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Slim Xtreme DISCONTINUED!

ottonis said:
many people liked what slim xtreme did for them. slim xtreme would have never needed to be recalled if anabolic xtreme hadn't decided to lie about it.

if they wrote on the label: "D2MP (DAT NET inhibitor)" then everything would have been fine. they wouldn't have to stop production, to shut down their forums, to send mysterius recall-emails to selected consumers etc.
everything would have been perfectly fine, except for the DEA knocking on their door one beautiful and sunny day.
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and if nixon would have hired competent burglars..
 
Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
Routine...diet...it takes a long time and requires gratuitous amounts of patience that not everyone is willing to swallow.

Heck thats the cornerstone of the supplement industry...gives you results faster so you can achieve more within a given amount of time.

For some people putting a "potentially" harmful substance in ur body is worth the risk if it will give you the desired results. Sometimes its hard to think of the long haul as a whole when your are consumed by ur current goals.

When it all boils down to it.....lifting itself is potentially injurious...heck im saying potentially to be nice...getting injured is almost enevitable. So if there are those who wanna throw caution to the wind to get that extra edge for a limited amount of time, I wont judge them just cause i dont want to adopt a similar course of action.

We all take risks in different areas of life....so who am i to say that my risks are better then your risks. I can use scientific data to support why someone else's risks may have a higher probability of injury or death, but once again since its only probable and not fact the debate will always be there.
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You are going to place lifting weights and KNOWING that you could break a bone, tear a muscle, or tendon in the same sentence as taking a drug, supplement, which is mislabeled, or at least, labeled obscurely.

It's called educating yourself and using common sense my man. You do not have to be the smartest guy in the world but just use basic common sense.

Wait, forgive me, maybe I am the idiot. Yes, that must be it.

....hold on, going to down 5 pills from this mysterious bottle i found in the back of my closet. It is missing a label and I have no idea what is in it, but hell, my buddy gained 16lbs in 1 week..shoooooot, I should gain at least 8lbs....after that I am going to drink this unmarked liquid that's been sitting in my buddy's fridge for about 1 year, then i am going to smoke this shyyyyat that my bud had, but I have no idea if it's pure weed or laced with cocaine or dog shyyyat....i'll then fall back on my couch, buck naked, watch old Sanford and son shows and loluzzzzz will be had!!! Thanks brah! I understand your position now.
 
hardknock said:
You are going to place lifting weights and KNOWING that you could break a bone, tear a muscle, or tendon in the same sentence as taking a drug, supplement, which is mislabeled, or at least, labeled obscurely.

It's called educating yourself and using common sense my man. You do not have to be the smartest guy in the world but just use basic common sense.

Wait, forgive me, maybe I am the idiot. Yes, that must be it.

....hold on, going to down 5 pills from this mysterious bottle i found in the back of my closet. It is missing a label and I have no idea what is in it, but hell, my buddy gained 16lbs in 1 week..shoooooot, I should gain at least 8lbs....after that I am going to drink this unmarked liquid that's been sitting in my buddy's fridge for about 1 year, then i am going to smoke this shyyyyat that my bud had, but I have no idea if it's pure weed or laced with cocaine or dog shyyyat....i'll then fall back on my couch, buck naked, watch old Sanford and son shows and loluzzzzz will be had!!! Thanks brah! I understand your position now.
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.......you obviously misread my post....or im hoping you misread my post cause it would be quite ironic that you preach education if you understand a well thought out point of view.

So allow me to elaborate my friend. I do not down mysterious substances and juice up on unknown compounds. Quite the contrary, i research everything i put into my body down to the metabolic and chemical effects of everyday food. So you can be rest assured i dont smoke that laced shyat or pound that super supplement my buddy gained 16lbs on.

But what i am against is judging an individual who does these things. They are taking a risk with their body in order to attain a goal and in the end we all risk ourselves to varying degrees. At 198lbs putting 525lbs on my back to hit a below parallel squat is one hell of a risk after squatting for a year and half. As is trying to push my elbows and shoulders despite my history of injury to surpass my 405 max.

Basic common sense is a relative term for what is common sense to me about voltage gated sodium channels in the depolarizing phase of an action potential in your central nervous system is not common sense to my mother who is a realtor of over 2 decades. On that note what is common sense to her about property value and appraisals is lost on me.

So before you take a high and mighty stance against a post designed to set a respectful tone amongst highly opinionated athletes be sure you understand the meaning before you try and knock it.
 
You can still snag some of Amazon. My bottle shipped a few days ago. I got an email today from Anabolic Xtreme about the voluntary recall and how we should not take the product but should immediately email them. :saroll:

You may want to go the medical route, though based on your posts.

oregonsteps said:
Tried to find a Slim X replacement and . . . Not very happy with Methyl Ice at all. My husband is doing fair. I am eating like crazy and tired. . . The OPPOSITE of what I was looking for!!! Any suggestions for elevated mood, focus, appetite suppression and energy would be appreciated, in short, I want SX the way it worked when 1 pill worked for me. After 3 months, I was taking 4-6 per day w/ limited effect. . .??? Apparantly it had been reformulated?
I KNOW when I started taking SX there was NO WAY I would have taken more than one!!
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hardknock said:
You are going to place lifting weights and KNOWING that you could break a bone, tear a muscle, or tendon in the same sentence as taking a drug, supplement, which is mislabeled, or at least, labeled obscurely.

It's called educating yourself and using common sense my man. You do not have to be the smartest guy in the world but just use basic common sense.

Wait, forgive me, maybe I am the idiot. Yes, that must be it.

....hold on, going to down 5 pills from this mysterious bottle i found in the back of my closet. It is missing a label and I have no idea what is in it, but hell, my buddy gained 16lbs in 1 week..shoooooot, I should gain at least 8lbs....after that I am going to drink this unmarked liquid that's been sitting in my buddy's fridge for about 1 year, then i am going to smoke this shyyyyat that my bud had, but I have no idea if it's pure weed or laced with cocaine or dog shyyyat....i'll then fall back on my couch, buck naked, watch old Sanford and son shows and loluzzzzz will be had!!! Thanks brah! I understand your position now.
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Man I hate the fact the people cant think out of the box. Hes trying to tell you nothing in this so called life we live is certain and for all we know more people could have died in weightliftng activities than using forms of drugs. Your prob saying this dude is a ****in moron but w/e. You listen to everything people tell you and live by labels. Like I have said before dont believe everything you hear or see. It doesnt matter if something is researched and observed for years on by scientists and they post the results of this research for everyone, that doesnt make it fact or true.
 
Pirate! said:
I got an email today from Anabolic Xtreme about the voluntary recall and how we should not take the product but should immediately email them.
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I received the same email; however, after 4 responses TO THEM (as requested by them), I have not heard a word. Also, I like the way they didn't comment on why they are recalling them... that's bullsh*t to me.
 
bobwasnick said:
Man I hate the fact the people cant think out of the box. Hes trying to tell you nothing in this so called life we live is certain and for all we know more people could have died in weightliftng activities than using forms of drugs. Your prob saying this dude is a ****in moron but w/e. You listen to everything people tell you and live by labels. Like I have said before dont believe everything you hear or see. It doesnt matter if something is researched and observed for years on by scientists and they post the results of this research for everyone, that doesnt make it fact or true.
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THANK GOD. Finally, I can light that cigarette back up because the research is neither fact nor true!
 
oregonsteps said:
Love your positive input. . . and I actually do meditate!! LOL, Anyother thoughts on a purchasable product???
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Never used SX (using a bottle as a doorstop now though), but I am right now currently enjoying Cytolean. Everyone is different, but personally, I'm liking it.
 
DAdams91982 said:
THANK GOD. Finally, I can light that cigarette back up because the research is neither fact nor true!
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Minor correction...if it was a fact everyone who smokes will get lung cancer.

There is a high correlation and probablity of an increased risk of lung cancer due to smoking. But it is not quite a death sentence.

Science is all about supporting evidence. Nothing is proven just very well supported. So it is a very well known correlation and very well supported that if you suck on those death sticks your Chances of lung cancer WILL go up SIGNIFICANTLY.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Minor correction...if it was a fact everyone who smokes will get lung cancer.

There is a high correlation and probablity of an increased risk of lung cancer due to smoking. But it is not quite a death sentence.

Science is all about supporting evidence. Nothing is proven just very well supported. So it is a very well known correlation and very well supported that if you suck on those death sticks your Chances of lung cancer WILL go up SIGNIFICANTLY.
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hehe, I think you probably didn't get DAdams's point. But perhaps I just didn't get your point.

I think the point is that some people say: "almost everything can be harmful, even those things that are proclaimed as "safe" by pharma or medicine, and because of that it doesn't overly matter if we ingest a substance with largely unknown toxicity."

DAdams countered in a brilliantly scarcastic manner that if nothing is set in stone - even not science based evidence - then why not just ignore everything and anything, and e.g. start to smoke, since the correlation between smoking and cancer would be arbitraray and volatile - when following the logic of the preceding poster.
 
ottonis said:
hehe, I think you probably didn't get DAdams's point. But perhaps I just didn't get your point.

I think the point is that some people say: "almost everything can be harmful, even those things that are proclaimed as "safe" by pharma or medicine, and because of that it doesn't overly matter if we ingest a substance with largely unknown toxicity."

DAdams countered in a brilliantly scarcastic manner that if nothing is set in stone - even not science based evidence - then why not just ignore everything and anything, and e.g. start to smoke, since the correlation between smoking and cancer would be arbitraray and volatile - when following the logic of the preceding poster.
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Oh sorry if i made myself unclear. DAdam point was pretty much flawless but i believe he can agree that science is area where few things are PROVEN rather they are heavily supported. Which is why i said MINOR correction to only a small portion of his post. Science is constantly evolving and growing with every technological advance we make and with every great mind that thinks up some new revolutionary theory that debunks current well accepted theories.

But you are right my counter post could have gone without being posted. It was literally just a post on semantics and I understand what he was trying to say and I completely agree with him.
 
They issued a voluntary recall; however, they did not state why. I would not think that a company would recall a product unless they know that it is either tainted, or is hazardous to some now known extent. I am still awaiting their statement.
 
iron your avatar makes it hard for me to read your posts....I wanna read what you have to say but my eyes just end up on your avatar

I can get more then 3 or 4 words in dude...come on man!
 
Iron Lungz said:
They issued a voluntary recall; however, they did not state why. I would not think that a company would recall a product unless they know that it is either tainted, or is hazardous to some now known extent. I am still awaiting their statement.
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haha, you are not holding your breath are ya?
 
Iron Lungz said:
I can for nearly 4 minutes; however, that's time wasted if I am waiting on them for any such statement. I mean, to hell with the consumer! :rolleyes:
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btw-look here, where did you get that picture of my wife in your avi? well at least the image is burned on my eyeballs for later, lol.:cheers:
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
.......you obviously misread my post....or im hoping you misread my post cause it would be quite ironic that you preach education if you understand a well thought out point of view.
>>>I read your post perfectly, that is why I stated that I KNOW you didn't try to attribute a risk of lifting to a risk of taking an unknown mysterious supplement

So allow me to elaborate my friend. I do not down mysterious substances and juice up on unknown compounds. Quite the contrary, i research everything i put into my body down to the metabolic and chemical effects of everyday food. So you can be rest assured i dont smoke that laced shyat or pound that super supplement my buddy gained 16lbs on.
>>>So, how does one research a supplement which DOES NOT HAVE THE PROPER LABELING, didn't think so. You seem to think that the whole rant was ABOUT YOU, don't give yourself that much credit. It was about the whole ideological and idiotic stance of people wanting to "throw caution to the wind" as you call it and take supplements that have been mislabeled, oh, but it works so that makes it ok

But what i am against is judging an individual who does these things. They are taking a risk with their body in order to attain a goal and in the end we all risk ourselves to varying degrees. At 198lbs putting 525lbs on my back to hit a below parallel squat is one hell of a risk after squatting for a year and half. As is trying to push my elbows and shoulders despite my history of injury to surpass my 405 max.
>>>Once again, you KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A HISTORY, you are AWARE OF SOMETHING WRONG, you have a clear cut decision to make here. And, you are still placing lifting weights, driving a car, smoking a cigarette, jumping from an air plane, running in front of a train, etc, with ingesting an unknown pill....seems logical though! I guess I should label them as risk takers or "go getters", manly men?. You can paint the crack of a man's butt any color you want, it's still an a$$hole.

Basic common sense is a relative term for what is common sense to me about voltage gated sodium channels in the depolarizing phase of an action potential in your central nervous system is not common sense to my mother who is a realtor of over 2 decades. On that note what is common sense to her about property value and appraisals is lost on me.
>>>Sorry, but that is not basic common sense. IF that were the case then I could say that hacking into someone's bank account, or hacking into a satellite surveying the earth's surface is basic common sense, it is not. It is learned by years of studying, trying, perfecting...please, give me more. You might as well say that it is basic common sense to diet and train correctly if you are Ronnie, Jay, Lee, Arnold, Mike, Dorian, pfffft, give me more

So before you take a high and mighty stance against a post designed to set a respectful tone amongst highly opinionated athletes be sure you understand the meaning before you try and knock it.
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Meaning was understood my man. Home run, home team wins!!!
 
bobwasnick said:
Man I hate the fact the people cant think out of the box. Hes trying to tell you nothing in this so called life we live is certain and for all we know more people could have died in weightliftng activities than using forms of drugs. Your prob saying this dude is a ****in moron but w/e. You listen to everything people tell you and live by labels. Like I have said before dont believe everything you hear or see. It doesnt matter if something is researched and observed for years on by scientists and they post the results of this research for everyone, that doesnt make it fact or true.
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Is that what he was trying to tell me ... You must be kidding?

No, I don't listen to everything people tell me and live by labels ONLY. There are circumstances that allow me to actually take some supplements, send them to a friend, and have a sample tested. All of this before I actually take the product. There are many other circumstances that do not allow me to do this, sometimes it's money, other times, it is a lack of location and time. Or, the supplement is so well known that it has many years of research. In that case, i will research it myself through literature and guinea pigging a few guys such as yourself...lol
 
WHAT DO YOU MEAN EVERYTHING DOESNT REVOLVE AROUND ME?!?!?!

HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE SUCH A SIN! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
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But what i am against is judging an individual who does these things. They are taking a risk with their body in order to attain a goal and in the end we all risk ourselves to varying degrees. At 198lbs putting 525lbs on my back to hit a below parallel squat is one hell of a risk after squatting for a year and half. As is trying to push my elbows and shoulders despite my history of injury to surpass my 405 max.

Basic common sense is a relative term for what is common sense to me about voltage gated sodium channels in the depolarizing phase of an action potential in your central nervous system is not common sense to my mother who is a realtor of over 2 decades. On that note what is common sense to her about property value and appraisals is lost on me.

So before you take a high and mighty stance against a post designed to set a respectful tone amongst highly opinionated athletes be sure you understand the meaning before you try and knock it.
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Lifting heavy weights is NOT the same thing as someone who takes an unknown drug for the sake of vanity. At least, when you lift those heavy weights, you are aware of everything involved as well as the inherent risks. You all that are justifying using this recalled drug are just underscoring my long-standing belief that people on these bodybuilding boards are far too addicted to pills and drugs and need to take a long hard look at themselves and their training and diets. Whenever these companies even hint at releasing some Vida-reject or "Never-before-seen" ingredient, you get post after post of people VOLUNTEERING TO GUINEA PIG this stuff. It NEVER ceases to amaze me.

And that bit that that was written about common sense is off the mark as well. Common sense is common to most people. What you described is specialized knowledge. Common sense would tell you to maybe hold off on taking something that could potentially be harmful until you know different and can actually make an informed decision.
 
I want to make sure "You all" does not include myself so lets get a few facts str8.

I dont condone the use of mystery ingredient

I dont approve of individuals taking products with spiked ingredients

I dont think ANY company should condone such activity

I dont believe any individual should put dangerous mystery compounds in their body

I dont agree with individuals taking a supplement after it has been recalled

I do think everyone SHOULD have the same level of COMMON sense to understand that doing any of the above is not only hazardous but STUPID

Is that clear enough for everyone?


Forgive me if i dont choose to judge an individual by what they deem as an "Acceptable" risk. I try not to judge ANYBODY since we all have our faults.

Basic Common Sense changes from culture to culture, person to person, and family to family and here in America its a mix of culture so BASIC common sense is a misnomer used to justify what you have been taught since you were a wee lad.

Just b/c it is basics to lets say American culture does not make it basic in Indian culture.

But now you say well commmon sense about health is universal...no it is not. What one culture deems as acceptable and good for your health...like drinking urine, blood, eating dirt, eating the phallus of a deer, etc....is deemed ridiculous and stupid by another culture.

Now if some guy wants to jam pills with Super Androgen X with no listed ingredients and says "THIS IS WHAT I DO TO ACHIEVE MY GOALS" ok so be it, i dont want to call him stupid or idiotic or a f*ck head b/c i disagree with him.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Basic Common Sense changes from culture to culture, person to person, and family to family and here in America its a mix of culture so BASIC common sense is a misnomer used to justify what you have been taught since you were a wee lad.

Just b/c it is basics to lets say American culture does not make it basic in Indian culture.

But now you say well commmon sense about health is universal...no it is not. What one culture deems as acceptable and good for your health...like drinking urine, blood, eating dirt, eating the phallus of a deer, etc....is deemed ridiculous and stupid by another culture.
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Bionic said:
You all that are justifying using this recalled drug...
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Not trying to pet a wild lion or rattlesnake, not drinking stagnant water, not poking yourself in the eye with a sharp stick, not sticking your finger into a hornets' nest, etc. All examples of common sense. Common sense is just that...common.
 
Bionic said:
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Not trying to pet a wild lion or rattlesnake, not drinking stagnant water, not poking yourself in the eye with a sharp stick, not sticking your finger into a hornets' nest, etc. All examples of universal common sense.
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Common sense or survival fact? Everything u said is fostered by a need to survive and is not common but universal truths on how to live longer. I see the two as different.
 
The real point is not to take it again until we know for certain what is in the product! Hopefully its legit so we can run it again!
 
Hey, I appreciate what information I have been able to GLEAN from different areas, but can I be honest here for a moment? I don't pretend to know a lot about the medical aspects of all this...

Can someone put in laymens terms, what the intent of the mysterious notice was, why it is being pulled, and any update to the whole scenario? I read things like "Designer ps to AB colora 4 prolly did it" and I have no clue what any of that means.

HELP? Anybody?? WTF is going on? I've lost 14 pounds in a month and I 'd like to keep taking it?! Thanks in advance to a GREAT forum!

Mark, aka..Hoosker
 
No one knows and if they do, they're not telling. But y'know, crack will make you lose a bunch of weight in a short time but you wouldn't want it in a supplement, would you? Don't answer that! LOL
 
Bionic said:
No one knows and if they do, they're not telling. But y'know, crack will make you lose a bunch of weight in a short time but you wouldn't want it in a supplement, would you? Don't answer that! LOL
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Cocaine is a hell of a drug!
 
Iron Lungz said:
There's a recall for it right now... does that mean that it is legit?
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a VOLUNTARY recall. That makes me believe there isnt any SERIOUS consequences. But the small problems CAN turn into BIG problems. I had small problems, if i would have continued I may have been seriously f@#k'd up or dead. I loved the product but on the same tocken, feel betrayed and violated.:flowers1:
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Common sense or survival fact? Everything u said is fostered by a need to survive and is not common but universal truths on how to live longer. I see the two as different.
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Yep! Basically, what your saying is this....


again...

You can paint a butt crack any color that you desire, it is still an a$$hole.


I.E. No matter how you explain it, tis all the same.

And where did someone say that common sense about health was universal? Perhaps someone else did state that, but I am sure that I did not.

I typed that if you are going to state it the way that you did then I might as well say that it is common sense for Ronnie, Jay, etc to eat healthy, and workout to achieve The O' status. Yet, this is not true. This is learned, practiced, studied, and re-done again and again.

Meaning, it is not common sense, but it is learned and studied, and practiced. Common sense normally relates to only one of these aspects.


Does not matter what culture. IN THAT CULTURE what is common sense to them is common sense, period! It is pretty much common sense not to walk out in front of a car, unless you have a mental disability or the reasoning capacity of a small child.
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If you were addressing someone else, then, drop it.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
I want to make sure "You all" does not include myself so lets get a few facts str8.

I dont condone the use of mystery ingredient

I dont approve of individuals taking products with spiked ingredients

I dont think ANY company should condone such activity

I dont believe any individual should put dangerous mystery compounds in their body

I dont agree with individuals taking a supplement after it has been recalled

I do think everyone SHOULD have the same level of COMMON sense to understand that doing any of the above is not only hazardous but STUPID

Is that clear enough for everyone?


Forgive me if i dont choose to judge an individual by what they deem as an "Acceptable" risk. I try not to judge ANYBODY since we all have our faults.

Basic Common Sense changes from culture to culture, person to person, and family to family and here in America its a mix of culture so BASIC common sense is a misnomer used to justify what you have been taught since you were a wee lad.

Just b/c it is basics to lets say American culture does not make it basic in Indian culture.

But now you say well commmon sense about health is universal...no it is not. What one culture deems as acceptable and good for your health...like drinking urine, blood, eating dirt, eating the phallus of a deer, etc....is deemed ridiculous and stupid by another culture.

Now if some guy wants to jam pills with Super Androgen X with no listed ingredients and says "THIS IS WHAT I DO TO ACHIEVE MY GOALS" ok so be it, i dont want to call him stupid or idiotic or a f*ck head b/c i disagree with him.
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Hey, tis why I told you the second time after I realized that YOU figured this whole rant was directed toward you, ONLY.

Hey, you may not call someone a d@ck head, but I am not that nice. If I say, hey, don't jump because there is no safety net, and you ignore it, and jump anyway...you're stupid, plain and simple.
 
I didnt say anyone said it i was pre-emptively bringing up a counter argument that has to do with what i said. Since taking supplements is a health issue...common sense about health applies.

If you define common sense as avoiding that which will end your live then animals with no capacity of higher coritcal function have common sense...But the term common sense implies that you are able to reason past an instinctive degree. Therefore i feel an analogy that paints a survival instinct of dont step in front of the large speeding object that will obviously hurt when it hits me (i.e. cats, possums, squirrels all do this) as common sense is inaccurate.

But now if you want me to say it should be common sense that an individual not take potentially dangerous supplement then i would argue that it goes deeper then common sense. If not by shear survival instinct an individual should not ingest that which is harmful.

What is someone ignoring their instinct to survive...well i will allow you to fill in the blank.
 
oh i dont think its directed at me...which is why i posted the joke post about off with his head bro
 
I do not think those points were the topic of conversation. However, it is a humongous difference between avoiding something in which you THINK may end your life and avoiding something in which you KNOW will end your life or do you harm.

On to another note:^That horse is pretty tender by now.
I wasn't saying that you were not correct in the previous post. I was saying that those acts that you posted were not common sense, not even near. Learned can be one aspect, but when it is repeatedly practiced and repeatedly studied, then it is far beyond basic common sense.

So, as I was stating, and it is all that i stated, we cannot put something like performing brain surgery and all aspects of the surgery as common sense knowledge. Even if a team of brain surgeons are discussing procedures amongst themselves, we cannot label all topics of conversation as "common sense". Though, it is understood that SOME of the conversation may hinder on topics in which people should know, basics, learned from medical school...i.e. common sense.

Now, there are topics in which I may tutor people, which pertain to mathematics or computer engineering and I may say "hey, you know this, it's basic knowledge". Even then the topics will vary from basic common sense topics and advanced topics which go beyond basic common sense, in terms of those particular subjects.

My original point was and still is....THEY do not have to be the smartest people in the world, just educate themselves and use basic common sense. And, if you want to take cyanide and ingest it, after I tell you that your chances of living are about 0, then be my guest. At least, AT LEAST, you are well informed of the danger. This is a lot better than a few hundred companies out there will do for us.
 
And, for the guy that instant messaged me offline saying that I worked for the feds....NO!

I only stated that my ex worked for the FDA ..... BELIEVE me, if I worked for the feds, I would not be on here for 6 years talking openly about what I have experienced and indulged in.

But, since I have your location now from the instant messenger app, I might just turn your A$$ in...lol
 
Bionic said:
The definition of COMMON SENSE:
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Yes, this!^^^

But, I was under the impression that he was arguing the facts about common sense when directly related to a specific subject matter. Although, how we got on this topic about specific subject matters and the common sense or lack of that they carry, beats me, much like this horse we've been hammering the past few weeks.
 
I think certain people are trying to minimize this situation. This is a serious issue and I don't think it should be taken lightly or swept under the rug. Accountability and a truthful explanation should be demanded. They had no trouble taking your $$$. If it is all so benign, why the hell would they close up shop and circle the wagons?
 
plenny said:
a VOLUNTARY recall. That makes me believe there isnt any SERIOUS consequences. But the small problems CAN turn into BIG problems. I had small problems, if i would have continued I may have been seriously f@#k'd up or dead. I loved the product but on the same tocken, feel betrayed and violated.:flowers1:
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there is a case of diagnosed congestive heart failure and another case with similar symptoms (no official diagnosis yet). both as a consequence of taking slim xtreme.

congestive heart failure is an acutely life-threatening condition.

If I were that victim, I would wish we lived in the wild west around 1850, where people used to "solve" such problems caused by frauds, scammers and criminals in a certain manner.
 
hardknock said:
Yes, this!^^^

...much like this horse we've been hammering the past few weeks.
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beating a dead horse? I dunno....

Despite a lot of threads and posts at various internet forums, perhaps 90% of SX consumers are still entirely unaware. They still believe they are taking "Proline". Anabolic Xtreme first said that all speculationes about Slim Xtreme were 100% wrong and that there is secret information in a patent application that would become public within a few days or weeks. Then their reps stopped posting, they shut off their forums, stopped production of slim xtreme and now they recalled the product.

You certainly recognize that someone is trying to silently escape through the backdoor after he got caught with his pants down while doing extremely dangerous things. Apaprently, some people have almost died because Anabolic Xtreme made them believe that they are ingesting amino acids.
 
ottonis said:
beating a dead horse? I dunno....

Despite a lot of threads and posts at various internet forums, perhaps 90% of SX consumers are still entirely unaware. They still believe they are taking "Proline". Anabolic Xtreme first said that all speculationes about Slim Xtreme were 100% wrong and that there is secret information in a patent application that would become public within a few days or weeks. Then their reps stopped posting, they shut off their forums, stopped production of slim xtreme and now they recalled the product.

You certainly recognize that someone is trying to silently escape through the backdoor after he got caught with his pants down while doing extremely dangerous things. Apparently, some people have almost died because Anabolic Xtreme made them believe that they are ingesting amino acids.
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You are correct.

However, when I stated "beating a dead horse", I am talking about this PARTICULAR argument that one side has been having with the other about whether it is right or wrong, or any other opposing issues concerning people taking mysterious drugs and companies lying.

I just do not think that it makes sense for you, me, and this side of the fence to continue to argue with the "other" side about a company that should be held liable and if someone should continue to ingest a mysterious drug.

The bottom line is that, me, you, and the side that we stand on should be deemed as looking out for the best interest, no matter how someone looks at it. The other side that are trying to justify poor actions are doing so, MOSTLY, due to the fact that they want the drug to stay around, despite what it may do to unsuspecting people.

So, yeah, I agree with you 100%
 
Bionic said:
I think certain people are trying to minimize this situation. This is a serious issue and I don't think it should be taken lightly or swept under the rug. Accountability and a truthful explanation should be demanded. They had no trouble taking your $$$. If it is all so benign, why the hell would they close up shop and circle the wagons?
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The reason why people are like that is because they can justify their consumption with "I research everything and I know my body". IMO, it is a selfish move. (let me say that SOME people have that outlook, not all)

This is great for someone that does all the research, etc; however, when there are questionable tactics going on with a company, some which may linger on illegal, then people have to toss out the "Im smart enough to handle myself" attitude and start thinking about those people who are not as fortunate.

Now, do I think that you and I have the responsibility to stop or correct another individual about what they do to their body? No, we do not, however, if someone wants to take on that responsibility, I do not think that people should harp on them for doing it.

People should know that I am not running around waving a U.S. flag trying to be a patriot. But, when my 17 yr old nephew brings a supplement to me that some guy sold him at GNC and says that it will help him build natural muscle because it is all natural, and it is actually masteron, this is where I draw the line.
 
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The reason why people are like that is because they can justify their consumption with "I research everything and I know my body". IMO, it is a selfish move. (let me say that SOME people have that outlook, not all)

This is great for someone that does all the research, etc; however, when there are questionable tactics going on with a company, some which may linger on illegal, then people have to toss out the "Im smart enough to handle myself" attitude and start thinking about those people who are not as fortunate.

Now, do I think that you and I have the responsibility to stop or correct another individual about what they do to their body? No, we do not, however, if someone wants to take on that responsibility, I do not think that people should harp on them for doing it.

People should know that I am not running around waving a U.S. flag trying to be a patriot. But, when my 17 yr old nephew brings a supplement to me that some guy sold him at GNC and says that it will help him build natural muscle because it is all natural, and it is actually masteron, this is where I draw the line.
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sounds like this topic has hit you in a more personal way then most. I mean its one thing if I am stupid and take something b/c i didnt do the research or they lied to me...but i draw the line when its people i love.

I guess i would be making way more of a fuss if i dont know, if my baby sister was over 18 (which she isnt so this is hypothetical) and she was bringing home slim x to help drop a few lbs and then i find out that the ingredients where spiked. At that point i wouldnt be nearly as civil as im trying to be now. Id be out right in a non-stop incoherent rage....im not good with moderation haha
 
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