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BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER: Snag's Recipe for a [NATURAL] Recomp, Competition Style!

Hey, if you guys want to talk about Texas, see the link in his sig??

Go talk there.

Sh!t's cluttering my log up.
 
sorry snag. I am here for the information you and mullet like to provide. I have been using some of your meal plans and am watching to see this AP, Pslin, fasted cardio stuff because I am soon to start these again with better results this time hopefully.
 
That's fine dude.. thread's here for that purpose.

All this personal chitchat can go by the wayside. That's why you run your own thread.
 
Excusez moi Snag, need to catch up with this log so let me start, first (literally FIRST POST :lol:):

snagency said:
"People think they can look like me if they take a pill.. c'mon, you gotta be smarter than that." - Christian Boeving (former supplement company spokesman) in 'Bigger, Stronger, Faster'

Hmm. How depressing is that statement. You mean to tell me I can't really look like this guy if I just pound the Hydroxycut? Alas, my illusions have been shattered..
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Depressing indeed, 'cause I was actually hoping you could tell me what pill do I take to get a back&shoulders like this : :box: :box: :box:
 

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snagency said:
You can see my strategy here of a more carb-loaded first half of the day, and a more fat-loaded & higher protein back half of the day..

On my 2x weekly higher-carb days, I'll utilize things like bananas, sweet potatoes, and brown rice. Other than that, as I said Ezekiel grains mainly constitute the carbs, and grapefruit is my fruit of choice..

Yes, this is an aggressive approach. I'm lean enough at this point that, in a perfect scenario, I wouldn't have to make such strict changes, and that is probably the better approach.. however, I'm on a mission here, and the the fact that I want to get the leanest & most peeled & driest of my life puts me on the fast track.

I'm ready for the challenge!
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Mine too ;)

Cheap source of naringenin :thumbsup:

I'm sure a lot of RPM users would be familiar with this:
Naringin, and its novel component Naringenin, also exert extensive effects within the P-SARM Synthase AI complex. Naringin (and Naringenin) exhibit remarkable aromatase and estrogen-inhibiting properties by decreasing the cytochrome P450arom isoform, an enzyme that also allows for the oxidative metabolism for chemical modification and degradation of oral medications. This can have very positive effects on the T:E ratio, and the combination of OPCs and Naringenin can be potentially additive or synergistic in eliminating estrogen, and allowing for more circulating free testosterone and all of its benefits!!! Naringin and Naringenin have also been shown to have profound effects on the metabolism of caffeine and PDE5 inhibitors such as Icariin, allowing for these compounds to be much more effective on a per dose basis- by up to 35%!!!
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Other benefits of naringenin supplementation include: suppression of hepatic glucose production, suppression of cancer cell growth & improvement of bone quality.

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snagency said:
YESSS! Totally feel ya there.. that mentality can be detrimental tho - one definitely needs their grow time!

I hate cardio (have I said that in here already???).. More power to ya if you can hang with the treadmill. Uggh.

My wife got one for Christmas. I think I'll hit it tomorrow. :sigh:
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I love cardio, lucky me, I run 3x/week; ~1hr30min each session. Sometimes I stretch it to 2 hours. I can think of million things that are MUCH, MUCH worse than running for that long. Most compelling one: laying in a hospital bed for five days with my knee busted open all the way down to the knee cap. Waiting for surgery. Getting shots of morphine just to get through the day. Not being able to walk. NOT BEING ABLE TO RUN. END OF STORY.
 
dragonfly said:
Naringin and Naringenin have also been shown to have profound effects on the metabolism of caffeine and PDE5 inhibitors such as Icariin, allowing for these compounds to be much more effective on a per dose basis- by up to 35%!!!
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Hmm.. :think: so that's why ZAP & the Diesel Test are so effective for me - I'm a grapefruit eating machine! :D

Grapefruit is also high in Vit C, and a good source of potassium as well.. Also, grapefruit stimulates the appetite and is used for its digestive, stomachic, antiseptic, tonic, and diuretic qualities...

Thanks for that info & links!
 
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I love cardio, lucky me, I run 3x/week; ~1hr30min each session. Sometimes I stretch it to 2 hours. I can think of million things that are MUCH, MUCH worse than running for that long. Most compelling one: laying in a hospital bed for five days with my knee busted open all the way down to the knee cap. Waiting for surgery. Getting shots of morphine just to get through the day. Not being able to walk. NOT BEING ABLE TO RUN. END OF STORY.
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WOW. :box: You are on another level D!
 
snagency said:
Hmm.. :think: so that's why ZAP & the Diesel Test are so effective for me - I'm a grapefruit eating machine! :D

Grapefruit is also high in Vit C, and a good source of potassium as well.. Also, grapefruit stimulates the appetite and is used for its digestive, stomachic, antiseptic, tonic, and diuretic qualities...

Thanks for that info & links!
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dragonfly said:
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Man, those smileys really tickle me! :lol:

BTW - you mentioned earlier you were catching up from the start of this log.. if it makes you feel any better, your task is much easier than is mine catching up with yours! :p
 
snagency said:
Man, those smileys really tickle me! :lol:

BTW - you mentioned earlier you were catching up from the start of this log.. if it makes you feel any better, your task is much easier than is mine catching up with yours! :p
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Not at all D, not at all. You have some tremendous knowledge, and utilize some awesome supplementation strategies. I'm still working my way thru your log, so I don't know the whole progression yet, but you obviously are one dedicated individual! :thumbsup:

In reference to your cardio posting -- welllll.. I will say that I stand by my stance that too much cardio will chew up/inhibit muscle gains. This is a no-doubter. But I tread lightly here, lest I face the wrath of the DragonFly! :run:

Mentally tho, there is that 'runner's high', the same type of 'high' I get within my weight training sessions.. so I can relate, and I do not criticize!
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Hey man, to have somebody with your first-hand experience in nutrition and training on board with a protocol is verification enough! The knowledge of science is one thing, but knowing what works, is equally as important; and when we combine them, we receive fantastic results.
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Truer words were never spoken, science will point the way but experience gets you there. It's dynamite to see the 2 combined. I often think sometimes we can rely too much on science only to have a theory disproved later.
 
Thanks for that DW!

And D-Fly:
..'cause I was actually hoping you could tell me what pill do I take to get a back&shoulders like this:
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Thanks as well, and I appreciate the point you have reiterated here: Altho there is some science/supplementation behind the results, in Natural-Land, there are no short cuts, no quick fixes, no overnight sensations, as you are aware.. altho we hit periods of quick recomp (as our body is set in motion days earlier by the things we do w/ diet, etc.), there is no quick route to severe body reconfiguration, no way to overnight vascularity, no way to overnight growth -- despite what ones genetic predisposition may be.. It is a process; consistent, sustained, dedicated.

I know you have realized this first hand, I just point this out for others following along..
 
snagency said:
Thanks for that DW!

And D-Fly:
Thanks as well, and I appreciate the point you have reiterated here: Altho there is some science/supplementation behind the results, in Natural-Land, there are no short cuts, no quick fixes, no overnight sensations, as you are aware.. altho we hit periods of quick recomp (as our body is set in motion days earlier by the things we do w/ diet, etc.), there is no quick route to severe body reconfiguration, no way to overnight vascularity, no way to overnight growth. It is a process; consistent, sustained, dedicated.

I know you have realized this first hand, I just point this out for others following along..
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Yep day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. I have been able to go 2 or 3 years like this at a time, but always burned out as I believe I was always to extreme and impatient. This time around I am not only satisfied with slow progress but prefer it that way cuz if your not going forwards your likely going backwards and I have the rest of my life to improve. Slow and steady...
 
Awesome job, Mullet and Snag! I turn up here once in a while, and I am simply blown away! :run:
 
Wow...what an informative and insightful thread!! I feel like I'm really being schooled up in here!! Thanks for the lessons Professors Snag and Mullet. I have never enjoyed school so much!! :type::study:

Class is in session. Everyone pipe down and pay attention!!
 
thundergod said:
Wow...what an informative and insightful thread!! I feel like I'm really being schooled up in here!! Thanks for the lessons Professors Snag and Mullet. I have never enjoyed school so much!! :type::study:
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I hear the applicable tuition fees are due end-January!
 
I think being dedicated enough to better your mind as well as body is fee enough! We all focus on the physical aspect of weightlifting that we often become complacent in our thought process. Just like any other aspect in life we must constantly evolve our understanding through dialectical contradictions; challenging what is normative and creating something much better. One of my favorite things to do surrounding weightlifting is to take accepted thought and disseminate it to see which aspects are valid.
 
snagency said:
Not at all D, not at all. You have some tremendous knowledge, and utilize some awesome supplementation strategies. I'm still working my way thru your log, so I don't know the whole progression yet, but you obviously are one dedicated individual! :thumbsup:

In reference to your cardio posting -- welllll.. I will say that I stand by my stance that too much cardio will chew up/inhibit muscle gains. This is a no-doubter. But I tread lightly here, lest I face the wrath of the DragonFly! :run:

Mentally tho, there is that 'runner's high', the same type of 'high' I get within my weight training sessions.. so I can relate, and I do not criticize!
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I agree. However, I can get away with doing a lot of cardio simply because my body knows of much worse things than 1-2hr runs. I used to do a lot of endurance cycling in the past, so unless I'm doing an 8-hr race I'm not reeeeeally out of my comfort zone! :D Tell you though, those races are sure cuts ! :lol:

thundergod said:
Wow...what an informative and insightful thread!! I feel like I'm really being schooled up in here!! Thanks for the lessons Professors Snag and Mullet. I have never enjoyed school so much!! :type::study:

Class is in session. Everyone pipe down and pay attention!!
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YES, we all have something to learn from this thread ! :)
 

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First of all, much appreciation goes out to all the kind words being passed around in here.. this is the stuff that encourages one to share, and by that process we can all benefit! :cheers:

And now, back to the weather report on Storm Snag, which is continuing to gather destructive cataclysmic proportions.. :D

Day #14 Legs

Again pressed for time this day, and quite honestly I enjoyed the format I ran last week in this slot, so I ran it again (with some slight tweaking)..

DB Lunges 5x12 each leg, 1 minute rests (upped DB 5 lbs.)

DB Romanian Deads 5x20, 1 minute rests

Glute/Ham Raises 3x10, 1 minute rests (ooooooh..:eek:)

Standing Calf Raises 4xmax reps (speed reps), 45 second rests
(toes angled straight/in/out/straight respectively)

Legs are getting stronger, feeling superb! I may go with this format for awhile; I'm liking the focus of more quad development on the 1st leg day in the week, and more ham-oriented development on the 2nd.

Really, really feeling the Prime kicking in, aggression & focus thruout were razor sharp..
 
I am jealous of the Prime pumps, I still have 3 more weeks without them...
 
Am.com

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I figured I'd match your burger with my eggs! :thumbsup: [yes very bored this morning]
 
Damn Dave.. you use a freaking telescope lense on that cam or what?? That pic's ginormous! :lol:

Is that ketchup on those eggs? :nono: I haven't had ketchup on eggs since I was like 12yrs old. We used to have these big brunches on the w/e - eggs, corned beef hash, Lenders onion bagels w/ cream cheese.. ketchup over all the hash & eggs.. was the bomb. Ahh, fond memories.
 
New supplementation alert: picked up some AllMax Nutrition Leutor-70 to use for next round of BCAA supplementation (postworkout use) -- getting low on the Anabolic Switch and Nitro-E8, so this will replace that soon. Anabolic Switch needs to be cut anyway, as I'm getting close to the next round of dietary cutbacks.. Got a smoking deal on this stuff - really, not bragging on how cheap I picked this up, but otherwise I'd probably never even look at this product.. looks like a decent blend tho..

210 Caplets
Supplement Facts
Serving Size7Caplet()
Servings Per Container30

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Niacin(B3) 20mg 100%
Pyridoxine HCL(B6) 2mg 100%
Cyanocobalamin(B12) 6mcg 100%
Folic Acid 420mcg 105%

L-Leucine-Valine-Isoleucine (BCAA) 8.2g †
KIC(Alpha-Ketoisocaproic Acid)

† Daily Value not established

Other Ingredients
Acesulfame Potassium, Calcium Carbonate, Ethyl Cellulose, FD&C Blue #1, FD&C Blue #2, Glaze, Hypromellose, Isopropyl Alcohol, Maltodextrin, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Polydextrose, Sorbitol, Sucrose, Talc, Titanium Dioxide

Still note the malto/dextrose/sorbitol/sucrose listed in the product, altho I would think this has to be a very small amount, nowhere close to the amount the Switch has in it. MCT's are quite an interesting add too. Well I thought I'd roll with this for awhile anyway, to good a deal to pass up.

When I scale things back to very tight levels, I'll incorporate strictly Bevery Muscle Mass BCAA's & Nitro-E8; then shift to Bev Muscularity BCAA's for the final approach..
 
snagency said:
Damn Dave.. you use a freaking telescope lense on that cam or what?? That pic's ginormous! :lol:

Is that ketchup on those eggs? :nono: I haven't had ketchup on eggs since I was like 12yrs old. We used to have these big brunches on the w/e - eggs, corned beef hash, Lenders onion bagels w/ cream cheese.. ketchup over all the hash & eggs.. was the bomb. Ahh, fond memories.
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Ketchup? No, it's catsup.
 
I used to be a ketchup/egg guy too...now I slather them with Green Tabasco or salsa.
 
So with dietary cutbacks looming in the near future, decided to throw a wrench in the plans today. It was leg day this day - which means my higher carb allotment, and I had planned to consume more thruout the day.. instead, I consumed 40g carbs with breakfast (oat bran & small grapefruit), 70g post w/o, and 30g with meal #3 (2 pieces Ezekiel). Meal #4 was 1 scoop Bev Ultra Size, 1 scoop MonsterMilk, 1/2 cup ff cottage cheese.. and that's it for the day, other than fibrous veggies. Gonna run the Mullet-proposed fasted training scenario tomorrow upon rising..

Meal #5: 8 oz. 96% beef, salad, 1 cup broccoli
Meal #6: 8 oz. turkey breast, 1 cup broccoli
 
AZMIDLYF said:
I used to be a ketchup/egg guy too...now I slather them with Green Tabasco or salsa.
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I like salsa immensely. Put a bit of that on my eggs sometimes, especially if I'm having straight egg whites (without the customary 2 yolks in it), some killer added flavor for sure.
 
hey snag & mullet and everyone else knowledgeable in this thread...whats your take on taking just leucine versus all the BCAA?
 
Salsa and Tabasco go along way in making things tasty!! Snag, is it ok if I pm a question to you?
 
TexasLifter89 said:
hey snag & mullet and everyone else knowledgeable in this thread...whats your take on taking just leucine versus all the BCAA?
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Not a fan of this personally. I think I addressed this earlier in here..

Leucine is only part of the equation of the BCAA profile. Muscle tissue has been defined by the 2:1:1 ratio; this is why it is the preferred ratio in almost every player on the market. I'm experimenting with higher leucine to iso/valine ratios right now, but my preference would be the proper balance I believe.
 
snagency said:
Not a fan of this personally. I think I addressed this earlier in here..

Leucine is only part of the equation of the BCAA profile. Muscle tissue has been defined by the 2:1:1 ratio; this is why it is the preferred ratio in almost every player on the market. I'm experimenting with higher leucine to iso/valine ratios right now, but my preference would be the proper balance I believe.
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alright thanks. I grabbed some VS liquid BCAA and its pretty tart. Just curious as to your take on that.
 
Worked my part-time GNC gig today, we got some samples in, one being (wait for it..) MT MyoShock HSP. I got like a whole box of this stuff. I'm actually flabbergasted that they finally put out a formula that doesn't have sugar in it!! :lol:
(Ahaa..but, it's still got their patented 'Nano-Diffuse Technology' :rolleyes: ):

140 Capsules
Supplement Facts
Serving Size7Caplets
Servings Per Container20

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

MyoShockHSP™ Proprietary Blend (Featuring Nano-Diffuse™ Technology) 8,409mg †
AnaShock (Extreme Muscle Growth Shock Factor) †

Schisandra Chinensis Extract (Fruit) †
Standardized For 2% Schisanrinsides

Paeonia Lactiflora Extract (Root) †
Standardized For 10% Paeoniflorin

L-Glutamine Alpha-Ketoglutarate †
Monarda Fistulosa Extract (Leaf) †
Standardized For 60% Geraniol

AMP-HSP (Muscle Heat Shock Activator)
L-Arginine †
Caffeine Anhydrous †
Supplying 400 Mg Of Caffeine

GABA (Gamma-Amino Butyric Acid) †
Canola Powder (As Brassica Nigra) (Seed)
Watercress Powder (As Nasturtium Officinale) (Whole Plant) †
Alfalfa Powder (As Medicago Sativa) (Leaf And Stem) †
Barley Powder (As Hordeum Vulgare) (Leaf) †
Berberine HCL †
Bilberry Extract (As Vaccinium Myrtillus) (Fruit) †
Standardized For 25% Anthocyanins

Myospike (Rapid Muscle Growth & Strength Amplifier) †
Creatine Monohydrate †
Eucommia Ulmoides Extract (Leaf) †
Standardized For 25% Chlorogenic Acid

† Percent Daily Values not established

Other Ingredients
Microcrystalline Cellulose, Hydroxypropylcellulose, Coating (Polyvinyl Alcohol, Polyethylene Glycol, FD&C Red No. 40, Talc, Titanium Dioxide), Carboxymethylcellulose, Crospovidone, Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate, Silica, Acesulfame-Potassium, Natural Lemon-Lime Flavor.

Contains Soy Ingredients.



Directions: To develop respect for and understand the potency of MyoShockHSP™, take 3 caplets 30-45 minutes before your first workout. Thereafter, move to one full serving (7 caplets) before your daily workout. Do not exceed 7 caplets in a 24-hour period. Read the entire label before use and follow directions provided.

Warnings: Not intended for use by persons under 18. Do not use if pregnant or nursing. Do not use if you have had a myocardial infarction. Maintain an adequate state of hydration during use. Consult a medical doctor before use if you have been treated for, or diagnosed with or have a family history of any medical condition, or if you are using any prescription or over-the-counter drug(s). One serving (7 caplets) of this product contains about as much caffeine as 4 cups of coffee (400 mg). Caffeine sensitive individuals may experience the following symptoms, including (but not limited to) restlessness, nervousness, tremors, headache, anxiety, palpitations, increased heart rate or difficulty sleeping. Consult a medical doctor before starting any diet or exercise program. Do not exceed recommended serving. Improper use of this product will not improve results and is not advised. Use only as directed. Do not refrigerate. Keep Out Of Reach Of Children.


I can't believe I'm putting this in this thread.. :sigh:
Actually, it doesn't look like a bad product.. I really dig the addition of Berberine, very interesting add..
I'll use it sometime; don't have any need for it right now cuz I'm rocking the Jacked, but I'm a sucker to try new things, so I'll give it a go somewhere down the road..
 
Man, this thread blew up while I was gone...

You guys can start talking about boobs and poop and stuff now that I'm back.
 
snagency said:
Not a fan of this personally. I think I addressed this earlier in here..

Leucine is only part of the equation of the BCAA profile. Muscle tissue has been defined by the 2:1:1 ratio; this is why it is the preferred ratio in almost every player on the market. I'm experimenting with higher leucine to iso/valine ratios right now, but my preference would be the proper balance I believe.
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Agreed; and I know I've seen 4:1:1 played with, but the tried and tested 2:1:1 will work.

snagency said:
I like salsa immensely. Put a bit of that on my eggs sometimes, especially if I'm having straight egg whites (without the customary 2 yolks in it), some killer added flavor for sure.
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Going to be using this alot, seeing as how I can't flip omelets anymore. Scrambled eggs with ketchup, or a monolayer like (B is in honour or borobulker's Melog)

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Steveoph said:
Going to be using this alot, seeing as how I can't flip omelets anymore. Scrambled eggs with ketchup, or a monolayer like (B is in honour or borobulker's Melog)
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You guys & your editing.. this wasn't there before was it?

Looks good man! (better than DG's pic :stick: hahaa bro, j/p..)

Looks like I started something with the condiment art.. :lol:
 
snagency said:
...Berberine, very interesting add..
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There are certain constituents of the Phellodendron, in certain standardizations, which are GABAergic agonists. By the looks of the part [one of many] of the formula which Berberine is in, that may be its purpose.
 
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