M-DROL zero gains in first week, WTF.

scmusclefreak

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Last friday, I began my first M-DROL cycle, 10mg/day. Planned on running 10/10/20. Today is day 7 and so far total weight gained is only two tenths of a pound WTF. Diet is 5000 CLEAN cals/day incl. 620 g carbs & 380g protein. Training is intense (5 day split). Is this normal for the first week? I have heard the gains don't start til the 2nd week but others claim having had m-drol kick in within 3 days. I feel slightly drier and fuller but that's it. No strength gain and no real size/weight gain.
 
its not the m-drol but i've never taking it at 10mg b4. Give it some more time, should be feeling it full throttle soon. WHen was the last time you deloaded? meaning when was the last time you get your volume or intensity by half? sometimes people dont see gains because theyre CNS is fried. PS like m-drol will give you explosive gains but not if youre fatigued. The tricky thing about CNS fatigue is that its a lot harder to notice than muscular fatigue. I'm on day 5 on my m-drol dermacrine cycle and i havent noticed really anything yet but I am most definitely getting stronger because I am coming off a pretty substantial break (and also my placebo effect and mental edge of being 'ON') keep us updated bro. shoot me a PM if things dont change.
 
I'd hold off on the 'bunk batch' excuse for a few more days. You don't read any more expectancy effects to stop you from getting HOOOGGE!!
 
i'd ride this cycle out before you make a decision. let me give you an example.

SD gains come anywhere from week 1-2. you might be the guy that sees massive improvements in week 2. post back in a week - if you still haven't made an improvement, then its bunk.

also, if you take your milk thistle at the same time as the m-drol, you are limiting how much m-drol your body can absorb. most people suggest a 4 hour difference in time between milk thistle and a PH/PS.

lastly, 5k calories, 620g carbs, 320 protein? where's the healthy fats? without mono fats (peanut butter, etc) you will have serious issues putting size on you.

again, post back in a week and let us know whats happening.
 
im not sure if the "bunk" mdrol batch was ever rly confirmed. . . . it was floating around here a couple months back but it was only a very few cases. . . . coulda just been a handful of non responders
 
I respond very well to SD and this batch didn't do anything for me after over a week going up to 30mg:

Mdrol 092107

I still have an unopened bottle and the remainder of the first bottle. I've brought this up before but I will not argue it further because I know what i experienced and i'm not stupid.

If someone wants to buy the bottles off me at a discount and log them, that is fine with me.
 
I get plenty of healthy fats as well (100+ g/day and supplement w/ fish & flax oils). I will wait and see what happens in week 2. I researched bunk batches before starting the cycle and mine seemed to be legit. What sucks is I can no longer read the batch #, for some reason the stamp wore off. I may have it written down somewhere though. Tomorrow I'm going to up it to 20mg and go from there...
 
sounds bunk man....with m-drol being a 3weeker, you should be have some definite blood pressure spikage and noticable pumps.

On havoc I felt VERY noticeable "on" effects as early as day 4 with both cycles

funny how I've read a good number of "2nd week of CEL P-Plex and nothing"
-peoples responses are check your diet, calories....etc....bottom line is, even if you eat carrots and drink milk all week you should still know theres a substance in your body through bp, pump, something! This is one of the most side effective ph's on the market

Connect the dots.
 
scmusclefreak said:
Last friday, I began my first M-DROL cycle, 10mg/day. Planned on running 10/10/20. Today is day 7 and so far total weight gained is only two tenths of a pound WTF. Diet is 5000 CLEAN cals/day incl. 620 g carbs & 380g protein. Training is intense (5 day split). Is this normal for the first week? I have heard the gains don't start til the 2nd week but others claim having had m-drol kick in within 3 days. I feel slightly drier and fuller but that's it. No strength gain and no real size/weight gain.
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Ok I want to to ask something because even with out the mdrol at 5000 calories a day you should be gaining weight. Say even if you have a high maintenace of 3500-4000 calories a day which is really HIGH. Your taking in what 1000-1500 calories a day over maintenace? that alone would should be good for around 2lbs in weight gain. Not saying 2lbs of muscle but 2lbs of weight on the scale. Something seems very off if you've only gained 2/10ths of a pound on those kinds of calories
 
Dude, the bunk batch Mdrol rumors are just that. They are rumors posted about CEL by competitors... it started on BB.com if memory serves me right. Don't buy into the hype. 2nd week of mdrol is when the gains are supposed to explode. Keep eating your carbs and keep hitting the weights. Run it at 10/20/20 if you are worried.
 
scmusclefreak said:
Last friday, I began my first M-DROL cycle, 10mg/day. Planned on running 10/10/20. Today is day 7 and so far total weight gained is only two tenths of a pound WTF. Diet is 5000 CLEAN cals/day incl. 620 g carbs & 380g protein. Training is intense (5 day split). Is this normal for the first week? I have heard the gains don't start til the 2nd week but others claim having had m-drol kick in within 3 days. I feel slightly drier and fuller but that's it. No strength gain and no real size/weight gain.
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what is your batch number bro??
 
i dont feel anything at 10 mg the first week. the first week for me is kinda like "just gets in your sytem" then once i bump up 20mg the second week. it kicks in. 10mg doesnt do anything for me. i run 10/20/20/30
 
personally i did not fell anything at 10mg. Why is everyone saying its bunk. LOL it has only been a freaking week, give it time. CEL would not release a bunk batch.
 
dan12 said:
personally i did not fell anything at 10mg. Why is everyone saying its bunk. LOL it has only been a freaking week, give it time. CEL would not release a bunk batch.
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That's what I am saying! What compound kicks in for mass gains before week 1 is over?! Esp. at 10mg?!

You should ask a CEL rep for the results of the tests on your batch #. CEL tests all their products at Proviant, Patrick Arnold's laboratory... Timberlakers brought this up and the CEL rep posted the results right on his page lol. The results were 99.99% pure superdrol.

CEL wouldn't have everyones trust and the reputation that they have if they put out bunk hormones.
 
GMG760 said:
That's what I am saying! What compound kicks in for mass gains before week 1 is over?! Esp. at 10mg?!

You should ask a CEL rep for the results of the tests on your batch #. CEL tests all their products at Proviant, Patrick Arnold's laboratory... Timberlakers brought this up and the CEL rep posted the results right on his page lol. The results were 99.99% pure superdrol.

CEL wouldn't have everyones trust and the reputation that they have if they put out bunk hormones.
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For me SD and PP kick in right away with weight gain... def. does not take over a week. Lemme look at my weigh ins from when i did my SD run.... yes keep track... write it all down.

2 days: up 4.5 pounds
3 days: up 6 pounds
8 days in: up 10 pounds

I haven't checked my records in a while, this is actually better than i thought.

This is how i respond to SD that works.

This is how i respond to SD that doesn't work, AKA Mdrol batch # 92107
day 1: up 0 pounds
day 5: up 0 pounds
day 8: up 0 pounds

Idk maybe you people think I'm stupid... But i am pretty in tune with my body, i'm not one of the people on AM that has run 10 cycles and is still small... Tired of arguing this ****.


Crazyfool 10mg of SD is plenty, 20-30 hardly elicits better gains, i know you are a fan of the high doses but just because you can handle it doesn't make it that much better. I tell you 30mg of SD is 3x more toxicity than 10mg and maybe 1.2x more gains... diminishing returns bro.
 
UnrealMachine said:
For me SD and PP kick in right away with weight gain... def. does not take over a week. Lemme look at my weigh ins from when i did my SD run.... yes keep track... write it all down.

2 days: up 4.5 pounds
3 days: up 6 pounds
8 days in: up 10 pounds

I haven't checked my records in a while, this is actually better than i thought.

This is how i respond to SD that works.

This is how i respond to SD that doesn't work, AKA Mdrol batch # 92107
day 1: up 0 pounds
day 5: up 0 pounds
day 8: up 0 pounds

Idk maybe you people think I'm stupid... But i am pretty in tune with my body, i'm not one of the people on AM that has run 10 cycles and is still small... Tired of arguing this ****.


Crazyfool 10mg of SD is plenty, 20-30 hardly elicits better gains, i know you are a fan of the high doses but just because you can handle it doesn't make it that much better. I tell you 30mg of SD is 3x more toxicity than 10mg and maybe 1.2x more gains... diminishing returns bro.
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i hear ya, but like i said the sweet spot for me was 20-30 mg, i had all blood work done too (liver enzymes were NORMAL)
 
UnrealMachine said:
For me SD and PP kick in right away with weight gain... def. does not take over a week. Lemme look at my weigh ins from when i did my SD run.... yes keep track... write it all down.

2 days: up 4.5 pounds
3 days: up 6 pounds
8 days in: up 10 pounds

I haven't checked my records in a while, this is actually better than i thought.

This is how i respond to SD that works.

This is how i respond to SD that doesn't work, AKA Mdrol batch # 92107
day 1: up 0 pounds
day 5: up 0 pounds
day 8: up 0 pounds

Idk maybe you people think I'm stupid... But i am pretty in tune with my body, i'm not one of the people on AM that has run 10 cycles and is still small... Tired of arguing this ****.


Crazyfool 10mg of SD is plenty, 20-30 hardly elicits better gains, i know you are a fan of the high doses but just because you can handle it doesn't make it that much better. I tell you 30mg of SD is 3x more toxicity than 10mg and maybe 1.2x more gains... diminishing returns bro.
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how long did you leave in between those two cycles?
 
UnrealMachine said:
For me SD and PP kick in right away with weight gain... def. does not take over a week. Lemme look at my weigh ins from when i did my SD run.... yes keep track... write it all down.

2 days: up 4.5 pounds
3 days: up 6 pounds
8 days in: up 10 pounds

I haven't checked my records in a while, this is actually better than i thought.

This is how i respond to SD that works.

This is how i respond to SD that doesn't work, AKA Mdrol batch # 92107
day 1: up 0 pounds
day 5: up 0 pounds
day 8: up 0 pounds

Idk maybe you people think I'm stupid... But i am pretty in tune with my body, i'm not one of the people on AM that has run 10 cycles and is still small... Tired of arguing this ****.


Crazyfool 10mg of SD is plenty, 20-30 hardly elicits better gains, i know you are a fan of the high doses but just because you can handle it doesn't make it that much better. I tell you 30mg of SD is 3x more toxicity than 10mg and maybe 1.2x more gains... diminishing returns bro.
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No offense to your post but it would be awfully hard for someone for gain 4.5 pounds in 2 days, even on 50mg of m-drol.
 
nattydisaster said:
No offense to your post but it would be awfully hard for someone for gain 4.5 pounds in 2 days, even on 50mg of m-drol.
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I can gain 5 pounds on a single carb up day. You know what it's like for 203 pounds of raw LBM to go from carb depleted to filled up?

If i do a carb up and fully hydrate myself I can go up 7 or 8 pounds in a day. I'm really not filling up all the way either...

Of course, most of that weight goes away by the next morning. But on SD, i would continually eat up several pounds a day and KEEP most of it into the next day... the scale flew up.

Besides, these are gym weighins, there is always a little fluctuation associated with it, but the trend is unmistakeable.

Like i've said, SD hits me right away... if other people need 10+ days for it to kick in, too bad for them.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Like i've said, SD hits me right away... if other people need 10+ days for it to kick in, too bad for them.
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Hey your lucky SD hits you so quick. After all these years nothing hits me that quick maybe test suspension might still but then again your only 23 ( I mean that in a good way)

Hell at the age I could 10lbs in I dont' know how quick and go back up just as quick (Wrestler) Now a days my body just doesn't do it that quick
 
UnrealMachine said:
I can gain 5 pounds on a single carb up day. You know what it's like for 203 pounds of raw LBM to go from carb depleted to filled up?

If i do a carb up and fully hydrate myself I can go up 7 or 8 pounds in a day. I'm really not filling up all the way either...

Of course, most of that weight goes away by the next morning. But on SD, i would continually eat up several pounds a day and KEEP most of it into the next day... the scale flew up.

Besides, these are gym weighins, there is always a little fluctuation associated with it, but the trend is unmistakeable.

Like i've said, SD hits me right away... if other people need 10+ days for it to kick in, too bad for them.
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Right. I understand that, trust me. But if that's your reasoning for gaining 4.5lbs in 2 days then it shouldn't have been any different whether it was superdrol or mdrol or any compounds. That's simply weight fluctuation, not so much "weight gain". That half life of the superdrol compound is 4-8 hours. And with you only taking 10-20mg, it would be impossible for it to be actively working by the 2nd day.

Im not trying to bash you or anything man, I'm just sayin'.
 
nattydisaster said:
That's simply weight fluctuation, not so much "weight gain". That half life of the superdrol compound is 4-8 hours. And with you only taking 10-20mg, it would be impossible for it to be actively working by the 2nd day.
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No, my weight doesn't fluctuate up 10 pounds in 8 days, that's an incredibly retarded notion. I showed you my actual weigh-ins by day, i write that stuff down like i said... I can fluctuate 1-3 pounds but as fluctuating weigh ins look like this
225
224
224
226

Not like this
225
227
227
229.5
230
231
230
234

Just an example. I think the trend is pretty obvious.

And if the half life is 4-8 hours, you are telling me that after the first ~6 hours, 50% of the SD is expended. Within 12 hours, 75% of expended. Within 18 hours, 87.5% of the 10mg dose is expended, and by 24 hours there's another 10mg dose... If in a 24 hour hour period, basically 10mg of SD is expended, how is it impossible to be gaining weight by day 2? Please explain how it's impossible for SD to cause weight gain by day 2.


I also got day 2 weight gain from Phera Plex when i first ran it for a bulk. I was gaining consistently a pound a day the first week, i think it was +11 pounds in 10 days or something. And day 2 of PP i was up from day 1 and day 3 was up from day 2 etc.... kicked in right away and started rapidly gaining weight. No need for pseudoscience and bullshit, I've been weightlifting for a long time and don't need someone to tell me that my steroids aren't working even though i'm gaining weight like crazy.
 
UnrealMachine said:
No, my weight doesn't fluctuate up 10 pounds in 8 days, that's an incredibly retarded notion. I showed you my actual weigh-ins by day, i write that stuff down like i said... I can fluctuate 1-3 pounds but as fluctuating weigh ins look like this
225
224
224
226

Not like this
225
227
227
229.5
230
231
230
234

Just an example. I think the trend is pretty obvious.

And if the half life is 4-8 hours, you are telling me that after the first ~6 hours, 50% of the SD is expended. Within 12 hours, 75% of expended. Within 18 hours, 87.5% of the 10mg dose is expended, and by 24 hours there's another 10mg dose... If in a 24 hour hour period, basically 10mg of SD is expended, how is it impossible to be gaining weight by day 2? Please explain how it's impossible for SD to cause weight gain by day 2.


I also got day 2 weight gain from Phera Plex when i first ran it for a bulk. I was gaining consistently a pound a day the first week, i think it was +11 pounds in 10 days or something. And day 2 of PP i was up from day 1 and day 3 was up from day 2 etc.... kicked in right away and started rapidly gaining weight. No need for pseudoscience and bullshit, I've been weightlifting for a long time and don't need someone to tell me that my steroids aren't working even though i'm gaining weight like crazy.
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Alright, man. My statement was that you couldnt have gained 4.5 pounds of pure weight by day 2. The you jumped on the carb train, saying it's easy for you/anyone to do that. I agreed. Im not saying it's impossible to gain weight by day 2. Re-read what I said. I said it's impossible to gain 4.5 pounds because of the superdrol on day 2. I'm not going to e-argue with you, you obviously have some theory in your head. A 4.5 pound increase is usually what guys see after being on superdrol for 7-10 days.
 
crazyfool405 said:
i had that batch, my gains were definetly not all that great. but im glad its workiung for you
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Not al that great? As in worse than SD should be...?
 
Great, that's the batch I have stowed away in my supplement cabinet. I'm not jumping to conclusions though. But i will keep an eye on this thread and your gains/sides (or lack of).
 
I have no sides yet really other than difficulty maintaining an erection which I never had problems with before. This may just be because my girl & I did it almost a dozen times between friday night & sunday night. Some shrinkage is noticeable however. I know these are the sides people often neglect to mention but I am looking to do an honest review here.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Not al that great? As in worse than SD should be...?
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it coulda been because it was a bridge from pplex, but i only gained total of like 10 pounds in the 7 weeks, and lost maybe a percent BF

but i honestly have to say i think the cissus PWO inhibited my gains.

so i cant say that it didnt work persay, because there were other factors involved,

i should say i didnt see what i expected from either.
 
sd killed my libido even while on maintenance dose of test so be careful, u dont want to pull out a floppy on ur girl she mite not take it the right way
 
balls seemed to have gotten larger again so who knows. Tomorrow starts the 3rd and final week. I'll check my weight in the morning. Start of cycle was 198, estimating 203-204 tomorrow morning. So 5-6lbs in first 2 weeks, doesnt seem great..should I up the dose to 30mg tomorrow for the last week?
 
End of 2 weeks i was +13 lbs

Your balls should not be getting any bigger that could be a daily fluctuation...

Hey if suppression seems that weak and the gains are so weak, why not hit 30mg
 
ya, today I was 204 and only have 5 days left on cycle. Left dose at 20mg. I am thinking of just getting off, doing my pct, taking a break and getting on injectables.
 
scmusclefreak said:
ya, today I was 204 and only have 5 days left on cycle. Left dose at 20mg. I am thinking of just getting off, doing my pct, taking a break and getting on injectables.
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Good choice bro

SD should have worked a lot better maybe you don't respond well to the substance but it's so strong i find that unlikely...

Rugger said:
Where do I locate the batch number?
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Bottom of the bottle on a sticker for me
 
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