Questions anyone

[crazyfool405]

I'd bridge them. If using both was the option u wanna use

However people will tell u to stack them ect or use one then the other to see how it goes...

What are ur goals. I LOVE m14add. Doses need to be over 100mg tho and at 5 weeks. U can lean out signifigantly on it as well.

Epi is great as well it really depends on ur goal

 

[crazyfool405]

one study i did find...

Effect of alpha lipoic acid on the peripheral conversion of thyroxine to triiodothyronine and on serum lipid-, protein- and glucose levels. Arzneimittelforschung. 1991 Dec;41(12):1294-8. Institute of Clinical Biochemistry, University of Bonn, Fed. Rep. of Germany.
The influence of alpha-lipoic acid on thyroid hormone metabolism and serum lipid-, protein- and glucose levels was investigated. In the first setup of experiments administration of alpha lipoic acid together with thyroxine (T4) for 9 days suppressed the T4 induced increase of T3 generation by 56%. This suppression was similar to that affected by 6-propylthiouracil (54%). Alpha lipoic acid or T4 alone did not affect the cholesterol level, but together they led to a reduction. alpha lipoic acid decreased the triglyceride level by 45%; the decrease induced by T4 or alpha lipoic acid plus T4 was not significant. Total protein and albumin levels decreased by alpha lipoic acid plus T4 treatment when compared to the alpha lipoic acid control. The slight increase in glucose level by alpha lipoic acid or T4 alone was not observed when they were administered together. In the second setup of experiments the administration of T4 for 22 days increased the serum T3 level 3-fold. When alpha lipoic acid was combined with T4 and the treatment continued, the T3 production decreased by 22%. T4 reduced cholesterol level by 30%, and alpha lipoic acid plus T4 further reduced it by 47%. The triglycerides were not affected. A moderate decrease in total protein was observed after treatment with T4 plus LA; T4 and alpha lipoic acid plus T4 decreased the albumin level. The decrease in serum glucose by T4 recovers by alpha lipoic acid treatment. These results demonstrate that alpha lipoic acid interferes with the production of T3 from T4 when it is co-administered with T4. The elevated level of T3, after T4 administration, is reduced by treatment with alpha lipoic acid.


it doesnt say when administered alone in patients with NORMAL functioning thyroid...

 

[nighthawk101]

im happy with my strength right now and i dont mind bloating a lil but im jus wanting to put on as much size as possible during the cycle and thanks for the info

 

[crazyfool405]

ok then id do 5-6 weeks of m14add. you have PCT in line and all your support supplements needed before you start?

 

[nighthawk101]

yeah i have cycle assist and pct what bout dosages?

 

[crazyfool405]

is it CEL brand?

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

one study i did find...

Effect of alpha lipoic acid on the peripheral conversion of thyroxine to triiodothyronine and on serum lipid-, protein- and glucose levels. Arzneimittelforschung. 1991 Dec;41(12):1294-8. Institute of Clinical Biochemistry, University of Bonn, Fed. Rep. of Germany.
The influence of alpha-lipoic acid on thyroid hormone metabolism and serum lipid-, protein- and glucose levels was investigated. In the first setup of experiments administration of alpha lipoic acid together with thyroxine (T4) for 9 days suppressed the T4 induced increase of T3 generation by 56%. This suppression was similar to that affected by 6-propylthiouracil (54%). Alpha lipoic acid or T4 alone did not affect the cholesterol level, but together they led to a reduction. alpha lipoic acid decreased the triglyceride level by 45%; the decrease induced by T4 or alpha lipoic acid plus T4 was not significant. Total protein and albumin levels decreased by alpha lipoic acid plus T4 treatment when compared to the alpha lipoic acid control. The slight increase in glucose level by alpha lipoic acid or T4 alone was not observed when they were administered together. In the second setup of experiments the administration of T4 for 22 days increased the serum T3 level 3-fold. When alpha lipoic acid was combined with T4 and the treatment continued, the T3 production decreased by 22%. T4 reduced cholesterol level by 30%, and alpha lipoic acid plus T4 further reduced it by 47%. The triglycerides were not affected. A moderate decrease in total protein was observed after treatment with T4 plus LA; T4 and alpha lipoic acid plus T4 decreased the albumin level. The decrease in serum glucose by T4 recovers by alpha lipoic acid treatment. These results demonstrate that alpha lipoic acid interferes with the production of T3 from T4 when it is co-administered with T4. The elevated level of T3, after T4 administration, is reduced by treatment with alpha lipoic acid.


it doesnt say when administered alone in patients with NORMAL functioning thyroid...

Good point crazyfool! They should do another study as that is a very important variable.

 

[nighthawk101]

yeah all of it is cel brand

 

[crazyfool405]

i would do 3/3/4/4/4

 

[nighthawk101]

alright that sounds good. ill keep everyone informed on how it goes. i should be starting it in two weeks. thanks for the help

 

[crazyfool405]

alright that sounds good. ill keep everyone informed on how it goes. i should be starting it in two weeks. thanks for the help

any time man, do you have any AIs on hand this tends to aromatize however not at the rate of Dbol.

so maybe an herbal AI on hand in case u need it, even some inhibit E at 1 cap a night would work well.

also do about 2 days at 2 pills, then go up to 3

ur definetly gunna need more then 1 bottle though just so you know.

and keep us posted in this thread. if you wanna do pics here you can too.

 

[nighthawk101]

ive got 2 bottles on hand. im deployed at the moment but ill be back in 2 weeks so then ill post a before pic and weekly pics. and i dont have any AI'S at the moment. but if you think i should then ill grab some.

 

[nighthawk101]

one more question if i have a good diet and workout routine what is the maximum weight i could put on. i know everyone reacts differently but do you think 10 lbs is reasonable goal?

 

[crazyfool405]

10 pounds is certainly reasonable i would go for a good 8 lean

 

[crazyfool405]

you dont want to get your hopes set high and be dissappointed if you dont reach it.

 

[nighthawk101]

yeah i understand i know i responded well to p plex i gained 15lbs and kept 10 of them

 

[TheLuch]

Im about to start a cycle of tren 19 nor by element nutrition, with winabol-generation x labs, and epistane. I have some experience with these products. Just would like to hear others opinions.

Week 1-4
-120 mg Tren(1-6)
-100 mg Winabol
Week 2-6
-epistane 30mg

Other supps:
-acai berry
-animal pak
-cycle support
-zma night growth-houseofmuscle
-fish oil
-vitamen e
-amino 2222
whey/casein protien-optimum

PCT
-Retain-xtreme anabolic
-finadex-6(6 oxo clone)
-Liquid clen

Let me know what you think

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Im about to start a cycle of tren 19 nor by element nutrition, with winabol-generation x labs, and epistane. I have some experience with these products. Just would like to hear others opinions.

Week 1-4
-120 mg Tren(1-6)
-100 mg Winabol
Week 2-6
-epistane 30mg

Other supps:
-acai berry
-animal pak
-cycle support
-zma night growth-houseofmuscle
-fish oil
-vitamen e
-amino 2222
whey/casein protien-optimum

PCT
-Retain-xtreme anabolic
-finadex-6(6 oxo clone)
-Liquid clen

Let me know what you think

I personally would not run Clen during pct I would wait till after. 120mg maybe a little high for Tren really watch your BP if you go that high. I also would highly suggest a SERM as part of your pct more so if your running Tren that high you will be shutdown hard.

 

[crazyfool405]

I personally would not run Clen during pct I would wait till after. 120mg maybe a little high for Tren really watch your BP if you go that high. I also would highly suggest a SERM as part of your pct more so if your running Tren that high you will be shutdown hard.

what pem said,

if your intent on running clen which is absolutly great PCT dont go over 40mcg,

this will hold some anabolic properties after 2 weeks being on, as well as a mild anti catabolic... dose down accordingly when coming off

i would use CLOMID

120mg isnt a bad dose however you may wanna see how 90 feels for a few weeks.

and the winabol is that a orastan E clone? if it is you really need more like 300mg per day.

 

[TheLuch]

Will definitly take your advice on the clomid, and the clen. And they said that the winabol was a clone of winadrol and orastan a.
But how should and when should i start the clomid?
And how long should i stay on the clen?

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

Crazyfool, I'm wondering what the sitch is, because it seems as ever since I added 11-oxo/furazadrol to my epi cycle, my muscles appear less "full", less of a pump like I was constantly having on Epi. Is that just a side effect of 11-oxo/furaz on water retention? Or is there some interference that could occur between the compounds?

 

[andrew732]

Crazyfool, I'm wondering what the sitch is, because it seems as ever since I added 11-oxo/furazadrol to my epi cycle, my muscles appear less "full", less of a pump like I was constantly having on Epi. Is that just a side effect of 11-oxo/furaz on water retention? Or is there some interference that could occur between the compounds?

It would probably be from furzadrol which depletes glycogen from the muscles unlike epi.

 

[crazyfool405]

Crazyfool, I'm wondering what the sitch is, because it seems as ever since I added 11-oxo/furazadrol to my epi cycle, my muscles appear less "full", less of a pump like I was constantly having on Epi. Is that just a side effect of 11-oxo/furaz on water retention? Or is there some interference that could occur between the compounds?

besides that what else are you taking?

 

[TheLuch]

My goal is to get as lean and shreded as possible, cause im basically trying to transform my body, because im naturally bulky, so im trying to get a nice physique goin. Is my cycle goin to accomplish that?

 

[crazyfool405]

Your cycle will accomplish it somewhat. Its about your diet

I do 40mcg clen ed for 2 weeks and bump up 20mcg every 2 weeks

Look into glycobol pslin or slin. They will help monitor insulin block gluconeogenisis and increase free fatty acid flow. These all will help with ur recomp.

 

[TheLuch]

My diet is awesome imo.
Breakfeast-
1c post bluberry morning
1whole/3eggwhites
1 coop optimum whey
orange


-meal 2
6 oz can tuna
1/2 cup brown rice
2 oz celery
apple


-meal 3 pre workout
6 oz lean chicken
granola bar
1/2cup green beans
apple
2 tbs peanut butter, 1 slice whole wheat


-post workout
2 scoops whey
powerade


-meal 4
6 oz chicken
green beans
carrot


-meal 5
6 oz tuna
salad(no fat dressing)

-last meal
1 scoop casein

protien-274
carbs-156
fat-45.5
calories-2131.5

 

[crazyfool405]

Looks good increase ur fats a little and drop the fruit for every meal after breakfast.

Add oil to meal 4 and pb to last meal before bed

 

[TheLuch]

Alright thats sounds good. In your opinion what should i expect?

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

It would probably be from furzadrol which depletes glycogen from the muscles unlike epi.

That TOTALLY makes sense. I didn't know furazadrol did that...

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

besides that what else are you taking?

No new addition to my regime other than the furazadrol and 11 oxo. I tossed it in at the last two weeks to help with some addition leaning out/strength gain.

P.S. You were totally right, the 11-oxo has leaned out my face again. Yes!

I think Andrew was right about the furazadrol and glycogen. It's as if my muscles are in a glycogen depleted state, even though I am eating an adequate (granted lowered for dieting purposes) amount of carbs.

 

[crazyfool405]

Well even still lowered carbs with better utilizAtion from the steroids in terms of usuage can cause that to happen. Add in some ala with each dose and certainly before ur workout that should help

 

[elementrip]

Hey crazy the little brother came through with a late bday gift for me so im running a PH cycle =) Would have loved to wait for a run of real gear so it'd be out of my system come comp time but this will do. What're you running currently?

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

Well even still lowered carbs with better utilizAtion from the steroids in terms of usuage can cause that to happen. Add in some ala with each dose and certainly before ur workout that should help

Anyone know when RPN's DCP is gonna be back in stock and why it was gone to begin with?!?

 

[crazyfool405]

Salvia is incredibly hard to find. U can buy all the ingredients minus the salvia and get bioperine or bulk banaba and they act as dgat inhibitors as well

 

[crazyfool405]

Hey crazy the little brother came through with a late bday gift for me so im running a PH cycle =) Would have loved to wait for a run of real gear so it'd be out of my system come comp time but this will do. What're you running currently?

what am i currently running... anabolics : 450mg supertest (testblend) and 60mg pplex

next week 225 (or whatevers left in vial) possibly 80mg pplex to see how it is.

Fat burners:
Clen
Methyl Matrix
Raspberry ketone
vat attack
coleus
Zero Stim
Prop L carn
L Carn L Tart
Glutamine (help immune function as well as lower blood glucose)
Custom capsule mix along wth bulk powders (to be nameless until i get my LLC)
ginseng and ALA preworkout (lower glucose and upregulate glut1 and glut 4 transporter so i can feed my muscles with BCAAs more effectivly while training)

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

Salvia is incredibly hard to find. U can buy all the ingredients minus the salvia and get bioperine or bulk banaba and they act as dgat inhibitors as well

Do they act as DGAT inhibitors to the same degree as Salvia? If so, can they not just re-formulate DCP with bioperine or banaba as a substitution? (forgive my naivity on this if I am off-base)

 

[crazyfool405]

Do they act as DGAT inhibitors to the same degree as Salvia? If so, can they not just re-formulate DCP with bioperine or banaba as a substitution? (forgive my naivity on this if I am off-base)[/QUOTE

not to the same extent, however very close.

people dont like the water retention from the TTA though

speaking of which im off now for like 3 days, then my refeed was yesterday,

im antsy to see when this water drops,

but im still taking some methyl TTA wonder how that is with water retention,.

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

Do they act as DGAT inhibitors to the same degree as Salvia? If so, can they not just re-formulate DCP with bioperine or banaba as a substitution? (forgive my naivity on this if I am off-base)[/QUOTE

not to the same extent, however very close.

people dont like the water retention from the TTA though

speaking of which im off now for like 3 days, then my refeed was yesterday,

im antsy to see when this water drops,

but im still taking some methyl TTA wonder how that is with water retention,.

I think it depends on the dose of the TTA really. From what I can tell, since TTA agonizes all the PPAR receptors (just in order of greatest, to lesser agonization), it hits (slightly) the ppar gamma receptor located in the renal collecting duct.

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It should go away after a week or so. Some people say the potassium/vitamin b6 helps. But time off the compound is the ultimate factor in my opinion.

 

[crazyfool405]

LOL funny u just posted that i read over it looking up stuff on GDAs

check the supplement article subforum i just posted an INSANELY awesome GDA PDF file

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

LOL funny u just posted that i read over it looking up stuff on GDAs

check the supplement article subforum i just posted an INSANELY awesome GDA PDF file

Will do!

P.S. A cortisol lowering supplement might help you while you're waiting for the TTA to leave your system. Lean Extreme etc. Because of glucocorticoidal effect on mineral retention, lowering cortisol levels should balance the TTA induced water-retention until it clears (from what I am to understand, TTA builds up in your system and it takes about 1-2 weeks to clear depending on how much your dosage was).

I can't make any guarantees, but it's worth a shot, and whenever I've run lean xtreme w/ DCP, I've had no noticeable water retention.

 

[crazyfool405]

Will do!

P.S. A cortisol lowering supplement might help you while you're waiting for the TTA to leave your system. Lean Extreme etc. Because of glucocorticoidal effect on mineral retention, lowering cortisol levels should balance the TTA induced water-retention until it clears (from what I am to understand, TTA builds up in your system and it takes about 1-2 weeks to clear depending on how much your dosage was).

I can't make any guarantees, but it's worth a shot, and whenever I've run lean xtreme w/ DCP, I've had no noticeable water retention.

ive been on cort blockers and anabolics for a little too long now, my whole systems outta wack last shot is sunday,

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

ive been on cort blockers and anabolics for a little too long now, my whole systems outta wack last shot is sunday,

Vitamin b6 in high doses might help. Based on my research, it's diuretic effect is due to a slight suppression of aldosterone. That might counteract the TTA bloat.

 

[TheLuch]

I bought tren 19 nor from 2 different sites and the bottles are different in color and pill size, wat should i do?

 

[crazyfool405]

Well are they from the same company? Its not unusuall to have that as the fillers are different as well as cap size. Now if its tjhe same company I would contact them they may have changed their bottler which may of made the decision to use smaller bottles and smaller caps to fill the bottle or bigger caps with same bottle to make it appear more full

 

[elementrip]

what am i currently running... anabolics : 450mg supertest (testblend) and 60mg pplex

next week 225 (or whatevers left in vial) possibly 80mg pplex to see how it is.

Fat burners:
Clen
Methyl Matrix
Raspberry ketone
vat attack
coleus
Zero Stim
Prop L carn
L Carn L Tart
Glutamine (help immune function as well as lower blood glucose)
Custom capsule mix along wth bulk powders (to be nameless until i get my LLC)
ginseng and ALA preworkout (lower glucose and upregulate glut1 and glut 4 transporter so i can feed my muscles with BCAAs more effectivly while training)

I'm thinking of running epi and pplex. what mg's would you say is decent daily? I've only run each once. Your ancillaries are always so damn stout man! Loving seein' the clen up there Ran outta mine a little while ago, stims are so useless in comparison for cutting up

 

[andrew732]

P5P instead of regular B6, and yes a cortisol blocker will keep water retention to minimum.

 

[TheLuch]

Ya, i contacted them, waiting for a response. But ive been taking the one im not sure about for about 1 1/2 weeks so im a little pissed.

 

[TheLuch]

Im having irratation under my right nipple, i gave it a pinch and a clear substance came out, so i auto. dropped the tren(on 2 weeks) assuming that was doin it. I have letro and nolva. But i dont want to destroy my estro i just want to subside the symptoms. I have 4 weeks left of my epi and winabol. So wat should i do?

 

[crazyfool405]

Im having irratation under my right nipple, i gave it a pinch and a clear substance came out, so i auto. dropped the tren(on 2 weeks) assuming that was doin it. I have letro and nolva. But i dont want to destroy my estro i just want to subside the symptoms. I have 4 weeks left of my epi and winabol. So wat should i do?

in this case with everything your taking it could be a number of things.

winabol= probably not
epi= possibly estro rebound my blood work showed just SERM like effects with no loweing of e2 so it can be estrogen related
tren= can be from aromatizing and high hormone levels

i would have personally stayed ON the tren and added in adex

prolactin shows its signs in a high estadiol environment so that has to be a factor.

letro i would do .5mg e3d or .25 EOD and take it at night.

nolva wont do ****, for it except mask symptons that will show its face later on.

 

[crazyfool405]

oh and for the love of all that is body building....

REFRAIN FROM PLAYING WITH YOUR NIPPLE!