Post Cycle Support Vs. 6-0x0 Extreme

which do you feel is more effective?

  • AI's Post Cycle Support

    Votes: 55 47.8%

  • Ergopharm's 6-0x0 EXTREME

    Votes: 60 52.2%
  • Total voters
    115
Daminals said:
Icariin aka horny goat weed never did anything for me. I got a big bottle for $9 at a vitamin store by my house. And I probably get too much of quercetin cause I drink tons of grapefruit juice and its loaded wit quercetin. I know quercetin helps wit absorbtion but what's in proven to do during your pct?
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Icariin is NOT horny goat weed.
 
rabican said:
how does these AI discussed compare with:

Indole-3-Carbinol
Chrysin
Diindolylmethane (DIM)

?
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I3C is not an aromatase inhibitor.

Chrysin and DIM are both competative inhibitors; whereas, 6-oxo is a suicidal inhibitor, which means it binds to the enzyme until you piss it out.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
okay i am looking at a PCS bottle right now........


IT states........

Lowers Estrogen, Increase Libido, Testosterone enhancer.......

Whats the dealio with the lowering estrogen, does it or doesnt it?

I have a friend that was going to do this:

4 weeks tren xtreme 90mg-ED
PCS-30 days- bottle directions
1 or 2 bottles 6-oxoX-60/4 caps-ED.

Test should be low, Estrogen will be high going into PCT.

will PCS help lower E or not? I dont want to kill the E, i just want to control it while test builds......... then come in with the 6-oxoX

I really do not believe research chems are needed for 4 weeks at this dosage.........
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PCS will not drop estrogen levels dangerously low.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
So is this PCS vs. 6-oxoX a fair comparison?

I know its only 1 ingredient, but it is fairly significant.
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it's more than one ingredient difference.

I suppose it's a fair comparison, when I was designing it, I noticed that it started to look quite similar to 6-oxoX.
 
thesinner said:
it's more than one ingredient difference.

I suppose it's a fair comparison, when I was designing it, I noticed that it started to look quite similar to 6-oxoX.
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The main ingredient(AI-trione) i was referring to......

So, what is the primary function of PCS? Is it PCT, stand alone, general health or anti-e?

The bottle i am looking at sells it as a PCT, which is fine. PCT for what though?

I know most respond with overkill PCT's to be safe in their recommendations........

What cycles will PCS work for in regards to PCT?.......

If there is an answer.
 
In instances of high estrogen, and low testosterone, it binds to and deactivates estrogen receptors, which in turn will trigger androgen production.
 
thesinner said:
In instances of high estrogen, and low testosterone, it binds to and deactivates estrogen receptors, which in turn will trigger androgen production.
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thank you. this is exactly what i need it to do.

Seems like PCS is the way to go on a dosage cost basis. But since the ingredient profile is different, it really isnt a fair comparison.
 
thesinner said:
it's more than one ingredient difference.

I suppose it's a fair comparison, when I was designing it, I noticed that it started to look quite similar to 6-oxoX.
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man, I didn't knew that it was you who design PCS, congrats bro, good formula as usual, its a shame that I cant buy it here in Europe cause there's no anabolic innovations retailers around here ...
I believe this is a very solid product and a must on pct.
However I always look at it as an addition to a stack with a serm or an ai, I believe that for milder ph`s this product does a good job but do you recommend it as a solo pct for high suppressive cycles?
Regards bro
 
I have a question. What would be the best way to use PCS after a 2 week cycle of M1T? I'm gonna use PCS as one of my supps for pct after the cycle. How many caps should a start with and then end with?, should I taper it?
 
nunes said:
man, I didn't knew that it was you who design PCS, congrats bro, good formula as usual, its a shame that I cant buy it here in Europe cause there's no anabolic innovations retailers around here ...
I believe this is a very solid product and a must on pct.
However I always look at it as an addition to a stack with a serm or an ai, I believe that for milder ph`s this product does a good job but do you recommend it as a solo pct for high suppressive cycles?
Regards bro
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what? not me bro.

Just stating some observations.

i make no recommendations, i merely babble.

I babble bout my lab rats and what they do.
 
powerlinelift said:
I have a question. What would be the best way to use PCS after a 2 week cycle of M1T? I'm gonna use PCS as one of my supps for pct after the cycle. How many caps should a start with and then end with?, should I taper it?
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M1T is some harsh shite.

2 weeks is a short time, but from what i here. That stuff is :banned: and :sick:.

I would do a search for this. Not really sure what is recommended for 2 weeks of that poison.
 
powerlinelift said:
I have a question. What would be the best way to use PCS after a 2 week cycle of M1T? I'm gonna use PCS as one of my supps for pct after the cycle. How many caps should a start with and then end with?, should I taper it?
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Hello Powerlinelift,

I am VERY sorry I did not see this question earlier.

Using POST Cycle Support would be 2 caps in the AM 2 caps in the PM no need to taper up or down it will be fine.

You can see more info on PCT at Invalid Link Removed

If you or anyone else ever has a question which doesn't get answered here please feel free to contact me directly at [email protected]

Thank you!


CROWLER
 
nunes said:
man, I didn't knew that it was you who design PCS, congrats bro, good formula as usual, its a shame that I cant buy it here in Europe cause there's no anabolic innovations retailers around here ...
I believe this is a very solid product and a must on pct.
However I always look at it as an addition to a stack with a serm or an ai, I believe that for milder ph`s this product does a good job but do you recommend it as a solo pct for high suppressive cycles?
Regards bro
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Sup Nunes? PCT is a compound specific protocol. You can't just take one PCT protocol and apply it to every cycle. I will be running a SD cycle later this year and I am going to run PCS/I3C/ZMA/6-oxo. I'll have some Vitex on hand in case of prolactin sides.

Bob made one hell of a product here and I think in combination with other products it can be solid for and oral cycle ... There are haters out there but whatever, I am not out to convince everyone, just those that are looking for an alternative.
 
dmangiarelli said:
PCT is a compound specific protocol. You can't just take one PCT protocol and apply it to every cycle. I will be running a SD cycle later this year and I am going to run PCS/I3C/ZMA/6-oxo. I'll have some Vitex on hand in case of prolactin sides.

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I agree that's why I think that comparing PCS with 6-oxo is absurd, there are steroid cycles that need at least an AI for a proper recovery (I can see that you use it when you use superdrol)
In some cases people do cycles without knowing how their body will react to the post cycle and as we know some people have very harsh sides like estrogen rebound, so my advise is for steroids like phera and super never do a first cycle without a real SERM , if You cant get one have at least an AI at hand but even that AI may not be enough so keep that in mind...
I personally use PCS in all my pct`s but I never use it alone , but that is just me ...
 
nunes said:
I agree that's why I think that comparing PCS with 6-oxo is absurd, there are steroid cycles that need at least an AI for a proper recovery (I can see that you use it when you use superdrol)
In some cases people do cycles without knowing how their body will react to the post cycle and as we know some people have very harsh sides like estrogen rebound, so my advise is for steroids like phera and super never do a first cycle without a real SERM , if You cant get one have at least an AI at hand but even that AI may not be enough so keep that in mind...
I personally use PCS in all my pct`s but I never use it alone , but that is just me ...
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Exactly! And the dosing protocol is different for each cycle. For instance, an SD cycle will tend to shut you down really hard in a short period of time which will increase the sensitivity of ER's making a rebound even greater of an occurance. People need to take the proper precautions against this type of scenario. It speaks loudly as to why you need to research BEFORE taking something and not just come her asking for advice once you get into trouble ...
 
dmangiarelli said:
Sup Nunes? PCT is a compound specific protocol. You can't just take one PCT protocol and apply it to every cycle. I will be running a SD cycle later this year and I am going to run PCS/I3C/ZMA/6-oxo. I'll have some Vitex on hand in case of prolactin sides.

Bob made one hell of a product here and I think in combination with other products it can be solid for and oral cycle ... There are haters out there but whatever, I am not out to convince everyone, just those that are looking for an alternative.
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I have some SD on hand as well. Any chance you can post the dosing protocols of the supplements you plan to be using and in what dosages? Would be greatly appreciated!
 
Jordan338 said:
I have some SD on hand as well. Any chance you can post the dosing protocols of the supplements you plan to be using and in what dosages? Would be greatly appreciated!
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My PCT for SD will be the following:

Weeks 1-4 PCS (4/day)/I3C(400 Mgs/day)/ZMA(3/day at bedtime)/SAMe
Weeks 3-6 LX(4/day)/AX(4/day)/6-oxo 400/300/200/100
Kre-Akalyn throughout PCT

I will have Vitex on hand in case of prolactin sides which I will run at 400 mgs/day if the sides appear. I plan to run SD at:

10-20/20/30/30
Cycle Support
Multi
Whey

I will be starting up in August sometime ...
 
dmangiarelli said:
My PCT for SD will be the following:

Weeks 1-4 PCS (4/day)/I3C(400 Mgs/day)/ZMA(3/day at bedtime)/SAMe
Weeks 3-6 LX(4/day)/AX(4/day)/6-oxo 400/300/200/100
Kre-Akalyn throughout PCT

I will have Vitex on hand in case of prolactin sides which I will run at 400 mgs/day if the sides appear. I plan to run SD at:

10-20/20/30/30
Cycle Support
Multi
Whey

I will be starting up in August sometime ...
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I will definately be watching that log. 4 , 8 and 12 week updates post PCT will be repped:), hint hint (E rebound)
 
Kristofer68SS said:
I will definately be watching that log. 4 , 8 and 12 week updates post PCT will be repped:), hint hint (E rebound)
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LOL! There won't be any e rebound ... From what I can tell, people aren't necessarily getting an e rebound per se as much as getting hyper-sensitized ER's and thus having the estrogen exerting a greater effect on ER's when it comes back. 6-oxo/Activate Xtreme should have a profound effect on stabilizing that situation. The other nasty effect is that once people are done with the nolva and it is not occupying the ER's any longer, prolactin can also exert it's effects on the ER's. If you haven't done anything to prevent a rise in prolactin, even if you use an AI you won't be combating those sides and that is where the rebound gyno comes from ...
 
dmangiarelli said:
LOL! There won't be any e rebound ... From what I can tell, people aren't necessarily getting an e rebound per se as much as getting hyper-sensitized ER's and thus having the estrogen exerting a greater effect on ER's when it comes back. 6-oxo/Activate Xtreme should have a profound effect on stabilizing that situation. The other nasty effect is that once people are done with the nolva and it is not occupying the ER's any longer, prolactin can also exert it's effects on the ER's. If you haven't done anything to prevent a rise in prolactin, even if you use an AI you won't be combating those sides and that is where the rebound gyno comes from ...
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however you like to state it, I will be watching.
 
I did a 4-month, low-dose (20mg), 3on/4off SD pulse (at the low dosing, it just took that long to get through a bottle). It was very successful (put on 15+ lbs LBM), and I experienced zero shutdown (continued to "perform" magnificently right through the end).
With the lack of shutdown, I figured I could get along with 6oxoExtreme as my PCT. I tapered it down gradually for 24 days, and everything was great, right through the end of PCT. But then...
I woke up 2 weeks post-PCT with a single, swollen, painful, lactating teet. Typical SD "delayed gyno." Sux ass.
Needing to act immediately (meaning OTC), I ran out and picked up some Novedex XT (contains ATD, a very potent oral AI), p5p (to halt the lactation), and NicoDerm patches (nicotine is a milder AI, and you can apply the patches directly on the nip). It worked immediately and spectacularly -- the pain and lactation stopped within 2 days, and the swelling was wiped out within a week. (I'm not sure I can even feel the gland under there anymore. Yay.)
Actually, the 6oxoExtreme seemed to work just fine as a solo PCT. I think I simply needed to stay on it longer than 24 days for a 4-month cycle (even though it was a low-dose pulse cycle). So now I'm staying on the ATD/p5p much longer -- approx 12 weeks, with a very very gradual down taper (hoping to avoid a 2nd bout of e-rebound). And I've ditched the nicotine patches -- they may have helped, but they're no longer needed (and they can give you a rash, applying them to the same spot day after day after day).
I'm very interested to see how your OTC PCT approach pans out. Good luck.
 
ImJ2x said:
I did a 4-month, low-dose (20mg), 3on/4off SD pulse (at the low dosing, it just took that long to get through a bottle). It was very successful (put on 15+ lbs LBM), and I experienced zero shutdown (continued to "perform" magnificently right through the end).
With the lack of shutdown, I figured I could get along with 6oxoExtreme as my PCT. I tapered it down gradually for 24 days, and everything was great, right through the end of PCT. But then...
I woke up 2 weeks post-PCT with a single, swollen, painful, lactating teet. Typical SD "delayed gyno." Sux ass.
Needing to act immediately (meaning OTC), I ran out and picked up some Novedex XT (contains ATD, a very potent oral AI), p5p (to halt the lactation), and NicoDerm patches (nicotine is a milder AI, and you can apply the patches directly on the nip). It worked immediately and spectacularly -- the pain and lactation stopped within 2 days, and the swelling was wiped out within a week. (I'm not sure I can even feel the gland under there anymore. Yay.)
Actually, the 6oxoExtreme seemed to work just fine as a solo PCT. I think I simply needed to stay on it longer than 24 days for a 4-month cycle (even though it was a low-dose pulse cycle). So now I'm staying on the ATD/p5p much longer -- approx 12 weeks, with a very very gradual down taper (hoping to avoid a 2nd bout of e-rebound). And I've ditched the nicotine patches -- they may have helped, but they're no longer needed (and they can give you a rash, applying them to the same spot day after day after day).
I'm very interested to see how your OTC PCT approach pans out. Good luck.
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thats a long pulse bro........

no matter what anyone says, i still dont think there is a specific pct protocol that has been figured out yet.

I know clomid and liquidex worked for my buddy, although he only ran 20mg ED for 21 days.

keep us posted on your progress ImJ2x, please and thank you.
 
ImJ2x said:
I did a 4-month, low-dose (20mg), 3on/4off SD pulse (at the low dosing, it just took that long to get through a bottle). It was very successful (put on 15+ lbs LBM), and I experienced zero shutdown (continued to "perform" magnificently right through the end).
With the lack of shutdown, I figured I could get along with 6oxoExtreme as my PCT. I tapered it down gradually for 24 days, and everything was great, right through the end of PCT. But then...
I woke up 2 weeks post-PCT with a single, swollen, painful, lactating teet. Typical SD "delayed gyno." Sux ass.
Needing to act immediately (meaning OTC), I ran out and picked up some Novedex XT (contains ATD, a very potent oral AI), p5p (to halt the lactation), and NicoDerm patches (nicotine is a milder AI, and you can apply the patches directly on the nip). It worked immediately and spectacularly -- the pain and lactation stopped within 2 days, and the swelling was wiped out within a week. (I'm not sure I can even feel the gland under there anymore. Yay.)
Actually, the 6oxoExtreme seemed to work just fine as a solo PCT. I think I simply needed to stay on it longer than 24 days for a 4-month cycle (even though it was a low-dose pulse cycle). So now I'm staying on the ATD/p5p much longer -- approx 12 weeks, with a very very gradual down taper (hoping to avoid a 2nd bout of e-rebound). And I've ditched the nicotine patches -- they may have helped, but they're no longer needed (and they can give you a rash, applying them to the same spot day after day after day).
I'm very interested to see how your OTC PCT approach pans out. Good luck.
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dang, I hadn't heard about your delayed gyno, that blows
 
I can't wait - I have a 90/90/90/90 Prop cycle coming up stacked w/ Beast Sports 2Shredded. Going for an OTC PCT w/ Post Cycle Support, I3C, Cycle Support (also being utilized on cycle, too) & 6-oxo (on hand)
 
EasyEJL said:
dang, I hadn't heard about your delayed gyno, that blows
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Yeah Easy - it blows donkey. But that oft-maligned Novedex XT stuff is working great on my gyno. It's ATD is supposedly very close to Letro in effectiveness as an AI. Don't dismiss it just because it's unpopular on this board.
 
yeah, its pretty much just like anything else, its the main ingredient in novedex-xt. it tends to being a bit stonger than 6-oxo, so 100mg a day is a big dose. most guys see libido issues at even that high, but in the 30-40mg day its pretty nice.
 
EasyEJL said:
yeah, its pretty much just like anything else, its the main ingredient in novedex-xt. it tends to being a bit stonger than 6-oxo, so 100mg a day is a big dose. most guys see libido issues at even that high, but in the 30-40mg day its pretty nice.
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so its a gyno killer at what dose ED?, 30-40mg i presume will be "normal dosing" standalone or "pct".
 
stxnas said:
You're welcome; sorry I didn't see the question sooner.
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its all good, hey while i have you here. I have a few AI questions.

I like life support, it seems to do its job;) personal reviews and reviews from my recommendations.

Should i recommend cycle support instead? I mean is it just a convienance factor of pills? I know its cost wise to do the powder.

Also, stoked and pcs, are they the same or what? application wise, what would be different about them.

I am really close to being an AI hugger, waiting on the pcs reviews, mine included.........
 
LOL @ AI hugger!

Life Support vs Cycle Support
There are two differences between Life Support and Cycle Support. The obvious difference is that Life Support consists of capsules and Cycle Support is a powder that mixes with your shakes.

The other difference is that a serving of Cycle Support is equal to two servings of Life Support. I like mixing the peanut butter Cycle Support with chocolate whey, so I prefer the powder. It's really your choice as long as you keep the dosing differences in mind.

POST Cycle Support vs STOKED!
Long Answer

People were getting confused about the applications of POST Cycle Support because its name implies that it is to be used during pct...which is true...BUT...it's a great fit for pct b/c it inherently has test boosting and estrogen regulating effects.

A lot of people were curious as to if POST Cycle Support could be used outside of pct due to these attractive characteristics. The answer is yes and to help avoid any confusion we came out with the same product under a different name. For these reasons you should see that Anabolic Innovations representatives will be suggesting POST Cycle Support for pct situations and STOKED! for situational usage outside of pct. In reality, the two products are interchangeable.

Yes, I know...it's still confusing, lol.

Short Answer
POST Cycle Support and STOKED! are THE EXACT SAME THING...other than the name and the color scheme, of course ;)
 
Glad to help, but sorry for the long answers...I have a tendency to be a little long winded.
 
We don't discuss products until the final product has been completed. We'd rather surprise you guys than have some production issues and then make you wait!

So what I'm saying is that you should check our forum regularly: Invalid Link Removed

I actually use the "Forum Tools" to subscribe to the forums in which I don't want to miss anything.
 
Just got done with PCS. Has worked well for my Havoc(pulse). Planning on running a straight cycle of P-PLEX at 30,30,40,40. I am going with 6oxo extreme for that. Tryin not to use a serm. I want to put together a strong OTC PCT.
 
partyman43 said:
Just got done with PCS. Has worked well for my Havoc(pulse). Planning on running a straight cycle of P-PLEX at 30,30,40,40. I am going with 6oxo extreme for that. Tryin not to use a serm. I want to put together a strong OTC PCT.
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This is my flagship PCT.........Not mine per say......... but i would use this stack for almost any cycle........ almost any.

PCS-1,1,2
AX-1,1,2
LX-1,1,1
ZMA- bedtime.

Its not cheap, but its off the hook.........If you wanted a stronger AI in there, gets some plain ol 6-oxo.
 
Keep an eye out for an ACT X STOKED! discount promo at Nutra Planet.

BTW if anyone asks where you heard this is was NOT from me :)

But seriously we are working on this and have faith it will come about.


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