomahawk88 said:
The thing that kind of off put me was who it was coming from to be honest. All I have seen from big moe is negative posts about supplements. Its weird how one can be so negative about supplements on a board so based around supplements. Plus I guess HGHup does increase agression just a wee bit.
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You seriously think this board is all about supplements?

I guess your training is too?
 
well im glad some of you guys are willing to take a hormonal without knowing whats in it.personally, ill wait to figure out what i will be putting in my body...besides that however, i am anxious to see the results you guys get and am interested in the product.
 
It's not hormonal at all, that's the point of it. Either way, if you don't want to take it as a tester, then ust let us know, no big deal.
 
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Everyone feel better? I can see both sides here and they have pretty valid points. While LG does not want to skew the reports on the product by telling people what to expect so that they are looking for it, possibly even imagining effects because they want to experience what has been hyped. I like the idea of taking the placebo effect out of it.

On the same note the more cautious on the board would see this trial and it throws up red flags to them, and I am sure that BigMoe is astounded that others do not share his concerns regarding their own health.

That being said it is great that we have a board that can accomodate both the risk takers and the more weary. Depending on either side of the coin we all benefit from this type of set up and lack of excess hype. THose of us who want to jump right in and try things out have the oppurtunity to be the first in, and even in lucky cases get to test the products free for assuming the minimal risk associated with the natural products. On the opposite side of the very same coin; the more cautious individuals get to read the logs of those chosen to test the products, and in this case will get a non placebo induced review from 4 different individuals who are already respected on the board.

LG is a good company and has offered up many good products. Some more hardcore than others that people knew right off there was an associated risk with taking them and they sold like candy on a fat farm. THey cater to people with a like goal in mind. Muscle! The roads and paths to get there may be different and I am happy to see more natural products coming out in thier arsenal. I think it is safe to assume they did lab testing and control group testing before they ever gave the products to their own beta testers. They already believed it to be safe before the beta testers got their hands on it. There was no mention of needing anything during cycle to maintain liver or kidney health, nothing regarding blood pressure, if so I am sure it would have been provided to the testers just as the T-911 was. That in and of itself implies that A: they are already looking out for the testers by giving them a free PCT, and B: they did not see any other associated health risks during testing besides the body's natural testosterone production being lowered due to the higher levels of androgens.

Now enough of the bickering :p No one is at fault in any way here. Just different ways of viewing things. Quick somebody start a log on this stuff so we can concentrate on the real important issues. What can this stuff do, and how well does it do it?
 
so its got androgenic side effects and requires a mild pct but isnt hormonal?definitely am curious about what this is going to contain.sounds too good to be true!
 
MrKleen73 said:
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Now enough of the bickering :p No one is at fault in any way here. Just different ways of viewing things. Quick somebody start a log on this stuff so we can concentrate on the real important issues. What can this stuff do, and how well does it do it?
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seriously lets get some logs going asap
 
Tomahawk88 said:
The thing that kind of off put me was who it was coming from to be honest. All I have seen from big moe is negative posts about supplements. Its weird how one can be so negative about supplements on a board so based around supplements. Plus I guess HGHup does increase agression just a wee bit.
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I like how people label me a negative because all I ask for is a little responibility and accountibility. Keep on searching for your magic pill guys.
 
U caught me

TimberLakers said:
You seriously think this board is all about supplements?

I guess your training is too?
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I NEVER train at all. I just pop pills and drink prowders. Who needs food? Just pound down shake after shake.

Well when u think about it we are in the supplement subforum so yes the discussion going on is largely based on supplements.

Looking forward to the logs lets get this show on the road :cheers:
 
Tomahawk88 said:
I NEVER train at all. I just pop pills and drink prowders. Who needs food? Just pound down shake after shake.

Well when u think about it we are in the supplement subforum so yes the discussion going on is largely based on supplements.

Looking forward to the logs lets get this show on the road :cheers:
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Well unfortunately for you - you still said board...

So still an epic fail.
 
TimberLakers said:
I'd request in the future that you let people speak their mind without interrupting with your drivel. Nothing worse than a board nazi... Big Moe isn't saying anything out of line or inflammatory.
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Lol this is probably the only time I have not been PC with the exception of people coming in asking about steroids and I get called a board nazi. So in order for him to be able to speak his mind I have to hold back my opinion? I don't think I ever told him to shut up.

Lol the only thing I said to piss people off is I made an observation about bigmoe's posts.

Edit: Would some company please give bigmoe a logging opportunity? I would like to follow 1 of his logs and see what he thinks about the product in depth.
 
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