2 DAYS ON RECREATE/PWFULL/AP-feeling like an alpha FE-MALE !!!

Oh holy hell on the 'shrooms..:tapedshut:
Nah, I'm done with all that stuff, hung my greens up too for New Years.
I do have to say tho, I miss those relaxing nights chillin' , not illin'.. :smokin:
Especially as amped as I've been lately. The Celestial Seasonings Tension Tamer & Sleepytime Teas I been drinking just don't seem to have the same effect. For them real bad nights where I'm restless, I actually have this stuff called "Chill Pill" (FutureBiotics) that I bust out.
 
snagency said:
Oh holy hell on the 'shrooms..:tapedshut:
Nah, I'm done with all that stuff, hung my greens up too for New Years.
I do have to say tho, I miss those relaxing nights chillin' , not illin'.. :smokin:
Especially as amped as I've been lately. The Celestial Seasonings Tension Tamer & Sleepytime Teas I been drinking just don't seem to have the same effect. For them real bad nights where I'm restless, I actually have this stuff called "Chill Pill" (FutureBiotics) that I bust out.
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haha - I get enough buzz off Jacked and my P-Slin powered vege juices!

TimberLakers said:
I like to curl up on the couch with some Diet Mountain Dew, a good book, and some black tar heroin.
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You always have to wonder about those quiet banker types. . .:ugh::knockedout::ninja:
 
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5 sets of pull ups! Nice. One of the most Rocky Balboa exercises I'd always admired was the behind the neck pull ups, which I am now loving (due to the drop in weight), and I'm going to start implementing my weight belt to strap on some added weight. Very excited stuff for me.
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HAHA, same, I actually run to the loo between sets, you know, every little bit helps ! :lol:


DAY 170


Can't quite remember when was it that I've last done some decent running... :think: .... but of course ! Invalid Link Removed it was today !

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Why ? Because I bloody felt like it :D

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On a separate topic - I've been noticing some serious side-effects since I've dropped my stims. My dreams are back ! :eek:

They kind of disappeared when I embarked on the Y train. For me that was a major sign of shallow & poor sleep.

Why am I referring to them as a side ?

Because my dreams have always been :fool2: x 10000000000000

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I was trying to :run: but my legs felt soooo heavy I was barely moving :rant:
Maybe I should start taking some Y before bed so the dreams don't burn me out ! :lmao:
 
PwFULL but not every day and :fool2: dreams come independent of PwFULL.

I also sleep well without it too :) ... but I'm keeping it for the GH benefits :D

Forgot to mention, my upper back has been sore from chinups, my chest's been givin' me :squintfinger: and my tris were :soapbox: at me all day long.

YAAAY !!!! DEMOLITION-MISSION ACCOMPLISHED :thumbsup:
 
Hey DF, does Powerful cause lethargy? I want to give it a shot, but I can't afford anything that would directly cause lethargy.
 
TimberLakers said:
I took a 4 day sample - no lethargy.

I think DFly could take anthrax and not get lethargic. Perhaps you should ask a human.
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Haha, for sure. DF has an exemplary drive..
I notice no lethargy myself, just good sleep with the nighttime dose.
As I review a lot of feedback with this product due to my position with USP, the overwhelming majority have the same feedback as what is noted here, in fact it provides a boost when taken prior to a workout..
As with anything however, there have been a very few isolated exceptions of ppl stating it makes them lethargic at first. Even these few instances however seem to correct themselves within a few days of dosing..
 
jakellpet said:
Superb advice. The 1-C can have some lethargy issues if you dose it too high. The SuperSap can have issues if you are single :(
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I never had a problem dosing 1-C throughout the day, but then again, I didn't notice any benefits to that either, so I've just stuck with nightly dosing 6x/week.

...come to think of it, when I dosed it during the day, I usually had stims with it...so....ya. Maybe I WOULD have gotten tired.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Hey DF, does Powerful cause lethargy? I want to give it a shot, but I can't afford anything that would directly cause lethargy.
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Not directly V, unless it drives you into overtraining like Prime !


DAY 171


* Rest. I had no issues about taking a day off 'cause I was rather stressed....and, it was not the kind of stress that could have been relieved by any type of workout. If anything it would have been counter-productive 'cause I couldn't get myself to eat enough. Even ended up skipping my last meal, the thought of food itself made me feel :puke:




DAY 172


* I'm still looking at my workout notes in disbelief Invalid Link Removed

* The most dreaded Invalid Link Removed LEG DAY was on schedule::


1. Walking DB Lunges (6 sets)
2. Deads (9 sets)
3. Smith Lunges (4 sets)

4. DB Jumping Squats superset
5. Leg Curls (3 sets each)​

* I said about million times before how I hate walking DB lunges. Not even the :soapbox: adequately illustrates my hatred for them. It is one single exercise that doesn't seem to get ANY easier no matter how much I "insist" on it :frustrate I always find myself fighting the urge of collapsing whenever I do them and today was no different.

....except, I went up in weight :twisted:

* The downside was that by the time I was done with them I was ready to walk out of the gym. I was shaking, felt nauseous, fatigued and not at all motivated to continue Invalid Link Removed


* I flipped through my gym log book Invalid Link Removed to have a look at what max weight was I deadlifting on my previous leg workout....
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....BUT I'm NOT QUITTING EITHER :aargh:


* And so I started, quite ambitiously, stacked 20lb more for the warmup set Invalid Link Removed

...well that didn't feel to bad at all ! :confused: x 10000000000000000

...just shows how much I REALLY HATE the Walking Lunges, if deadlifting almost twice the weight I was lunging felt easy.

...felt so encouraged that I progressed to the "NO FREAKIN' WAAAAY ^^ weight" .... and surpassed it :biglaugh: ... by 15lb for the total of 3 working sets, then I went back to the "NO FREAKIN' WAAAAY ^^ weight" and did extra 3 sets....

.... just to remind my body the "old lesson" Invalid Link Removed: If you think that whatever you are lifting is hard, stack some more weight and THINK AGAIN !!! Invalid Link Removed

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* The Smiths were up too, by 10lb

* The Jump Squats&Leg Curls, errrrrrr, no progress, I was kind of dead by then ! :o


* Today felt like a:

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TimberLakers said:
I took a 4 day sample - no lethargy.

I think DFly could take anthrax and not get lethargic. Perhaps you should ask a human.
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HAHA ! Well, SOMEBODY talked me out of having a carb up day (THANKS Irish ;) :lol:), I've decreased my intraWO Creatine/Dextrose (still running 10g ++ BA tho :p), I'm in my third week of monster- :eek: workouts, I'm cutting and increasing strength at the same time :woohoo:

Yeah, I feel rather un-human at the moment :D
 

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Ahh Faith No More, haven't heard them forever..
Impressive drive as always young lady. Feel ya on the degree of difficulty on that day -- lunges + jump squats.. and 9 sets of deads?? :eek: Yikes!
 
Great job, dragonfly! Nearly 6 months into this log and still going strong. This is absolutely awesome. :)

I've always been a little nervous about taking sugars pre or intra-workout and therefore if I were to take creatine, I'd just drop it in my Xtend or something, sans dextrose. I'm gonna do a little more research, but you don't notice any effects on your energy levels from it?
 
I missed Sam's Q re: Prime and lethargy. I know df said she didn't experience it but I personally and many others get lethargic after dosing an L-Dopa product. Not sure if it affects males different than females; I love the product, however I only use it pre-bed because of the sleepy factor. You can counteract it with stims, but you're fighting an uphill battle, and the less stims = the better in my book.
 
Steveoph said:
I missed Sam's Q re: Prime and lethargy. I know df said she didn't experience it but I personally and many others get lethargic after dosing an L-Dopa product. Not sure if it affects males different than females; I love the product, however I only use it pre-bed because of the sleepy factor. You can counteract it with stims, but you're fighting an uphill battle, and the less stims = the better in my book.
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The lethargy effects seem to be sort of cumulative for me...I don't get an instant lethargic effect from 1-C, but over time, if I dose it throughout the day, I will get pretty sleepy in the afternoon...That's when I have the best dreams!...I've only been dosing at night, but I'm taking 2.4g. A decent bit.

I got my brother on the 1-C, but he doesn't down it as easily as I do...I'll be sitting in my room on my computer at 10pm and then I hear my brother choke and cough. :lol:
 
shaddow said:
Great job, dragonfly! Nearly 6 months into this log and still going strong. This is absolutely awesome. :)
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SLOOOOW & STEADY ;)

I've always been a little nervous about taking sugars pre or intra-workout and therefore if I were to take creatine, I'd just drop it in my Xtend or something, sans dextrose. I'm gonna do a little more research, but you don't notice any effects on your energy levels from it?
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So have I. VERY nervous ! :run:
:lol:

However, I've only been doing so because:

1) This routine follows a a loooong period of starvation-based training where I was barely taking ANY carbs

2) I'm trying to get as lean as possible without sacrificing ANY LBM. I do not want my weight lifting workouts to suffer from running a caloric deficit. So basically, I'm taking simple carbs only when they are really needed-intraWO (I do not take them at any other time)
Also, I do not take any carbs without P-slin or AP (I'd be waaay too paranoid to do so :lmao: )

3) So far, I'm still dropping mud whilst not merely maintaining strength & endurance, BUT continually increasing them :thumbsup:

WHY CHANGE WHAT WORKS ? :D
 
DAY 173



* Supposed to have been a 2nd consecutive leg day but ended up being a rest day…..

* I’ve done too much of a good job the day before and I was TOTALLY wasted, in every possible aspect you could imagine. DOMS was worse than usual :rant:, CNS was fatigued to the point where I found it hard to drag myself out of bed Invalid Link Removed after more than 9 hrs of sleeping (I can’t even remember when it was last time that I’ve actually slept for THAT long Invalid Link Removed…blasphemy ! :p), mundane daily tasks were Invalid Link Removed and came end of the day, 9:30PM I was ready for bed again :wtf1: I mean, I usually don’t feel like going to bed before midnight ! :lol:

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* So yeah, DAY 172 DEFINITELY CAUSED TOTAL SYSTEMIC DESTRUCTION. Invalid Link Removed

* At least I can’t be accused of putting half-ar$ed efforts when it comes to training :fool2:
:D
 
dragonfly said:
SLOOOOW & STEADY ;)
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(muffled half-sneeze) 'bullsh**t' :poke:


However, I've only been doing so because:

1) This routine follows a a loooong period of starvation-based training where I was barely taking ANY carbs

2) I'm trying to get as lean as possible without sacrificing ANY LBM. I do not want my weight lifting workouts to suffer from running a caloric deficit. So basically, I'm taking simple carbs only when they are really needed-intraWO (I do not take them at any other time)


3) So far, I'm still dropping mud whilst not merely maintaining strength & endurance, BUT continually increasing them :thumbsup:

WHY CHANGE WHAT WORKS ? :D
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One question DF - wouldn't taking simple carbs intraWO hinder the body kicking in Fat-burning as a fuel source?

Also, I do not take any carbs without P-slin or AP (I'd be waaay too paranoid to do so :lmao: )
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:bow28:

Oh yeah, hail to the king of nutrient partioners :bandit:
 
jakellpet said:
One question DF - wouldn't taking simple carbs intraWO hinder the body kicking in Fat-burning as a fuel source?
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Absolutely.

It's hard to tell DF to do anything different as she's making excellent progress, but I have two problems with intra-wo carbs...

1. Hinders the burning of adipose
2. Carbs are NOT immediately utilized; glycogen is stored, and it is that stored glycogen that will be used before anything else. I see little benefit of drinking carbohydrates intra-wo.

But, again, DF is making great progress. Why change anything? :dunno:
 
STRICTLY SPEAKING YES, carbs intraWO will hinder the fat burning potential.


HOWEVER, I'm concentrated at the BIG picture here.

And that is, I want to optimize my workouts, increase muscle strength and athletic performance. Unless those criteria are satisfied, in the LONG run, my FAT LOSS WILL SLOW DOWN and eventually come to a halt. Not only that but, MOST IMPORTANTLY, I want to be in GOOD HEALTH. Again, WITHOUT BEING HEALTHY you can't expect your body to function optimally nor can you put extra demands on it, such as :eek: - like DFstyle workouts :p :D

SLOW, STEADY & SUSTAINABLE IS MY MOTTO !!! :biglaugh:

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* Unlike proteins, which are used as building materials, carbohydrates are used for energy, particularly for high-intensity exercise. Sports nutritionist Dr. Michael Colgan, author of “Optimum Sports Nutrition,” calls carbohydrates “premium fuel.” I’ve never heard a better definition. Fats are also used for fuel, but the difference is that fats don’t burn as efficiently as carbohydrates. It’s a common misconception that fat is a more efficient fuel source, but it’s not – it’s simply a more concentrated fuel source (nine Copyright 2003, Fitness Renaissance, LLC Invalid Link Removed 191 calories per gram for fat versus four calories per gram for carbohydrate).

CARBOHYDRATES ARE THE BODY’S PREFERRED AND MOST EFFICIENT ENERGY SOURCE. WHENEVER CARBOHYDRATES ARE RESTRICTED, ENERGY LEVELS AND PERFORMANCE USUALLY DECLINE. ​

* Your body is always burning a mixture of carbohydrate and fat for fuel. During low intensity, long duration exercise, most of your energy comes from body fat. Most of your energy also comes from fat while you are at rest (Although you don’t burn many calories worth of fat when you’re laying on the couch). During short bouts of high intensity exercise such as sprinting or weight lifting, glycogen (carbohydrate) is the main fuel source. Your primary fuel source also tends to change depending on which fuel is more readily available. Your body can easily use fat for fuel and even in lean people, there’s enough fat stored to last a long time. However, carbohydrates are always the limiting factor in exercise and athletic performance because carbohydrates are the more efficient fuel source. Exercise burns up muscle glycogen very quickly and if you fail to replace it every day by eating high carbohydrate foods, your glycogen stores quickly diminish. Within about three days of a severe carbohydrate cutback, your muscle glycogen will be almost totally depleted.

GLYCOGEN IS YOUR PRIMARY ENERGY SOURCE FOR WEIGHT TRAINING AND HIGH-INTENSITY EXERCISE, SO THIS EXPLAINS WHY YOUR ENERGY WILL BE LOW AND YOUR WORKOUTS WILL SUFFER WHEN YOU DON’T EAT MANY CARBOHYDRATES (AND IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE ENERGY TO WORK OUT HARD, YOU WON’T BE BURNING MUCH FAT, WILL YOU?) LOW CARBOHYDRATE DIETS ARE SELDOM APPROPRIATE FOR ATHLETES OR ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED IN SERIOUS TRAINING. ​
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I told you I've taken a new spin on carbs ;)

* Besides, I'm hovering around 120 carbs on lifting days (I've experimented with 200g during the last 4 weeks as well) and less than 50g on cardio/rest days. IntraWO I'm not taking any more than 30g creatine/dextrose. Now, that is rather low.

* Also, I've done a period of FT training and I was beginning to feel depleted and my endurance was suffering, it was time for a change.

* Basically, the idea is to "burn carbs" when weightlifting and burn fat at ALL other times. Also a reason why my cardio is now low intensity (running without sprinit intervals).

* Hope that answers your questions JKP&Irish :)


* By the way, the quotes come from Invalid Link Removed, I've downloaded the whole e-book, I'm actually diggin' Tom Venuto and I don't feel at all :rippedhand: :why:

:lol:


SPECIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

* The whole new spin on carbs really came from Irish and Snag 'cause both of you guys have been growin' and staying rather lean in the process, can't argue with what you see :D

* Difference is, I'm not trying to get sub 6 or 8% BF, that on me would look :puke:
 
I just really don't see what good the extra dextrose can really do. Of course we should be getting complex carbs in on training days, but I don't see intra-wo carbohydrates as a necessity by any means...maybe in long duration exercise it would be beneficial, but during 45min-1hr weight training sessions? I don't think so.
 
Irish Cannon said:
I just really don't see what good the extra dextrose can really do. Of course we should be getting complex carbs in on training days, but I don't see intra-wo carbohydrates as a necessity by any means...maybe in long duration exercise it would be beneficial, but during 45min-1hr weight training sessions? I don't think so.
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Those are things from the past.

They are ~1hr45min now :biglaugh:

I've said my endurance had been on the rise...

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jakellpet said:
Interesting DF . . I get the concept. Rather Dex, what about WMS?
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Through my bulks, I've been a hater for Dex and WMS... I think they are both overdosed. If I'm to take in quick carbohydrates, I might as well enjoy it - do I've been killin a half bag of Skittles on the walk home.

Mind you I've been off candy for almost 2 years - so its quite the treat. Of course I know its not optimal, but it gets the job done.
 
TimberLakers said:
Through my bulks, I've been a hater for Dex and WMS... I think they are both overdosed. If I'm to take in quick carbohydrates, I might as well enjoy it - do I've been killin a half bag of Skittles on the walk home.

Mind you I've been off candy for almost 2 years - so its quite the treat. Of course I know its not optimal, but it gets the job done.
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I definately avoid empty calories if I can. My intra is a combo of advice from Cannon and Snag: 16g Glycergro 30g BCAAs 5g Mono 5g Swell - works a treat for me. For quick carbs see the sig :thumbsup:
 
Irish Cannon said:
While I don't condone it, I can't say I've never been there.

Don't mind me. I have a hatred for dextrose.
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Interesting DF . . I get the concept. Rather Dex, what about WMS?
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Just to clear this up, by no means am I advocating the use of dextrose as an optimal carb source intraWO, I am merely advocating the benefits of using A CARB source. I know a lot of people praise WMS and I'd be interested in trying it out further down the track. The only reason why I am using dextrose at the moment is:

I was looking for a creatine product to stack with GlycerGrow, since I got the impression from Cannon's CL log that such a combo would work well in synergy. It just happened that our local supp store had a VERY special deal on a creatine stack at that time.

Each 65gram serve contains

Dextrose 45g
Creatine 8g
Glutamine 5g
BCAA's 3g
Taurine 3g
HMB 1g

I've been using 1/2 serve (intraWO)​
 

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Yeah, I know the one - the first WO 'product' I ever used.

Good to hear you got a good deal on it, as traditionally that brand (like so many others in Aus) is a fricken rip-off. :bandit:
 
DAY 174


* I have a funny feeling Invalid Link Removed...that I'll be sleeping well tonight :lol:

* I'm still fighting the cold :(

* However, something got me curious ... Invalid Link Removed

* I've been off THE ULTIMATE MUSCLE PILL STACK & on the ALL-NATURAL (more or less :p) hypertrophy/high volume/low weight type of :eek: routine for about 4 weeks...

* I've cut a lot in that time.

* Have I lost my strength ? Invalid Link Removed Well, I was already :confused: that I managed to deadlift 176lb 4x, two days ago, which is only 11lb less than my PR (187 2x). Obviously I wasn't going to try to hit that weight again today (allthough I did do deads :fool2:), but, there were other ways to put myself to test :twisted:

1. NG Pulldown superset
2. Military

* 9 sets

3. Rope Cable Crunches superset
4. Deadlifts superset
5. Plate Raises superset
6. DB Front Raises

* 4 sets

7. WG Lat Pulldown superset
8. Upright Ez-bar Rows

* 4 sets ​
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* Lifted PR weight on 1. NG Pulldowns (150lb) and 2. Military (77lb) for same number of sets&reps as ~ 5 weeks ago (3 sets, 2-4 reps, max effort) Invalid Link Removed

* New PR on 5. Plate raises, 1st time ever, was doing them with a 35lb plate instead of 25lb (+10lb increase) :woohoo:

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* What I gained with Prime is still mine ! :lol:
 

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And, I repeat :rolleyes: Creatine/Dextrose back to 1/2 serving :)
 
Thanks for the info, dragonfly. :) I've responded VERY well to creatine/dextrose combinations PWO in the past, but I think I'm probably still a little too nervous to try them intra at this time. :p
 
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