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Slim Xtreme DISCONTINUED!

ephedroman said:
Yeh, and when they get cancer their like "How did this happen?". I cant say much though because I just took an sx this morning, so ideally I would be the pot calling the kettle black although we STILL dont know whats in it.
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i bet most smokers don't know whats in cigarettes either, it should be enough to know they ARE dangerous. i think we know enough about slimx to say that even though you don't drop dead now, that the potential for harm is there.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Even though there's a high chance that a veiled substance is in it, that may potentially be detrimental to your health?
Sounds logical.
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Hey im willing to try anything once. If i get any side effects then ill stop. Plus i wanna try it before it gone for good like everything else that works
 
Iron Lungz said:
I can see someone who is told that they have heart valve issue due to stimulant use say the same. Sad, but true.
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Thats why I said, "im like the pot calling the kettle black". You could call me an idiot but im gonna continue taking sx because its one of my fav fat burners that i've tried. So i guess the outcome down the road will be i look great and lose alot of weight but have major health issues.
 
I was agreeing, but putting it in to different words for comparison.
ephedroman said:
Thats why I said, "im like the pot calling the kettle black".
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ephedroman said:
You could call me an idiot but im gonna continue taking sx because its one of my fav fat burners that i've tried. So i guess the outcome down the road will be i look great and lose alot of weight but have major health issues.
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You reap what you sew. Good luck with that.
I'll be the old man that is still maing gains because my health allows it. ;)
 
Iron Lungz said:
I was agreeing, but putting it in to different words for comparison.



You reap what you sew. Good luck with that.
I'll be the old man that is still maing gains because my health allows it. ;)
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Old and FAT, hahaha.
 
Good lord! Will this crap ever end? I am so tired of the FDA and the talking heads in Cap. Hill running their mouth about the supplement industry when they are clearly retards with no frame of reference whatsoever. A few of my friends have written letters to congress and our representative; against my advice. I told them that their letters are basically a literary way of wasting their breath. These guys don't care if ph's or any other supplements are truly safe. They care about portraying the image of a wild west sheriff; where they are battling the evil supplement industry who is responsible for the deaths of our young men etc etc. Give me a break. I feel like I'm going to need to rent a crappy apartment in Canada or Mexico where I go 8-12 weeks out of the year just to cycle.
 
elivvt said:
I would like to know if anyone else has experienced a dry cough/rhaspy throat that dissipates after the first few hours of taking SX even with adaquate water intake.
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With X force, I did have all of those effects. Never felt anything else besides cotton mouth and rhaspy voice for 2 hrs or so.
 
Hell I had no bad side effects, unless you call xtreme energy, mental focus, fat loss, and no hunger.... anyone else with no sides?
 
My jaw would lock up from time to time on account of i was grinding my teeth alot...thats about it honestly. After I got off of it all of that stopped.
 
Guys, I must say that after taking sx for 3 days now and since they changed the formula a couple of times that im not getting anything from it...now im only doing 1 pill because if we find out anything IS in it then I wouldnt have built up too much but as for as energy or alertness im getting nothing. The appetite suppression is killer, all day type stuff but I guess after they took all the goodies out its (I hate to say it) just another "diet" pill...

*note though that im a stim junkie anyway and this is only after 3 days and at 1 cap per day. Im going to keep on it and see if I get the desired after after having been on it more and more.

^im not trying to make this a log or anything, I just wanted to keep you guys informed.
 
if SX does come back you can probably expect it to be a similar but different product.
 
ephedroman said:
As one guy was saying in an earlier post its not hard for people to want to just throw caution out the window if they can reach there goal, I mean the difference in cigs and sx is what did you really think you would get out of cigs?...a buzz maybe and some cancer, but sx you know what it can do so the outcome is alot better although we still dont know whats in it.

Its all just a game of ethics, sure its bad to injest something we know might be potentially harmful but lets hope the outcome would outweigh that. You cant stop everybody.
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This horse is pretty tenderized at this point; however, it is WAY more than a game of ethics. It is more a game of ignorance or non-ignorance, pretty much....
 
PumpYouUp said:
Ah hell you can die of lung cancer and never smoked a cig in your life! I dont think anyone has died from SX yet...... I hope they dont as I would like to run it again in the future! I have never been as clear headed and alert as I was on this stack. What the hell was in this ****? Crack?
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By this logic we should all participate in sexual activities without prophylactics, screw AIDS, just wing it.
 
marine0231 said:
Hey im willing to try anything once. If i get any side effects then ill stop. Plus i wanna try it before it gone for good like everything else that works
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Herpes is your friend. I wouldn't try anything once. Sorry, that is just not a smart move.
 
theface said:
Good lord! Will this crap ever end? I am so tired of the FDA and the talking heads in Cap. Hill running their mouth about the supplement industry when they are clearly retards with no frame of reference whatsoever. A few of my friends have written letters to congress and our representative; against my advice. I told them that their letters are basically a literary way of wasting their breath. These guys don't care if ph's or any other supplements are truly safe. They care about portraying the image of a wild west sheriff; where they are battling the evil supplement industry who is responsible for the deaths of our young men etc etc. Give me a break. I feel like I'm going to need to rent a crappy apartment in Canada or Mexico where I go 8-12 weeks out of the year just to cycle.
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Sounds like both sides have the issue that is bolded....:01:
 
hardknock said:
This horse is pretty tenderized at this point; however, it is WAY more than a game of ethics. It is more a game of ignorance or non-ignorance, pretty much....
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Well label me as ignorant. I feel there are many worse things I could be doing with my life then taking a $39 bottle of pill because we still have nothing to go by as they have'nt released what was really in it.

I accept what you trying to do here by putting me down because im taking them. Although ignorance would be they telling us there is for certain some kind of designer drug in it and then me make a choice to take them even though I KNOW theres something in it but hey what do I know right?
 
ephedroman said:
Well label me as ignorant. I feel there are many worse things I could be doing with my life then taking a $39 bottle of pill because we still have nothing to go by as they have'nt released what was really in it.

I accept what you trying to do here by putting me down because im taking them. Although ignorance would be they telling us there is for certain some kind of designer drug in it and then me make a choice to take them even though I KNOW theres something in it but hey what do I know right?
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Thats like someone telling you some dude just p!ssed in your lemonade,
you drinking it, and saying i'll believe it when i see it.
 
quitting slimx now MAY reduce serious risks to your health.
 
ephedroman said:
Well label me as ignorant. I feel there are many worse things I could be doing with my life then taking a $39 bottle of pill because we still have nothing to go by as they have'nt released what was really in it.

I accept what you trying to do here by putting me down because im taking them. Although ignorance would be they telling us there is for certain some kind of designer drug in it and then me make a choice to take them even though I KNOW theres something in it but hey what do I know right?
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Ok man, do not jump me for posting that. No one called you ignorant. I said that it was not a case of ethics but more a case of ignorance outweighing intelligence, in these types of situations.

Do you know how many people are dead/disabled/or dying due to plain, simple, ignorance?

For the record: Ignorance, imo, does not mean stupid. There is a fine line between the two. Ignorance would be partaking in something of which you have LITTLE knowledge about. You are basically ignorant to the facts of said event

....STUPID is seeing a person "piss in your lemonade" and still chugging it down, like, it won't hurt me one time....

Quit being so touchy.

On a side note:
I love how sellers on Ebay are conveniently forgetting to post that certain prohormones have AN ACTUAL DRUG IN THEM. I just looked at finadex and there was not a mention of any drug. The seller only posted the natural portion of the ingredient profile

Combines two of the most advanced pro-anabolic agents with other ingredients creating a product that improves strength, lean mass, muscle density and vascularity.

Reduces body fat and stimulates the immune system.

Combines AAKG (Arginine alpha-ketoglutarate), Berberine/Banaba Extract, Propionyl L-Carnitine, and NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) to increase muscle mass, decrease muscle protein breakdown, increase protein synethsis, promote muscle repair, stimulate GLUT-4 receptors in muscles, and improve cellular health.

90 Capsules
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Unreal.
 
I know what's in it, and it is a great product. Too good for the open market. Just ordered another bottle. Unless you want to use scheduled drugs like modanafil or focalin/concerta, you'll find no alternative. Of course, this doesn't excuse the unethical way of bring this to market.
 
hardknock said:
Ok man, do not jump me for posting that. No one called you ignorant. I said that it was not a case of ethics but more a case of ignorance outweighing intelligence, in these types of situations.

Do you know how many people are dead/disabled/or dying due to plain, simple, ignorance?

For the record: Ignorance, imo, does not mean stupid. There is a fine line between the two. Ignorance would be partaking in something of which you have LITTLE knowledge about. You are basically ignorant to the facts of said event

....STUPID is seeing a person "piss in your lemonade" and still chugging it down, like, it won't hurt me one time....

Quit being so touchy.

On a side note:
I love how sellers on Ebay are conveniently forgetting to post that certain prohormones have AN ACTUAL DRUG IN THEM. I just looked at finadex and there was not a mention of any drug. The seller only posted the natural portion of the ingredient profile



Unreal.
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Yeh, when I read your post it sounded like you were trying to call me ignorant thats why I replied like that...my bad hardknock.
 
Ok, my take on this would be the FDA has approved certain supplements and most are not approved/banned. This leads me to believe that someone who is high up the FDA's chain of command could make a lot of money by forming ties with certain drug companies to endorse their products with a FDA approval stamp. Im not saying thats what is going on, Im just stating my opinion of how government agencies work. You scratch our back and well scratch yours... There is no way for the FDA to test every single supplement that is being put out, it would cost too much money, so its easier for them to just ban everything and only approve what they have tested or what they are being paid to approve..... My 2 cents.


And like I have stated I did not have any bad sides on this product, did anyone that is bashing the use of this product actually run it and experience bad sides? Hell I could state that drinking water is bad for you! It might contain a particle of dog **** that was not filtered because some lazy ass at the county water department forgot to change the filters! I think that soft drinks contain all kinds of chemicals and harmful byproducts but a lot of people drink them still! The point is we don't know if there is anything wrong with the pills.
 
PumpYouUp said:
And like I have stated I did not have any bad sides on this product, did anyone that is bashing the use of this product actually run it and experience bad sides? Hell I could state that drinking water is bad for you! It might contain a particle of dog **** that was not filtered because some lazy ass at the county water department forgot to change the filters! I think that soft drinks contain all kinds of chemicals and harmful byproducts but a lot of people drink them still! The point is we don't know if there is anything wrong with the pills.
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Holy **** man.. where did your logic come from? Why would ANYONE take the **** if they do not know what they are taking? Funny thing about the water supply is this... it is run by the county and guess what, you can have all the access to water reports you want... now where is my access on SX?
 
DAdams91982 said:
Holy **** man.. where did your logic come from? Why would ANYONE take the **** if they do not know what they are taking? Funny thing about the water supply is this... it is run by the county and guess what, you can have all the access to water reports you want... now where is my access on SX?
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at the end of the rainbow DUR!!! God Adams you dont look very hard do you?
 
I dont know nor care whats going on I just want my slim xtreme back it has some crazy effects i heard alot compared to like adderal. Anyways FYI people I think FDA or w/e is just trying to look good or get in on it cause let me tell you something the US government is a joke and a bunch of liars. Do some research on the horrible ingrediants in milk from the US (MSG) they continue to insist its perfectly fine and healthy whe ITS NOT and some products even have MSG in them yet their labeled NO MSG. Aspartame people insist on drinking diet sodas n such. The government is a hug scam and joke FDA whoever. I thought this was the home of the free who are they to tell me what I put in my body. I bet they want in on the ingrediants so they can patent it. Screw them they got a patent on a plant that originally ONLY grew in Australia. I hope whoever makes SX gets everything settled so I can continue to buy hell I dont even but it for weight loss I love the energy and positive effects I get from it, dont get me wrong it gets bad but I just chill and try to go to sleep. Oh and as far as water reports go DONT believe everything you read or hear especially if the government is involved in some way or state officials, MOST of these people are the biggest scum of the earth.
 
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seems like theres something along the lines of SPEED or METH in this product, so the claims add up to at least.

wouldnt be surprising how the headshops in the UK and maybe elsewhere produce products such as modified designers of Extasy and other drugs , producing INSANE effects (IE like 3 day sleepless trips)

i believe this is probably what it is. i remember seeing videos back in the day about Weight loss in EUROPE and steroids. Long story short... i remember this older guy talking about how he drank this liquid form of "EX" in a coffee cup each day, and he said the fat was just falling off. Perhaps they finally caught on? who knows. but its easiest to JUST ASSUME this isnt far from something on that level
 
bobwasnick said:
. Do some research on the horrible ingrediants in milf from the US
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I happen to know some MILFs personally, from the U.S. no less, and they all seem to have a very favorable ingredient profile. Very stimulating indeed.

Seriously though, if you want to continue to purchase and use SX, there are numerous internet supp distributors that still offer it up for sale. One cannot deny however, the inherent risk involved in said product, given its current unknown, (poss. (s)-2-diphenylmethylpyrrolidine), ingredient. If the post has been read thoroughly, such observation would be supremely elucidated.​
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meathed said:
I happen to know some MILFs personally, from the U.S. no less, and they all seem to have a very favorable ingredient profile. Very stimulating indeed.

Seriously though, if you want to continue to purchase and use SX, there are numerous internet supp distributors that still offer it up for sale. One cannot deny however, the inherent risk involved in said product, given its current unknown, (poss. (s)-2-diphenylmethylpyrrolidine), ingredient. If the post has been read thoroughly, such observation would be supremely elucidated.​
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Yea I kno I wouldnt be surprised of its a drug honestly I dont care as long as it doesnt kill (which it could) but im willing to take that risk? I may sound like a druggy but I like being up for days on I get more done and I just like it. I usually when im taking SX would stay up for more then 48 hrs at least once a week. i think the ingredients did change cause I remember when I first took it some days I thought I was gonna fall out mainly from work (had to dig holes for condui that day) which really would be my fault had I passed out but I didnt. I didnt take them everyday either after that 48 hr term id lay off for about 2-3 days. The only negative effects I get are the bowel movements, headaches, and sometimes if im wired im looking strange (like im on some meth lol) you know the shakes but usually the only people that can notice that is people you know or see everyday. The stuff works wonders for some on weightloss I originally got it for that and pretty much after my second bottle was content and extremely happy. Im pretty sure its best not to take them religiously either which people prob do. I would run out and go about a month before I got another bottle. OH! I lied, I just remembered a pretty big negative side effect that I cant say for sure was caused by SX but I never have or did clinch my teeth a typical sympton caused from -meth. I think I would sometimes clinch them in my sleep too this was when I would take 2 when I wake up and possibly 2 more within 24 hrs. I was still clinching when I WASNT taking them on and off and when I stocked up again I sometimes then would clinch and other times not so yea....
 
I have to be honest here, but you do not sound like the sharpest knife in the drawer. I keep reading, "like METH," and "I don't care." You sound like the typical METH addict trying to reason and justify your use. Enjoy the chemicals; I think they're rotting your logic.
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Yea I kno I wouldnt be surprised of its a drug honestly I dont care as long as it doesnt kill (which it could) but im willing to take that risk? I may sound like a druggy but I like being up for days on I get more done and I just like it. I usually when im taking SX would stay up for more then 48 hrs at least once a week. i think the ingredients did change cause I remember when I first took it some days I thought I was gonna fall out mainly from work (had to dig holes for condui that day) which really would be my fault had I passed out but I didnt. I didnt take them everyday either after that 48 hr term id lay off for about 2-3 days. The only negative effects I get are the bowel movements, headaches, and sometimes if im wired im looking strange (like im on some meth lol) you know the shakes but usually the only people that can notice that is people you know or see everyday. The stuff works wonders for some on weightloss I originally got it for that and pretty much after my second bottle was content and extremely happy. Im pretty sure its best not to take them religiously either which people prob do. I would run out and go about a month before I got another bottle. OH! I lied, I just remembered a pretty big negative side effect that I cant say for sure was caused by SX but I never have or did clinch my teeth a typical sympton caused from -meth. I think I would sometimes clinch them in my sleep too this was when I would take 2 when I wake up and possibly 2 more within 24 hrs. I was still clinching when I WASNT taking them on and off and when I stocked up again I sometimes then would clinch and other times not so yea....
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Iron Lungz said:
I have to be honest here, but you do not sound like the sharpest knife in the drawer. I keep reading, "like METH," and "I don't care." You sound like the typical METH addict trying to reason and justify your use. Enjoy the chemicals; I think they're rotting your logic.
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lol i kno I sound crazy i have never used meth and I do care but I really dont think SX is harmful unless you ABUSE it. People are killing them selves everyday stuffing their faces with junk food. Oh and maybe I have used meth!? idk cause we dont know whats in SX yet lol. Trust me on this though SX is def not addicting in my case.
 
bobwasnick said:
lol i kno I sound crazy i have never used meth and I do care but I really dont think SX is harmful unless you ABUSE it.
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Yeah, okay.

bobwasnick said:
People are killing them selves everyday stuffing their faces with junk food.
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Two wrong don't make a what? Yeah, your defense isn't strong with that. This is still a feeble stab at justifying use.

bobwasnick said:
Oh and maybe I have used meth!?
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I think you are confused in more than one area of life.

bobwasnick said:
Trust me on this though SX is def not addicting in my case.
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Here again are the famos words of someone trying to rationalize their use.


It's a matter of natural selection at this point. So go for it.
 
I think he meant that perhaps meth is the unknown substance so he was making a point in saying that maybe he has used it...

Anyhow, I think the junkie comment is just about going overboard on his statement regarding addiction. Not as in a personal insult overboard but the reaction to the whole SlimX thing. Let's not take a very substantiated issue with the subject and turn it into a sky is falling scenario because when people start seeing these types of things the 'warnings' become something akin to the marijuana commercials on tv.
 
HaHa all good people I dont anything to heart from someone else over the web. If he suspects I smoke meth thats fine. I know what and what I dont do and thats all the matters. If I go give a guy a ZJ for some meth whats it to you? Yes, I meant that coud be the substance in SX. Thank you for looking at all scenarios and situations other than automatically judging and labeling someone for something they may or may not do. Yes I dont wanna bring anymore negatives either cause than I wont be able to buy the stuff. Oh and using something such as fast food is just as good if not a better example. Yea society will accept anything they see or hear these days RE-Legalize It!!!!
 
Tried to find a Slim X replacement and . . . Not very happy with Methyl Ice at all. My husband is doing fair. I am eating like crazy and tired. . . The OPPOSITE of what I was looking for!!! Any suggestions for elevated mood, focus, appetite suppression and energy would be appreciated, in short, I want SX the way it worked when 1 pill worked for me. After 3 months, I was taking 4-6 per day w/ limited effect. . .??? Apparantly it had been reformulated?
I KNOW when I started taking SX there was NO WAY I would have taken more than one!!
 
oregonsteps said:
Any suggestions for elevated mood, focus, appetite suppression and energy would be appreciated
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Meditation. No lie. It works for me as well as a great many others. Quiet introspection can be cathartic and regenerating among other things. Do some google work. There is a lot of credible free advice on the subject. Careful though. It can become addicting.
 
haha is the FDA trying to divide and conquer us over a fat loss/ energy supplement? I mean we have members bashing other members for using a supplement that actually performs! There are many other supplements that actually work that have been pulled from the shelf by the FDA, yet you still see members wanting to get them back. I can read what bob has posted and gather that he really likes SX but his manner of posting doesn't help the cause on here... Hell I hope that there is not a damn designer drug in SX as I wont run it again, even though it works it would not be worth the risk.
 
Somone stated its still possible for purchase on other sites. I would agree with you I would take one or two and be good for about 2 days. They either lowered it or you build up a tolerence. There was just something about the first bottle I bought though. Whenever I get the headaches I will go burn one.SX + marijuana = Good Vibes

HaHa sorry bro here I am bashing it again but I mean its not like this stuff is just now getting thrown out. I feel sorry for the guy that said he was in the hospital hope your feeling better dude.
 
bobwasnick said:
I dont know nor care whats going on I just want my slim xtreme back it has some crazy effects i heard alot compared to like adderal.
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many people liked what slim xtreme did for them. slim xtreme would have never needed to be recalled if anabolic xtreme hadn't decided to lie about it.

if they wrote on the label: "D2MP (DAT NET inhibitor)" then everything would have been fine. they wouldn't have to stop production, to shut down their forums, to send mysterius recall-emails to selected consumers etc.
everything would have been perfectly fine, except for the DEA knocking on their door one beautiful and sunny day.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Routine...diet...it takes a long time and requires gratuitous amounts of patience that not everyone is willing to swallow.

Heck thats the cornerstone of the supplement industry...gives you results faster so you can achieve more within a given amount of time.

For some people putting a "potentially" harmful substance in ur body is worth the risk if it will give you the desired results. Sometimes its hard to think of the long haul as a whole when your are consumed by ur current goals.

When it all boils down to it.....lifting itself is potentially injurious...heck im saying potentially to be nice...getting injured is almost enevitable. So if there are those who wanna throw caution to the wind to get that extra edge for a limited amount of time, I wont judge them just cause i dont want to adopt a similar course of action.

We all take risks in different areas of life....so who am i to say that my risks are better then your risks. I can use scientific data to support why someone else's risks may have a higher probability of injury or death, but once again since its only probable and not fact the debate will always be there.
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Just reading some thoughts on SX. I like the way you think!
 
I don't think that AX would risk getting shut down over something like this. They have a pretty good customer base and a lot of product lines, so why would they sneak something in - knowing that eventually they would get caught? That makes no sense at all. Perhaps a supplier substituted an ingredient or made claims about something? I have no idea. I do know, however, that AX has sent some samples out for testing and in the interim have issued a voluntary recall:

"If you have purchased or consumed the dietary supplement product SLIM XTREMETM by Anabolic Xtreme, please take notice of the following:
In addition to our letter, this email is to inform you that Anabolic Xtreme is recalling all lot codes of its dietary supplement product, SLIM XTREME. The product is distributed as a box, containing forty-five (45) capsules per package. The label on the packaging lists the company name Anabolic Xtreme, Arizona. In addition, sample serving packets containing 3 capsules per packet were sold as samples and are labeled SLIM XTREME. All lot codes are covered in this recall.
This voluntary recall has been initiated due to recent allegations that an ingredient contained in SLIM XTREME may not comply with all provisions of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. At this time, Anabolic Xtreme is aware of no serious adverse events resulting from consumers ingesting this product. We are voluntarily recalling all lots of SLIM XTREME from the market as a precautionary measure.
Consumers who may have purchased SLIM XTREME should immediately discontinue using the product and contact us at [...] to receive further instructions for returning the product or with any questions.
We sincerely regret any inconvenience to our consumers. Anabolic Xtreme is taking this voluntary action out of concern for health and safety.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Kevin Smith

President "
 
bobwasnick said:
Somone stated its still possible for purchase on other sites. I would agree with you I would take one or two and be good for about 2 days. They either lowered it or you build up a tolerence. There was just something about the first bottle I bought though. Whenever I get the headaches I will go burn one.SX + marijuana = Good Vibes

HaHa sorry bro here I am bashing it again but I mean its not like this stuff is just now getting thrown out. I feel sorry for the guy that said he was in the hospital hope your feeling better dude.
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hmmm, nothing good could have possibly come of this.

I am somewhat bewildered but I think you have missed most points. If it were labeled in a manner to which you were able to research the ingredient and not obscure then, POSSIBLY, ok, have at it. HOWEVER, when it is labeled as an obscure product that very few can research, then it becomes a problem. You are focusing on SX, there are a plethora of products with the same issues, hence, the out cry.

There are a few things that supplements should be and do...

1. They should be labeled as is
2. They should work and not just suck your money away

Now, if some company wants to produce an illegal substance that does work, is labeled correctly, and risk going to prison or get fined, that is ok, for them, it is self inflicting. I cannot tell them what to do or not do to their own company and reputation.

However, when i go out to buy Raisin Bran, those little things in the cereal need not be rat poison. If so, just TELL ME THAT IT IS RAT POISON so i can make my own decision...sad but true.
 
PumpYouUp said:
haha is the FDA trying to divide and conquer us over a fat loss/ energy supplement? I mean we have members bashing other members for using a supplement that actually performs! There are many other supplements that actually work that have been pulled from the shelf by the FDA, yet you still see members wanting to get them back. I can read what bob has posted and gather that he really likes SX but his manner of posting doesn't help the cause on here... Hell I hope that there is not a damn designer drug in SX as I wont run it again, even though it works it would not be worth the risk.
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the fda did not have anything to do with that case.

and nobody should bash you if you know that you are taking a designer drug with largely unknown toxicity. i mean, nobody walks around and bashes people who love to take xtc or speed.

problem with sx was that the company made people believe they were taking proline. even if you like rc drugs, you would certainly be pissed if your friend gave a glass of milk to you and mixed some crack in it without telling you what it is.
 
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