What should I take

gunz33

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Background:
I started lifting going into my freshman year of high school. I was short ( 5'6" ) and as scrawny as could be ( 120 pounds) I had 12 inch arms, you could see my ribs, pencil neck, twig arms and small legs. I lifted 1 hour a day 6 days a week and took in literally 8000 calories per day not including protein shakes. I took in 180 grams of protein just like i was supposed to. I started creatine a month after i started lifting. 10 mg a day. I gained 10 pounds in 1 year....



Which brings me here. I am absolutely fed up with working my a** off in the gym and not getting results. I am now 16, weigh 135 pounds and 5' 8" tall. I have 13 inch biceps. Still have a pencil neck after doing neck bridges and exercises every other day. I still have twig forearms after doing crazy arm workout and chugging shakes. And most disappointing, i am still a skinny **** and can see all my ribs after taking in 8000 calories and chugging protein. Strength has gone up no doubt. I added 100 pounds to my bench in 1 year. Went from curling with 15 pound dumbells to 40 pound dumbells. Squat, up 130 pounds. Military up 50 pounds. And most amazing of all.....I can leg press 1080. One thousand eighty pound legpress..... tell me again how im still a scrawny **** with no mass or size increase what so ever.

I went to my doctor and told him everything. He gave me the bull**** takl of dont take protein, you're too young, dont train more than twice a week and dont overdo the lifting.

I did my own research and found squats and leg press are supposed to spike you hormone levels. If im doing these crazy heavy legs i should be getting very good hormone production right?

I went back to the doctors and he said i was wrong but gave me tests anyways so i could leave. The results came back an i had way below average hormone levels. He ran some more tests and checked my background and told me i stopped my hormone production to the rate of a 30 year old due to a family inherited defect or something like that. Anyways he told me i was safe to do supplements and things like that. SO.....

I am absolutely sick of being small. I literally start to punch things and throw **** sometimes over how small i still am and how a kid that went into the gym smaller than me is twice my size now after doing literally the exact same workout and supps.

Therefore, I want to know THE BEST STACK/SUPPLEMENT/CYCLE/ANABOLIC OR PH you know of that wont kill me or give me gyno. All i want is a **** load of size. I'm sick of being scrawny after spending ****ing 10 hours a week in a gym and chuggin down these proteins and weight gainers and creatines and not getting results.

Tell me the best size gainer that will get me HUGE FAST. I looked into Methyl 1-D but it didnt seem like it does much in terms of size. Let me know what to take to get HUGEEE!!!!!
 
i dont think anyone here will support you in wanting to take ph especially if you have this messed up hormone thing...whats gonna happen if you go into suppression
 
Talk to your doc. Which hormones are low? If test he could run some tests and prescribe you what you need to get to a "normal" level.
 
gunz33 said:
I can leg press 1080. One thousand eighty pound legpress..... tell me again how im still a scrawny **** with no mass or size increase what so ever.
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Because you cannot leg press 1000+ pounds... Drop that weight down to about 200 or less and touch your knees to your chest.

At 16 years old, you still have a lot of growing to do. You even said yourself you've grown about 2" and gained 20 pounds in 2 years or so.

You absolutely do NOT need to mess with PHs or AASs at 16. You will ruin the rest of your life because you have low self-esteem at 16. Sh*t man, EVERYONE has doubts about themselves at 16.....

Get your diet in check, talk to your physician about your hormone issues and get that all squared away, learn how to lift the RIGHT WAY and leave your ego at the door when you hit the gym at school.
 
EasyEJL said:
post your 8000 calorie diet
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Diet:
Wake up 2 scoops of weight gainer ( Muscle Juice 2544 )
2 eggs (scrambled) with light cheese
glass of milk
glass of orange juice
bagel on way to school

Snack between classes
MetRX Collosal bar ( big cookie crunch )

Lunch:
two peanut butter jelly sandwhiches
milk
banana
2 scoops weight gainer

snack:
shake ( MetRX all natural protein )

Dinner:
Chicken, Steak, or Beef.
Potatoes
Salad
rice (sometimes)

Before Bed:
Syntha-6 protein shake
 
ShiftyCapone said:
Because you cannot leg press 1000+ pounds... Drop that weight down to about 200 or less and touch your knees to your chest.

At 16 years old, you still have a lot of growing to do. You even said yourself you've grown about 2" and gained 20 pounds in 2 years or so.

You absolutely do NOT need to mess with PHs or AASs at 16. You will ruin the rest of your life because you have low self-esteem at 16. Sh*t man, EVERYONE has doubts about themselves at 16.....

Get your diet in check, talk to your physician about your hormone issues and get that all squared away, learn how to lift the RIGHT WAY and leave your ego at the door when you hit the gym at school.
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Number 1: I can and DO legpress 1080 and i do know how to do it
Number 2: I know how to lift
Number 3: I dont lift at school

Last, i'm just asking you guys for a stack or supp that will give me good size gains. Help me out don't just comment saying something that doesnt even answer my question
 
EasyEJL said:
post your 8000 calorie diet
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Agreed....

And I also HIGHLY doubt you can curl 40lb DBs properly... Not trying to be a di*k, I'm just trying to emphasize the importance of form.

I do Alternating DB Curls on an Incline Bench to help ensure i'm not swinging or putting my back into it. I also isolate my biceps by doing standing Preacher Curls with DBs. I fully extend my arm all the way down to get a nice long stretch and then slowly curl back up into a hard flex...

Also, post up your weekly training split...
 
gunz33 said:
Diet:
Wake up 2 scoops of weight gainer ( Muscle Juice 2544 )
2 eggs (scrambled) with light cheese
glass of milk
glass of orange juice
bagel on way to school

Snack between classes
MetRX Collosal bar ( big cookie crunch )

Lunch:
two peanut butter jelly sandwhiches
milk
banana
2 scoops weight gainer

snack:
shake ( MetRX all natural protein )

Dinner:
Chicken, Steak, or Beef.
Potatoes
Salad
rice (sometimes)

Before Bed:
Syntha-6 protein shake
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I'm not really seeing how you get 8000 calories out of that. Lunch should contain some lean meat or other quaility protein source. You are focusing way too much on supplemental nutrition. You're not eating enough WHOLE foods...

When do you workout? You never mentioned anything about a Post-Workout shake/meal
 
gunz33 said:
Diet:
Wake up 2 scoops of weight gainer ( Muscle Juice 2544 )
2 eggs (scrambled) with light cheese
glass of milk
glass of orange juice
bagel on way to school

Snack between classes
MetRX Collosal bar ( big cookie crunch )

Lunch:
two peanut butter jelly sandwhiches
milk
banana
2 scoops weight gainer

snack:
shake ( MetRX all natural protein )

Dinner:
Chicken, Steak, or Beef.
Potatoes
Salad
rice (sometimes)

Before Bed:
Syntha-6 protein shake
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that's not enough solid food. weight gainer shakes are really only useable for pre/post workout shakes - they're not a constant source of energy. look at your diet vs my bulking diet (i was 126 when i started). basically, the quality of your calories is lacking IMO. here's my 7400 calorie diet:


breakfast - 5 eggs, two bowls of cereal (organic version of honey bunches of oats) with whole milk, two cups of coffee with three cups of 1/2 and 1/2 = 1900 calories
snack - peanut butter - 2 tbsp = 180 calories
snack - string cheese = 90 calories
lunch - two double cheeseburgers = 800 calories
pre workout - 50g of protein, 120g of carbs = 650 calories
post workout - 50g of protein, 120g of carbs = 650 calories
snack - peanut butter - 2 tbsp = 180 calories
snack - string cheese = 90 calories
dinner - 8oz buffalo or chicken + veggies + rice = 400 calories (est.)
snack - two servings of peanut butter (4 tbsp) = 360 calories
snack - string cheese = 90 calories
bedtime meal - 6-8 oz steak - no veggies or carbs = 280 calories (i'm guessing here)

also throughout the day i drink 1/2 a gallon of whole milk (1000+ calories), and i don't count the calories of canola and olive oil i cook with, since most of them are left in the pan.

i know that's not really what you wanted to hear, but messing with hormonals at your age is a bad idea, and also at your stage of development. 6k liquid calories is not going to maintain muscle, nor will it help with the 20 pounds you'll gain from a well planned cycle (which your diet won't allow you to). just my 2 cents brotha.
 
suncloud said:
that's not enough solid food. weight gainer shakes are really only useable for pre/post workout shakes - they're not a constant source of energy. look at your diet vs my bulking diet (i was 126 when i started). basically, the quality of your calories is lacking IMO. here's my 7400 calorie diet:


breakfast - 5 eggs, two bowls of cereal (organic version of honey bunches of oats) with whole milk, two cups of coffee with three cups of 1/2 and 1/2 = 1900 calories
snack - peanut butter - 2 tbsp = 180 calories
snack - string cheese = 90 calories
lunch - two double cheeseburgers = 800 calories
pre workout - 50g of protein, 120g of carbs = 650 calories
post workout - 50g of protein, 120g of carbs = 650 calories
snack - peanut butter - 2 tbsp = 180 calories
snack - string cheese = 90 calories
dinner - 8oz buffalo or chicken + veggies + rice = 400 calories (est.)
snack - two servings of peanut butter (4 tbsp) = 360 calories
snack - string cheese = 90 calories
bedtime meal - 6-8 oz steak - no veggies or carbs = 280 calories (i'm guessing here)

also throughout the day i drink 1/2 a gallon of whole milk (1000+ calories), and i don't count the calories of canola and olive oil i cook with, since most of them are left in the pan.
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Mmm.... Now seeing THAT diet just makes me hungry... :laugh:
 
ShiftyCapone said:
Agreed....

And I also HIGHLY doubt you can curl 40lb DBs properly... Not trying to be a di*k, I'm just trying to emphasize the importance of form.

I do Alternating DB Curls on an Incline Bench to help ensure i'm not swinging or putting my back into it. I also isolate my biceps by doing standing Preacher Curls with DBs. I fully extend my arm all the way down to get a nice long stretch and then slowly curl back up into a hard flex...

Also, post up your weekly training split...
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Again... I know how to lift, i dont "cheat" on the form.

Monday&Thursday
Chest:
Bench 3 sets of 10 with 135
incline 5 sets of 5 with 135
dumbell bench 3x10,8,6
incline dumbell 3x10,8,6
cable flies 3x10

Triceps:
close grip bench 3x10 last set increase weight go to fail
pulldowns 3x10
kickbacks 3x15
overhead tricep extension 3x10

Tuesday&Friday
Back:
Deadlifts 3x10
Lat pull down 3x10
rows 3x10
T-bars 3x10

Bicep:
straight bar curl 3x10,10,8 last set increase
preacher curl 3x10 last set increase weight go to fail
alternate dumbell curl 3x10,8,6
hammercurl 3x10
overhead cable curls 3x10
30 chin-ups

Wednesday&Saturday
Legs:
Squat 3x10,8,6
leg extension 3x10,8,6
leg curl 3x10
calf raises 3x15
leg press 5x5,4,3,2,1 start with 5 plates each side work down to 1 rep of 10 on each side
 
PH at your age isn't good but if you do decide to take something like that try, the Astreroid stack first from USP Labs Prime, Powerfull, Anabolic Pump and Jacked, because In my opinion that stack is very effective and safe.
 
JudgementDay said:
PH at your age isn't good but if you do decide to take something like that try, the Astreroid stack first from USP Labs Prime, Powerfull, Anabolic Pump and Jacked, because In my opinion that stack is very effective and safe.
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That's not even the issue. The thing is, this kid doesn't need to be taking anything other than maybe protein powder and maybe maybe creatine to notice big gains. At that age, a young man's body is producing tons of testosterone and you DEFINITELY do NOT need to f*ck with PHs/AASs.

You ideally want to figure out what the main issue is with why you're not gaining size/strength. Your diet is a start. More whole foods. Suncloud posted up a good bulking diet that you will likely see more success with.

Another thing is the hormone levels that you've tested low for. Talk with your doctor and find out what the real problem is. Once you get down to the bottom of it, tell him you want something to be done about it. I find it hard to believe that your doctor would just leave it alone because it's an inherited family defect or something. But if that is the case, get a new doctor that will help get your body back to normal....
 
you got a doctor problem not a supplement problem.
 
Hey man, I feel ya I had the same problem in HS. Please just take some of the advice these guys are giving you, it helped me immensly. If you are not getting any gains without supplements, you will definately not get results with them. Any guy in here will tell you that a good diet, workout plan, protein shake, and multi vitamin are most important. What I'm trying to say is, PHs aren't majic, you need everything else in place first. It took me awhile to find the right combination of lifts, workout schedule, and diet to get better gains. The thing that I found is that many times what works for someone doesn't work for someone else. I got discouraged and thought some PHs would help. The guys here talked me out of it and I stuck with protein and creatine. Eventually I found a combination of everything that worked for me and got some great gains without the use of PHs.
 
gunz33 said:
Again... I know how to lift, i dont "cheat" on the form.

Monday&Thursday
Chest:
Bench 3 sets of 10 with 135
incline 5 sets of 5 with 135
dumbell bench 3x10,8,6
incline dumbell 3x10,8,6
cable flies 3x10

Triceps:
close grip bench 3x10 last set increase weight go to fail
pulldowns 3x10
kickbacks 3x15
overhead tricep extension 3x10

Tuesday&Friday
Back:
Deadlifts 3x10
Lat pull down 3x10
rows 3x10
T-bars 3x10

Bicep:
straight bar curl 3x10,10,8 last set increase
preacher curl 3x10 last set increase weight go to fail
alternate dumbell curl 3x10,8,6
hammercurl 3x10
overhead cable curls 3x10
30 chin-ups

Wednesday&Saturday
Legs:
Squat 3x10,8,6
leg extension 3x10,8,6
leg curl 3x10
calf raises 3x15
leg press 5x5,4,3,2,1 start with 5 plates each side work down to 1 rep of 10 on each side
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i used to workout like that, stopped seeing results after about a year. look into doggcrapp training. ive grown about 3x faster doing this then i did doing what your doing.
 
more sets (4-5) on bigger lifts like deads, squats, straight leg deads, bench, military..
try adding in some cleans and push presses
you are also doing 15+ sets for biceps and about the same for legs... just look at how much larger your legs are in comparison, do 4 sets of each leg lift and maybe cut a few off biceps and throw in different training techniques
try doin dropsets/stripsets especially on chest (with spotter) and bi/tri
Back: add in barbell row (rev grip too) and wide grip pull ups
tri: do kickbacks with cables to keep constant pressure and prevent swinging and add in skull crushers here and there
shoulders? did you just leave them out? but for shoulders do military and d-bell press, front and side d-bell raises, push press, behind the neck (careful form and lighter weight at first) and arnold presses
i didnt lift that many days in high school (5 off season) and 3-4 depending on games during football/basketball season, maybe you arent recovering as well as you should.. but like everyone said before a lot of it is diet
try bbqin' some burger pattys or chicken breast and take them to school with you and have them 1.5 hrs before and after lunch...
keep pushin along though man you will find what works for you
just switch up the routine and or lifts and add in some diff techniques and somethin is bound to change bro
good luck
 
supplements are not going to fix your hormone problem, and nothing you can buy will get you these huge gains you want. your so young, just keep researching new workout programs, and diets. You need to go to a doctor who will fix your hormone problem, that is where the problem lies. Get a different doctor, eat more whole foods, and vary your workouts more to shock muscles a little. you dont need ph's, they will give you acne, make your testicles shrink, and make your hormonal problem worse. And if your hormone(test) levels are low enough to be detrimental too you, you should be seeing a specialist and not worrying about taking steroids. When i was your age, I weighed less then you, and thought I couldnt gain weight. after 2 years of being a member here, i corrected my diet and made real gains. You will be fine take a chill pill
 
gunz33 said:
Diet:
Wake up 2 scoops of weight gainer ( Muscle Juice 2544 )
2 eggs (scrambled) with light cheese
glass of milk
glass of orange juice
bagel on way to school

Snack between classes
MetRX Collosal bar ( big cookie crunch )

Lunch:
two peanut butter jelly sandwhiches
milk
banana
2 scoops weight gainer

snack:
shake ( MetRX all natural protein )

Dinner:
Chicken, Steak, or Beef.
Potatoes
Salad
rice (sometimes)

Before Bed:
Syntha-6 protein shake
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you need to work on the math there some. Thats not a bad overall total cal level, but more like 3000 than 8000. You read the label on the weight gainer right? 2 scoops is only 500 cal, not 5000 cals like you must be doing the math on, as there aren't 3000 cal over the rest of the food.

So lets work on the diet some :)
 
gunz33 said:
Diet:
Wake up 2 scoops of weight gainer ( Muscle Juice 2544 )
2 eggs (scrambled) with light cheese
glass of milk
glass of orange juice
bagel on way to school

Snack between classes
MetRX Collosal bar ( big cookie crunch )

Lunch:
two peanut butter jelly sandwhiches
milk
banana
2 scoops weight gainer

snack:
shake ( MetRX all natural protein )

Dinner:
Chicken, Steak, or Beef.
Potatoes
Salad
rice (sometimes)

Before Bed:
Syntha-6 protein shake
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and eat some damn complex carbs..thats gonna make you grow!!! you need to add some brown rice, sweet potatoes, whole grain breads into your diet

and since you only take two scoops of the weight gainer someitmes for your meals you are only getting about 27.5 grams of protein which is better then most but your not gonna get to 2lbs of protein per lbs of body weight that way
 
First of all, you're not even in the 8,000 calorie a day stratosphere. Secondly, it takes years to build an impressive physique. Some do have it tougher than others but you need to be persistent. You did make some gains but now is time to work on your routine and nutrition. Ditch high GI carbs for brown rice, oats, & broccoli. Get more healthy fats in your diet. You don't even need to be thinking about PH's at this stage, they'll do more harm than good because you can gain a lot more weight w/out hormonal assistance.
 
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