Damn, one post wasn't enough bagging on what I said?
LOL, come on bro, bagging? Easy there, just a disagreement.
I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you.
I never once told Silver that he shouldn't eat, or he should concentrate on "cutting" for that matter.
I was talking about the difference between LBM and actual body weight being a big difference in the "gains" he is making. Not that he should forgo trying to build muscle, but that he should concentrate on reality, not the scale.
The fact of the matter is for him to achieve his goals, he is probably going to lose a bit of weight. But his LBM will be much higher than before, which is all that really matters... since last time I checked fat doesn't move the weights for you.
But in your case, you are trying to tell me that Silver should stop working on all that he has gone through, stop his goal of seeing his abs, lose all his momentum, maybe reverse it by gaining some fat along the way... just to see an extra 10lbs on THE SCALE?! Re-god-damn-dic-u-lous.
You missed the point here GMG. I did not say the # on the scale is all-important, nor that Silver should be a slave to the scale
but... yes he does need to see the scale going up over time. This is a bulk! Unless I'm mistaken, Silver said his goal here is to get big and strong. The goal of seeing his abs
needs to be addressed at a different time. The whole point of my post was, while running these compounds, do one or the other - not both. Suggesting that he doesn't need to worry about the scale going down means 1 of 2 things: 1) he isn't eating enough to fuel growth; 2) the Tren is burning off fat while allowing LBM to be added. IMO you are giving the Tren product waaaay too much credit as a fatburner. This isn't tren ace, it's a tren PH. Anyways, perhaps it might help if I shared this:
During a bulk, there is 1 way and ONLY 1 way to
know you are growing muscle at the maximum possible rate - by getting a little fatter. Sound counter-intuitive? Think about this: adding muscle is the body's
last priority metabolically. As in, dead last. Once every other function is taken care of calorically, then and only then will the body synthesize new proteins. It is impossible to know how fast your body will grow, or IOW how many excess calories will be needed to build muscle given the proper stimulus (read: lifting weights). So the only way to
know is to eat enough so that you do add a bit of fat. At that point, you know you are in a true caloric excess, i.e. you are taking in more than you can use, and your body is building muscle at the maximum possible rate. You can then dial back the calories a bit at that point if you so choose, but you have to get there first.
Silver said he is bulking. I am working under the assumption that he is then trying to grow muscle at the maximum possible rate. Therefore, he should be seeing general upwards movement in the scale (based on observations over weeks, not days), coupled with increased strength/endurance in the gym. Assuming the compounds he is using work as advertised, the absence of either of the above will ususally mean the kcals are too low.
My point being, Silver, it doesn't matter if you are 220 or 280 if you are out of shape... Once you figure out what it takes to get to the BF% that you want to be, then figure out what you are gonna do to get to the weight that you want. If it is to put on a bit of weight and even some fat, then so be it, but learn what it takes to get that fat back off. Don't go losing what you have worked for just to prove a point to the scale. You aren't doing this for anyone but yourself.
The fact that you can be changing your LBM so fast that you are actually gaining weight, is incredible. Don't take your eyes off the prize, which in the end is an entirely new you in the mirror.
I see you point re: the scale and I agree with it. However, in the context of this cycle, I still maintain he needs to see the scale moving up coupled with increases in strength over the course of this run. There is no other way to know he is growing as fast as his body and the AAS' will allow.