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Now I have heard of people putting on 20lb of mostly pure muscle on DS'z like MDrol(3 weeks) and such, my ? Is this for real? Can a $30 bottle that can last you up to 2 cycles realy give you 20lbs of muscle? I find it hard to belive! If it was true people would not spend so much money on real gear right? Or am I missing somthing?

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with mdrol some glycogen storage is likely so a gain of 15lbs for 3-4 week cycle can end up 11-12
but yes i know a few guys who have kept the weight on but you have to keep up the diet and training intensity
if you are at genetic potential and you cant hold onto thwe muscle wit out roids then you will eventually normalize
 
I just think to my self "10-15lbs",d@mn!? Have you seen 15lbs of meat!? If you could get 15lbs in 3 weeks we would all be pro BBers in 1 year!

I have also heard of people using real gear for 8 week only only getting 20lbs?! I don't get this? Why would you risk getting real gear when you could get MDrol! For real, I don't get it?!

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I can assure you it is much more than 30 dollars. You have to take in account support supplements and PCT items. Not to mention the knowledge on what to take, what to buy, when to take it and how. Spend just 30 dollars and that will easily turn into 20 times the amount it would cost to do it the right way.

$30 M-drol (No support supplements, PCT)=Shutdown, Lethargic, Low Test levels, Gyno=$5,000 PLUS maintainence of meds and such to take the rest of your life.

Keep in mind with all those pounds you gain, you have to adjust calories and such. DOnt do that, and you lose it all as soon as you come off.
 
Every one see the talk about gettin 15lbs in 3 week and is ready to sell there souls to the devil him self!8)

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also your first post you mentioned "real gear" not tryin to be a dik but superdrol is a steroid... gear...
dont underestimate it bro
are your height and weight accurate on your profile?
and whats your age and bf%?
what supps have you taken before
 
Lets be honest here. M-drol is not going to be putting on 15lbs of muscle in 3 weeks. As someone else posted, your weight is going up (well mine isn't so far) fast but it still takes time for you to gain muscle. The main reasons these oral designers are used is because of legal issues/availability....not because of effectiveness/safety when compared to injectable AAS. They are not replacements. And for the 17yr old...stay away from these and use what your body is making for now.
 
Lets be honest here. M-drol is not going to be putting on 15lbs of muscle in 3 weeks. As someone else posted, your weight is going up (well mine isn't so far) fast but it still takes time for you to gain muscle. The main reasons these oral designers are used is because of legal issues/availability....not because of effectiveness/safety when compared to injectable AAS. They are not replacements. And for the 17yr old...stay away from these and use what your body is making for now.

Absolutely true. If you are gaining more than 1.5 to 2 pounds per week then it is likely water/glycogen/fat weight gain. Compounds like mdrol and M1T have set the bar ridiculously high becase now everyone exepects that kind of weight gain from any supplement or DS they try. So, when someone uses havoc and they only gain 5 pounds in 6 weeks they are like "what the hell? - this crap doesn't work"
 
Absolutely true. If you are gaining more than 1.5 to 2 pounds per week then it is likely water/glycogen/fat weight gain. Compounds like mdrol and M1T have set the bar ridiculously high becase now everyone exepects that kind of weight gain from any supplement or DS they try. So, when someone uses havoc and they only gain 5 pounds in 6 weeks they are like "what the hell? - this crap doesn't work"

I think alot of it depends how close they are to the point where they have to struggle for muscle. I could see someone at 140(def shouldnt use though) who has been working out for a year using m-drol and putting on 15 pounds pretty easy, just because their body has that kind of expectancy built into it. I mean that would only be 155. Not exactly at a killer weight. And on The One there are people claiming 20lbs and they arent even finished yet.

From what I see crappy gains seem to come from poor diet/poor training. Though if your already a large built man, say 5'10" @220 lb of muscle.....it might be hard for even a PH to add some serious muscle i thinks.

So many factors play into this stuff. Every one acts like its linear, and that it follows a single rule set. Bad sides can happen even with every precaution taken from what I have seen. Seems to be the nature of the beast. If you are going to play with the big boys, accept the dangers involved. You may gain 5lbs, you may gain 15 lbs, by some freak accident you may gain more.

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also your first post you mentioned "real gear" not tryin to be a dik but superdrol is a steroid... gear...
dont underestimate it bro
are your height and weight accurate on your profile?
and whats your age and bf%?
what supps have you taken before

I have only done bold 200. I'm a new to all this. Yes I know about all the support and PCT but my question is, can mdrol and clones realy put 15lbs of real muscle on you?

I'm now 165lb with like 12% body fat(I'm like 5 foot 6 with my shoes one, I'm short I know this). Now I'm not trying to jump on the SUPERDROL band wagon, I just want to know if 15lb of muscle in 3 week can realy happen? I just don't think so! And with real gear people may put on them 20lb in 8 or more weeks so I have read. And that's why I don't think 15lbs of muscle is really goin to happen with 3 week of mdrol.

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like people said 15lb in 3 weeks is mostly water/glycogen which goes away when you stop. i went from 225-237 in 3 weeks on mdrol but 1 month after i was back at ~230 eating the same diet.

i think a big reason people gain so much weight is some of the harsh orals mess with your salt ratios and make you effectively store a bunch of salt water...look at the blood pressure/cramping issues.
 
like people said 15lb in 3 weeks is mostly water/glycogen which goes away when you stop. i went from 225-237 in 3 weeks on mdrol but 1 month after i was back at ~230 eating the same diet.

i think a big reason people gain so much weight is some of the harsh orals mess with your salt ratios and make you effectively store a bunch of salt water...look at the blood pressure/cramping issues.



good point... the "strongest" orals (the ones people are sayin 12+ lb gains) always have loggers adding taurine for back pumps and downing tons of water for their calfs and such
 
ok, i am speaking from experience, i have done both a cycle of m-drol, and i have cycled the "real" stuff. What most people are noticing on m-drol is water weight, this stuff makes you retain water like crazy, i am genetically gifted, i went from 243lbs to 255 in about 2 weeks, but i expect a loss of 4-5 pounds when i come off mdrol. not only that i train with very high intensity because i am a competitive bber, i continually ride that thin line between gains and injury, prior to using either compound i was an all natty bber, for about 5 years, and i went from welters to super heavyweight naturally, once i reached the supers i needed an edge, so i went to the dark side. why am i telling you this you ask? because i am saying that i pushed my body to its utmost natural potential before even considering using these compounds. i didnt even try my first cycle until this year at 25yo. i have been training since i was 15 and competing since i was 19. DO NOT USE THESE COMPOUNDS AT A YOUNG AGE!!! i cannot tell you how hard it is to get my body and my "nuts" back to normal after a cycle, at a young age you could potentially ruin your bodies ability to produce certain hormones (testosterone) naturally and you can also stunt your growth. and what girl wants a 17y/o bf with B**ch tits. Also i keep a diet log of every single ounce of food that goes in my body, and i consume 6500 calories a day, everything i do is perfectly balanced for my body, THAT only comes with time and experience, if you cant even dial your diet in properly, how can you expect to properly use any "compound" effectively. Please, save yourself from being another "wash-out" meat head at a young age, dont ruin your genetic potential, wait until your older and you can honestly say that you have done all you can do.
 
I did a 6 week cycle of T-Roid (tren extreme). On cycle I was up 22lbs at one point, when I came off i dropped about 6lbs which must have been glycogen/water.

I have just finished PCT and my weight has started to go back up again. I am currently 18lbs up from my pre T-roid cycle.

But bare in mind I was only 170lbs when I started and I did completely revamp my diet and training which is probably more important than the actual t-roid.

Only thing I am currently struggling with is my strength. It went up a lot while on cycle but since coming off I have not been able to lift any heavier..... I have well and truely hit a wall.

Having a week off this next week and then I will be going back to the gym freash and hoping i can go up some weight on my workouts.
 
$30 M-drol (No support supplements, PCT)=Shutdown, Lethargic, Low Test levels, Gyno=$5,000 PLUS maintainence of meds and such to take the rest of your life.

I like to treat designers like marijunana in terms of explaining to people the dangers... Keep it real and honest and don't try and tell them that you're looking at death and destruction. The above quote may be an extreme circumstance but isn't the norm when it comes to a cycle without support sups.
 
Well i took that all from a buddy of mine who took a 30 dollar bottle of Mdrol with no support supplements or PCT. His strength went up yea, but he was a mess. Looked like that guy from fight club before his gyno surgery, and after that he has to pay for HRT and other meds. Liver gave out, BP skyrocketed. He is always tired, ended up getting fat from eating to "maintain" his gains. Trust me, it is bad.
 
I have rebounded from many M1T cycles without PCT and it was pretty damn bad... My body recovered eventually though with some lasting reminders but my point is that it isn't always going to be an extreme ending.
 
good point... the "strongest" orals (the ones people are sayin 12+ lb gains) always have loggers adding taurine for back pumps and downing tons of water for their calfs and such

Yep and you can really quite easily identify compounds with similar effect/side effect profiles and begin to realize that not all AAS do this.
 
I did a cycle of Epistane, which seems to be the mildest out of all these PH/DS according to these boards, when I turned 22 and deeply regret doing so. I had the proper support supps and pct in place, but due to a lifestyle change I wasn't able to follow everything according to plan (I posted about this in the IBE forum). Long story short, I gained 15 lbs in 4 weeks...and then lost 15 lbs in 4 weeks. And I can't even say I was back to where I started because my body composition changed horribly. My body fat went up 4% according to this Omron body fat tester I have (I'm not sure how accurate it is, but my once near perfect mid section turned into a bloated 4 pack).

My diet wasn't the problem because it stayed pretty much the same. I'm still trying to figure out what happened, obviously I messed up my hormonal levels pretty bad, but I think what krogtaar said had a lot to do with it. It's one year later and I'm slowly starting to get back to where I was, but I just puffed up a lot and lost a lot of definition. My strength increased on almost all lifts while on cycle but it wasn't worth it at all to me. I wish I never would have done that cycle...I'm not knocking PH/DS, but make sure you're old enough and understand what you're getting yourself into before you fool around with any of this stuff.
 
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