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getswole3332

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hey all,

Im just wonderin what you think about these clones which ones are the best?

havoc vs. h-drol

s-drol vs. m-drol

I only done phera and super clones so im wonderin what gains are like on tren or halo clones. Is there a big difference between tren and halo gains? ive heard from some that tren products are 12x stronger than 1-test??!!

tfsupplements has lots of these products for very cheap(x-tren,h-drol,m-drol,p-plex) are they legit? they dont even have a contact phone number just an email...seems sketchy to me..anyone use them? THANKS!!
 
Clones?

Havoc and h-drol are not clones of eachother.

Their not the same compounds.

Cant really go wrong with superdrol clones. but m-drol has had some complaints. one of CELs few weak spots is their Superdrol clone.
 
yup i have definately read and heard some sketchy stuff about m-drol...so what is the diff between h-drol and havoc. I know havoc is supposed to be better for gains but harsher on sides.

i ran mass tabs for 3 1/2 weeks and im finishing the cycle with two weeks of beastdrol. Is it ok to jump from product to product mid cycle...ive seen a lot of logs where people bridge similar and diff products. They are similar and are both SD clones.....i just dont want there to be a gap between when the mass tabs are worn off and im waiting for beastdrol to kick in??? im am VERY curious about this .....my friend told me it wont matter as long as they are both SD products bridging them wont be a problem....?!
 
getswole3332 said:
yup i have definately read and heard some sketchy stuff about m-drol...so what is the diff between h-drol and havoc. I know havoc is supposed to be better for gains but harsher on sides.

i ran mass tabs for 3 1/2 weeks and im finishing the cycle with two weeks of beastdrol. Is it ok to jump from product to product mid cycle...ive seen a lot of logs where people bridge similar and diff products. They are similar and are both SD clones.....i just dont want there to be a gap between when the mass tabs are worn off and im waiting for beastdrol to kick in??? im am VERY curious about this .....my friend told me it wont matter as long as they are both SD products bridging them wont be a problem....?!
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h-drol is halodrol and havoc is epi. Just be careful with the super. And why are you bridging two superdrol clones?
 
A superdrol bridge? how long do you plan on running the SD for? You should only run for 3 weeks. four MAX. thats too short to do a bridge.

As stated above. hdrol is halodrol and havoc is an epi. totally different compounds. their both low on sides and their both not really mass products to begin with. also hdrol and sdrol or havoc and sdrol are not going to stack well together if thats what you plan is. list out what your cycle is going to look like..
 
im bridging them because i only had 3 1/2 of mass tabs so I wanted to extend it with beastdrol.and the crazy gains came at the end of the cycle so i reacted late and it may be because i was runnin arimatest precycle? or my body could react differently to SD. I have no side effects and am up 20 lbs. with these final ten days of using beastdrol i am doin 30 mgs per day. I have no idea how much SD was in the mass tabs. could have had no sides because they were underdosed. I have heard that three to four weeks is best but a lot of people also believe that a 5-6 week cycle is more beneficial because some people wont see gains until almost three weeks in to the cycle......Thank you so much for clearing up the issue with h-drol/halo...epi/havoc...helps alot!!! I really think with thye way Im reacting to SD that an extended cycle wont be a problem.
 
Its really your own grave broseph, but running SD for 6 weeks is a ****ty idea imo. You might seriously piss off your lipid profiles. plus, I think youre going to find why most people stop using SD after 3-4 weeks is that the gains stop. i think youre going to waste some pills.
 
getswole3332 said:
im bridging them because i only had 3 1/2 of mass tabs so I wanted to extend it with beastdrol.and the crazy gains came at the end of the cycle so i reacted late and it may be because i was runnin arimatest precycle? or my body could react differently to SD. I have no side effects and am up 20 lbs. with these final ten days of using beastdrol i am doin 30 mgs per day. I have no idea how much SD was in the mass tabs. could have had no sides because they were underdosed. I have heard that three to four weeks is best but a lot of people also believe that a 5-6 week cycle is more beneficial because some people wont see gains until almost three weeks in to the cycle......Thank you so much for clearing up the issue with h-drol/halo...epi/havoc...helps alot!!! I really think with thye way Im reacting to SD that an extended cycle wont be a problem.
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Personally I would never do it for longer than 4 for the reasons mentioned by Travis.
 
i here you guys for sure and i appreciate the lookout...i really just think i reacted late to this stuff...like i said the gains REALLY kicked in on week three and the gains have not stopped AT ALL! im getting bigger and stronger w every workout.


what really need to know is if there will be a period of time in between the mass tabs and the beastdrol where i will be technically not "on" because the mas tabs have worn off and the beastdrol hasnt kicked in or will the beastdrol pick up right where the mass tabs left off?

for example: if someone were to switch from the 5 androst version to the etiocholan version of superdrol mid cycle would the transfer go smoothly?...would the cycle be interrupted? or is the form of SD being used completely irrelevant???
 
getswole3332 said:
i here you guys for sure and i appreciate the lookout...i really just think i reacted late to this stuff...like i said the gains REALLY kicked in on week three and the gains have not stopped AT ALL! im getting bigger and stronger w every workout.


what really need to know is if there will be a period of time in between the mass tabs and the beastdrol where i will be technically not "on" because the mas tabs have worn off and the beastdrol hasnt kicked in or will the beastdrol pick up right where the mass tabs left off?

for example: if someone were to switch from the 5 androst version to the etiocholan version of superdrol mid cycle would the transfer go smoothly?...would the cycle be interrupted? or is the form of SD being used completely irrelevant???
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Only thing for sure is that your blood levels would not drop and may even rise if you are taking a higher dose. I have never heard of this though so if anyone has any experience with this please chime in.
 
thats a good point...i figured since the fcc says mass tabs are super then u r really gettin 30mgs of super instead of stenbolone...to keep steady levels i am takin 3 10mg pills of beast throughout the day..
 
so nobody has any actual advice to give about bridging to different forms of SD(Etiocholan, 5androst). Seriously all i need to know is if the transition from 3 1/2 weeks of mass tabs to ten 10 days of beastdrol would go smoothly????

and for those sayin that its too long to be on SD:some people react to SD differently. I have spoken with many people who have done SD cycles for longer than i am and they made it back just fine. Some people say most of the gains come within two...NOT FOR ME!!! lots of others say they dont get the best gains until near the end of week four. If thats the case(for them) why would you cycle off right when you start to get jacked. Four weeks is the typical cycle for SD but it is not written in stone.
 
getswole3332 said:
so nobody has any actual advice to give about bridging to different forms of SD
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actually you've gotten a lot of advice, you're just ignoring it and looking for someone who will tell you "yeah sure bro bridge into SD at 30 mg and run that out until 6 weeks."

Even I wouldn't recommend that, not even for myself, 30mg is an excessive dose and I don't know why you are doing it at all.

If you want to push it out then run the SD at 20mg to finish up week 4 and do a 5th week see how you feel, i would recommend against exceeding that, but its your body
 
UnrealMachine said:
actually you've gotten a lot of advice, you're just ignoring it and looking for someone who will tell you "yeah sure bro bridge into SD at 30 mg and run that out until 6 weeks."

Even I wouldn't recommend that, not even for myself, 30mg is an excessive dose and I don't know why you are doing it at all.

If you want to push it out then run the SD at 20mg to finish up week 4 and do a 5th week see how you feel, i would recommend against exceeding that, but its your body
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If this kid won't consider it thats saying something ;)
 
ok im gonna listen to you guys and cut it off at 5 weeks...i appreciate all the info as well!!! what i wanted to know though was if the beastdrol would get into my system fast enough to make doing it for week five of my cycle even worth it??

this an example of what i dont understand about bridging: people run SD for 2 1/2 weeks then switch to phera plex for 2 1/2 more weeks. So lets say you are runnin the SD and your gains dont come till after week 2...how does swithing to phera plex make sense??...then you run the phera for 2 1/2 weeks and right when your gains start comin in from that your cycle is over??!! this probably sounds dumb to the more experienced users but i just dont get it
 
the definition of a bridge is that week of overlap. One builds up during the week of overlap and then the other still has about 5 days to clear so you've got about 12 days for the one bridged into to "kick in" so it'll work with SD which is very fast acting.
 
Don't feel dumb. I am semi-exp and I really don't see the appeal myself of bridging stuff. Just so you can switch compounds mid cycle I guess. It's all good though if it works for others.
 
getswole3332 said:
ok im gonna listen to you guys and cut it off at 5 weeks...i appreciate all the info as well!!! what i wanted to know though was if the beastdrol would get into my system fast enough to make doing it for week five of my cycle even worth it??

this an example of what i dont understand about bridging: people run SD for 2 1/2 weeks then switch to phera plex for 2 1/2 more weeks. So lets say you are runnin the SD and your gains dont come till after week 2...how does swithing to phera plex make sense??...then you run the phera for 2 1/2 weeks and right when your gains start comin in from that your cycle is over??!! this probably sounds dumb to the more experienced users but i just dont get it
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Good choice. So what are you trying to say about sdrol? That your gains don't come very quickly? Have you ran a cycle of sdrol before bro?
 
Mass Tabs is a 30mg blend of stuff not 30mg of SD. It's actually very low doses like 10-15 hence the low sides for users thinking it's not SD. Also would explain your slower gains than you might have expected.
 
Grambo said:
Mass Tabs is a 30mg blend of stuff not 30mg of SD. It's actually very low doses like 10-15 hence the low sides for users thinking it's not SD. Also would explain your slower gains than you might have expected.
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aha this is the exact answer i was lookin for....i knew msomethin was up with the mass tabs because evryone said m-drol works in two weeks so they finish the m-drol after three weeks....with the mass tabs i literally exploded towards the END of week three....

I cut the mass tabs off abruptly after 3 weeks and 5 days(i was short a few)
and started the beastdrol the next day(planned on ten days with beastdrol). So what you guys are sayin is that the mass tabs will take 5 days to clear out of my system and the beastdrol will take 7 days to kick in? this doesnt make sense because they are both SD. It seems like the beast should pick up right where the mass tabs left off only at a higher dose(30mgs ed) to increase gains in week 5, seeing as they are clones of the same compound.

if im only runnin the beastdrol for ten days and it takes 7 days for it to kick in then am i just wastin my beastdrol pills. if the mass tabs clear after 5 days and the beast doesnt kick in for 7 days then wont there be a couple days there where my levels will drop very low??? thanks so much guys!!!
 
Grambo said:
Mass Tabs is a 30mg blend of stuff not 30mg of SD. It's actually very low doses like 10-15 hence the low sides for users thinking it's not SD. Also would explain your slower gains than you might have expected.
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aha this is the exact answer i was lookin for....i knew msomethin was up with the mass tabs because evryone said m-drol works in two weeks so they finish the m-drol after three weeks....with the mass tabs i literally exploded towards the END of week three....

I cut the mass tabs off abruptly after 3 weeks and 5 days(i was short a few)
and started the beastdrol the next day(planned on ten days with beastdrol). So what you guys are sayin is that the mass tabs will take 5 days to clear out of my system and the beastdrol will take 7 days to kick in? this doesnt make sense because they are both SD. It seems like the beast should pick up right where the mass tabs left off only at a higher dose(30mgs ed) to increase gains in week 5, seeing as they are clones of the same compound.

if im only runnin the beastdrol for ten days and it takes 7 days for it to kick in then am i just wastin my beastdrol pills. if the mass tabs clear after 5 days and the beast doesnt kick in for 7 days then wont there be a couple days there where my levels will drop very low??? thanks so much guys!!!
 
Since they are both the same I don't see it as being a waste it would just be like continuing the cycle. No need to go extra high on the beastadrol though since you have been on lower dosed SD.
 
ok cool thank you so much... iwas takin 1 mass tab per day..now im takin 3 10mg pills of beast ed...it doesnt feel like too much beast to me. thye mass tabs may have more than 10-15mgs maybe? perhaps closer to 20mgs?

if anyone knows about tfsupplements.com could you PM me and tell me if they are legit?...they have CEL products for almost too good of a price:0
 
Grambo said:
Tf is legit.

I'd stick with 20mg if I was you personally. I don't know the exact mass tab amount but I know it's low dosed.
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i def would have gone with 20mgs if i had known the mass tabs were underdosed(how do u know this?). i thought i was goin from 30 mgs to 30 mgs. if i did the mass tabs for four weeks then jumping to 30mgs for an additional 10 days is dumb but i only have a few days left so im just gonna finish it out. It seems like in order to get the full benefit of SD at 30mgs you would have to ease into it like: 10/20/20/30........is this accurate?
 
getswole3332 said:
i def would have gone with 20mgs if i had known the mass tabs were underdosed(how do u know this?). i thought i was goin from 30 mgs to 30 mgs. if i did the mass tabs for four weeks then jumping to 30mgs for an additional 10 days is dumb but i only have a few days left so im just gonna finish it out. It seems like in order to get the full benefit of SD at 30mgs you would have to ease into it like: 10/20/20/30........is this accurate?
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It is not that you get the benefits by easing into it. Its that you see how your body reacts at lower dosing before moving up. I still feel 30mg is way high for SD but people seem to disagree nowadays.

You will prob get some good sides form 30mg for these ten days. I woudl just do 20mg but that is me. It is really up to you what you want to do on the dosing.
 
hard iron said:
lol dude my head is spinning after reading this. Holy crap
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I know right lol! I tend to over think things which leads to me askin some pretty weird qyuestions haha.

k so grambo here is what im gettin from what you are sayin: its good to ease into a 30 mg dose in terms of sides, but in terms of your body getting benefit from a 30mg dose jumpin from 10,12mgs(mass tabs) to 30mgs is no different than goin from 20 to 30mgs......sorry soooo many questions:sorry:
 
I think what he is saying is u ease into higher doses to determine how u react to it. Y use 30mg when 20mg is treating u good with less sides is the basic idea.
 
well three days left and im done so ill give little report....

didnt notice any worse sides from bumping up to 30 mgs.
things i did notice from an extra little stretch:
1. vascularity def better
2. hardness and fullness increased ALOT
3. pumps almost hurt now in my arms(in a good way lol)
4. only gained a couple additional pound but my body feels way more pumped with a higher dose of SD...overall I think it was a good idea(for me) seeing that i didnt notice any bad sides from bumpin up the dose.

neway PCT starts on sat.
Jack3d
creatine mono
shakes(of course)
arimatest
Nolva 30/20/20/10
 
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