TimberLakers M-Drol Massacre

TimberLakers said:
I'm thankful for being on a cycle for Thanksgiving. I'm going to say it at the table.
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I'm thankful to have a 2 week dieting break during the Thanksgiving holidays. I end my PCT with PRIME this Sunday. Then it's a two week cruise period of sub-maximal lifting and a big ol' Thanksgiving Day feast!! :food: And I will give thanks for that at the table. :box: Then a week or so after Thanksgiving is over, I'm starting up a major recomp cycle!! I'll have to turn all of that food into solid muscle. :bb3:
 
Go eat something man? (no homo)
 
Once again, this is more my style... but to the same effect.

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Hey bro hows it going, Sorry i havent been here but i will be now, been up to my eyes in work, and i needed a break.

Need your support with my new log,

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See you there soon.

Russian
 
I think Timber went there with his.
 
I've gone to 100
 
grila jujitsu said:
what did you notice at that dose? strength, sides, leaning, etc....?
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I was eating a sh*tload of food man, I was not trying to lean at all... The whole 5+ week cycle brought me from 173 to 190, with just a little bit of added fluff. To be honest, most of the fluff came on in PCT, because I kept the carbs high.
 
TimberLakers said:
I was eating a sh*tload of food man, I was not trying to lean at all... The whole 5+ week cycle brought me from 173 to 190, with just a little bit of added fluff. To be honest, most of the fluff came on in PCT, because I kept the carbs high.
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tight!

did u see any sides?
 
tim1985 said:
Hey TL, I heard on black friday you'll be able to buy a 42" LCD for around $600.
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I'm going to go bigger this time... and I want plasma.

But yes, as soon as black friday hits, I'm shopping. I'll have a week away from work to get everything I lost back.
 
Dude, do not go plasma! bad idea all around.
One of my very good friends is a department manager for magnolia home theater and he says they get 100 times more problems with plasmas.
 
Day 6 - Back
Felt strong today... Good workout. Perhaps I might need to cool it on the deadlifts one of these days - because my subsequent lifts definitely suffer. I put a lot of energy into RDL - especially today. Hopefully I can pull 400 in Cali - but that extra 20 pounds from 265 to 285 was HEAVY... dissapointed a bit.

Pullups
12, 8, 6, 4

Bent Row
12*135, 8*185, 5*205, 4*225 PR, 9*185

Romanian Deadlift
Two attempts at 385... The second one I got 3/4 up, but just couldn't finish... :frustrate
8*225, 5*315, 0*385, 1*365, 4*315, 15*225

Dual Handle Lat Pulldown
12*90, 8*110, 8*130, 5*150

DB Row
8*100, 7*100, 12*80

Reverse Pec Deck
14*115, 10*130, 8*115

Still no additional sides to report.
 
Rugger said:
Dude, do not go plasma! bad idea all around.
One of my very good friends is a department manager for magnolia home theater and he says they get 100 times more problems with plasmas.
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I loved my last one... there's good and bad about both - but plasmas seem to be the winner for video games and sports due to image blur - and thats pretty much all I watch.

I've been down this road before when I bought the first one. :lol: Can't make everyone happy.
 
Hey Timber, I thought Id post up in here finally because ive pretty much been following this run the whole time. Any signs of shutdown yet? I just finished up a run of Hdrol. I LOVED it. Just wanted to keep going and not stop.
 
mrchristian said:
Hey Timber, I thought Id post up in here finally because ive pretty much been following this run the whole time. Any signs of shutdown yet? I just finished up a run of Hdrol. I LOVED it. Just wanted to keep going and not stop.
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Hey buddy.

No shrinkage. No chance of a loss of libido. Normal load. Life is good on the junk front.
 
So the dreaded question for you gentlemen from the Timber camp...

My left nipple is a bit sensitive to the touch, and there appears to be a small soft bump underneath.

I know I was pumped as sh*t for this cycle... but is this the kiss of death for my 3 week run?

I have a few ideas to run by you guys...

First would be to run a low dose AI at night (I have 6-oxo)... perhaps 100mg to see if that improves anything.

The other idea would be to stop the cycle and start my PCT immediately.

I know running low dose Nolva with a progesterone is a bad idea as it sensitizes the progesterone receptors.

Ideas would be appreciated. Pretty bummed out. :sad:
 
I have heard from someone to use caber for that, but honestly I don't know if that will work. I wouldn't hop off cycle yet - how sure are you on this bump? a lot of people freak themselves out and think they have gyno (I've freaked out before when there was clearly nothing wrong, lol)
 
Its sore, and there is a small soft bump under the top left portion... The sore is never a good sign.

Its not a visible bump by any means, but I can certainly feel it.

Personally, I'd rather err on the side of caution.
 
what is it with this mdrol/superdrol compound? wtf?!!! seems everyone gets problems with it so why is it so great again? phera gets knocked around alot but damn superdrol seems to be worse imo.
 
TimberLakers said:
So the dreaded question for you gentlemen from the Timber camp...

My left nipple is a bit sensitive to the touch, and there appears to be a small soft bump underneath.

I know I was pumped as sh*t for this cycle... but is this the kiss of death for my 3 week run?

I have a few ideas to run by you guys...

First would be to run a low dose AI at night (I have 6-oxo)... perhaps 100mg to see if that improves anything.

The other idea would be to stop the cycle and start my PCT immediately.

I know running low dose Nolva with a progesterone is a bad idea as it sensitizes the progesterone receptors.

Ideas would be appreciated. Pretty bummed out. :sad:
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This exact same thing happened to me when i ran PHera about 5 or 6 days in. I started on nolva and was already running B6. TO this day i regret not stopping the cycle. A few pounds of muscle does not justify having a lump under your nip. It will get bigger as well. Stop the cycle. It really is not worth it.......if i only i listened to my own advice i wouldnt have these gyno issues almost 2 years later. 6OXO won't do crap, do you have any letro or Caber?
 
Australian made said:
This exact same thing happened to me when i ran PHera about 5 or 6 days in. I started on nolva and was already running B6. TO this day i regret not stopping the cycle. A few pounds of muscle does not justify having a lump under your nip. It will get bigger as well. Stop the cycle. It really is not worth it.......if i only i listened to my own advice i wouldnt have these gyno issues almost 2 years later. 6OXO won't do crap, do you have any letro or Caber?
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No letro or caber. Should be fine with Nolva so long as I stop M-Drol. Nolva is a no no to run along with M-Drol when you're experiencing prolactin issues.

The soft bump has subsided from what I can feel, but the pain and puffiness has remained. If I plan to stop today - the last question would be to start Nolva now - or wait until tonight. My inclination would be to start now.
 
a good way to tell its prolactin is if you are able to get hard or orgasm fine, then its not prolactin. everyone just assumes since the compound they are using isnt suppose to aromatize that this means its automatically prolactin.......the problem can still lie with the estrogen.
 
pistonpump said:
a good way to tell its prolactin is if you are able to get hard or orgasm fine, then its not prolactin. everyone just assumes since the compound they are using isnt suppose to aromatize that this means its automatically prolactin.......the problem can still lie with the estrogen.
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Yeah, the equipment has been tested daily. All good in the hood.
 
Cycle is done fellas.

20mg of Nolva this morning / 20mg to follow tonight.

Cracked open some DTHC.

It was fun while it lasted... Just going to take a little longer to get huge - and that's ok with me. I have some pretty attainable goals, none of which included female charactoristics.
 
pistonpump said:
a good way to tell its prolactin is if you are able to get hard or orgasm fine, then its not prolactin. everyone just assumes since the compound they are using isnt suppose to aromatize that this means its automatically prolactin.......the problem can still lie with the estrogen.
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Good explanation Piston. And I agree with. It's most likely due to estrogen no matter what all of the bro-knowledge says about it. But what would you suggest for him to do? I hate to see people jumping off cycle automatically. I think he really needs to try and get ahold of some letro. But, could he continue his cycle while addressing these possible estrogen issues? It's not going to evolve into instant titties in the next few days! No decision should be made in haste at the heat of the moment. Timber, I'll be researching this all day for you brother. Don't stop the cycle just yet. Keep up the high dose of p-5-p and chasteberry and start up that 6-OXO at 100 mg. per night. I'd really suggest that you get some bulk ATD powder and a bottle of Penetrate. Mix that up and put it directly on your nips at night at 25 mg. per night. That has helped a lot of people. If you have any questions, PM me. Anytime bro. I'm here to help you if I possibly can. :thumbsup:
 
thundergod said:
Good explanation Piston. And I agree with. It's most likely due to estrogen no matter what all of the bro-knowledge says about it. But what would you suggest for him to do? I hate to see people jumping off cycle automatically. I think he really needs to try and get ahold of some letro. But, could he continue his cycle while addressing these possible estrogen issues? It's not going to evolve into instant titties in the next few days! No decision should be made in haste at the heat of the moment. Timber, I'll be researching this all day for you brother. Don't stop the cycle just yet. Keep up the high dose of p-5-p and chasteberry and start up that 6-OXO at 100 mg. per night. I'd really suggest that you get some bulk ATD powder and a bottle of Penetrate. Mix that up and put it directly on your nips at night at 25 mg. per night. That has helped a lot of people. If you have any questions, PM me. Anytime bro. I'm here to help you if I possibly can. :thumbsup:
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TG, I appreciate it... I researched until about 2:30 AM last night. Found a lot of good information, but as usual - a lot of conflicting information as well. It seems like the safest and most definitive way to correct the problem is to immediately stop the cycle, and start my PCT - and if it is estrogen related, there should be no issues with the Nolva. Unsure as whether I should start running the 6oxo immediately - or wait two weeks as per my original plan.
 
TimberLakers said:
TG, I appreciate it... I researched until about 2:30 AM last night. Found a lot of good information, but as usual - a lot of conflicting information as well. It seems like the safest and most definitive way to correct the problem is to immediately stop the cycle, and start my PCT - and if it is estrogen related, there should be no issues with the Nolva. Unsure as whether I should start running the 6oxo immediately - or wait two weeks as per my original plan.
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Well brother, if you've made your mind up then go ahead with your planned PCT. Hold off on the 6-OXO until beginning the third week of PCT. I hope all goes well. And I reallly think it will. Don't stress bro. We'll hit up that recomp together in mid-December. I saw your post in Russian's thread telling me you were interested in a AP/Slin type of recomp run. Let me know. We'll iron out all the details before mid-December rolls around. You go have a blast out in Cali with G-Money. Hit you up some ECA again to get things rolling along. And some high-dose Beta-Alanine of course. I am truly lovin' dat shit!! :woohoo:
 
you made some good suggestions and points TG. Timber you could continue but it would be less hassle to just PCT now. How long were you on it for, 6 days? Yeah maybe getting off is a good thing if you were further in i would say stay on but its been about a week only. Id stop the chasteberry because ive read conflicting studies on that. Try some l-dopa type supps and i would start the 6oxo after 1 week of the nolva. It was only a 6 days cycle so PCT should not be hard. Keep at 40mg tamox until symptoms die down then continue with a good dose of 6oxo or like TG said, TD ATD....an AI in general for 4 weeks to be sure. Run the DTHC as well.
 
pistonpump said:
you made some good suggestions and points TG. Timber you could continue but it would be less hassle to just PCT now. How long were you on it for, 6 days? Yeah maybe getting off is a good thing if you were further in i would say stay on but its been about a week only. Id stop the chasteberry because ive read conflicting studies on that. Try some l-dopa type supps and i would start the 6oxo after 1 week of the nolva. It was only a 6 days cycle so PCT should not be hard. Keep at 40mg tamox until symptoms die down then continue with a good dose of 6oxo or like TG said, TD ATD....an AI in general for 4 weeks to be sure. Run the DTHC as well.
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Good advice bro. I was suggesting the transdermal ATD to be applied to his nipples only for a few weeks at 25 mg. per night. I have seen several guys have great success with this. Lump shrinks and puffiness goes away. But you're probably right about since he's just started the cycle, to go ahead and PCT out. If you decide to run anything hormonal in the future Timber, you might want to grab some A-Dex to low dose while on-cycle. I never run a cycle without some form of AI by the way. I don't care what bro-telligence says. I know what works for me!!
 
Cool. Yeah - its only been 6 days, and I'm not shutdown fully.. so I'm hoping the rebound is fast and PCT smooth.

TG - I don't want you to think I'm not listening to your advice. I'm sure I could follow your suggestions and probably ride this out just fine... But I figure I have nothing but time.
 
TimberLakers said:
Cool. Yeah - its only been 6 days, and I'm not shutdown fully.. so I'm hoping the rebound is fast and PCT smooth.

TG - I don't want you to think I'm not listening to your advice. I'm sure I could follow your suggestions and probably ride this out just fine... But I figure I have nothing but time.
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Don't give it a second thought brother. I don't blame you at all. I am just bull-fuckin'-headed! I would stay on no matter what! But that route might not prove wisest. Your decision is much safer. You'll be fine, I'm sure.
 
People who've never had gyno will tell you to continue but like you said you have nothing but time. Get rid of the lump and there's no reason you can't give it another try early next year with a low dose AI of some sort...I'm with TG on that one.
 
thundergod said:
Don't give it a second thought brother. I don't blame you at all. I am just bull-fuckin'-headed! I would stay on no matter what! But that route might not prove wisest. Your decision is much safer. You'll be fine, I'm sure.
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You gotta remember - you have that wonderful wife that would pin you in a heartbeat...

I have a savage part time girlfriend that wants me to be fat and 155 pounds. :lol:
 
Sorry about the setback T. Now you can bust up G with the weights and tell him its natural. hehheh
 
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