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AX d/c products??!!??!?!

Tell ya what; give me a list of current supplements that you're taking and link me their complete ingredient profile and you tell me what each of these do to you as a singular product and then combined with their synergistic effects. Now tell me in what dose they are acceptable and what all the side effects are. I would be willing to bet that most do not have these answers. They are looking for two things: 1. Effects and 2. Effects. If DNP were legal it would sell like hotcakes

How many threads do you read here where people consume 2x 3x 4x+ of the recommended dose as well as stacking it with other products that have little to no evidence in a real world environment.

Look at how the people are sacrificing college funds to get in on these liquidation sales on the same products we're discussing (minus SX which can still be found out there)

This isn't the same as buying turkey and it being chicken. That solely falls on the manufacturer because you know chicken and you know turkey. My point is that this industry is mostly filled with nomenclature and ingredients that hardly anyone has any educated information on. Now, that being said, it doesn’t remove liability from the company. What it also doesn't do is relieve you of your responsibility.

The rep told me
The bottle said
The logs said
These are some of the more commonly used reasons of 'trust' put on items with almost zero understanding by the consumer(yes there are exceptions). I'm wondering if this same blind trust is placed elsewhere in people's lives except for religion. People leave faith to worshiping your God not to what you're ingesting in your bodies.
 
Just saying, it's hard to research an ingredient when they do not put it on the label.

My thinking is that the outsource may be the blame. Possibly some wool over the eyes of AX. They may only be guilty of careless actions rather than purposely trying to harm anyone.....but, who knows....just stating
 
1. I continued to use as many others were reporting the same issues
2. The advice i was given was either "its normal" or "cycle your dosing protocol". 3. I was told on a number of occasions this would pass as different people respond differently to different compounds
4. Silly me for taking the word of the official representatives of a global supplement company.
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So basically, you had symptoms you were fine subjecting yourself continually to and regardless of actual blood work and doctor diagnosis, you just decided it was 'normal' because some bros said so? How would this have changed things if it said something else besides proline analog? To me your answers here reinforce my point that people just casually 'research' products solely off what they say they are and not much more.


Let me add that i'm throwing myself into this as well. It isn't a soapbox but an obersation how we should look at our practices and adjust ourselves accordingly. I was pissed when the whole Venom thing came to light but after I sat back and took a breath I realized I was spewing fire in the wrong direction. Regardless of what they said in their write-up I know how I felt and I know how I reacted but the bottom line was i was willing to put myself through it for the results.
 
impulseoctane said:
Are you kidding me? I am a huge advocate of "personal responsibility". I am incredible conservative, and support "hands off" policies ie. let the companies do what they want without much regulations.

But personal responsibility in this situation is absurd. That's like me selling you "turkey" and you go home to your family, serve them all this "turkey" for dinner to find out it's ground up dog. Who's at fault? Me or you? Exactly. I find it incredibly ignorant, uneducated, and flat out stupid to blame the consumers here, Jayhawkk.

Don't pass the blame onto the consumers on this one. If you're selling a product, disclose what you're selling. It's not like they had a label that said "We are hiding ingredients, take at your own risk"; the labels should fully disclose what's in the product. I don't think they should need to talk about amounts, though it would be nice; but at least tell me everything I'm taking.

I'm also not attacking solely AX here, but all supplement companies.
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I don't think you quite understood his point. He's not disagreeing that "what's in the bottle should be in the bottle". I don't think anyone in their right mind would disagree with that. If the way the ingredients are listed (creative nomenclature) make it impossible to research what's actually in the bottle, then the consumer is still taking a risk and assumes some sort of responsibility if he takes it and for a prolonged period of time.


On the bigger picture I think we all agree...it should be listed and you should know what you're taking. Thats just common sense.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Tell ya what; give me a list of current supplements that you're taking and link me their complete ingredient profile and you tell me what each of these do to you as a singular product and then combined with their synergistic effects. Now tell me in what dose they are acceptable and what all the side effects are. I would be willing to bet that most do not have these answers. They are looking for two things: 1. Effects and 2. Effects. If DNP were legal it would sell like hotcakes

How many threads do you read here where people consume 2x 3x 4x+ of the recommended dose as well as stacking it with other products that have little to no evidence in a real world environment.

Look at how the people are sacrificing college funds to get in on these liquidation sales on the same products we're discussing (minus SX which can still be found out there)

This isn't the same as buying turkey and it being chicken. That solely falls on the manufacturer because you know chicken and you know turkey. My point is that this industry is mostly filled with nomenclature and ingredients that hardly anyone has any educated information on. Now, that being said, it doesn’t remove liability from the company. What it also doesn't do is relieve you of your responsibility.

The rep told me
The bottle said
The logs said
These are some of the more commonly used reasons of 'trust' put on items with almost zero understanding by the consumer(yes there are exceptions). I'm wondering if this same blind trust is placed elsewhere in people's lives except for religion. People leave faith to worshiping your God not to what you're ingesting in your bodies.
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You missed my point, and the point of most others in this thread I think.

I'm not talking about the people who took 10 SX a day, along side their Bronkaid, and 2 grams of caffeine. I'm talking about the person who buys a product, follows the directions on the label, and was blatantly lied to.

The point I'm making is: You as a consumer are not responsible if you follow the mis-leading and false label. Now, if you're not following guidelines, not doing your research, not taking the proper precautions; you're at fault.

And explain to me how buying turkey and having it be chicken is ANY different than buying whey and having it be creatine. :think: (Broad examples..) It's not. And if you're trying to fight me on this, your just further proving your ignorance.

Finally, wtf does religion have to do with anything here? Stay on topic, shall we?
 
Cosmo Kramer said:
I don't think you quite understood his point. He's not disagreeing that "what's in the bottle should be in the bottle". I don't think anyone in their right mind would disagree with that. If the way the ingredients are listed (creative nomenclature) make it impossible to research what's actually in the bottle, then the consumer is still taking a risk and assumes some sort of responsibility if he takes it and for a prolonged period of time.


On the bigger picture I think we all agree...it should be listed and you should know what you're taking. Thats just common sense.
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Then I guess I'm not sure why he's defending the companies that are lying to their consumers.
 
impulseoctane said:
Y Now, if you're not following guidelines, not doing your research, not taking the proper precautions; you're at fault.
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I think that was his entire point.


The ingredients listed on the product had a creative form of labeling which makes it impossible to know for sure what you are taking, therefore you as a consumer are still taking a risk.

Who here researched Aminoslim-4 and can tell me what it is?
 
impulseoctane said:
Then I guess I'm not sure why he's defending the companies that are lying to their consumers.
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Last time I checked, his first sentence stated that they should be held accountable. Correct?

"While I agree that supplement companies putting in different than advertised ingredients should be held accountable, "
 
Cosmo Kramer said:
I think that was his entire point.
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Then I think we're saying the same thing, just differently.

The ingredients listed on the product had a creative form of labeling which makes it impossible to know for sure what you are taking, therefore you as a consumer are still taking a risk.

Who here researched Aminoslim-4 and can tell me what it is?
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It's 4 amino acids. Tyrosine, Proline, Tryptophan, and Carnitine. Literally took me less than 15 seconds.

AminoSlim-4 is a combination of four energizing amino acids (Tyrosine, Proline, Tryptophan, and Carnitine) that have been structurally enhanced to create a powerful fat burning, mood elevating, and appetite suppressing effect. Working synergistically with the smart nutrient Aniracetam, AminoSlim-4 increases well-being, wakefulness, physical arousal, energy, and your body’s ability to adapt to stress…something we all deal with every day, and hey, who couldn’t use a little help with that! AminoSlim-4 also compliments Cha-de Bugre by further controlling any hunger cravings you may have while working with Cocoa Seed Concentrates to melt away even more body fat, faster!
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Cosmo Kramer said:
Last time I checked, his first sentence stated that they should be held accountable. Correct?

"While I agree that supplement companies putting in different than advertised ingredients should be held accountable, "
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He was also mentioning personal responsibility; if he was referring to overdosing, etc, and just didn't mention it, or I misread it, my bad. It's not the consumers fault if the product is mis-labeled.
 
impulseoctane said:
You missed my point, and the point of most others in this thread I think.

I'm not talking about the people who took 10 SX a day, along side their Bronkaid, and 2 grams of caffeine. I'm talking about the person who buys a product, follows the directions on the label, and was blatantly lied to.

The point I'm making is: You as a consumer are not responsible if you follow the mis-leading and false label. Now, if you're not following guidelines, not doing your research, not taking the proper precautions; you're at fault.

And explain to me how buying turkey and having it be chicken is ANY different than buying whey and having it be creatine. :think: (Broad examples..) It's not. And if you're trying to fight me on this, your just further proving your ignorance.

Finally, wtf does religion have to do with anything here? Stay on topic, shall we?
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Comparing chicken and turkey and most of these ingredients are different because anyone can spend 5 minutes and know everything about chicken, what it does and which bread is best served with it. Let's say the 'proline analog' was completely accurate. How many people buying and consuming(even at proper doses) can explain what it is and how it reacts to the other ingredients and in your body? So, my point is that even the educated consumer is still taking huge risks with their health when taking a lot of these products.

The religion comment was in reference to faith... It was an attempt to be a little funny...

For those who had answers to all of my questions are completely aware of what they take; this is not for you.

My statements of opinion are directed at people in one thread talking about taking 200 dollars a month in supplements or 20 times the rec. dose and in the next losing their minds because a product had an undisclosed ingredient in it instead of the unknown ingredient(to them) that it was supposed to have.
 
impulseoctane said:
It's 4 amino acids. Tyrosine, Proline, Tryptophan, and Carnitine. Literally took me less than 15 seconds.
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Actually their label states proline analog.....which is the substance in question. Aminoslim-4 contains a proline analog.

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Look at the label. Read the asterisk.

A combination of amino acid derivatives (Acetylated Tyrosine, Carnitine Salt, Proline Analog, Hydroxylated Tryptophan) specifically engineered and time release enhanced.

He was also mentioning personal responsibility; if he was referring to overdosing, etc, and just didn't mention it, or I misread it, my bad. It's not the consumers fault if the product is mis-labeled.
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He was responding to someone who took it for 3 months.
 
mark427 said:
Have you been told anything about when the consuming public is going to hear anything from Anabolic Xtreme as far as the thousands and thousand of caps we have ingested and the thousand and thousands more that are out there and available?

Last word from AX was that they're 100% safe but a few of us are uneasy given that this 100% safe product has ceased production, halted sales, pulled their sponsored message board on AM, took down info about the product from their site, had their entire line pulled from bb.com, took down the forum on their company website, and hasn't given us one word of information since.

So jim623, do you have access to the cave everyone is hiding in? Do you still feel comfortable giving these to your wife?

In a previous thread, in the forum AX has now asked to be hidden from the main page, you - jim623 - said you "know what's in it." Care to elaborate?
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wow-this just may be best post of the year. only i would give jim credit for at least having the balls to come on here and respond. props to both mark and jim.
 
Jayhawkk said:
For those who had answers to all of my questions are completely aware of what they take; this is not for you.

My statements of opinion are directed at people in one thread talking about taking 200 dollars a month in supplements or 20 times the rec. dose and in the next losing their minds because a product had an undisclosed ingredient in it instead of the unknown ingredient(to them) that it was supposed to have.
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Then I guess we're saying the same thing, differently. If that's the case, then I apologize for calling you out on it. I thought you were saying it's the average consumers responsibility to research ingredients that aren't disclosed.
 
I dont understand why people get so mad at the supplement companies for this happening... Its not like they had a sneaky plan to lace all the supplements with illegal/prescription drugs...90 percent of the time its the source (china for example) that has bad stuff... Obviously the supplement companies should be held accountable but if they follow the rules for testing there products (hopefully they did) then we cant blame them...
 
JaredGalloway said:
I dont understand why people get so mad at the supplement companies for this happening... Its not like they had a sneaky plan to lace all the supplements with illegal/prescription drugs...90 percent of the time its the source (china for example) that has bad stuff... Obviously the supplement companies should be held accountable but if they follow the rules for testing there products (hopefully they did) then we cant blame them...
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If only a company could figure out if there were some way to test the raws after they arrived from China...that company would probably never have a spiked product!

:rolleyes:
 
mark427 said:
If only a company could figure out if there were some way to test the raws after they arrived from China...that company would probably never have a spiked product!

:rolleyes:
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Softball, out of the park....
 
impulseoctane said:
Then I think we're saying the same thing, just differently.



It's 4 amino acids. Tyrosine, Proline, Tryptophan, and Carnitine. Literally took me less than 15 seconds.




He was also mentioning personal responsibility; if he was referring to overdosing, etc, and just didn't mention it, or I misread it, my bad. It's not the consumers fault if the product is mis-labeled.
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You can research it but that doesn't allow one to know, fully, the risk. And, what is a proline analog?
 
thebigt said:
wow-this just may be best post of the year. only i would give jim credit for at least having the balls to come on here and respond. props to both mark and jim.
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I don't like to see this out of control, all I want to do is keep things calm until a statement is made. I know you keep hearing the same thing about said statement. There will be one soon. How soon, I don't know. All I can say is I'm here now and I'll be here when the statement is made. If you need to let loose some anger, let me have it man. I'll be the sacrificial goat or chicken if you prefer.
 
JaredGalloway said:
I dont understand why people get so mad at the supplement companies for this happening... Its not like they had a sneaky plan to lace all the supplements with illegal/prescription drugs...90 percent of the time its the source (china for example) that has bad stuff... Obviously the supplement companies should be held accountable but if they follow the rules for testing there products (hopefully they did) then we cant blame them...
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IF I ONLY had a dollar for each time this has been uttered, i'd be stinking rich.

If I had 1000 dollars for each time it was done at all or done correctly, I'd probably have a few thousand lying around.
 
jim623 said:
I don't like to see this out of control, all I want to do is keep things calm until a statement is made. I know you keep hearing the same thing about said statement. There will be one soon. How soon, I don't know. All I can say is I'm here now and I'll be here when the statement is made. If you need to let loose some anger, let me have it man. I'll be the sacrificial goat or chicken if you prefer.
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You shouldn't face the firing squad when YOU have done no criime.
 
Cosmo Kramer said:
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Light reading.
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Haha. I know about the analog. I posted that link last night, somewhere around here. I was only attempting to drop a few points that the majority, while reading up on supplements will say 'what the hell is this stuff'
 
jim623 said:
Well, I was one of the reps saying it was safe so....
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It's one thing to say, "I trust this is safe and I take it myself because I trust the folks I rep for and I don't believe they would make a product that is anything other than what they say it is."

It's another thing to say, "Hi, I'm an obnoxious, unflappable, arrogant schmuck. I know exactly what is in SX but I won't tell you. When I decide you are worthy of having the truth revealed to you, you will all have to apologize to me but you probably won't because you're all cowards and pussies. These allegations are unfounded!*"


* - If, however, it turns out that these allegations were legitimate enough for us to cease production, halt sales, ask to have our AM message board link removed from the homepage, take down our own SX site, take down our own website forum...then...umm...yeah, I'm going to hide like a bitch."

Jim623 - you belong to the former group.
 
jim623 said:
I don't like to see this out of control, all I want to do is keep things calm until a statement is made. I know you keep hearing the same thing about said statement. There will be one soon. How soon, I don't know. All I can say is I'm here now and I'll be here when the statement is made. If you need to let loose some anger, let me have it man. I'll be the sacrificial goat or chicken if you prefer.
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jim, calm down man. i was giving you props for being man enough to at least tell us what you know. no anger towards you-i promise, you have always been as honest as possible, and when you didn't know you said so. hope you land on your feet, you seem like a decent guy.
 
jim623 said:
Well, I was one of the reps saying it was safe so....
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Are you a chemist or biophysicist or were you basing your info on the sales training provided by one of the most highly reputable supplement companies in the market? I suspect the latter.

And regarding the controversy, I'm not drawing conclusions til more facts are known.
 
thats right..when something comes back tainted, blame china...lol...
i bet thats their 'go to' line when anything goes wrong...

how about companies actually test their stuff when their websites, reps, labels say they do.
 
keeper said:
Are you a chemist or biophysicist or were you basing your info on the sales training provided by one of the most highly reputable supplement companies in the market? I suspect the latter.
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Eh, I wouldn't go that far.

I will say that Jim is the only one man enough to post anything in regards to AX. He and I have talked a lot since he arrived here at AM, and will say that he is one of the better guys out there.

Hey guys, maybe we will get a new version of SX... Yeah, I can see it now: Slim Xtreme-NG! ;) Just a little humor, Jim - laugh a little, man.
 
keeper said:
Are you a chemist or biophysicist or were you basing your info on the sales training provided by one of the most highly reputable supplement companies in the market? I suspect the latter.

And regarding the controversy, I'm not drawing conclusions til more facts are known.
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Thank you for your support keeper.

Also, to everyone else, I thank you for allowing me to talk to you about this ordeal. Even though I really have no new information for you.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Eh, I wouldn't go that far.

I will say that Jim is the only one man enough to post anything in regards to AX. He and I have talked a lot since he arrived here at AM, and will say that he is one of the better guys out there.

Hey guys, maybe we will get a new version of SX... Yeah, I can see it now: Slim Xtreme-NG! ;) Just a little humor, Jim - laugh a little, man.
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Pop shot, lol.
 
steam said:
thats right..when something comes back tainted, blame china...lol...
i bet thats their 'go to' line when anything goes wrong...

how about companies actually test their stuff when their websites, reps, labels say they do.
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Well, I understood, a doctor had tested it for amphetamines early on and said it was clear. Don't quote me on that now cause I don't know who he is.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Eh, I wouldn't go that far.

I will say that Jim is the only one man enough to post anything in regards to AX. He and I have talked a lot since he arrived here at AM, and will say that he is one of the better guys out there.

Hey guys, maybe we will get a new version of SX... Yeah, I can see it now: Slim Xtreme-NG! ;) Just a little humor, Jim - laugh a little, man.
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yeah, i don't get it. jim is one of the good guys. btw a month ago how many of these guys on here would have jumped at the chance to rep for anabolic extreme?
 
Still reading... I've killed two kittens so far. As well as formed an opinion that no chemical substance is meant to be spoken out loud. The naming process is enough to cause insanity.
 
thebigt said:
yeah, i don't get it. jim is one of the good guys. btw a month ago how many of these guys on here would have jumped at the chance to rep for anabolic extreme?
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You've got a point bigt. I was fortunate enough to land this gig, that's why I have to try and stand here. I still represent AX and want to do everything I can to keep you guys happy.
 
keeper said:
Are you a chemist or biophysicist or were you basing your info on the sales training provided by one of the most highly reputable supplement companies in the market? I suspect the latter.

And regarding the controversy, I'm not drawing conclusions til more facts are known.
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not a very accurate statement... at least in my opinion.

BTW- Did ax ever say they tested their raws? I think there does need to be regulation and requirements on these types of things. Not just PH, but as we are seeing now, everything.
 
jim623 said:
You've got a point bigt. I was fortunate enough to land this gig, that's why I have to try and stand here. I still represent AX and want to do everything I can to keep you guys happy.
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haha, i was just thinking, a month ago repping for anabolic extreme would be like working for general motors in the 70's. today repping for anabolic extreme is, well like working for general motors today.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
not a very accurate statement... at least in my opinion.

BTW- Did ax ever say they tested their raws? I think there does need to be regulation and requirements on these types of things. Not just PH, but as we are seeing now, everything.
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Ha! Like they say... opinions are like ***holes. Everybody has one.

(and yours is respected... opinion, that is.)

My experience with AX has been good. But I understand that will vary from person to person, as will any product line.
 
for what its worth anyone looking to get rid of any excess slim xtreme please pm me. I'll pay for it. np and everywhere else stopped selling it. I want it.
 
benj851 said:
for what its worth anyone looking to get rid of any excess slim xtreme please pm me. I'll pay for it. np and everywhere else stopped selling it. I want it.
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Did it occur to you that there is a reason everyone stopped selling it?

Have you processed any of the words written on the subject in recent days?

I have a good amount of this stuff and have enjoyed it in the past but I am not about to ingest it again until there is some level of clarity.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Does AppNut test ALL of their raws and have a COA for them? Just curious.
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I am not AN nor involved anything outside of the rep position. Is that a sincere question or just a smart ass remark? If it is sincere I will answer, otherwise if not I was making a personal statement, nothing related towards AN.

we are Dshea compliant and are in a Cgmp facility if that means anything to you.
 
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