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Slim Xtreme DISCONTINUED!

socal2ks said:
While I haven't found anything conclusive, it is a little discerning seeing them disappear from the supplement companies forum.:outtahere:
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My thoughts exactly!

Companies here have released bogous batches, irresponsible products and done some pretty "oppsy" things.. People have used anabolics here in a total disregard for saftey and begged for help that they have boobs and have messed up their hpta. And still few sponsors have magically vanished overnight.
And AX has been arround for a while...

Makes me feel like there is an illegitimate child out there somewhere we don't even know about..
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Has anyone tried "methyl-ice" as a substitute yet as Nutraplanet recommends? I got a free sample with my last order but haven't run it yet..
 
ottonis said:
The FDA needs some serious reason to publicly speak a warning. First of all, there need to be documented cases of harm (e.g. people who admitted to hospital / ER) . second, they will look on the product label and read "Acai berry", "cocoa seed", "Amino acids". Such a label does not contain anything exotic that would give reason to raise suspicion.

If the FDA knew that there is a special, undeclared substance in the product and if they'd received a number of case reports with people admitted to hospital, they would certainly have reacted earlier.
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what planet are you living on? the fda has more than enough info. from what i understand they are sitting on this info until enough evidence has been compiled for prosecution. in the meantime they are keeping quiet so as not to mess up their case. in doing this they are putting people at risk. which is more important-prosecuting a supplement company- or warning people about an undisclosed ingredient that may be harmful enough to put some in the er? come on, the fda is just plain wrong...in their haste to make a big splash, they are endangering citizens. the fda needs to get their priorities right!!!
 
Considering the topic of this thread; asking people for input PRIOR to trying a sample is the more intelligent way of approaching it.
 
He said NP recommended it. I would think NP wouldn't recommend anything now, if it had possible "hidden" ingredients.
 
thebigt said:
what planet are you living on? the fda has more than enough info. from what i understand they are sitting on this info until enough evidence has been compiled for prosecution. in the meantime they are keeping quiet so as not to mess up their case. in doing this they are putting people at risk. which is more important-prosecuting a supplement company- or warning people about an undisclosed ingredient that may be harmful enough to put some in the er? come on, the fda is just plain wrong...in their haste to make a big splash, they are endangering citizens. the fda needs to get their priorities right!!!
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So, what you are saying here is that they would sit on SX and keep the info quiet and intentionally put consumer's health at risk but they are bringing the steroid issue to light now because they just want to screw with consumer's right to take anything that they want?

A bit of double fencing here, could it be?

If they had enough evidence, then this would be out there in the media just as steroids are.
 
hardknock said:
So, what you are saying here is that they would sit on SX and keep the info quiet and intentionally put consumer's health at risk but they are bringing the steroid issue to light now because they just want to screw with consumer's right to take anything that they want?

A bit of double fencing here, could it be?

If they had enough evidence, then this would be out there in the media just as steroids are.
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what do you think i have been ranting about through this entire thread? they have the info. they ARE sitting on it!!! they were investigating slimx even before the steroid scandal went public.
 
How do you know what they were investigating and when it started? Please give me the link to the site with this information. They're not sitting on information just to yell boo on Oct 31st...

Lonewolf: I think the biggest learning point for a lot of people here is that putting too much faith anywhere without knowing for certain can yield a wide range of results. I don't believe NP would do anything knowingly harmful to us but they are a business and can not be expected to conduct quality checks of all products. They're 'we're out of this, try this' is probably done via an automatic table that uses user feedback/sales/like product to suggest another product when one is discontinued etc.
 
Jayhawkk said:
How do you know what they were investigating and when it started? Please give me the link to the site with this information. They're not sitting on information just to yell boo on Oct 31st...

Lonewolf: I think the biggest learning point for a lot of people here is that putting too much faith anywhere without knowing for certain can yield a wide range of results. I don't believe NP would do anything knowingly harmful to us but they are a business and can not be expected to conduct quality checks of all products. They're 'we're out of this, try this' is probably done via an automatic table that uses user feedback/sales/like product to suggest another product when one is discontinued etc.
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there was a thread on bb.com at least a week before this other stuff talking about slimx being under scrutiny by fda. and lets say the fda doesn't know about slimx, that doesn't say much for them either. no the information is there!!!
 
There are a lot of assumptions being made. They may have information but they have to be sure becore issuing anything that can be proven wrong. However, if it makes you feel better to think otherwise who am I to rain on your parade?
 
Jayhawkk said:
There are a lot of assumptions being made. They may have information but they have to be sure becore issuing anything that can be proven wrong. However, if it makes you feel better to think otherwise who am I to rain on your parade?
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no, jayhawk. i am not looking to argue, but if the fda is investigating the supplement industry, it would be hard not to see the evidence that slimx has the potential to be harmful. it almost seems a given that by now they would know that it has caused enough problems to enough people to at least post a warning. ax has even stopped making it.
 
I would say its not over until there is some formal statement. Im sure there are quite a few of us who still have unopened bottles.

What was the formal explanation for AX being dropped from the subforum?
 
question??? if i threw my bottles away, can i verify that i have purchased them via nutraplanet by reciept?
 
oregonsteps said:
anyone know about methyl ice by redefine???
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METHYL ICE IS HERE

METHYL ICE by REDEFINE NUTRITION

Following the success of FINAFLEX 550-XD and PCT Revolution, Redefine Nutrition introduces METHYL ICE, the Next Generation of Weight Loss Supplementation.

Redefine Nutrition worked for over a year to perfect the Proprietary Blend of ingredients found in METHYL ICE instead of rushing another "me too" fat burner to the market like some companies do.

METHYL ICE is an advanced weight loss supplement featuring a synergestic matrix of the most effective and exotic ingredients found on the market today.

The proprietary matrix found in METHYL ICE produces a thermogenic environment that is unmatched by any other product ever introduced.

Redefine Nutrition's rigorous testing protocols allow for only the purest and most bioavailable forms of the ingredients to be used in the production of METHYL ICE.

The final product produces a clean and vibrant energy that lasts for HOURS coupled with an increased resting metabolic rate that incinerates adipose tissue (fat).

To top it off METHYL ICE contains a liver detoxification formula that allows for not only effective but safe weight loss.

Redefine EVERYTHING, Redefine Yourself with METHYL ICE!

WHAT IS METHYL ICE?

THERMOGENIC ENERGY AMPLIFICATION:

- Thiamine Disulfide Butyrate is one of the best stimulant based ingredients available today. Allows for clean and clear energy amplification without the common �gitters�

- Theobromine (Cocoa Extract) can be the key to the success or failure of many thermogenic fat burners. Methyl ICE contains the ideal amount of Cocoa Extract which allows users to reap the benefits of this powerful stimulant for hours at a time.

- 1,3 Dimethylamylamine is the ultimate ingredient available for the thermogenisis of adipose (FAT) tissue in the body. Combining all the tenets that define an �ultimate� fat burning compound including long lasting duration of appetite suppression, mental clarity, focus, and what some users describe as �enlightenment�. Methyl ICE contains the purest form of 1,3 Dimethyl available.

THYROID STIMULATION BLEND:

- 3,5 Diiodo-L Thyronine was once a patented ingredient used in the treatment of Thyroid Cancer. This compound remains unmatched in its ability to stimulate thyroid production (hyper) without impeding the natural thyroid function (hypo). Methyl ICE contains a stable form of this incredibly expensive ingredient.

- N-acetyl-L-tyrosine allows for accelerated creation of thyroid hormones in the body due to the heightened absorbtion rate and bioavailability of the amino acid.

WATER EXPULSION MATRIX:

- Dandelion Root and Vitamin B6 work together to keep water retention low during the fat burning cycle allowing for the �dry� and �hard� look.

LIVER DETOXIFICATION

- Methyl ICE promotes safe and effective weight loss by adding a combination of N-acetyl-cystenine, silymarin (milk thistle), and Vitamin C which at the appropriate levels will engage the liver in Stage 1 Detoxification.

I have been on it for about 2 weeks now...CLEAN energy....i think the T2 is real because i am sweating like CRAZY!

i am pyramid cycling the Methyl ICE. I am LOVING IT!!
 
reseda18760 said:
- 1,3 Dimethylamylamine is the ultimate ingredient available for the thermogenisis of adipose (FAT) tissue in the body. Combining all the tenets that define an �ultimate� fat burning compound including long lasting duration of appetite suppression, mental clarity, focus, and what some users describe as �enlightenment�. Methyl ICE contains the purest form of 1,3 Dimethyl available.

THYROID STIMULATION BLEND:

- 3,5 Diiodo-L Thyronine was once a patented ingredient used in the treatment of Thyroid Cancer. This compound remains unmatched in its ability to stimulate thyroid production (hyper) without impeding the natural thyroid function (hypo). Methyl ICE contains a stable form of this incredibly expensive ingredient.
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Yet another supp surrounded by 1,3, damn.

As for 3,5... I like the addition, but it is about the cheapest ingredient... and wondering how the natural thyroid suppression was circumvented.

3,5-Di-iodo-L-thyronine suppresses TSH in rats in vivo and in rat pituitary fragments in vitro
C Horst, A Harneit, H J Seitz and H Rokos

3,5-Di-iodo-L-thyronine (T2) is a naturally occurring metabolite of thyroxine (T4). Contrary to earlier findings, T2 has recently been shown to have rapid effects in rat liver and in mononuclear blood cells. In the experiments described here, T2 was tested to determine whether it has a TSH suppressive effect in rats in vivo and in rat pituitary fragments in vitro.

In experiments over 2 weeks in rats in vivo, low doses of T2 (20–200 µg/100 g body weight per day) had no significant influence on body and organ weights, but significantly decreased TSH and T4 serum concentrations. At 200 µg/100 g per day, T2 suppressed TSH to 43% and T4 to 29% of control levels. At 1–15 µg/100 g per day, 3,5,3'-tri-iodo-l-thyronine (T3), used as a comparison to T2, had significant effects on TSH and T4 levels, and also on body weight. Fifteen µg T3/100 g per day decreased TSH to 44%, T4 to 25%, and body weight to 59% of control levels.

In experiments over 3 months in rats in vivo, a low dose (25 µg/100 g per day) of T2 suppressed TSH to 60% and T4 to 57% of control levels and had no significant influence on other parameters. Conversely, 0·1 µg/100 g per day T3 had significant effects on body and organ weights as well as pellet intake, but a less pronounced TSH suppressive effect: TSH concentrations were unchanged and T4 concentrations were down to 80% of control values.

In rat pituitary fragments in vitro, a clear suppression of TSH secretion after a TRH pulse was demonstrated.

To summarise, T2 is a specific agonist in the negative feedback mechanism on TSH secretion at the pituitary level without other apparent thyromimetic effects.

Journal of Endocrinology (1995) 145, 291–297
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ottonis said:
and what in this formula is it that gives that much of "CLEAN energy"?
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clean to me equals jitter free...i don't feel twisted up/turned sideways, etc.

like i said i am pyramiding the Methyl ICE and am up to 3 pills a day spread out by 3-4 hours. i am also monitoring my intake of other stimulants like the label says to. i am sweating like crazy all day!
 
reseda18760 said:
clean to me equals jitter free...i don't feel twisted up/turned sideways, etc.

like i said i am pyramiding the Methyl ICE and am up to 3 pills a day spread out by 3-4 hours. i am also monitoring my intake of other stimulants like the label says to. i am sweating like crazy all day!
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products that combine stims with thyroid hormones are banned by FDA. Theoretically, this company / product could be raided any day.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Yet another supp surrounded by 1,3, damn.

As for 3,5... I like the addition, but it is about the cheapest ingredient... and wondering how the natural thyroid suppression was circumvented.
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in the research i have done i have found 3,5 to be crazy expensive!
i know it goes for a couple hundred bucks per GRAM!!
it is sold on some bio-pharmaceutical websites.
i was looking into it as an alternative to T3 specifically b/c of the non-suppression.

DAdams91982 what do you think about 1,3 ?
 
reseda18760 said:
in the research i have done i have found 3,5 to be crazy expensive!
i know it goes for a couple hundred bucks per GRAM!!
it is sold on some bio-pharmaceutical websites.
i was looking into it as an alternative to T3 specifically b/c of the non-suppression.
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that's what it costs you to get 100% what you pay for. Of course the good bro from China will offer you "3,5" for 10 Dollars per gram, but you will never know what he sold to you.
 
reseda18760 said:
in the research i have done i have found 3,5 to be crazy expensive!
i know it goes for a couple hundred bucks per GRAM!!
it is sold on some bio-pharmaceutical websites.
i was looking into it as an alternative to T3 specifically b/c of the non-suppression.

DAdams91982 what do you think about 1,3 ?
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I hate 1,3... I personally think it is a terrible supplement, and relitively useless for fatloss. Energy? Sure, but fatloss, no.

I have found 3,5 for less than a bill a gram... (I have designed supps and sourced). lets put this in perspective. With the safe upper end of dosing per cap being no more than 100mcg, you are getting 10K pills per gram. My quote was for 1 single solitary gram... add in a volume discount and it become even cheaper. 3,5 shows results and is extremely cheap... the only lose is the thyroid suppression issue that the writeup is wrong about.
 
reseda18760 said:
clean to me equals jitter free...i don't feel twisted up/turned sideways, etc.

like i said i am pyramiding the Methyl ICE and am up to 3 pills a day spread out by 3-4 hours. i am also monitoring my intake of other stimulants like the label says to. i am sweating like crazy all day!
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I have to say it: Every single one of your posts here on AM you are praising Redefined Nutrition almost like you're a rep for them. Any comment on this?
If not, cool; however, if you are, there are rules that you will need to look over in regards to promoting on this site, whereas non-sponsored company reps must follow. If it was not for the fact that you have been very vocal about the company, and its products, I would not have red-flags in my mind.

Example:
reseda18760 said:
the "TREN" in the FINAFLEX will DEFINITELY help you with your cutting cycle, that as well as the Estrogen Blocker which helps cut down on water retention. Just make sure you are eating clean clean clean. FINAFLEX is worth checking out for sure.

On a side note....
I would still run Himalaya Liver Care on top just to be safe (even though FINAFLEX contains 500mg of NAC/Milk Thistle/and Ascorbic Acid per Pill), and 100mg CoQ10, FLAX Seed Oil, and 600mg Red Yeast Rice to help combat the HDL drop caused by the Superdrol.
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reseda18760 said:
finaflex 550-xd is GREAT.
1st week better pumps
2nd week noticeable strength gains
3rd week strength through the ROOF!
also muscles pumped by 3rd set of whatever body part you are working.
4th week - cuts coming in - veins popping out everywhere AND noticeable reduction in belly fat -

the estrogen blocker kept my tits from being sore AND kept the water weight off me - i put on 7 pounds and looked LEAN
of course my diet was about 95% clean, my only downfall is Syntha-6 and Jif Crunchy Peanut Butter, the JIF is like crack! lol

IMO FINAFLEX 550-XD is the hottest prohormone on the market
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reseda18760 said:
finaflex is back in stock EVERYWHERE. i read that PA tests all their products...
i agree with you FINAFLEX is definitely the ****!!!!
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reseda18760 said:
METHYL ICE IS HERE

METHYL ICE by REDEFINE NUTRITION

Following the success of FINAFLEX 550-XD and PCT Revolution, Redefine Nutrition introduces METHYL ICE, the Next Generation of Weight Loss Supplementation.

Redefine Nutrition worked for over a year to perfect the Proprietary Blend of ingredients found in METHYL ICE instead of rushing another "me too" fat burner to the market like some companies do.

METHYL ICE is an advanced weight loss supplement featuring a synergestic matrix of the most effective and exotic ingredients found on the market today.

The proprietary matrix found in METHYL ICE produces a thermogenic environment that is unmatched by any other product ever introduced.

Redefine Nutrition's rigorous testing protocols allow for only the purest and most bioavailable forms of the ingredients to be used in the production of METHYL ICE.

The final product produces a clean and vibrant energy that lasts for HOURS coupled with an increased resting metabolic rate that incinerates adipose tissue (fat).

To top it off METHYL ICE contains a liver detoxification formula that allows for not only effective but safe weight loss.

Redefine EVERYTHING, Redefine Yourself with METHYL ICE!

WHAT IS METHYL ICE?

THERMOGENIC ENERGY AMPLIFICATION:

- Thiamine Disulfide Butyrate is one of the best stimulant based ingredients available today. Allows for clean and clear energy amplification without the common �gitters�

- Theobromine (Cocoa Extract) can be the key to the success or failure of many thermogenic fat burners. Methyl ICE contains the ideal amount of Cocoa Extract which allows users to reap the benefits of this powerful stimulant for hours at a time.

- 1,3 Dimethylamylamine is the ultimate ingredient available for the thermogenisis of adipose (FAT) tissue in the body. Combining all the tenets that define an �ultimate� fat burning compound including long lasting duration of appetite suppression, mental clarity, focus, and what some users describe as �enlightenment�. Methyl ICE contains the purest form of 1,3 Dimethyl available.

THYROID STIMULATION BLEND:

- 3,5 Diiodo-L Thyronine was once a patented ingredient used in the treatment of Thyroid Cancer. This compound remains unmatched in its ability to stimulate thyroid production (hyper) without impeding the natural thyroid function (hypo). Methyl ICE contains a stable form of this incredibly expensive ingredient.

- N-acetyl-L-tyrosine allows for accelerated creation of thyroid hormones in the body due to the heightened absorbtion rate and bioavailability of the amino acid.

WATER EXPULSION MATRIX:

- Dandelion Root and Vitamin B6 work together to keep water retention low during the fat burning cycle allowing for the �dry� and �hard� look.

LIVER DETOXIFICATION

- Methyl ICE promotes safe and effective weight loss by adding a combination of N-acetyl-cystenine, silymarin (milk thistle), and Vitamin C which at the appropriate levels will engage the liver in Stage 1 Detoxification.

I have been on it for about 2 weeks now...CLEAN energy....i think the T2 is real because i am sweating like CRAZY!

i am pyramid cycling the Methyl ICE. I am LOVING IT!!
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It appears that you are trolling, in my opinion.
 
i am a store owner.
5 years in the biz.
i have sold all the HOT products since opening...all the andros, lipodrene when it was huge, legal gear methyl masterdrol, halodrol-50, original venom...etc, etc, etc.
i have sold more Redefine Nutrition products (especially FINAFLEX 550-xd) than ANYTHING i have ever put on the shelves! i hardly ever get on the net...so if i am violating any rules by saying the products are awesome, i apologize! just got on and saw someone ask about the Methyl ICE so I copied and pasted from nutraplanet! if i do want to "rep" for the company should i contact the company or just start posting in another section? thanks for the info!!
 
No. We get a lot of vendors here posing as consumers for the sole purpose of free advertisement. If you are just gung-ho about their products, then rock on. Welcome - I hope you enjoy AM!
reseda18760 said:
i am a store owner.
5 years in the biz.
i have sold all the HOT products since opening...all the andros, lipodrene when it was huge, legal gear methyl masterdrol, halodrol-50, original venom...etc, etc, etc.
i have sold more Redefine Nutrition products (especially FINAFLEX 550-xd) than ANYTHING i have ever put on the shelves! i hardly ever get on the net...so if i am violating any rules by saying the products are awesome, i apologize! just got on and saw someone ask about the Methyl ICE so I copied and pasted from nutraplanet! if i do want to "rep" for the company should i contact the company or just start posting in another section? thanks for the info!!
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I would like to know if anyone else has experienced a dry cough/rhaspy throat that dissipates after the first few hours of taking SX even with adaquate water intake.
 
Call me stupid but I just started back on it today, two bottles to go. I do experience a "dry throat" after a few hours of taking it. What I dont like though is it does'nt feel the same as the "orginal formula" they were using when it first came out, they changed it a few times im guessing as the mgs went from (if i recall correctly) 500 to 450. The appetite suppression is still great, if your not careful you wont even think about eating. Still waiting as to figure out if it will make me grind my teeth like the original formula did...yes it made me grind my teeth and do something to my jaw because at one point I thought I experienced lockjaw.

Just wanted to tell everyone how the last batch of pills were turning out for "me". Iv been keeping up with these threads about AX and IF they mysteriously hid a designer drug in it and tried to cover it up I do admit that was wrong on their part but Im still backing AX and hopes everything gets straighted out on this situation because they are a great company.

This is just my .02 cents people

By the way, loving the forum :head:
 
SX was the **** #1 stacked with Lean xtreme! I went from 200 to 178lbs in 45 days running 1 pill of SX and 2 of LX! That was awesome plus the clean energy all day long! Nothing else compares, I could not take anything else with caffeine or I would feel like crap but other then that no sides!

Edit.. Since this stack I went on a cruise and put 10 lbs back on and now I want to run it again damn it!!!!
 
Routine...diet...it takes a long time and requires gratuitous amounts of patience that not everyone is willing to swallow.

Heck thats the cornerstone of the supplement industry...gives you results faster so you can achieve more within a given amount of time.

For some people putting a "potentially" harmful substance in ur body is worth the risk if it will give you the desired results. Sometimes its hard to think of the long haul as a whole when your are consumed by ur current goals.

When it all boils down to it.....lifting itself is potentially injurious...heck im saying potentially to be nice...getting injured is almost enevitable. So if there are those who wanna throw caution to the wind to get that extra edge for a limited amount of time, I wont judge them just cause i dont want to adopt a similar course of action.

We all take risks in different areas of life....so who am i to say that my risks are better then your risks. I can use scientific data to support why someone else's risks may have a higher probability of injury or death, but once again since its only probable and not fact the debate will always be there.
 
when i was younger even most doctors smoked cigarettes. i never knew anyone who smoked a cigarette and died on the spot. everyone smoked even in hospitals. then we found out cigarettes were harmful and most stopped, but many would not see the damage done for many years to come. just because you don't see the damage from slimx today, doesn't mean it's not there. but just like cigarettes the warning is there, it's up to you.
 
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Iron lungz, I did Diet for 2 months prior to that, then I continued dieting while running the SX/LX stack. This is with Diet control, and staples such as fish-oil/flax-oil/vitamins but im not including staples as the only change in my diet routine was the addition of SX/LX.
 
Ah hell you can die of lung cancer and never smoked a cig in your life! I dont think anyone has died from SX yet...... I hope they dont as I would like to run it again in the future! I have never been as clear headed and alert as I was on this stack. What the hell was in this ****? Crack?
 
wolverine1971 said:
small chance of what?

Hydroxycut had disclaimers on their products and it's not getting them off the hook for damages right now.

I'm not going to waste my time taking something like this to a trial court. I've got better things to do. If it comes back that they included a harmful substance then there will be 1000 people that will want to add their name to a class action lawsuit and there are probably some people out there that need the money that will take the time to get it going. I don't need the money.

I don't need to clam up about anything - it's all been disclosed in a very in depth FDA report 6 weeks ago. I have nothing to hide.

I guess some of you are still under the impression that they just pulled this off on a whim? AX is taking heat that they have not disclosed to anyone.
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Where is this FDA report?
 
Here's my take on 2 caps of Methyl-Ice vs. 1 cap of SlimX:

- Hits harder and faster than SlimXtreme
- Lasts a long time, but certainly not as long as SX
- I could do without the 3,5 and diuretics

I don't take these products for "weight loss" but rather the mental benefits. In that regard, I really like this product. Just wish they had a version sns the thyroid stimulators, etc.. And anyone that believes 3,5 doesn't cause shutdown, c'mon. Maybe milder than Rx T3 or T4 but don't kid yourself.
 
As one guy was saying in an earlier post its not hard for people to want to just throw caution out the window if they can reach there goal, I mean the difference in cigs and sx is what did you really think you would get out of cigs?...a buzz maybe and some cancer, but sx you know what it can do so the outcome is alot better although we still dont know whats in it.

Its all just a game of ethics, sure its bad to injest something we know might be potentially harmful but lets hope the outcome would outweigh that. You cant stop everybody.
 
ephedroman said:
As one guy was saying in an earlier post its not hard for people to want to just throw caution out the window if they can reach there goal, I mean the difference in cigs and sx is what did you really think you would get out of cigs?...a buzz maybe and some cancer, but sx you know what it can do so the outcome is alot better although we still dont know whats in it.

Its all just a game of ethics, sure its bad to injest something we know might be potentially harmful but lets hope the outcome would outweigh that. You cant stop everybody.
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exactly, look at how many people still smoke, even with the knowledge and warnings that it IS harmful. you can take a horse to water......
 
thebigt said:
exactly, look at how many people still smoke, even with the knowledge and warnings that it IS harmful. you can take a horse to water......
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Yeh, and when they get cancer their like "How did this happen?". I cant say much though because I just took an sx this morning, so ideally I would be the pot calling the kettle black although we STILL dont know whats in it.
 
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