does prime actually work???

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no, i dont trust studies put on by companies in order to sell a product. big difference. perhaps you should look into some of the independent studies readily available online. hell no one even has access to this "prime study"

i have never heard before what you are telling me about the t. terrestris. very interesting. what products use this pre-fermented t. terrestris.

Why open a thread if all you want to do is bash the product not try it... if you are so worried about it go to supplement warehouse on the web and matcha price they will give you the price you put in plus 5% discount and free shipping if you qualify.

quit saying it wont work when you are asking will it work. you aren't doing anything but annoying people who have already been through this
 
your the one with the burden of proof. i have seen each profile because i used to work in a botany lab and tribulus species happened to be in some of the research manuals we used.

it appears as though they are both useless given the feedback of both on various boards. i started this thread with the intent that users would post positive feedback so maybe my mind would be changed...not a rep bashing me because i have knowledge that shows your product to be doubtfully effective.


No burden on me, I've been open about the research.

You should enlighten all of us. You should not hide this information from your fellow consumer.

I'm confident people would like to know your secrets.
 
We will bring the Money Back Guarantee sale soon...

My confidence with PRIME is strong.


are you talking about the 2pack sale on no that strategic was talking about...? just dont do it next week I'm on vacation somewhere with no computers, and internet isnt even a word in the dictionary
 
It may not have worked for you, but it can in no way be characterized as "one of the most worthless supplements ever created". This is just a ridiculous statement. I usually do not react like this, but this is simply over-doing it!

So your boss can say "could be missing out on the best supplement ever created" but i can't say the opposite? lol

Come on man, i know you are brighter then that.. Like i said it was MY experience, and to me one of the more worthless supplements..

I wouldn't argue with someone saying it was one of the best, if that is what they felt.
 
are you talking about the 2pack sale on no that strategic was talking about...? just dont do it next week I'm on vacation somewhere with no computers, and internet isnt even a word in the dictionary

Similar but better...
 
No burden on me, I've been open about the research.

You should enlighten all of us. You should not hide this information from your fellow consumer.

I'm confident people would like to know your secrets.

ok then wheres the research? can you link me to it please?
 
So your boss can say "could be missing out on the best supplement ever created" but i can't say the opposite? lol

Come on man, i know you are brighter then that.. Like i said it was MY experience, and to me one of the more worthless supplements..

I wouldn't argue with someone saying it was one of the best, if that is what they felt.

Come on you pretended to understand GNC and VS, and we are not holding that against your intelligence.

Insulting is the easy way out....
 
your the one with the burden of proof. i have seen each profile because i used to work in a botany lab and tribulus species happened to be in some of the research manuals we used.

it appears as though they are both useless given the feedback of both on various boards. i started this thread with the intent that users would post positive feedback so maybe my mind would be changed...not a rep bashing me because i have knowledge that shows your product to be doubtfully effective.

I ventured into this thread because I thought you were looking for a balanced feedback on PRIME to support your go-or-no-go decision. If I had known your mind was made up from the start to show that your lab manual proves that T. Terrestriss and all other Tribulus do not work, irrespective of extracted active, I would have spared myself the bother.
 
I'll say it again try it for yourself or dont it's working very well for me but you wont know till you try it
 
I ventured into this thread because I thought you were looking for a balanced feedback on PRIME to support your go-or-no-go decision. If I had known your mind was made up from the start to show that your lab manual proves that T. Terrestriss and all other Tribulus do not work, irrespective of extracted active, I would have spared myself the bother.

We are not dealing with a right mind.

It works or it doesn't work statement says it all...
 
ditto give a go, or don't...just let it go man. quit fighting it when it would appear that all you want is a fight. you aren't gonna get anywhere there are people on both sides. try it or dont
 
Come on you pretended to understand GNC and VS, and we are not holding that against your intelligence.

Insulting is the easy way out....

You, yourself said GNC offers incentives.. lol

Either way, i don't feel GNC or VS are the end all be all to supplementation.. Actually quite the opposite.

Lastly, which part of my post was insulting?
 
You, yourself said GNC offers incentives.. lol

Either way, i don't feel GNC or VS are the end all be all to supplementation.. Actually quite the opposite.

Lastly, which part of my post was insulting?

The supplement Companies sold within GNC offer the incentives not GNC.....
 
I ventured into this thread because I thought you were looking for a balanced feedback on PRIME to support your go-or-no-go decision. If I had known your mind was made up from the start to show that your lab manual proves that T. Terrestriss and all other Tribulus do not work, irrespective of extracted active, I would have spared myself the bother.
thats not the case. i told you why i didnt think it didnt work. no need for arguement on your or usplabs behalf. i appreciate all of the other responses in here and it appears as though prime does not work given most of the responses. thank you.

what you guys also fail to realize is that i never said prime did not work. i said the profiles are very similar so it is DOUBTFUL that it will work in my eyes. but hell i dont know, thats why i asked for anecdotal feedback.
 
...it appears as though prime does not work given most of the responses.... .

If that is your synthesis of the entire thread, then to each his own. Thank you.
 
I will answer your questions with your own words.

you are an imbecile. go ahead and keep insulting those who bring more to the table than your useless propaganda and e-thuggery. you have not once in this thread made ANY scientific contribution or ANY mention of the steroidal saponins. in fact, you just said to go to a gnc or vs and ask. thanks for your help. now we know how extensive your knowledge is on your own products.
 
you are an imbecile. go ahead and keep insulting those who bring more to the table than your useless propaganda and e-thuggery. you have not once in this thread made ANY scientific contribution or ANY mention of the steroidal saponins. in fact, you just said to go to a gnc or vs and ask. thanks for your help. now we know how extensive your knowledge is on your own products.

What is this name calling business? The individual you responded to is not only the Chief Product Formulator at USPLabs, but also the owner. Take a look at the entire range of USPLabs' product line and it should be clear to you whether or not he understands "steroidal saponins" and "steroidal glycosides".
 
i am seeing one person in here saying prime worked for them but that person was also using many other products in conjunction.

Fine! As you please! Cheers and bye!
 
What is this name calling business? The individual you responded to is not only the Chief Product Formulator at USPLabs, but also the owner. Take a look at the entire range of USPLabs' product line and it should be clear to you whether or not he understands "steroidal saponins" and "steroidal glycosides".

he called me dumb, ignorant and a few other words above when i made no mention of him. im simply replying.

too bad, i liked some of usp labs products but i wont be buying them anymore.
 
Let me give my unbiased review of Prime because this thread has gone south.

I started prime bought two bottles to maintain my strength during baseball season i noticed a nice pump during the first week at 6 caps a day i uped my dose to 9 caps a day at the start of week 3, i dropped about 5 pounds into week 3 mostly fat i leaned down then granted i started eating worse and gained it back. I gained a significant amount of strength and muscle for trying to maintain. Most people on my team were losing muscle due to all the running but i was gaining maybe not steadily but was gaining. Can i say this is as good as a ph no but its a solid product that offers benefits, its not a miracle supplement but a solid supplement that will be a staple during my summer cut aswell as me trying recreate.

This was my first USPlabs product i have used and i must say i loved it USPlabs got my business.
 
Look at these threads and say it doesnt work.......

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My guess is the guys that say it doesnt work dosed 6 caps 5 days a week not 69 protocol or higher the higher you dose the better.....

And why are you trying to find something wrong with this product is it possible its a solid product you just dont want to believe it.
 
I've been on powerfull, was on anabolic pump but I went on ckd, and recreate... started to get better results in the gym...

a month ago I added PRIME, I get it, it might not be for everyone. My Recovery from my w/o's have gone from two days, down to less than a day, and every week I've been adding 15lbs on my squats for four weeks straight. not maxing out weight but my 6sets x 6 reps consistent weight...

Am I in the best shape, no. Could I be getting these kick ass gains without Prime, I don't think so, but I dont know for sure...

What I do know is that when I started dosing prime at 3 x3 a day my recoveries went from slow to nothing. I can blow myself every day, and go till I fail...When I use the smith machine, and the next day I can still walk with ease. This leads to more muscle growth.

so perhaps prime works because you train harder b/c of less pain and faster recovery means you go further...faster...and then can do it again. but I'm not the expert on USPLabs products. All I know is I like them, I can push myself all the way today and then again tomorrow. no other supp's have ever offered me that.

the recovery alone to me is worth the price... but the fact that I can keep lifting more helps my pride for sure!

I'm with you all the way, it work very well for me ... but, next time don't use the words 'i can blow myself every day, and go till I fail

Just kidding you man, but it was kinda funny to read that'
 
when prime first came out i grabed 3 bottles at the cheap release price and ran it 3*3 a day 5 on 2 off, i gained alot on my squat machine instead of doing 5 reps i managed to up it to 10 within 2 weeks then i started putting more weight on i nearly doubled the weight for the same reps, my bench didnt change much at all which was disapointing about 10 lb but my wide grip chin went from 1 or 2 reps body weight max then 30lb assisted to doing 5*3 unassisted

the positive mood this stuff left me with was great all i can say was i just felt good and a bit outgoing

stacking prime with p slin made me a endurance machine after hitting pb's on many lifts id back it up with cardio and never felt like running out of energy

1 negative thing was my poo's were very loose while on prime

later in the year i plan on having another run of prime when i find it on special
 
i've used prime, i had really good strength increases with it, as far as my body changing, i didn't notice to much of a difference, i started off taking it only with meals, and taking jacked before my workout, i then took the prime with the jacked before my workouts and thats when i gained tons of focus and it felt like i could keep adding weight to whatever i was doing and i'd be able to handle it, i'd say it worked for me but i'd defiantly get some jacked to stack with it
 
Personally I've ran a couple bottles of the stuff and had some pretty good strength gains. I'm a fairly well developed athlete, so any gains made by simply by using a product for 30 days, let alone a natural one, is fantastic. Less soreness was apparent by about the third day of continuous use, strength gains started around week 3. Better strength gains, from my experience, than I would have had off of a milder PH like a 4 chloro but not quite as good as say Epi. Of course, I didn't wreck my liver and I didn't need a PCT so it saved me money and potential body damage/stress. I'm planning on using Prime along side my pct to help keep strength up after an injectable cycle and I can report back in if there's interest as to how well it helps for that, too.
 
i am seeing one person in here saying prime worked for them but that person was also using many other products in conjunction.

Then you are not looking because myself and about 4 others have said that it worked and a few said it was decent at least ...

I think that your hypothesis was that it was bunk. You were looking for evidence to change or support the hypo, however, it would have taken a monumental collab of YES IT WORKED PERFECTLY for you to have changed your stance. That was a lose lose for any of us that supported PRIME.
 
you are an imbecile. go ahead and keep insulting those who bring more to the table than your useless propaganda and e-thuggery. you have not once in this thread made ANY scientific contribution or ANY mention of the steroidal saponins. in fact, you just said to go to a gnc or vs and ask. thanks for your help. now we know how extensive your knowledge is on your own products.


:dunno:
 
Then you are not looking because myself and about 4 others have said that it worked and a few said it was decent at least ...

I think that your hypothesis was that it was bunk. You were looking for evidence to change or support the hypo, however, it would have taken a monumental collab of YES IT WORKED PERFECTLY for you to have changed your stance. That was a lose lose for any of us that supported PRIME.


Someone please ask this kid to post the science.
 
i am seeing one person in here saying prime worked for them but that person was also using many other products in conjunction.

If u would have read my log u would see that I have used the other products many times before I don't bulk I eat around maintenance calories and only with the introduction of prime did I start to gain weight so like I said it works for me very well
 
you are an imbecile. go ahead and keep insulting those who bring more to the table than your useless propaganda and e-thuggery. you have not once in this thread made ANY scientific contribution or ANY mention of the steroidal saponins. in fact, you just said to go to a gnc or vs and ask. thanks for your help. now we know how extensive your knowledge is on your own products.

How do you question someone on science when you have yet to present any science in your defense?

Is anabolicMinds playing a cruel joke? Where is Ashton Kutcher? I must be getting Punk'd.
 
he's right behind you... he wants your product x thats why he's screwing with prime! can I get some too?
 
I'm with you all the way, it work very well for me ... but, next time don't use the words 'i can blow myself every day, and go till I fail

Just kidding you man, but it was kinda funny to read that'


Wait you can't blow yourself?!? wow must suck to be you.:684:
 
How do you question someone on science when you have yet to present any science in your defense?

Is anabolicMinds playing a cruel joke? Where is Ashton Kutcher? I must be getting Punk'd.

It absolutely amazes me how the owner of USP can act the way you do. You have no respect for anyone except people who like your products. God forbid someone negatively comments on your product....

Do you notice how only USP gets into these types of threads? Its because other companies have real reps who understand how to treat potential customers. I will give credit to your one and only rep who really should probably run your company since you obviously have difficulties with customer relations. Mullet is your only saving grace.. Notice how he doesn't get into these d1ck measuring threads? Only you do and your other sidekick.
 
Benefiting from Belief

Researchers have been studying the placebo effect for decades. In 1955, researcher H.K. Beecher published his groundbreaking paper "The Powerful Placebo," in which he concluded that, across the 26 studies he analyzed, an average of 32 percent of patients responded to placebo. In the 1960s, breakthrough studies showed the potential physiological effects of dummy pills--they tended to speed up pulse rate, increase blood pressure, and improve reaction speeds, for example, when participants were told they had taken a stimulant, and had the opposite physiological effects when participants were told they had taken a sleep-producing drug.

Yet, even after 40 years, big questions remain about the interplay of psychological and physiological mechanisms that contribute to the placebo effect. Today's brain imagery techniques do lend support, though, to the theory that thoughts and beliefs not only affect one's psychological state, but also cause the body to undergo actual biological changes.

The phenomenon needn't baffle us, says Michael Jospe, a professor at the California School of Professional Psychology who has studied the placebo effect for more than 20 years. He points out that all people experience physiological reactions to anticipation and stress--something like the fight-or-flight response--that help them to survive and cope. When you step out of your office and a spider jumps out at you, Jospe analogizes, "you'll get a fright and have a physiological reaction. And the next time you go out that way, the thought that it could happen again can produce a physiological reaction before you even open the door." So, he says, the relationship between a thought and a negative psychophysiological reaction like fear is something we experience daily.

That goes for positive associations, too, Jospe continues. "The placebo effect is part of the human potential to react positively to a healer. You can reduce a patient's distress by doing something which might not be medically effective." It's like kids and Band-Aids, Jospe says. "When you put a Band-Aid on a child and it has stars or comics on it, it can actually make the kid feel better by its soothing effect, though there's no medical reason it should make the child feel better."

There is no medical reason, either, that look-alike placebo tablets used in a 1997 study of benign enlargement of the prostate gland should have made the study participants feel better. But in this Canadian study, more than half of the men who got the placebo pills reported significant relief from their symptoms, including faster urine flow. Researcher J. Curtis Nickel theorized that the patients' positive expectations of the experimental drug's benefits may have caused therapeutic smooth muscle relaxation by decreasing nerve activity affecting the bladder, prostate and urethra. Study participants on placebo complained of side effects, too (sometimes called the "nocebo" effect), ranging from impotence and reduced sex drive to nausea, diarrhea and constipation.

It's this powerful placebo effect, coupled with the fact that many medical conditions involve a natural course of better and worse periods (arthritis and multiple sclerosis are examples of diseases with flair-ups and lulls), that can make it difficult to know if a health upswing should be credited to a drug effect. One way to account for such variables in a drug study: give one group of patients placebo and another the experimental drug, and see if the drug group's health improvements sufficiently surpass those from placebo. In Straus' study, the chronic fatigue syndrome drug failed to adequately demonstrate its superiority over dummy pills.


32%, sounds in line with the pecentage of Prime responders...
 
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Do you notice how only USP gets into these types of threads? Its because other companies have real reps who understand how to treat potential customers. I will give credit to your one and only rep who really should probably run your company since you obviously have difficulties with customer relations. Mullet is your only saving grace.. Notice how he doesn't get into these d1ck measuring threads? Only you do and your other sidekick.

The feeling is mutual. I do not post here at AM to please you. That will never be my goal. You inject most of the negative attitude in threads about USPLabs' products. You can adore who you want. I just could not care less. I do what I can here at AnabolicMinds to Learn, Teach, Lead. One or two others here realize and appreciate that. You don't, and it just does not matter. You should look for more worthy things to devote your time to. By the way, this will be my last response to any of your comments in the forum, regardless what.
 
Well I have been at this for a long time.. I am very experienced have tried lots of supps that I had full confidence in that did not pan out for me. I have tried some that did work fairly well. I can guarantee one thing .. I know my body very well and am in tune with it.

20 some years of experience and I mean dialed in experience. Candidate for placebo effects.. I think not. Most of the experienced users some much more experienced than myself have had positive effects using Prime. Are there non-resonders... yes I am sure there are. Like everything else it does not work the same for everyone.

Prime is the best natural supplement I have ever encountered. (for me) It has completely changed the rules for me. During recomp I get much stronger and remain full and hard at all times. I can eat normally and still lose fat. I can eat lots and not gain fat but gain plenty of mass. I don't lose muscle if I reduce calories. I have put on as much as 70 lbs on core lifts in a 4 week period. I have gained 7 lbs and lost 3 lbs of fat during an 8 week period. Because of Prime I estimate my competition weight to be increased by at least 20 lbs, this over a years time of using Prime off and on.

I have seen people lose up to 40 lbs and get stronger over all. A person prepare for competition and actually gain muscle during the final several weeks. That is incredible!! Those who have competed will know what I am talking about. Imagine going for around 6% body fat down to 4% and gaining a lb of mass. Imagine losing 42 lbs and your lift totals increasing. The rules have changed utterly and it's because of Prime. I feel sorry for those who don't respond. The evidence is overwhelming though Prime works incredibly for some people. I for one will be cycling it indefinitely... at least till something better comes along...

I have no problem with someone saying Prime doesn't work for them. I do get irked when someone tries to tell me it doesn't work for me and that I am experiencing some Placebo effect. Placebo pffft .. what do you know about me.
 
The feeling is mutual. I do not post here at AM to please you. That will never be my goal. You inject most of the negative attitude in threads about USPLabs' products. You can adore who you want. I just could not care less. I do what I can here at AnabolicMinds to Learn, Teach, Lead. One or two others here realize and appreciate that. You don't, and it just does not matter. You should look for more worthy things to devote your time to. By the way, this will be my last response to any of your comments in the forum, regardless what.

:dunno: He's not all bad but he can be rather obtuse at times. Maybe he just gets bored.
 
:dunno: He's not all bad but he can be rather obtuse at times. Maybe he just gets bored.

The thing is no matter what a "customer" does or says, it should be up to the company to refrain from acting out. You may not like everything a customer has to say, but rather than try and be an e-thug and a typing gangster trying to defend your products, a simple response could be... I appreciate your comments and you are entitled to them.. Why would a company want to get into a pissing match on a public forum and possibly turn off people to their products by their behavior. No other company owner comes out and acts the way Jacob does. They realize the repercussions of running their business that way. To each is their own, what works for me may do nothing for you. At the end of the day I think we are all entitled to our opinions and should not have to keep our mouths closed when we feel a product is overpriced and hyped. If someone asks, does product A work, and I've tried it, my opinion has every right to be heard. Its amazing how a little bit of a bank roll can go right to someones head....... Its even more amazing how quickly that can get taken away by making constant bad decisions.
 
The thing is no matter what a "customer" does or says, it should be up to the company to refrain from acting out. You may not like everything a customer has to say, but rather than try and be an e-thug and a typing gangster trying to defend your products, a simple response could be... I appreciate your comments and you are entitled to them.. Why would a company want to get into a pissing match on a public forum and possibly turn off people to their products by their behavior. No other company owner comes out and acts the way Jacob does. They realize the repercussions of running their business that way. To each is their own, what works for me may do nothing for you. At the end of the day I think we are all entitled to our opinions and should not have to keep our mouths closed when we feel a product is overpriced and hyped. If someone asks, does product A work, and I've tried it, my opinion has every right to be heard. Its amazing how a little bit of a bank roll can go right to someones head....... Its even more amazing how quickly that can get taken away by making constant bad decisions.

Ok lets step back and look at the big picture. I undertand that you want to voice your opinion, however you do tend to be (or seem to be) somewhat close minded at times. Joe this is a fact ... different people have different reactions to the same herb... accept it. I will defend your right to be able to convey your personal experience about a product. Just don't take your personal experience and try to reflect it on others. It's offensive. Nobody will get upset if you just simply state "Prime does not work fore me" but will get irked if you say "Prime does not work for me" therefore "does not work for anybody". The only thing you really know is that it does not work for you, which I believe wholeheartedly. Too bad it's a great supp, there are others out there though that may work better for you.

Now for anyone else who hasn't tried Prime ... well you will never know untill you do. Joe tried it, it didn't work for him. I tried it, it worked very well for me. Now it's up to you if you want to take the risk. Not too complicated really.
 
Im on my second bottle of prime and ummm the only claim that is true is the intense workouts, i mean damn I feel like Im killing it everytime and I only workout 3 days a week, strictly compound exercises with different rep ranges, sets and rest periods mon wed and fri. But...the gains are not there, no enormous strenght gains im not flinging weights around. I will agree it is potent stuff, when I forget to stop taking it after friday (5on 2 off as the reccomend) my head is buzzing my mind is tight, anyway not worth the money, Just train hard and properly!!!! Eat right, creatine, protein, glutamine, bcaa's,multi-vit,aakg,zma, and you should be good to go I am 30 yrs and have finally realized that all these magical "muscle pills" are all BS! Go for AAS if you want magic muscle. And guys....the hottest girls out there really dont want "mikey meathead creatine monohydrate bloat type guy" Now if you want to impress other guys, and are constantly looking at other guys in the gym dead in the eye go for it buy all these "quick fix get huge in 2 week supps" Train naturally and properly and your mind and personality will propell you into a new world of reality that most guys dont know of and also where the hottest girls are. Its worked for me but Im only in NYC so what do I now, right?
 
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