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First Injectable: TestE kicked with Superdrol

Like Nos said, the stuff I got should be g2g based on all accounts. I really think it has to be real, cuz my nuts are still small. It would have to be stupidly underdosed to be working so poorly.

As I've said, my muscles feel solid. More solid than in their "natural" state. I'm just not making any strength or mass gains. This is the same way Epi effected me. I can feel better pumps and hardness, also my vascularity looks better than before in some areas (biceps), but I am just not making gains.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Like Nos said, the stuff I got should be g2g based on all accounts. I really think it has to be real, cuz my nuts are still small. It would have to be stupidly underdosed to be working so poorly.

As I've said, my muscles feel solid. More solid than in their "natural" state. I'm just not making any strength or mass gains. This is the same way Epi effected me. I can feel better pumps and hardness, also my vascularity looks better than before in some areas (biceps), but I am just not making gains.
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Your nuts would sll be small from the superdrol anyway. What kind is the test?
 
Small when taking SD but it's almost 2 weeks later. Rebound would have kicked them up a few sizes by now.
 
so just to clarify...you have lost fifteen lbs...since you got off the super....bro i think you got some bad test....just cuz it says axio or bd or gh or whatever lab you have doesnt mean its not a knock-off...results dont lie man
 
Day 44 234 (+14)

Good news: feel good, once again that solid feeling, and pumps beyond what I get naturally

Bad news: I am getting sick, sore throat, runny nose... I know how to handle this so I'm not too worried about it, my immune system is strong


@ Mooch: You are right, even though on all accounts my gear should be legit, maybe it's not. I'm going to do my 3rd inject of the week tomorrow so i'll be at 900mg EW and soon I'll be able to start assessing this stuff for sure.


Anyway, despite being sick i had a good day. My lifts weren't up, but everything felt good, and when i flexed in the locker room mirror I looked significantly leaner than when i was 245 pounds. This must be taken into consideration... a lot of the weight i've lost was bloat.

Furthermore, my weight is back up to 234 despite being busy all day (my #2 and #3 meals were both small).

here's the WO

Day 44 Chest

incline bench: 135*10, 225*6, 235*6, 245*5

incline dumbell flys: 65*6, 70*6, 75*6
loved these, felt so good. 75's were damn hard but got it... my reps get very slow on these and I really feel a good contraction.

weighted dips: +60*15, +60*13, +60*10, +60*9
tried to bend over forward to hit the chest

cable crossovers: 3 sets, ~10 reps each, tried 2 different forms, This was my finisher.​


I'm happy about my weight bouncing up a few pounds after consistently going down. I'm going to keep this up.
 
I hope I can deliver. Even if the test doesn't work out, I have 2 bottles of 19-nor "tren" i'm going to pop.
 
unreal you know what I do sometimes mid cycle is i 'll run a diuretic for 2-3 days just to see if i'm holding water or gaining fat? The weight may drop on the scale but it gives me a better idea of where I am
 
pistonpump said:
i have an idea that just came to me on how this is happening with the sd and teste.

ready? well masteron binds hard to shbg and there for it frees up test (alot like proviron), now if superdrol is methylated masteron then these effects may be even stronger than the parent compound masteron. Coming off of the sdrol could cause some sort of rebound causing alot of the Test that you are injecting to be 'bound' by shbg instead of being Free. Free test levels is what you want for muscle building. Just an idea but its an educated one. Id like to hear what others think....

You could supplement a free test booster such as divanil
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I think this is SPOT on. Some of the more knowledgeable folks on other boards also believe the reason SD is so strong is because it does not BIND to SHBG. The is one of the reasons for it's potent effects and stronger side effects - specifically destroying lipid values because it's always unbound. If this were true then your SHBG levels would rise to counter the SD. Considering you're having some issues, I would pick up some proviron or at least some divanil to see it that can help salvage your gains. I have nothing to back this up other than respected members on other boards that have this same opinion as well.

Anyways, killer log.
 
so just so were clear....the general consensus is mdrol is a shitty kickstart? That is if the test is legit.....i cant wait to see how this plays out...keep your head up unreal...
 
I don't have divanil
I don't have proviron
If I used either, i wouldn't be able to tell if it worked. I have just jacked my test dose up +50% and it is likely to start hitting me soon.
I respect u guys trying to help with those recommendations but I'm balancing enough variables as it is, if i introduce anything new then this cycle loses all standards for me.

I've been off Superdrol for 2 weeks
Superdrol is NOT masteron; methylation causes myriad changes in the function of the steroid
Test has been kickstarted with Superdrol *before*
You can't call it a shitty kickstart if i made all my gains in the first 4 weeks

If you ask me, test is affecting me the same way Epi did. Noticable anabolic effects including better pumps and vascularity and a general solid feeling. However, nonexistent strength and mass gains.

I'm not going to jump to conclusions. I'm running the test at 900mg until I run out. I should have almost 5 weeks.

By the way i'm too sick to workout today but my weight is 235.
 
Best case scenario from my standpoint is the test was somewhat underdosed and now your that's it's raised your getting enough for it to work. It would be shitty if it was underdosed but that would explain a whole lot
 
mixedup said:
Best case scenario from my standpoint is the test was somewhat underdosed and now your that's it's raised your getting enough for it to work. It would be shitty if it was underdosed but that would explain a whole lot
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That would make sense to me also. But I haven't ruled out the possibility that my response to steroids is at least *not normal.* I've wondered if I have an extremely abnormal androgen receptor distribution or something... I've tried 7 orals now and Superdrol is the only one that worked properly.

I am pretty certain I am feeling anabolic effects now. My vascularity is on the rise and my muscles are (as far as I can tell) significantly harder than when off cycle. It's the strength and size that isn't coming... Superdrol was the only one that could deliver there. Phera too but <50% as efficiently. Nothing else... not a rep of strength from any other oral, nor more than a 2 pound fluctuation.
 
I have some other thoughts on this whole situation, but before anything else - why don't you go get a blood test? Or one of those saliva t tests? Anything really to get your t measured. Why not find out FOR SURE if your test is bunk/underdosed instead of all the speculating? Upping the dose is one way to find out if it was underdosed, but will still tell you nothing if it's total crap, and either way you won't know for a while (weeks).

Meanwhile, you're 2 weeks removed from a Superdrol run and, if the test is bunk, you basically ran SD with no PCT. :bigeyes: See what I'm gettintg at? The risks you are assuming here grow by the day if the test is crap.

If it were me, I would find out one way or the other ASAP.
 
Dragon13 said:
I have some other thoughts on this whole situation, but before anything else - why don't you go get a blood test? Or one of those saliva t tests? Anything really to get your t measured. Why not find out FOR SURE if your test is bunk/underdosed instead of all the speculating? Upping the dose is one way to find out if it was underdosed, but will still tell you nothing if it's total crap, and either way you won't know for a while (weeks).

Meanwhile, you're 2 weeks removed from a Superdrol run and, if the test is bunk, you basically ran SD with no PCT. :bigeyes: See what I'm gettintg at? The risks you are assuming here grow by the day if the test is crap.

If it were me, I would find out one way or the other ASAP.
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good posting:dance:
 
I think you guys are more worried than I am. Let me reiterate something I've been saying: I'm experiencing pumps and muscular hardness beyond what I can achieve naturally and my vascularity is improving. It's the strength and size gains that I am not seeing.

It has been more noticable this last week, if you look up at my posts you will see that I have mentioned this several times.

Furthermore, yesterday my weigh in jumped up +4 pounds after consistently decreasing. Today my weigh in is up another pound.

If i were 2 weeks post SD with no PCT and bunk gear, then surely I wouldn't be feeling tight and hard right now.
 
there are no non responders to test, period. Now that that is out of the way you need to recheck your diet to make sure you are gettin enough cals in for you added mass. You need to check your training and maybe make adjustments. I think the last thing that would help is if you stop comparing superdrol gains with test gains, totally different. Seems like you are comparing a very potent fast acting oral to a slow gradual injectable.
 
Day 45: off (friday)
Day 46: off (saturday)
Day 47: off (sunday)

Here's my update. Thursday i started getting sick. Friday i was significantly sick and did not lift, i was trying to recover. Saturday i was at my worst and i didn't do anything all day long. I didn't eat much but had a weigh in around 232.

Today is day 47, and i'm partially recovered. I think i'll be fully recovered by tomorrow and ready to hit everything hard and make the most of the time i have left.

I don't usually take 3 days off but I don't usually get this sick. It was pretty bad yesterday.

Anyway my weight is only around 230 now but despite hardly moving in the last 3 days my whole body is feeling very hard and solid. There's no doubt to me that the test is working now, it just needed to be kicked up. Maybe I just needed higher doses. We'll find out how my results are in the next few weeks.

I really can't wait to hit the weights again.
 
Day 48 231 (+11)

Ok today I am still slightly sick but about 75% recovered. My weight is on the low side but that's to be expected.

I feel good, injected myself again this morning so i'm starting my second week at 900mg. I've come to love my injections... Don't understand the fear of needles...

As far as what i'm noticing from the test
*Muscles are HARD. Haven't lifted since Thursday and I am flexing my bi's and they are rock solid.
*A little bit of anxiety. I've been feeling that sinking feeling in my stomach like I'm nervous, it's weird, don't usually get this
*My libido is sub-par. It is lower than when I started. This is WEIRD because i've never ever read about test doing this. I have no explanations
*Atrophy: my balls are significantly atrophied maybe 30-40% of their original volume..?
*shedding: noticed my facial hair is falling out, it happens when on cycle


I'm on something for sure... just not sure about my libido being low... Weird.

I'm training arms in a couple hours so i'll come back and update. it should be a good workout, i know exactly what my arms can do. But i've been all sick so i shouldn't expect TOO much lol.
 
Day 48 Post Workout

So i think i can say definitively that this test is up to something good :)

here's the arm workout

Day 48 biceps & triceps

standing dumbell curls: 55*6, 60*6, 65*6, 70*6, 75*6
supersetted with
close grip bench (smithpress): 195*8, 245*8, 275*6, 295*6, 315*5

standing ez bar curls: 115*8, 135*6, 155*5
supersetted with
tricep pushdowns (split rope): 80*10, 90*10, 100*10​

and then a random 115*7 on preacher curls for some "isolation burnout"


Ok this is a good workout for me, very good in fact. 315*5 on close grip bench is great... I don't care if it's on the smith press, this is still great for me. Dumbell curls, it feels like I can always go heavier and heavier but I know my form suffers when i go past 75's. Even with the 75's my form starts to resemble hammer curls.

Ez bar curls weren't bad considering i was tired from all the db's.

I'm thinking cardio tomorrow, legs on wednesday, and a chest/back superset day on Thursday, cardio again on friday




SO

Since we've finally gotten past all the bullshit concerning the validity of my test or my eating habits, training habits, use of anti E's etc. I want to look over at the basic facts again.

Testosterone was run for 6 weeks at 500mg a week. Superdrol was run during the first 4. Weeks 5 and 6 showed a slowdown as SD gains were reduced. Week 7 the test dose was raised +50% and this signaled a turning point. I began to feel harder and get better pumps again and now I'm sure i'm on something, and I had a great workout with strength that just wouldn't be there unless this test was legit.

The possibility of the test being underdosed exists but I really doubt that's the case, i have high confidence in the source and this test did turn out to be legit... If it were true it would explain basically everything. But I want to speculate based on the assumption that my test is dosed properly.

If dosed properly, then this test kicked in really late for me. Obviously it wasn't concentrated enough during week 5 to preserve all of the Superdrol gains. Furthermore it really seems like it needed a dose bump in order to make some gains. Which brings me to my main thought there, that I just need more test than usual. This makes sense to me based on my nonresponse to most oral AAS.

I think another interesting point is that my libido is not doing good right now. When i said it was sub-par, i meant it. My erection strength is weaker than normal. It's a good thing I have cialis on hand. Anyway, I've never, ever, heard of this happening with testosterone. And here's the kicker, my libido was sky high on Superdrol, so much so that I mistakenly thought it was the early effects of the Test. I know from my previous experience with Superdrol that it increases my libido, which is strange because for most people, SD kills their libido. So I seem to be a bit out of the ordinary here. I'm not sure why, i'm trying to figure it out, and i'm still trying to figure out why most oral AAS don't do **** for me.

Anyway, I'll keep the updates coming... can finally keep going with this cycle now.
 
i know ppl will probably brush this off.. but i know some one who bought from a very reputable UG and his package got intercepted by customs.. now they had sent him a letter, the funny thing was this man ordered nolvadex, and the note from customs said his package contained Methandrostenolone .. which we all know is dianabol!
mistakes are made.. especially with UGs... so i guess what im getting at is.. could what your taking be another steroid.. maybe a slower acting steroid that has a funny side effect of making it real tough to get a good erection ... or not... but im jjust saying ever since i heard that story i have been worried.. andd trust me when i say this was a pretty well know UGL.
so take my story for what its worth.. if u can get real human grade.. no BS
 
test takes about 6 weeks for me as well thats why i always tell people to wait, I also seem to need higher doses as well, 500mg doesnt really do much for me. So maybe the guys that say they get the test working early (week 4) are good responders to lower dosages since the blood level is built up to an effective dose. Nice to see that good things are starting to come for you and the test. Will you be running short now since you upped the dose or you gonna get more?
 
pistonpump said:
test takes about 6 weeks for me as well thats why i always tell people to wait, I also seem to need higher doses as well, 500mg doesnt really do much for me. So maybe the guys that say they get the test working early (week 4) are good responders to lower dosages since the blood level is built up to an effective dose. Nice to see that good things are starting to come for you and the test. Will you be running short now since you upped the dose or you gonna get more?
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Yo piston. Yeah I should have been more patient i was really expecting it earlier, i'm reassured to hear that you react similarly to me though.

Anyway I've got about 12mL left so 4 weeks @ 3mL a week. I'm basically on week 8 now so that's 8/9/10/11. So the cycle gets 1 week shorter.

I think next time i'll have to go for higher doses and longer durations. Good thing injectables allow for both.
 
bigzach1234 said:
i know ppl will probably brush this off.. but i know some one who bought from a very reputable UG and his package got intercepted by customs.. now they had sent him a letter, the funny thing was this man ordered nolvadex, and the note from customs said his package contained Methandrostenolone .. which we all know is dianabol!
mistakes are made.. especially with UGs... so i guess what im getting at is.. could what your taking be another steroid.. maybe a slower acting steroid that has a funny side effect of making it real tough to get a good erection ... or not... but im jjust saying ever since i heard that story i have been worried.. andd trust me when i say this was a pretty well know UGL.
so take my story for what its worth.. if u can get real human grade.. no BS
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What happens when customs intercept your stuff? Do you just get a letter?
 
glad to see your cycle is going good? what type of sickness did you have? just wondering if it could of been test flu since it kicked you hard and now yoru starting to really see the effects.
 
bigzach1234 said:
i know ppl will probably brush this off.. but i know some one who bought from a very reputable UG and his package got intercepted by customs.. now they had sent him a letter, the funny thing was this man ordered nolvadex, and the note from customs said his package contained Methandrostenolone .. which we all know is dianabol!
mistakes are made.. especially with UGs... so i guess what im getting at is.. could what your taking be another steroid.. maybe a slower acting steroid that has a funny side effect of making it real tough to get a good erection ... or not... but im jjust saying ever since i heard that story i have been worried.. andd trust me when i say this was a pretty well know UGL.
so take my story for what its worth.. if u can get real human grade.. no BS
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I see what you're saying. Pharm grade is so overpriced though.

mixedup said:
glad to see your cycle is going good? what type of sickness did you have? just wondering if it could of been test flu since it kicked you hard and now yoru starting to really see the effects.
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Common cold. Nonstop runny nose, congestion, a sore throat that turns into a cough. I'm in the last stages of it. I resist most colds, but this one was strong enough to get me.
 
Day 49 233 (+13)

did about 9 sets of various abdominals followed by some cardio. After the cardio my legs cramped up badly. I'm going to hydrate and eat hard all day now. I've a mountain of a lab report to work on.
 
Day 50 235 (+15)

Ahhhhh I'd say there's a night and day difference between today and a few weeks ago. Even before I worked out i was feeling really hard and tight. During the back workout I got some great pumps going in my biceps and forearms, and overall just a reallly fantastic solid feeling. Strength wasn't phenomenal, but it was still good.

Day 50 Back

bent over rows: 135*8, 225*6, 235*6, 245*6, 255*6, 275*3

wide grip pulldowns: 150*10, 160*10, 170*10, 180*8

bb shrugs: 195*20, 245*15, 245*16, 245*15

cable rows: 150*6, 150*8​

I felt like I could squeeze out some good reps if i put some speed and intensity into it, but my biceps were getting so pumped my range of motion started slowing down, haha.

Idk why 600mg wasn't doing stuff like this on week 6, next time i'm going to have to plan on higher doses from the start.
 
could be the higher doses....could be that the test took forever to kick in. just like me, ur too impatient to wait it out and see :D. how long have u been on now? 15lbs is great if its fairly lean
 
nosnmiveins said:
could be the higher doses....could be that the test took forever to kick in. just like me, ur too impatient to wait it out and see :D. how long have u been on now? 15lbs is great if its fairly lean
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you youngsters are always sooo impatient. Unless you are running suspension I always tell people wait the test will kick just be patient shoot i've been on prop that felt like it took a few weeks to kick
 
oh it's easy to be impatient, in week 6 my cycle was halfway over and it wasn't kicked in. I figured a 600mg ew dose would only help to ensure it kicked in a timely fashion.

Nos this is the first day of week 8. And my weight gain isn't lean at all, just looks like fat to me but my eye is pretty harsh, i have outlandish goals and expectations. The amount of muscle looks ok but any layer of fat/bloat subtracts way more than the amount of muscle adds. I really wish I could lean bulk but my metabolism just allows me to gain fat so easily. If I eat enough food to gain muscle, it is enough food to cause fat gain. Which sucks, but the good news is I can gain muscle rather easily so long as I allow myself to fatten up. I'm trying to keep the eating big on this cycle, but I'm apprehensive about eating any more. I'm taking in around 3.5K a day and my weight is slowly increasing. I don't need to eat much to gain. I started off close to 4K cut i've dropped the carbs a bit since then since my initial bloat was explosive. I don't mind having dropped a lot of that weight down, i feel it was mostly water.
 
my problem is....the more i eat....the more it sh!t out. due to my crohn's disease my body just wont absorb as much as it should, especially protein. i could eat 5000 calories a day and not gain a pound. i try to keep my diet pretty healthy....250g protein, ~200g carbs, not sure on fat #'s. i have trouble gaining ANY weight...whether it be fat or muscle....but i feel like i gain fat easier/faster than muscle.

AAS is definitely MY only way of getting desired results in muscle gain. everyone gains differently but stay positive about ur cycle Unreal. yes, gaining 15lbs of lean muscle is a WHOLE lot easier than gaining 30lbs of fat and muscle and then having to cut....but not everyone is blessed with professional bodybuilder genetics
 
nosnmiveins said:
nope. i really have no desire to spend money on some supplement that "might" help. id rather just eat large meals
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...might even out to buy some digestive enzymes vs spending more on food hehe...plus might help you in the long run health wise (digestive track issues)
 
That's too bad Nos, but Crohn's or not you've made a ton of progress and if it's that hard to gain weight then you've come a long way.

Sometimes I get discouraged with my progress, but in the end I look at this and I remember that I'm young and I've only been lifting seriously for a couple years. You're about my age, we got a long ways ahead of us. I'm just so damn impatient.
 
nosnmiveins said:
shorts ester FTW!!! :boobies:
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haha, yeah you know my next cycle is the same as the one you're running now. I'm just worried at this point that I'll really need to jack the doses, shorter esters are expensive too. At least there won't be this ludicrous 7 week kick in period... **** waiting that long.

I wanted to mention the "on" feeling, earlier in this cycle I thought i felt it, that inner calm/focus feeling. Well it's not here anymore. I really don't know what the on feeling is, the only feeling i'm getting is the feeling that my muscles are really solid and they get pumped up easily in the gym. No mental effects... that ON feeling was probably from Superdrol.

On another note my libido is still average at best. I'm just not horny all the time like on Superdrol. Random erections were every day and now it's rare. And it's extremely difficult for me to finish. Extremely difficult, for better or worse.
 
I've been planning on doing a Test and Sdrol (M-Drol, to be exact) cycle for a while now. I was originally planning on injecting Sustanon 250, but I've had a few people recommend using Test E or Cyp instead.

I will be watching this thread. I wish you the best of luck!
 
Day 51 235 (+15)

i don't think it's the letro, cuz i've only taken about .25mg of it in the last 2 weeks. Which reminds me to take more again cuz my nips are sensitive again.

Anyway the workout was good, numbers are up, here ya go:

Day 51 Legs

squats: 225*8, 315*6, 335*6, 365*6
yep 365*6 is a PR i started out this cycle only doing about 335*6

front squat: 185*6 and then i stopped, these hurt my delts too much, i can't figure out how to hold the bar without it smashing into my delts

straight leg deadlfit: 225*6, 315*6, 345*4
345*4 is a PR, i could have done more but my grip was slipping

lunges (dumbells): 70*8, 55*10, 55*16
70 pounders were too heavy, so i took it down to 55's and on the last set i just powered all out and got 16

calve raises: 245*20, 335*20, 385*15​

Nice eh, i'm moving up. I can't wait to get a chest day again... i was so pissed about losing chest strength after Superdrol so I really need to test where I'm at again. So if i can't throw around 315 for good reps again i'll be pissed.
 
That workout had to make you feel good bro. Very nice to see the higher doses are doing the trick for you. Have a great weekend. :approve:
 
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