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EasyEJL
Never enough
Who said I believe there is one? I'm just saying you are being hypocritical and dumb as you made the same argument, how you are more "enlightened" because of your drug use and addiction. I said that living your life according to the biblical principles doesn't cause you any harm, and overall causes better life for those who associate with you, unlike with drug use. Name one of the 10 commandments that does anything different.....
Zero V
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knowing there is a God is meaning you know the one thing that is always true...where as everything else is fickle and can change over time.
purebred
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Someone can easily rebuttal with prove there ISN'T a God/Supreme Being.
It works both ways.
even thesaurus.com acknowledges LOL it even shows you his name! :34:
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B5150
Legend
Many have stated that those principles are taught across cultures and faiths.
I find it interesting that those same principles would quicker be accepted from a dead Chinaman than Jesus.
I emphasize that I am and have been stating "the teachings of Jesus" the man apart from Jesus the Christ-God. It is an historical fact that he lived, taught and died.
Zero V
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science actually supports a superior force out there, or intelligent design. Evolution is impossible with no proof of it save for on a horizontal plane. As in dog can change into new breeds of dogs, but its always a dog. Humans, can get shorter or taller, but they were never monkeys. Therefore the earth didnt start as piss in a hot pool(primordial ooz), and it started more spontaneous thank originally thought. I mean they can carbon date snail shells(living ones) and get 500,000 years old as a result...
Plus any mutation to a genetic line actually kills off a species in the end. When DNA becomes corrupt, that being itself dies early(think cancer), or if its a defect that develops in a species, it doesnt change, it dies.
Plus a white hole scientifically proves the possibility of God making the earth, and the universe being so old.
Not to mention, all the people who have been healed, such as having incurable cancer or an irremovable tumor, then all of a sudden its gone and the doctors are going WTF? yeah....thats not from taking extra vitamins....
Not to mention the big bang theory is based off of the fact that all the stars and planets and galaxies seem to be moving away from a central source of creation....hmmm? You really believe a single atom exploded into all there is, then you are ignorant... The same scientists who sell evolution, are the same kinda white coat wearing tech jockies who work with the FDA, or major pharmaceutical companies to sell lies...
Plus I have seen too much to not believe in the existence of God. People on here mock, but only the ignorant or scared mock something they dont understand...its the human condition.
Jayhawkk
Legend
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It really isn't that easy. Your 'facts' have not really been researched from what I can tell. it seems more of the way you feel over actual fact in a scientific basis. Mocking works both ways. Don't mock those who do not believe and get upset at those who mock you for your belief. Actually, after reading a lot of your posts and threads it seems you are so full of hypocracy, misinformation and hate that it would take too long for me to go point by point.
Zero V
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I said I am a normal man and as a Christian guaranteed to be a hypocrite. Anything else? The only anger I harbor comes at the crappy way the world works today where the good guys have to take up up the rear from crooks and criminals because they are the only ones who get human rights anymore. And fat lazy people who collect welfare because they cant work, because their too fat....my theory is that a .45 round beats 60 years in prison, and does out country some good...-.-
The scientific facts are out there, and it has been researched as a group I was in before.
Most Christians who are seen as better, just dont speak their mind is all. I on the other hand speak my mind. I have a very war based mindset. I see all the political crap that is allowed to happen, and I watch the streets and what happens on them. The good guys got too soft, and bend over too much. Now the more America is stripped down of it originally being a Christian nation, the more it becomes a pil of crap seemingly destined for a civil war and full of destitute and confused people.
Whats not to drive a man mad? So few care enough to get angry anymore. And even less are man enough do be willing to do anything anymore.
orangutan
Banned
no no no no....YOU are making the claim. YOU are saying something is there....i am saying it is void.....YOU must prove it, not I. i cant stand when people say this because it doesnt make any sense
calling athiesm a religion is like calling baldness a hairstyle...
Zero V
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Actually baldness is a hairstyle...think military, when they razor their heads. Or retarded skin headz who do it. It is a style, that evolves around hair...so....yeah
You believe there is no God. It is a belief you have, you have faith in your beliefs therefore you have a faith. Which is what a religion is, a faith. So....
Zero V
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Where is the ballet that has those results, hmm? And why have they found zero proof?
Evolution is a belief as well. Because it cant be proven, so it is a belief of what could be.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Science is all about taking a theory, and looking for evidence to prove or disprove it. There is not any significant physical evidence either way to support or deny the existence of a god, so neither side's theory has more proof than the others.
A simple model of the scientific method would be
So if #1 is "Does God exist", just for #3 your hypothesis is different than others but you have no better data to support your hypothesis after the rest of the steps than anyone here who believes God does exist has to support their view. Neither side can make a definitive statement scientifically.
orangutan
Banned
Fear, thats all its about. fear. why cant u say "I DONT KNOW" why? just say it...its not that hard I DONT KNOW
we're all gonna die, bottomline. fact.... so keep holdin onto that lotto ticket if u insist, hold on and never let it go. its ur ticket into the bighouse
.... thats a bullshit reason to believe in something and u know it, i know it, we all know it.
once again...watch religulous and open ur childish minds. mommy and daddy were WRONG. ITS OK TO PLAY WITH YOUR PEE PEE
and zero....nothing will help in the end
we're all gonna die, bottomline. fact.... so keep holdin onto that lotto ticket if u insist, hold on and never let it go. its ur ticket into the bighouse
.... thats a bullshit reason to believe in something and u know it, i know it, we all know it.once again...watch religulous and open ur childish minds. mommy and daddy were WRONG. ITS OK TO PLAY WITH YOUR PEE PEE
and zero....nothing will help in the end
B5150
Legend
You baffle me to no end.
Christianity is to aspire to be Christ like and follow the teachings of Christ.
Don't you believe that Christ, God, who relinquished His seat at the right hand of God, and took on the form of a mortal man, knowing He would be mocked, ridiculed and put to death for you, might harbor some resentment and anger? Yet he demonstrated humility, humility even to death.
Zero V
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He was perfect though, and a portion of God himself. I have put in a fair share of humility....my time at the church I am leaving was the most painful years of my life thanks to the pastor, his influence, and what he did to me and my ex. I see him only as the biggest hypocrite because I see him outside of church. Especially how he treats his wife. I may be more war minded, but I know how to treat women. Especially one who I love. Now he thinks of me as a great guy, and tries to have me aid him. But the year and a half of crap I had to go through to show who I was was BS. I always had a dark past, still have a dark mind, and always will.
I am a mix.... I go to mexico, with no supplies, to feed and play with the children, minister to them, help them, and see their smiles. Yet I would be able to pull the trigger on someone who I believe has earned it and care none about the ending of their life. Maybe a lil crazy, possibly. My friends believe so
But I never fail a friend, I always help someone in need(even if I hate them), Just because I have an openly war base opinion on how things should be handled doesnt mean anything. Jesus didnt blame the roman soldiers for being soldiers? I am a soldier kinda guy, dont blame me.Maybe its just all the pain/anger inside, and the years of doing everything for everyone finally caught up to me and I dont care no more. Most of all, I can care less of a persons opinion anymore. Do I still love God? Yes, do I do everything to aid people, and try to follow his will yes. But given two options, I will choose the bloodiest. That, is me.
People of psychology origins need psychologists after they try and understand my brain ^.^
EasyEJL
Never enough
Fear, thats all its about. fear. why cant u say "I DONT KNOW" why? just say it...its not that hard I DONT KNOW
we're all gonna die, bottomline. fact.... so keep holdin onto that lotto ticket if u insist, hold on and never let it go. its ur ticket into the bighouse
once again...watch religulous and open ur childish minds. mommy and daddy were WRONG. ITS OK TO PLAY WITH YOUR PEE PEE
and zero....nothing will help in the end
Can you point to where in the 10 commandments or bible it says its not ok to play with your pee pee? Its obvious your mommy and daddy were wrong about a bunch of other things too.
Do you believe that bees can fly? Science has proven that they cant.... You asked for proof that god exists, but theres no more proof that he doesn't. And again, for the umpteenth time now, I never said I do believe in god, I don't know whether , but I won't dismiss someone elses belief because it can't be proven with scientific method, and it doesn't change that the lessons in the 10 commandments and the bible is a better way to live than worrying more about the next time you can get high, and how you'll do it.
Mars1107
Guest
Dont argue with religious people.:684:
Watch religilous again, Youll see what im talking about.
orangutan
Banned
better way to live huh? everyone i ever knew in prison believed in god and the bible...same thing with bums. u ever see a bum with a big sign that says "god bless" or "jesus christ loves u". i understand how faith can help u if ur in prison for life, or in a foxhole ready to get blown to bits.... but why would a smart intelligent person whos not in any danger believe so? thats my question
u say u dont have a problem with people who believe in god...thats the way i use to be. until i realized the horrible price it comes at
B5150
Legend
So behave like a hypocrite yourself? You spew venom at everyone and anyone you disagree with.
This war like mentality is contradicting the fundamental tenants of your faith. You are waging war with yourself and others and the battle has been won yet you're blinded by you bitterness to see so.
So fucking what! You go to Mexico on missions. BFD!I am a mix.... I go to mexico, with no supplies, to feed and play with the children, minister to them, help them, and see their smiles. Yet I would be able to pull the trigger on someone who I believe has earned it and care none about the ending of their life. Maybe a lil crazy, possibly. My friends believe so
The silent but deadly, compassionate, yet brutal warrior thing your trying to pull is a load of shit.
In the meantime, not only are you offending non-believers you are offending believers as well.
You ain't that complex dude. Really.
I'm calling it like I see it and if it offends you so be it. Any thread that goes along the lines of witnessing or giving testimony or defending my faith that includes you I will stay out of in the future. It is embarrassing to me, my testimony, my faith and it is unbecoming the Christ like character we are supposed to demonstrate as Christians - those who are supposedly in an intimate and personal relationship with Christ - Spiritually transformed men who are light and salt to the earth.
EasyEJL
Never enough
You are still missing the point. Those people in prison aren't living their life the way the 10 commandments and bible say to (or else they wouldn't have ended up in prison), they are just hoping in their beliefs that they'll still go to heaven, and playing lip service to religion. Its like Obama saying he supports total transparency in government right as he's sealing his records, and continuing warrantless wiretaps. Its easy to say something, quite different to actually act that way.
You don't end up in prison if you follow the lessons of the bible and the 10 commandments. Its the same basic lessons of all religions across the globe, which is what all civilizations and rule of law are based on. Saying you are a christian (or buddist or muslim) is pointless if you don't live like one.
Having no faith in anything also comes with a horrible price too, as you end up with no faith in others, and either a constant fear of death as you know its all over when that happens or a total Machiavellian attitude as only the moment happening right now matters. You instead up up struggling with "what does it all mean" and "what point is there to my life" as you know it is only fleeting, so instead you turn to drugs to fill that gap. I had kids instead after a while of living that life, and the kids provide the meaning, and the continuation of the memory of me regardless of what happens when I die. But till I had kids, it was definitely that struggle. Point to someone who doesn't have kids and doesn't believe in god, and I guarantee they'll be a drug user or alcoholic (and many who have kids too).
bslick69b
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awesome posting easy...
orangutan
Banned
this was probably ur best post...i can definently tell uve been there. i think u can condense it down to sex, not just kids. i always said "if ur not in a relationship and ur not having sex...ur defiently on drugs" i have found this to be true as well, its like a gap that u must fill. it seems like everyone has to have a release one way or another... its a struggle for everyone. i think ultimately a family with kids would be bliss, and would basically block out the "question of life"...in turn happiness
i never see happy people debating god and religion lol. but is that the price of intelligence? thats the question
B5150
Legend
With enheightened "value" comes enheightened "questions" as now you have to have answers for those you love, your flesh and blood. Answers that you talk and walk. I can blow sunshine up your ass but you can't do so with your kids. Well, you can try, for a while, then they become adults and all bets are off.
Which leads us back to those universal cross cultural and faith foundational principles that are tested tried and true.
B5150
Legend
Don't think for a second that people with faith are unintelligent - as you put it. I can completely comprehend the scientific and reason based theory of no God. Rather than discourage my faith, this further exemplifies faith.
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
Zero V
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Your probably the closest person to understanding :worried:
I take no offense B, but every time you italicize curse words I basically cant see you as a Christian either. Murder and stealing a loaf of bread are both a sin, and sin all has the same punishment, no? I say shiz, frigging, fudge. I cant even cuss. Feels nasty. So if you are a man of faith, you place yourself on the same side of the line, no? I see you do it often, and at first it surprised me.
I pull no act, its all as real as it is. I want answers, simple as that. I may be a Christian, but there are things I have to find out. In all likely hood I will probably wisen up a bit, become a more calm person, and settle down and have kids later in my 20s and adapt a much more conservative attitude maybe on par with yours. Only 4 friends have ever see me display acts of anger anyways. The thought of death intrigues me, I truly wanna know what it feels like to leave the body. No one in my church would claim against me, and they know I am pretty harsh minded.
And if for a second you dont think I am filled with the holy spirit, then you are wrong. But no way to prove that but being there in person. There is no hate in me. Anger, yes. Violent preferences to solve an issue, yes. Hate, no.
The idea of a civil war in America is like Christmas to me. Sometimes you just need that white light that fills your mind from a fight, from being near death, from barely surviving, or from laying there fading. I have different desires than you do, or could probably care to understand. Corruption, and greed run this country. To be able to personally cease the existence of people responsible for that would be like graduating with a Doctors degree.
Do I go around banging women? No, do I drink and puke my brains out? no, do I do meth, or speed, or acid, or insert drug here? no....I give strangers rides home because I trust God, I gave a guy outside steak n shake who I just met my shirt, because he didnt have one and needed to go somewhere (he was telling a lie I believe, but I have duties). I watch peoples houses and dogs for them. I hold open doors for people everytime. SO tell me how I am failing at this so horribly? Because I am not so peace minded? Driving out to the middle of nowhere to give people jumps, must make me bad too right?
Simply put it would all be fine if I was wearing an army uniform, and talking about terrorists. But since its directed at other issues that break apart our nation such as criminals(I believe drug lords should be executed on spot) I believe with crimes we need tribunals, and no more life sentences, anything over 20 years = execution.
I may be harsh, but I never judge a person for their closeness to God, because I have seen guys slam down liqueur who are closer to God then most people will be.
Be sure to say a prayer for me since I am so far gone, aight?
Who was it that said "Kill them all, God will recognize his own"?
Zero V
Well-known member
But B, I take no offense and mean none either :dunno: Am I at war within myself, more than you think.
As for the comment about happy people arguing about religion. I believe the higher a persons intelligence, the harder it is for them to be content. And the more they grow unhappy and dissatisfied. The only reason our Gov't gets away with so much is because I think 80% of America has an IQ of 90 or lower or something....has to be :684:
The government is really probably the main source of most of my distaste and bitterness, as well as Americas lack of passion and over abundance of fat and lazy people or pussies.
As for the comment about happy people arguing about religion. I believe the higher a persons intelligence, the harder it is for them to be content. And the more they grow unhappy and dissatisfied. The only reason our Gov't gets away with so much is because I think 80% of America has an IQ of 90 or lower or something....has to be :684:
The government is really probably the main source of most of my distaste and bitterness, as well as Americas lack of passion and over abundance of fat and lazy people or pussies.
Bigchourico
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How do you explain Dinosaurs...Satan put them there to mess with our faith??
Zero V
Well-known member
Actually no. During the flood (Noahs Ark) it is perfectly acceptable in a scientific view to believe that the atmosphere changed drastically. Changes in pressure, content, etc. Something like the dinosaurs could have easily been killed off during this. The old testament actually has two instances I know of that speaks of great beasts, such as behemoth, and leviathan, which would be considered dinosaurs by today's knowledge. I think behemoth is from Job.
God could have finished use with them, and the flood could have simply been the end of them.
Also scientifically speaking the only way for fossilization to happen is being rabidly covered and cut off from oxygen.(i think is how it works) and if you think about it a world wide flood would bury everything in a layer of mud. I mean I have been to a museum where they have a fossil of a small triceratops and a breed of velociraptor fighting, frozen that way. The only way that is possible is if they were instantly covered and buried unable to move. Not to mention you can find a few instances where a fossil is in multiple layers of "million" year old rock, which would mean it was exposed for that long as each layer covered it up...which is impossible.
Also most dinosaurs never got as big as the movies play it out, at least according to fossils most of em never matured to that kind of old age. And a dinosaur very well without seeing them may have been able to live hundreds of years. Biblically speaking,man used to live between 600 and 900 ears before the flood. After the flood it rapidly dropped to sub 100, possible as a side effect as previously said of the atmospheric change.
B, I know my Bible(especially new testament, read the gospels 5 times alone) -.- And the creationist supports for it. How I choose to excersize my knowledge, is what seems ot confuse you.
Bigchourico
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I'm not confused....
Bigchourico
Well-known member
The Fossils of Dinosaur Bones are dated WAY WAY before Noah's Ark and the FLOOD...
Zero V
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So is the shell of a living snail...Or a 5 year old magma rock...dating back hundreds of thousands of years...even though one is maybe under a year old, and the other is only 5?
Mars1107
Guest
People have different beliefs and theres nothing wrong in believing in whatever you want, so long as you dont interfere with other individuals life.
In reality, everyone is right, because you cant prove something wrong. So if in there mind it is right, in their reality it is right, even if other people think its wrong. As long as you believe, it makes it true, in your reality. All the sciences in the world can destroy religion, but it will still remain, as long as people believe in it.
Unfortunately i have come to a time in my life, where its very hard to believe.
Believing, having faith is scientifically been proven to make you a happier person. I can reference my old psychology textbook. Overall, i'm pretty happy right now without faith however.
( however, if i do become religious again, i certainly could not have the FOR SHURE its true mentality. Id be doing it more because its a pretty good way to live, for your family, for its customs, ect. Like i believe religion is a way to live, among people, i would mend my mind to believe in god, trick myself persay.)
But my main point is,
Religious arguements just become silly, very quickly.
Thats what I meant to say, Zero V
In reality, everyone is right, because you cant prove something wrong. So if in there mind it is right, in their reality it is right, even if other people think its wrong. As long as you believe, it makes it true, in your reality. All the sciences in the world can destroy religion, but it will still remain, as long as people believe in it.
Unfortunately i have come to a time in my life, where its very hard to believe.
Believing, having faith is scientifically been proven to make you a happier person. I can reference my old psychology textbook. Overall, i'm pretty happy right now without faith however.
( however, if i do become religious again, i certainly could not have the FOR SHURE its true mentality. Id be doing it more because its a pretty good way to live, for your family, for its customs, ect. Like i believe religion is a way to live, among people, i would mend my mind to believe in god, trick myself persay.)
But my main point is,
Religious arguements just become silly, very quickly.
Thats what I meant to say, Zero V
Zero V
Well-known member
understood
Speaking of religion, or politics, only leads to brash exchanging of words.BTW....about Meth and Steroids >.> Bad Dont do....
hardknock
Well-known member
You may want to go back and re-read every thing about evolutionary science again, you misunderstood in several areas or maybe you are just making blanket statements; I know not which.
I've been a big proponent of studying what you preach before preaching it. I've had the misfortune, or fortune, dependent upon the side that you stand to have studied both sides. Several years I studied Christianity, several years atheism, and evolution, all for about 21 years.
But, on the part that I put in bold, you cannot possibly take that as evidence for any existence of any being. Take all the people who have been healed from incurable cancers, diseases, and such, and stack them up against all of the people whom have died from the same and the stack for the healed would not equal 1/10 of the stack for the dead, so that theory can hold no water my friend.
I do not disagree or agree with any one's belief, or lack thereof, but hopefully this discussion can stay professional. Though, I see that it has already gone sideways on so many accounts...people should leave the one thing which causes so many problems in our world out of this conversation, which is emotion.
hardknock
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Well, you are correct in saying that people who only believe just to "get into heaven" are, in fact, sinning. But, most people, I would argue to say B5150, probably does not JUST BELIEVE only to "get into heaven" or lives a Christian life just because it's a big payoff in the end...that would be doing it for greed. If he truly believes then it is because he loves jesus and is doing it for that sole reason...I hate it when people say that they believe in Jesus or God because it will give them some type of personal gain "down the road"...that is a bunch of crock.Fear, thats all its about. fear. why cant u say "I DONT KNOW" why? just say it...its not that hard I DONT KNOW
we're all gonna die, bottomline. fact.... so keep holdin onto that lotto ticket if u insist, hold on and never let it go. its ur ticket into the bighouse
once again...watch religulous and open ur childish minds. mommy and daddy were WRONG. ITS OK TO PLAY WITH YOUR PEE PEE
and zero....nothing will help in the end
I dislike it when a person who says they are Christian goes and does a good deed then says that they did it because it will help them get into heaven. NO! Your deeds that you do come from your heart and your love for Jesus comes from your heart. The results of your actions should not be predetermined just because you think it's an easy ticket to "heaven"
Though I have no standing on this discussion, if you are going to believe in something, do not turn it into an easy way for personal gain...
And, ZeroV, why do you continuously talk about going around and putting a bullet in various groups of people's head? This is pure hate that you are spewing my friend. You must gain control of that because you are bigger than pathetic, meaningless, violence.
hardknock
Well-known member
I think he means if you follow the teachings of the commandments then you are basically following common law in some sort of manner....
You know, stay away from things like stealing, killing with malice, adultery, sleeping with your sister and mother, things of that nature.etc, etc, etc,
hardknock
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Sorry my friend, but I just met a guy at the mma fight tonight that was in a drunken rant whom spewed the same verbiage ... :dunno:
You kinda seem like the guy that I was talking about earlier. You seem like the guy that wants to do good deeds just to get there...dunno, no offense, but its just my thoughts.
hardknock
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I am a bit perplexed on that last bold statement....I've never touched a drug (besides designer steroids back in the day, or prescription meds for brief usage), and have only drank 5 or 6 times in 35 years? And, I have no children... How did you come to this conclusion?
Zero V
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None of the good things Ive done ever gotten me anything more than footprints on my back :dunno:
*Eh too much text so I jest remove it. Gov't gona be head huntin people soon, so...Gotta make it to the breaking point.*
do good deeds just to get where?
Could just be my natural hate towards what my race has become, and the lame excuse for humans most people are and a desire to be different than them. At any rate, at the rate out countries going, there just may be some chances to prove stuff ^.^
Hell if you could pull off a dirty bomb at all the spring break locations, you would clean out the gene pool a bit.
Edit: But in all honesty, I am probably too ice a guy to do anything unless there was a catalyst involved.
Zero V
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A guy in my church has before x-rays of his knee being completely destroyed. Needed a major operation or he was not going to be able to walk. After a night service, running around jumping and praising, the doctors take an x-ray of a perfectly healthy 100% knee...a few people who have been in prayer and been giving sight back. They went from having bad eyesight, to 20/20. I guess that musta all been psychological...what is that, psychosomatic or something right?
And the countless others. Faith is a powerful thing.
As for evolution...I studied it for years myself. As well as biology, chemistry, etc(not HS classes, college and personal time). I am a science person, doesnt change what does and doesnt exist.
Zero V
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You all need to lighten up
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And I apologize for making an arse of meh self, but it was a fun time. Just caught me on a cynical day.
Take these pics of laughter inducing nature and be in peace. Just pray you never wake up to the second one after a night of not being sober....or the first one for that matter since he is a necrophiliac.
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And I apologize for making an arse of meh self, but it was a fun time. Just caught me on a cynical day.
Take these pics of laughter inducing nature and be in peace. Just pray you never wake up to the second one after a night of not being sober....or the first one for that matter since he is a necrophiliac.
Iron Lungz
Banned
It's sickens me to no end to see threads get destroyed by the same old arguments. Give it a f*cking rest!
EasyEJL
Never enough
I honestly have never met anyone who this isn't true for. Without one of those, there would have to be the internal question of "what is my life about, and what is it worth, what will be left when I die", which has to be filled with something. I suppose it could be filled with career, just haven't met anyone who it was and wasn't also using drugs/alcohol
orangutan
Banned
lots of sex. thats what i was trying to say in my post
"if ur not in a relationship or having sex on a regular basis...ur doing drugs"
orangutan
Banned
If u think I'M going to hell, thats effecting me. so thats "interfering".
the second part u said everyone is right because u cant prove it wrong....FIRST u have to prove something exist right? ...before u can prove it wrong? basically...in court (in reality) it would not hold up. all we have to go by in this lifetime is reality.....fantasy is not real