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Well it's two weeks in now and the epistane/furaz results are more noticeable at this point in terms of muscle mass. Which is good because its really caught me back up to my old strength level after being out of the game so long. :-)

Now I do have a couple of questions for you Crazyfool (and the other knowledgeable guys on this board), if you don't mind...

1) Has it finally been settled whether Epistane is more of a SERM or Aromatase Inhibitor? I know the advertisement says aromatase inhibitor, but even though the people of IBE are good, advertisements can often be "misleading".

2) I just ordered the topical yohimbine supplement Lipoderm-Y from Avant Labs, for some chest application. I know there is some associated water retention that comes with using topical yohimbine, how long does it typically last for most users? I was going to run it for a week alongside my two week clen cycle and I have something coming up on the 2nd of May that I want to be "ready" for. I want to make sure a week is enough time for the water to subside.

3) Last but not least, I finished running my EC cycle last Sunday and I've been running 2-3 caps of benadryl every night this week before I finish off with a 2 weeker of Clen on Sunday the 19th. Is that enough time for my receptors to be "freshened" before I start the Clen? I want to get as maximum effect as possible.

Thanks!
 
Xenabuffyfan said:
Well it's two weeks in now and the epistane/furaz results are more noticeable at this point in terms of muscle mass. Which is good because its really caught me back up to my old strength level after being out of the game so long. :-)

Now I do have a couple of questions for you Crazyfool (and the other knowledgeable guys on this board), if you don't mind...

1) Has it finally been settled whether Epistane is more of a SERM or Aromatase Inhibitor? I know the advertisement says aromatase inhibitor, but even though the people of IBE are good, advertisements can often be "misleading".

2) I just ordered the topical yohimbine supplement Lipoderm-Y from Avant Labs, for some chest application. I know there is some associated water retention that comes with using topical yohimbine, how long does it typically last for most users? I was going to run it for a week alongside my two week clen cycle and I have something coming up on the 2nd of May that I want to be "ready" for. I want to make sure a week is enough time for the water to subside.

3) Last but not least, I finished running my EC cycle last Sunday and I've been running 2-3 caps of benadryl every night this week before I finish off with a 2 weeker of Clen on Sunday the 19th. Is that enough time for my receptors to be "freshened" before I start the Clen? I want to get as maximum effect as possible.

Thanks!
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#1. Epi is 5a reduced so it acts like an ai. As does pplex and mdrol. However its not documented well

#2. Not sure I never had water retention with topical forms of yohimbine. So that one I cannot answer. Sorry bro

#3. I don't think 2 weeks is really enough to be honest but its better then nothing. Why not napalm and liquid clen as a topical. Also u have to remember clen will continue to work even with the dirty receptors. However just not as much but that's why the dose increases gradually. My clen dosing is diff then a lot of peoples. But the anabolic effects of b2 agonists start after 2 weeks for the most part

Hope this helps
 
crazyfool405 said:
#1. Epi is 5a reduced so it acts like an ai. As does pplex and mdrol. However its not documented well

#2. Not sure I never had water retention with topical forms of yohimbine. So that one I cannot answer. Sorry bro

#3. I don't think 2 weeks is really enough to be honest but its better then nothing. Why not napalm and liquid clen as a topical. Also u have to remember clen will continue to work even with the dirty receptors. However just not as much but that's why the dose increases gradually. My clen dosing is diff then a lot of peoples. But the anabolic effects of b2 agonists start after 2 weeks for the most part

Hope this helps
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The answers on the first two are great (and excellent point on the 5a reduction, I didn't think of that!) but you'll have to excuse me for being confused on your answer to your 3rd question...
Just so I can clarify what you meant, did you mean 2 weeks isn't long enough of a cycle for Clen? Or that 2 weeks isn't a long enough of a break between the ephedrine/caffeine cycle and the clen? Since I'm technically "on cycle" for epi/furaz etc. I'm not looking for so much of the anabolic effects that come with Clen, but for the quick (and in some cases dramatic) fat loss effects. Big audition in about 3 1/2 weeks so I'm looking for the big finish. (My diet and cardio are already dialed in)
 
2 weeks really isn't eneough to clean receptors however it will work fine bc clen doesn't really stop working the effects are just less pronounce. Run clen 2 weeks on then EOD starting after the 2 weeks
 
crazyfool405 said:
2 weeks really isn't eneough to clean receptors however it will work fine bc clen doesn't really stop working the effects are just less pronounce. Run clen 2 weeks on then EOD starting after the 2 weeks
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Ah EOD, that IS a good idea considering the long half life of Clen.

Last time I used Clen was last year. The results were fast and dramatic for me personally.

What was your experience with Clen, Crazyfool? I hear different stories from eeeeveryone so I'm curious about yours.
 
I liked it I used it with epi and hdrol. I actually used it ed for 6 weeks but had to stop because I ended up needing my appendix out

Lost bout 12 pounds of fat and kept all strength even got strongeer

This next time I use it will be the eod dosing considering the half life. And to make the 600 pills I have last a little longer. I never go over 120 mcg tho
 
I liked it I used it with epi and hdrol. I actually used it ed for 6 weeks but had to stop because I ended up needing my appendix out

Lost bout 12 pounds of fat and kept all strength even got strongeer

This next time I use it will be the eod dosing considering the half life. And to make the 600 pills I have last a little longer. I never go over 120 mcg tho
 
crazyfool405 said:
I liked it I used it with epi and hdrol. I actually used it ed for 6 weeks but had to stop because I ended up needing my appendix out

Lost bout 12 pounds of fat and kept all strength even got strongeer

This next time I use it will be the eod dosing considering the half life. And to make the 600 pills I have last a little longer. I never go over 120 mcg tho
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Wow, 6 weeks straight?! That's awesome! I never knew until you told me that Clen could continue to burn fat after the 2 week period, I figured that beta 2 receptors would be so downregulated at that point that it would be pointless. Were you using benadryl or ketotifen as well or not (I'm intrigued lol).

Hell I wouldve done that from that start of my anabolic cycle if I knew I could've utilized it in such a way!
 
crazyfool405 said:
Nope no ketofen or benedryl. For me. But them again I'm soo tolerant to stims and sups that I don't get shakes from anything anyway
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The clen shakes don't bother me really. While the tremors make look like a crack head when i hold a fork/pen/phone, the stuff has zero effect on my heart rate. However i wonder how ill be now that i've been off stims for 4 months...should be "interesting" hehe.
 
Xenabuffyfan said:
The clen shakes don't bother me really. While the tremors make look like a crack head when i hold a fork/pen/phone, the stuff has zero effect on my heart rate. However i wonder how ill be now that i've been off stims for 4 months...should be "interesting" hehe.
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Do you check your BP while on it as it can cause problems there also?
 
crazyfool405 said:
id rather see you just do it EOD during your whole PCT, and then the last few days taper down.
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Hey crazyfool, I had a question regarding nolvadex. I usually use toremifene for my pct and this is my first time using Nolva because the Tori was not available. I was curious though, since Nolva acts like an anti-estrogen at some sites, and an estrogen in others (supposedly) does it have an effect on water retention or even "estrogenic fat" (aka alpha receptor dense areas). I hear mixed information from different sources, so I would like to get your opinion. Thanks.
 
Xenabuffyfan said:
Hey crazyfool, I had a question regarding nolvadex. I usually use toremifene for my pct and this is my first time using Nolva because the Tori was not available. I was curious though, since Nolva acts like an anti-estrogen at some sites, and an estrogen in others (supposedly) does it have an effect on water retention or even "estrogenic fat" (aka alpha receptor dense areas). I hear mixed information from different sources, so I would like to get your opinion. Thanks.
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Definitely keeps you dry.
 
Quick question for you guys. Just was wondering if you guys ever thought about putting digestive enzymes, like carbogen, which targets carbs, in Glycobol and if it might help make it more effective. I'm not saying it's not effective now, but I was just curious. Thanks!!
 
subweevil said:
Quick question for you guys. Just was wondering if you guys ever thought about putting digestive enzymes, like carbogen, which targets carbs, in Glycobol and if it might help make it more effective. I'm not saying it's not effective now, but I was just curious. Thanks!!
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its Dr Ds creation really, i dont think this supp was geared toward carbohydrate digestion as it was towards glucose disposal/muscle utilization.

personally i use Superenzymes (NOW) with almost every meal, it prbably would be a nice addition however it may be cheaper to just buy it seperatly.
 
So my clenbuterol run didn't give me the same dramatic results as I had before, but I think I know what I did wrong, and I would like some feedback from you guys.

I was running the clenbuterol at the same time as a high dose of 11oxo. While cortisol is great for reducing visceral fat, I heard its necessary for liberating and burning subcutaneous fat. Could that have been my problem? That my low cortisol levels were interfering with the Clen burning some of my subcutaneous fat?
 
Great question bro. To be honest I can't answer that but I will relay it to dave palumbo dr d and seth roberts for an answer just gotta give me some time to get the answers
 
crazyfool405 said:
Great question bro. To be honest I can't answer that but I will relay it to dave palumbo dr d and seth roberts for an answer just gotta give me some time to get the answers
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Thanks buddy! I am gonna run another cycle come Monday, but I was just amazed that my always reliable clen gave me slightly lesser results when ran with a cortisol lowering agent...

Guess it just shows how much of a double edged sword cortisol is!
 
It coulda been because uve been on beta agonists for a while before u started the cort blocker to be honest I don't think it would have affected it that much. Diet could have been different as well. Post up your dosing for all of it and your diet let's see if collectivly we can all figure out what happpened
 
Ok dave got back to me with a very quick simple answer to low cort effectring clens fat burning capabilities and he said NO. Lol quick and simple
 
crazyfool405 said:
It coulda been because uve been on beta agonists for a while before u started the cort blocker to be honest I don't think it would have affected it that much. Diet could have been different as well. Post up your dosing for all of it and your diet let's see if collectivly we can all figure out what happpened
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I ran the clen starting at 40mcg and increasing 20mcg each day until I got to 160mcg. I stayed on that dose for the remainder of the cycle (2 weeks).

My diet didn't change very much. I use isopure zero carb protein for my powder to preface this....

My diet was...
Preworkout
1 scoop of Isopure
1/2 cup Oatmeal

Postworkout
1 scoop of Protein Powder
1 Banana
1 Tablespoon of Natural PB

3rd Meal
4 oz grilled chicken
1 sweet potato
1 cup of broccoli

4th meal
1 can of Tuna mixed in with 2 cups romaine lettuce

5th meal
5 egg whites (omelet)

I figure on the Monday run what I would do is throw in some DCP with the Clen. That way I would have the clen releasing the FFA's and DCP to burn them in the mitochondria....good plan?
 
Sounds solid I think the reason why u hit that plataeu is rthe dosing scheduel man. Going up that dose was too fast in my opinion. I go up 20mcg every week or every other week not every day
 
crazyfool405 said:
And I wqould have whey and leucine post workout instead of what u have you wil be surprised with the results
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Just started clen back up today at 20mcg, I started the dcp yesterday at 9 caps and today at 12, I plan to do a megadose cycle of it, to go along side the clen and yohimbine! :-)

What do you think? Sound like a good combo? (PS I have the cramping taken care of. I just mean from a fatburning standpoint)
 
Hello, I was just wondering about the monacolin (lovastatin) amount in the red yeast rice in the life support/cycle support? I went on to consumer labs and I've learned the amount of statins can vary based on how the red yeast rice is manufactured. Most of them seem to have 2.5-5 mg, but I saw one company's had 10 mg..

Thanks.
 
magicseaweed said:
Hello, I was just wondering about the monacolin (lovastatin) amount in the red yeast rice in the life support/cycle support? I went on to consumer labs and I've learned the amount of statins can vary based on how the red yeast rice is manufactured. Most of them seem to have 2.5-5 mg, but I saw one company's had 10 mg..

Thanks.
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I believe that no RYR products sold in the U.S. can have any Lovastatin in it anymore but I will check up on it.
 
That is correct the FDA doesn't want RYR to contain Lovastatin and we sure don't want to cross the FDA.
 
Yes, thanks for replying. I found a recent article in the American Journal of Cardiology that says ingredients in the red yeast rice beyond the statins have proven to lower cholesterol.

I really wish the FDA would be more proactive and open minded to natural herbs instead of protecting the pharmaceutical drug companies - bit of a rant there.

Thanks.
 
magicseaweed said:
Yes, thanks for replying. I found a recent article in the American Journal of Cardiology that says ingredients in the red yeast rice beyond the statins have proven to lower cholesterol.

I really wish the FDA would be more proactive and open minded to natural herbs instead of protecting the pharmaceutical drug companies - bit of a rant there.

Thanks.
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right on bro. agree 100%
 
whats the max amount of time you can eat after a glycobol dosage to get a real benefit out of it? will my noon dosage still be good for a meal 3 hours after my lunch?

On a side note. Bring back the cookie mix already:006:
 
The half life of bmov is 24 hours approxamtly and the half life of the other ingredients I would say is around 4-6 hours. I lioke taking one cap miultople times of the day
 
crazyfool405 said:
The half life of bmov is 24 hours approxamtly and the half life of the other ingredients I would say is around 4-6 hours. I lioke taking one cap miultople times of the day
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ya thats what i thought and how i have been taking it. just wanted to make sure though.
 
witt51 said:
ya thats what i thought and how i have been taking it. just wanted to make sure though.
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yea your good,
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\it also helps you discover your tolerance i know once i get to like 7 pills my stomach hurts. but anything up to that im good

but then again i havent tested my tolerance in about a week and i just cut almost all my carbs for my cut so i only use 2 a day

i would have 1 glycobol with 30g carbs
 
crazyfool405 said:
yea your good,
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\it also helps you discover your tolerance i know once i get to like 7 pills my stomach hurts. but anything up to that im good

but then again i havent tested my tolerance in about a week and i just cut almost all my carbs for my cut so i only use 2 a day

i would have 1 glycobol with 30g carbs
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thats how i do it. i try not take more than 30 grams in at a time. if i know i might eat more than 30 i take 2 glycobol.

were u taking one cap before each meal before? do u base it on how many carbs ur gonna eat?
 
witt51 said:
thats how i do it. i try not take more than 30 grams in at a time. if i know i might eat more than 30 i take 2 glycobol.

were u taking one cap before each meal before? do u base it on how many carbs ur gonna eat?
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To be honest, its based on ones goals, I take 200-250gs of carbs with 2 caps, I probably hit 600g of carbs a day and still stay VERY LEAN.
 
andrew732 said:
To be honest, its based on ones goals, I take 200-250gs of carbs with 2 caps, I probably hit 600g of carbs a day and still stay VERY LEAN.
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i am working on a recomp right now. my biggest problem is i work in iraq and dont have access to all the healthy carbs so i try to limit what i eat to small amounts.
 
witt51 said:
i am working on a recomp right now. my biggest problem is i work in iraq and dont have access to all the healthy carbs so i try to limit what i eat to small amounts.
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You do not have access to healthy carbs in Iraq?
 
strategicmove said:
You do not have access to healthy carbs in Iraq?
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i mean there is no sweet potatoes, brown rice and good complex carbs like that. plus its a dinning facility so u r at the mercy of what they decide to make for the day. i did snoop around and found some oatmeal packets i picked up.
 
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