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inter-racial relationships

I know how it goes. I got the interracial thing going over here. Wife's a Beijinger. Frankly, I get more stares over there than here. That's probably because I'm almost a foot taller than everyone over there and being bulky also makes you stand out. Over here, it's as if no one really notices. I imagine the white male/asian felame couple probably flies under the radar moreso than a black/white couple or white/mexican couple might. I dunno.
 
just out of interest, what is the most common inter-racial couple in America?
some have said it's between white american male and asian female while others have said it's between black american male and white american female.
 
BoyFromAus said:
just out of interest, what is the most common inter-racial couple in America?
some have said it's between white american male and asian female while others have said it's between black american male and white american female.
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Depends on the region. For example, here on the west coast it may be white male/asian female, while in Kentucky it's white male/goat.:lol:
 
roids1 said:
I imagine the white male/Asian felame couple probably flies under the radar moreso than a black/white couple or white/mexican couple might. I dunno.
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i agree, i think most people don't even recognize Asians as "non-white". you're in Alabama too, how's the black/white things down there these days? i lived in Tuscaloosa for a summer and you could still feel some tension. still that way?
 
I'm black and 1/4 native american from the south. My paternal grandfather was full blooded Sioux or Cree or something.
And a woman's race does not matter if she can deal with my halfwit scatterbrained antics.
However I have gotten strange looks in public and harsh words from older family members when I am with a woman who is not black.
I remember a couple of times in college where I was dating different women and on a couple of family occasions i took them because that was the custom in the family
And each time the woman was not black I got blazed out about how since I went to school black women must not be good enough for me and how I was uppity.

Which is funny because most of my family my generation at least one generation back was college educated and had earned at least a Bachelors or higher.

i owe my philosophy to my mom.
She had so many friends of different cultures/ethnicities when I was growing up that whenever I visited her I got to mingle with different folks.
 
rubberring said:
Great post, man... but that line made me :lol:
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lol.
Just what I was told by some of my uncles.
The girls seem to have gotten the physical traits though,
 
For those who care......that was one of the better dates i've had in a while, just got back. we're going to go out again as well.
 
lennoxchi said:
For those who care......that was one of the better dates i've had in a while, just got back. we're going to go out again as well.
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Of course, I'm interested... oh, wait... gotta go, time to watch the paint dry on my nephew's model car.:run:
 
GMG760 said:
Again, I live in Southern California, one of the most liberal places in this country... so it might be a little different in the bible belt than here.
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I have a serious problem with any Christian family that acts racist in any way. That's far from anything the Bible teaches; heck, it's ironic. My savior is Jewish.

On the other hand, it also bothers me when individuals, or largely the political left, screams racism at any chance they have. Most of these people don't even know what the hell racism is. People need to stop wearing their race on their sleeve.

I've had a fling with a black girl, but never dated one. I've met some beautiful black women that I was almost too scared to ask out, and that never happens with me! ha.

Heck, I'll just put it out here. I'm a culturalist, not a racist. If you are some thug POS, and I don't care what color (but most of the time these folks are black or hispanic), and you feel like you're entitled to everything I've worked hard for, you can go screw yourself. - Everyone else is cool with me. :)

I used to be racist as hell, but it was more out of protection for myself. I lived in the Southside of Chicago, and even at the age of 9 or 10, I'd get picked on by gangs of black guys (those were the only ones that messed with me). After a while, you kind of start to keep your eye out for the people that "look" like they'd mess with you. It was their own fault I was racist. Since living in Florida, I've chilled out quite a bit.
 
lennoxchi said:
i agree, i think most people don't even recognize Asians as "non-white". you're in Alabama too, how's the black/white things down there these days? i lived in Tuscaloosa for a summer and you could still feel some tension. still that way?
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Doesn't seem like it much anymore. It seems like the most common interracial couple here is black male/while female. Still lot's of asianF/whiteM. When I was a kid, people would whisper "psst, was that white woman with that black guy!!" :laugh2:
 
Irish Cannon said:
Heck, I'll just put it out here. I'm a culturalist, not a racist. If you are some thug POS, and I don't care what color (but most of the time these folks are black or hispanic), and you feel like you're entitled to everything I've worked hard for, you can go screw yourself. - Everyone else is cool with me. :)
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Which is, in my opinion, a perfectly logical and acceptable position. So long as you are judging them as per individual behavior, and not merely their dress and so forth, then I am with you. (I say not judging on dress, as I know some people who dress like *******s but are engaging, intelligent people.) I despise the viewpoint that all cultural tendencies must be respected by proxy, merely because they are cultural; and/or the contention that if you disagree with a person's "culture" it is exclusively because you can't fathom to understand it.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Which is, in my opinion, a perfectly logical and acceptable position. So long as you are judging them as per individual behavior, and not merely their dress and so forth, then I am with you. (I say not judging on dress, as I know some people who dress like *******s but are engaging, intelligent people.) I despise the viewpoint that all cultural tendencies must be respected by proxy, merely because they are cultural; and/or the contention that if you disagree with a person's "culture" it is exclusively because you can't fathom to understand it.
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Attire has nothing to do with it. I actually knew a very cool, intelligent guy that dressed like a thug just to enjoy the reactions. I thought that was awesome. It was almost an ongoing sociological experiment for him. :18:
 
I pity the drones. Programmed, no will of their own, drones.

MFs dont know how to wipe their arse without being told.

What kind of existance is that????




. . . . GICH!
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Which is, in my opinion, a perfectly logical and acceptable position. So long as you are judging them as per individual behavior, and not merely their dress and so forth, then I am with you. (I say not judging on dress, as I know some people who dress like *******s but are engaging, intelligent people.) I despise the viewpoint that all cultural tendencies must be respected by proxy, merely because they are cultural; and/or the contention that if you disagree with a person's "culture" it is exclusively because you can't fathom to understand it.
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You nailed it here. I studied anthropology for a while and could not believe how that social science was taught. This whole "no culture is better or more humane than another" belief. We were studying some African tribes for a while and these horrible, despicable acts were being discussed, and I was TOLD (yes, told) that I have no right to say that my culture is better than theirs. I was labeled an ethnocentric imperialist by my professor. lol - God forbid we don't cut off a woman's clit or kill our children if they're not great warriors.
 
Irish Cannon said:
You nailed it here. I studied anthropology for a while and could not believe how that social science was taught. This whole "no culture is better or more humane than another" belief. We were studying some African tribes for a while and these horrible, despicable acts were being discussed, and I was TOLD (yes, told) that I have no right to say that my culture is better than theirs. I was labeled an ethnocentric imperialist by my professor. lol - God forbid we don't cut off a woman's clit or kill our children if they're not great warriors.
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well lets open a can of worms here. . .

As a white male, god forbid, you have no right to comment. Just swallow the guilt or be labelled a (gulp) racist. :paranoid:
 
Irish Cannon said:
Attire has nothing to do with it. I actually knew a very cool, intelligent guy that dressed like a thug just to enjoy the reactions. I thought that was awesome. It was almost an ongoing sociological experiment for him. :18:
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The only time attire ever bothers me is when the individual subscribes to the behavior/stigma of that "type" of dress. You can take two skinny guys in their early-twenties, spike their hair, put huge cubic earrings in their ears, and give them both a light blue polo with a spiked collar and my opinion of each may be different: I will want to equalize the one who puffs his chest out like he just ate a pickle, and I will shake hands and laugh with the one who acts affable and generally nice. It all depends on attitude for me!
 
Irish Cannon said:
You nailed it here. I studied anthropology for a while and could not believe how that social science was taught. This whole "no culture is better or more humane than another" belief. We were studying some African tribes for a while and these horrible, despicable acts were being discussed, and I was TOLD (yes, told) that I have no right to say that my culture is better than theirs. I was labeled an ethnocentric imperialist by my professor. lol - God forbid we don't cut off a woman's clit or kill our children if they're not great warriors.
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That type of nonsense would occur in many of my Philosophy/Sociology classes while I was doing my undergrad; needless to say, I have been expelled from many of my classes - with refund, of course.
 
Cultural traits generally evolve from a dynamic of shared experiences and history, and must be assessed within their specific cultutal spaces. As a consequence, it may be hard to develop an opinion of a different culture that is devoid of own-culture bias.
 
Irish Cannon said:
It's pathetic. You can't even have an opinion anymore.
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I was actually in an honours seminar on "Race, Racism and Speciesism" when I was kicked out for calling the Professor, "...a superstitious old fool". The entire semester prior to that, I would spend the three hour seminar arguing with all of the Professor's major contentions.

I even went so far as to point out where he had endorsed plagiarism - or at the very least ignored it - by using a "cooked" reference. He was attempting to analogize the North American meat-producing industry with the Holocaust, by claiming Hitler's inspiration for the processing of Jews came from Henry Ford's production lines and the American meat industry. He used a reference that paraphrased another reference, which apparently contained a direct quote from Hitler's secret book. Well, thinking this professor a complete ******* and knowing this to be false, I torrented a copy of Hitler's secret book, and went to the page where this reference was supposedly contained. Guess what? Nowhere to be found. So, I read the book to make sure it was not contained anywhere, then printed it off, and brought it to class. Before he could start his next bullshit laden lecture, I threw my printed copy of the book on his desk, and proceeded to tell him my opinions. This eventually erupted into me calling him a fool as above, and getting kicked out. That dumb asshole.
 
strategicmove said:
Cultural traits generally evolve from a dynamic of shared experiences and history, and must be assessed within their specific cultutal spaces. As a consequence, it may be hard to develop an opinion of a different culture that is devoid of own-culture bias.
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Certainly, but implying that an opinion on another culture is de facto incorrect and/or an argument from ignorance merely because it comes from without that culture is equally as presumptuous, Ike.
 
strategicmove said:
Cultural traits generally evolve from a dynamic of shared experiences and history, and must be assessed within their specific cultutal spaces. As a consequence, it may be hard to develop an opinion of a different culture that is devoid of own-culture bias.
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That's complete BS. There are certain instances in life where you have to throw out moral relativism and ethical formalism and come to the conclusion that there is good and evil in the world. I don't have to live within the culture to form an opinion on it. Often an outsiders perspective is the most ample vantage point.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Certainly, but implying that an opinion on another culture is de facto incorrect and/or an argument from ignorance merely because it comes from without that culture is equally as presumptuous, Ike.
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Correctness or incorrectness are certainly relative constructs, depending on one's inherited or acquired cultural outlook. They are not absolute concepts with validity for all, but must be understood from a given cultural prism.
 
strategicmove said:
You certainly can disagree with me without labelling my opinion as BS!
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Quite being such a wimp.

Lets take this culture that I first mentioned; those that feel entitled to my wealth that I'VE earned from my own hard work. Their entire belief system is faulty. It's a culture founded on selfishness, greed, and racism. How would your opinion support the notion that I'm wrong?
 
Irish Cannon said:
Quite being such a wimp.
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I just insist on discussing on the basis of mutual respect without resorting to name-calling. I neither want to be referred to as a wimp, nor do I wish that my comment be classified as bull****. If you cannot argue on other terms, just ignore my posts. That simple!

Lets take this culture that I first mentioned; those that feel entitled to my wealth that I'VE earned from my own hard work. Their entire belief system is faulty. It's a culture founded on selfishness, greed, and racism. How would your opinion support the notion that I'm wrong?
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I am not sure who feels entitled to your wealth. I still insist I cannot even remotely judge any culture without a thorough understanding of that cultural context. I am unaware of any automatic mechanism that defines any culture as selfish, greedy, and racist, simply because you suspect individuals in that cultural space feel entitled to your wealth!
 
strategicmove said:
Correctness or incorrectness are certainly relative constructs, depending on one's inherited or acquired cultural outlook. They are not absolute concepts with validity for all, but must be understood from a given cultural prism.
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But this is certainly never something I expounded. In addition, your position that cultural behaviors and/or stigmas can not only be assessed, but with further specificity, "must be assessed" within a specific framework in order to assure accuracy and/or understanding, implies that you subscribe to a [nominal] understanding of incorrectness or correctness. If not, then your position falls apart at a key moment of substitution: the point at which we substitute a shared understanding of right and wrong in your "must be assessed" comment, for a different view.

From this epistemology, all "things" must necessarily be right, or all must be wrong - this is the only way to circumvent applying a culturally, geographically or socially constructed concept of right or wrong.

At any rate, my point here is merely that I personally disagree with your position that one cannot, by virtue of being from without that culture, morally assess a culture based on his/her subjective viewpoint. As all knowledge is morally tainted, I see no issues in articulating a moral-rational disagreement with a particular cultural idiom - the only issue comes in expressing "we are better than them".
 
Look at me. How in the hell did this turn into a "Philosophy of Ethics" thread? I wanna talk about Mexicans some more. This is bush. Bush league.
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Mulletsoldier said:
This ain't no dun darn ethics macallit. This here be morality!
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I guess by ethics, I was referring to the Kantian view of it being an ethical duty to respect other rational beings... not that anyone on this board is rational!:lol: But I suppose one can be an ethical person without being a moral one, because ethical implies conformity to some code of fair/honest behavior, while moral refers to generally accepted standards of rightness.

So yeah... morality.:thumbsup:
 
rubberring said:
I guess by ethics, I was referring to the Kantian view of it being an ethical duty to respect other rational beings... not that anyone on this board is rational!:lol: But I suppose one can be an ethical person without being a moral one, because ethical implies conformity to some code of fair/honest behavior, while moral refers to generally accepted standards of rightness.

So yeah... morality.:thumbsup:
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Well, Kant's Moral Theory and ethics was not so much to suggest that one has an ethical duty to respect rational beings in particular; but rather, one has an obligation to one's own rational-moral law, even in spite of our natural inclinations to abandon reason in favor of pleasure, hedonism, etc. This rational law is necessarily self-legislated by all rational beings, but, must also be valid for all rational beings. This is summated in his first effort on the categorical imperative: "So act that you can will the maxim of your action to be a universal law". Put otherwise: "act in a manner based on fundamental reason that is applicable to all rational beings".
 
And can you call members of certain groups "rational beings" such as drug dealing gangstas or radical islamists
 
Mulletsoldier said:
But this is certainly never something I expounded. In addition, your position that cultural behaviors and/or stigmas can not only be assessed, but with further specificity, "must be assessed" within a specific framework in order to assure accuracy and/or understanding, implies that you subscribe to a [nominal] understanding of incorrectness or correctness. If not, then your position falls apart at a key moment of substitution: the point at which we substitute a shared understanding of right and wrong in your "must be assessed" comment, for a different view.

From this epistemology, all "things" must necessarily be right, or all must be wrong - this is the only way to circumvent applying a culturally, geographically or socially constructed concept of right or wrong.

At any rate, my point here is merely that I personally disagree with your position that one cannot, by virtue of being from without that culture, morally assess a culture based on his/her subjective viewpoint. As all knowledge is morally tainted, I see no issues in articulating a moral-rational disagreement with a particular cultural idiom - the only issue comes in expressing "we are better than them".
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You were the first to use the terms correct and incorrect, Kenton! I never maintained that an individual, foreign to a particular culture, should not form an opinion of that culture or a trait thereof. I argued that a cultural bias may be unavoidable, if the historical dynamics of that specific cultural trait is ignored whilst forming that opinion. Whether or not that opinion is condescending is a different point.
 
Hey, did you guys hear that joke where a white man with a cane enters a bar with a Mexican that had a three-legged donkey and, oh wait, this might not be the appropriate place... :run:

















































:D
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Well, Kant's Moral Theory and ethics was not so much to suggest that one has an ethical duty to respect rational beings in particular;
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Wait... I simply stated, "I was referring to the Kantian view of it being an ethical duty to respect other rational beings..."

"Central to Kant's ethical theory is the claim that all persons are owed respect just because they are persons, that is, free rational beings. To be a person is to have a status and worth that is unlike that of any other kind of being: it is to be an end in itself with dignity."

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No offense, man... but don't you think you're trying to wax philosophical a bit too much here? It's bordering dangerously on pretentious. Just sayin'.
 
strategicmove said:
You were the first to use the terms correct and incorrect, Kenton! I never maintained that an individual, foreign to a particular culture, should not form an opinion of that culture or a trait thereof. I argued that a cultural bias may be unavoidable, if the historical dynamics of that specific cultural trait is ignored whilst forming that opinion. Whether or not that opinion is condescending is a different point.
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Of course it will be culturally bias, Ike; however, claiming that this cultural bias makes one unable to assess another culture is moot - and if you contend it's valid, then you must be presupposing some objective means of measuring one cultural against another. As a result, IC, for example, saying he dislikes 'X' cultural trait for whatever reason is internally valid. By "correct" or "incorrect" I wasn't referring to the cultures themselves; instead, I was referring to you implying it is "incorrect" or "invalid" to asses a culture, period. Anyway, this is all pretty inconsequential.
 
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