Post Cycle Support Vs. 6-0x0 Extreme

which do you feel is more effective?

  • AI's Post Cycle Support

    Votes: 55 47.8%
  • Ergopharm's 6-0x0 EXTREME

    Votes: 60 52.2%

  • Total voters
    115
I've used both 6-OXO and PCS and while I didn't get bloodwork done, PCS had me actually feeling like I was normal enough to consider doing another cycyle after my 8 weeks off. I actually noticed my boys being fuller and an improved sense of well being. I never noticed anything using 6-OXO alone. I can't comment about 6-OXO Extreme because I have not used it. I personally prefer trying PCS again and this time adding 6-bromo.
 
My earlier remarks were in reference to a pulse cycle, where shutdown is (hopefully) minimal, and HPTA up-regulation should happen much quicker than 4 weeks. In fact, the way I'm pulsing (Superdrol, 3on/4off), I don't really feel shutdown at all -- the HPTA "bounceback" I'm getting on my 4 consecutive "off" days every week seems to have my boys revving higher than they have in years (I'm 46). I did experiment with running some 6oxoExtreme on my 4 off days early in the cycle (it made my piss brown, lol), but I decided it wasn't necessary -- I just wasn't shutting down.
So now I'm about to end my cycle, and I had planned on running a down-taper of 6oxoExtreme. But I'm not sure why. I don't seem to need it. I'll probably do it anyway, just to be prudent.
But the point is, if you run a smart pulse cycle, and succeed in minimizing HPTA shutdown, a simple all-in-one PCT product like 6oxoExtreme (properly down-tapered, for maybe 2 weeks) seems to be just the ticket. Am I missing something?

Just one thing to note here. I have seen several people run Pulsing cycles and say, "I don't feel shutdown", but those that have gotten bloodwork actually were. So the only positive way to tell if you are shutdown is to have blood work done. "feeling" shutdown and "being" shutdown are two totally different things.

You say a "smart" pulsing cycle as if this is the end all, be all of 17aa methyls. I lol'd. Get blood work done and post it up here so we can see if you are or are not shutdown ... I bet you are. :D
 
I've used both 6-OXO and PCS and while I didn't get bloodwork done, PCS had me actually feeling like I was normal enough to consider doing another cycyle after my 8 weeks off. I actually noticed my boys being fuller and an improved sense of well being. I never noticed anything using 6-OXO alone. I can't comment about 6-OXO Extreme because I have not used it. I personally prefer trying PCS again and this time adding 6-bromo.

6-bromo wouldn't be a good choice for PCT. It has the tendancy to suppress you and PCT is for unsuppressing your HPTA. If it was me I'd run the PCS and then 6-oxo after that tapered down ...
 
6-bromo wouldn't be a good choice for PCT. It has the tendancy to suppress you and PCT is for unsuppressing your HPTA. If it was me I'd run the PCS and then 6-oxo after that tapered down ...

I guess to each their own but low doses of 6-bromo really helped my libidio PCT.
 
6-bromo wouldn't be a good choice for PCT. It has the tendancy to suppress you and PCT is for unsuppressing your HPTA. If it was me I'd run the PCS and then 6-oxo after that tapered down ...

Can you point me to somewhere with blood tests showing 6-bromo suppresses people? I haven't seen any.
 
Can you point me to somewhere with blood tests showing 6-bromo suppresses people? I haven't seen any.

He might just be referring to the way people feel. He could be right, I haven't seen much evidence to show either way. Again everyone likes different things. Even if it did slightly suppress me, I would pay for a libido at that point lol. Man I hate PCT's, although these shorter oral PCT's are a breeze.
 
The only problem with 6-oxo Extreme as I see it is the 6-oxo itself. From the standpoint of recovery 6-oxo is going to be an AI. When you come off a cycle you will be suppressed and it will take at least 4 weeks before your body is back to producing it's own test in any quantity that is going to convert to estrogen so by suppressing estrogen early you may be setting yourself up for estrogen rebound later. The purpose of PCT is to get HPTA back to normal as quickly as possible. Once that happens then you can run 6-oxo at a tapered dose to control estrogen conversion.

I voted for PCS. BTW I am running a PCT cycle (PCS/SAMe/LX/6-oxo) from a Bold/P-Plex/Trena cycle over at bb dot com if anyone is interested. I am getting blood work done too.
that depends on the individual, if a guy doesn't get 100% suppression from a cycle(and that's more common with pro hormones than the opposite) 6-oxo is gonna do a wonderful work blocking estrogen and with that boost test , so I cant agree with you in that statement.
 
Can you point me to somewhere with blood tests showing 6-bromo suppresses people? I haven't seen any.

There is extensive writing on this by dinoii. Either way you go, it's under PCT a Clinician's view PCT Supplements in Practice. I recommend you read the whole thing (yes I know it's long) I am reading it through for the third time now and am starting really grasp a lot of the concepts he presents. I understand about 85% of the way the body works with these supplements now.

I am also logging a PCT with Post Cycle Support/SAMe/LX/6-oxo/I3C/ZMA at bb.com with blood tests. Feel free to follow along if you wish. It's in the supp logs section.
 
that depends on the individual, if a guy doesn't get 100% suppression from a cycle(and that's more common with pro hormones than the opposite) 6-oxo is gonna do a wonderful work blocking estrogen and with that boost test , so I cant agree with you in that statement.

And you have seen blood work to prove this? I have seen blood work on people that ran a 6 week pulse with epistane that were close to 100% suppressed ...
 
And you have seen blood work to prove this? I have seen blood work on people that ran a 6 week pulse with epistane that were close to 100% suppressed ...
I made a rpn havoc 20mg ed and bold 800mg ed for 5 weeks and I only lowered my test levels by 50%(before pct),and it still was in the normal range(I always do blood work after cycles), and for people that does mild cycles with compounds like bold, furazadrol, 11-oxo, etc I bet with you they will never be shutdown(for normal dosage and duration cycles of course).
the level of shutdown depends on the individual, there are guys that have very week results from orals( my case) and its difficult for them to be 100%suppressed and others that get suppressed very easily, you cant generalize this question...
 
Just one thing to note here. I have seen several people run Pulsing cycles and say, "I don't feel shutdown", but those that have gotten bloodwork actually were. So the only positive way to tell if you are shutdown is to have blood work done. "feeling" shutdown and "being" shutdown are two totally different things.

You say a "smart" pulsing cycle as if this is the end all, be all of 17aa methyls. I lol'd. Get blood work done and post it up here so we can see if you are or are not shutdown ... I bet you are. :D
That's a pretty brazen supposition on your part, and I hope you're wrong. In my own defense, I actually did get my testosterone level checked about 9 months ago, as my libido was in the tank, and I was experiencing some erectile dysfunction. (This was before I'd ever taken anything "hormonal.") My test measured in at 200-something -- definitely on the low end. But the doc wasn't overly concerned. He said it wasn't that low for my age (now 46), and he attributed it to the serious stress I was under at work, and in my relationship.
Fast-forward to today...
I ended all the stress in my relationship, by ending the relationship, lol. But my stress level at work is even higher than it was 9 months ago. (I need a new job.) And I'm now winding down my Superdrol pulse, and I'm having a hard time believing that I might be shut down. My nuts haven't shrunk at all, I'm having no ED issues whatsoever, and I'm way hornier than I was 9 months ago. If I am shut down, I highly recommend it, lol. (I suppose I may also be suffering from undiagnosed Gigantism, as I also display none of those symptoms.)
And if you're gonna lol at my silly attempt at "smart" cycling, at least allow me to re-explain my cycle, in case you didn't quite catch the subtle nuances of my particular protocol.
I flat-out don't believe in the standard every-other-day pulse cycles. I don't think the one day off between doses is enough to prevent shutdown -- I think it will still gradually occur. (In fact, as I have stated several times, I believe pulsing 20mg every other day will shut you down just as much as dosing 10mg every day in a straight cycle.) So my solution is to dose (and lift) on 3 consecutive days, followed by 4 consecutive days "off." My whole theory is that the 4 consecutive off days is sufficient time for recovery. In fact, I think the HPTA "bounceback" I'm getting on my off days is what's responsible for my greatly improved libido.
As I said earlier, I will use my 6oxoExtreme to ensure that my HPTA is up and running. But I honestly think it may not be necessary.
And this whole thing started with my desire that PCS include some type of AI -- in which case I probably would choose it over Ergo's product. I've always been a fan of your company, and I've used most of your products.
 
And this whole thing started with my desire that PCS include some type of AI -- in which case I probably would choose it over Ergo's product. I've always been a fan of your company, and I've used most of your products.
I agree with you...
 
I guess I would retort by saying that doing a cycle whether it is pulsed or not will shut yo down. In your case because you are taking 4 days off and 3 on it may be less apparent but the only way to know is by getting blood work done.

I am 42, nearly 43 and I just ended a Bold/P-Plex/Trena cycle. It was killer! i put on mass like crazy! I went to the doc and told him what i did and I threw in a few extras so he'd have a reason to give me blood work. I told him i experienced some testicular shrinkage, loss of libido and sore nipples. He wrote me the requisition as i was telling him this. He was actually really cool about it. he asked me all kinds of questions and said he was pretty impressed with my knowledge of the endocrine system and how it recovers.

I guess my point is that a "smart" cycle means that you researched the hell out of the compound you are going to take and you take the responsibility of going to the doc and getting bloodwork done so you a) know to what extent you are or are not shutdown and b) you are sure that you have recovered in a preplanned period of time. I cannot speak to the "smartness" of a pulsed cycle. It is still a cycle with a steroid and should be treated as such.

Have you guys read through dinoii's PCT papers? If not I highly suggest you take the time to read it and understand it and then you will know why it wouldn't be wise to add an AI into PCS ...

Good luck with your cycle and PCT and if you have any questions i'd be happy to answer them.

That's a pretty brazen supposition on your part, and I hope you're wrong. In my own defense, I actually did get my testosterone level checked about 9 months ago, as my libido was in the tank, and I was experiencing some erectile dysfunction. (This was before I'd ever taken anything "hormonal.") My test measured in at 200-something -- definitely on the low end. But the doc wasn't overly concerned. He said it wasn't that low for my age (now 46), and he attributed it to the serious stress I was under at work, and in my relationship.
Fast-forward to today...
I ended all the stress in my relationship, by ending the relationship, lol. But my stress level at work is even higher than it was 9 months ago. (I need a new job.) And I'm now winding down my Superdrol pulse, and I'm having a hard time believing that I might be shut down. My nuts haven't shrunk at all, I'm having no ED issues whatsoever, and I'm way hornier than I was 9 months ago. If I am shut down, I highly recommend it, lol. (I suppose I may also be suffering from undiagnosed Gigantism, as I also display none of those symptoms.)
And if you're gonna lol at my silly attempt at "smart" cycling, at least allow me to re-explain my cycle, in case you didn't quite catch the subtle nuances of my particular protocol.
I flat-out don't believe in the standard every-other-day pulse cycles. I don't think the one day off between doses is enough to prevent shutdown -- I think it will still gradually occur. (In fact, as I have stated several times, I believe pulsing 20mg every other day will shut you down just as much as dosing 10mg every day in a straight cycle.) So my solution is to dose (and lift) on 3 consecutive days, followed by 4 consecutive days "off." My whole theory is that the 4 consecutive off days is sufficient time for recovery. In fact, I think the HPTA "bounceback" I'm getting on my off days is what's responsible for my greatly improved libido.
As I said earlier, I will use my 6oxoExtreme to ensure that my HPTA is up and running. But I honestly think it may not be necessary.
And this whole thing started with my desire that PCS include some type of AI -- in which case I probably would choose it over Ergo's product. I've always been a fan of your company, and I've used most of your products.
 
I absolutely intend to get bloodwork done, but not for a month or two. I think immediately post-cycle bloodwork is kinda useless. Even if I'm not very "shutdown," I'm guessing my liver and lipid values might be pretty jacked. So I want to delay the bloodwork a little while, to give my liver and cholesterol a chance to recover. Then I'll get some bloodwork to confirm this, so I can have some peace of mind regarding my overall health.
And as far as Dr. Houser is concerned, I'm not a big fan. I can never seem to get a straight answer from the guy regarding his PCT suggestions. Basically, he seems to be very negative -- trashing everything anyone says, without any concrete recommendations of his own. And his writing "style" is simply awful. It seems like he's just trying to make himself look smart by using the biggest words he can find in his thesaurus. But he doesn't know how to piece the words together into a proper sentence with coherent thought. Even if he does know what he's talking about, he is completely ineffective at explaining it. He's a lousy communicator. But he does seem to have an eerily cult-like herd of reverent followers. I'm just not one of them. Yet, lol.
 
And as far as Dr. Hauser is concerned, I'm not a big fan. I can never seem to get a straight answer from the guy regarding his PCT suggestions.

well, from what i've read I think its his belief that each individual and each cycle is unique, so he doesn't want to lay out a one size fits all PCT. Depending on your starting values, what sort of compound(s) you used, how long you used them for, and what your end of cycle blood test values are all greatly affect what PCT should consist of. if your LH was previously normal but post cycle its low how you would PCT to help correct that is different than if it stayed near the same. Same with all the other hormonal values, FSH, DHEA, etc.
 
well, from what i've read I think its his belief that each individual and each cycle is unique, so he doesn't want to lay out a one size fits all PCT. Depending on your starting values, what sort of compound(s) you used, how long you used them for, and what your end of cycle blood test values are all greatly affect what PCT should consist of. if your LH was previously normal but post cycle its low how you would PCT to help correct that is different than if it stayed near the same. Same with all the other hormonal values, FSH, DHEA, etc.
OK, so he's trying to drum up more business for himself. If you pay him $1000 for office visits/tests/scripts, he'll help you recover from a $100 cycle? Can't he do any better than that? Just some general recommendations would be nice. Otherwise, why does he even bother frequenting these boards?
And I'm sorry dinoiii -- I really don't think you're the anti-christ or anything. I just haven't gotten anything useful from you over the years. In other words, I read your posts, but rarely seem to benefit much from them. Maybe I'm just a simple guy, looking for simple answers, in a complicated world, lol. :whiner:
 
Well, he does post a lot of general info, those writeups that dmangiarelli mentioned contain the general scoop on what things do. But since he's a doctor he doesn't like to recommend anything specific for anyone specific without knowing their situation - ie blood test.

On the other hand, his articles + research about OTC compounds are very handy, and he's not afraid to recommend specific things in that area, and not just MAN products :)
 
I haven't actually read those write-ups you guys are referring to. Maybe I should search them out. Knowledge is power.
 
OK, so he's trying to drum up more business for himself. If you pay him $1000 for office visits/tests/scripts, he'll help you recover from a $100 cycle? Can't he do any better than that?

Actually NOT ONCE have I sold services over the internet in this regard. The liability is too great.


Just some general recommendations would be nice. Otherwise, why does he even bother frequenting these boards?

You may be surprised but 16 years in the industry merely leaves this a hobby. I do "ok" for myself, don't you worry.

But, really, if you think I haven't given recommendations, you aren't as well-versed as you may think you are in my writing. I just have to be very wary in my position.


And I'm sorry dinoiii -- I really don't think you're the anti-christ or anything.

Phew, thank goodness. I was hoping I wasn't going to have to go for that defense.



I just haven't gotten anything useful from you over the years. In other words, I read your posts, but rarely seem to benefit much from them.

Fair enough, I don't chastize critique and I apologize you have seen well over 20,000 + pages of FREE information as unhelpful. You must have beat me to the research - especially the stuff that I have done in the lab; oh well, can't win em all no matter how hard you may try. ;)



Maybe I'm just a simple guy, looking for simple answers, in a complicated world, lol. :whiner:

Far too many people make the human body less complex, but it hardly translates into the beloved "real world," that justifies many the defense on bb message boards.

Nonetheless, I will continue doing what I'm doing though you may opt to look the other way.


D_
 
Nonetheless, I will continue doing what I'm doing though you may opt to look the other way.


D_

Howdy, stranger -- you need to visit more often.
BTW, I certainly don't "look the other way" when I encounter your contributions. I read absolutely everything I see you post. Which is probably a compliment of sorts. But this is really the only board I have time to frequent, and you rarely show up here. So I definitely haven't read 20,000 pages of your stuff. (Or any stuff -- I ain't big on the word readin, lol.)
And sorry I even brought you into this. It really had nothing to do with you. I just saw a couple posts suggesting we go research your views on PCT. So I kinda knee-jerk reacted by (honestly) saying that I never really could decipher what you liked for PCT. I guess I can accept your reluctance to be too specific, from a liability standpoint. (Is it a malpractice thing?)
And in all fairness, I have seen very specific recommendations from you regarding "support" supps. I stopped taking RYR on your recommendation. And I'm reasonably sure I got my current liver-protectant strategy from you (SAMe and NAC).
So I don't hate you. But as I said earlier, I just get frustrated when I try to understand your views on PCT.
[For example, you obviously read this thread; yet you only responded to the meaningless drivel about my personal opinion of you. You didn't offer any insight regarding the topic of this thread, or my very unique and controversial pulsing protocol. I know you have an opinion on the matter, yet you failed to share it. Come on, dinoiii -- I promise not to sue you...]
 
Nonetheless, I will continue doing what I'm doing though you may opt to look the other way.


D_
PS: It would be a mistake for you to "look the other way" regarding my innovative pulsing protocol (I call it "micro-cycling.") I am so pleased with the results and minimization of sides/shutdown (admittedly subjective) that I truly believe it will be the next "big thing" in PH/PS usage. I'm no doctor or chemist, just a smart guy who's been exercising for over 30 years. My next variation will be a 2on/5off attempt at the "perpetual" (or at least very longterm) cycle.
Contradictory opinions are always welcome...
 
Hey Easy -- it's gonna be something like this:

Mon: PH/PS, OTC-PCT, Test Booster, Support Supps, Lift
Tues: PH/PS, OTC-PCT, Test Booster, Support Supps, Lift
Wed: OTC-PCT, Test Booster, Support Supps
Thurs: OTC-PCT, Test Booster, Support Supps
Fri: No supps at all, Cardio, Abs
Sat: No supps at all
Sun: No supps at all, Cardio, Abs

When I'm ready to start it, I'll let you all know.
 
yeah, i'm definitely intrigued by that. I had even pondered the 1 day a week superdrol pulse myself. that would theoretically be easy to run 12 weeks with no issues at 30-40mg pulse day. I have enough original ax superdrol at this point to go more than a year like that :)
 
yeah, i'm definitely intrigued by that. I had even pondered the 1 day a week superdrol pulse myself. that would theoretically be easy to run 12 weeks with no issues at 30-40mg pulse day. I have enough original ax superdrol at this point to go more than a year like that :)
I bought 10 bottles of the OG Designer Supps Superdrol. I just used up 1 bottle. Do the math...
[=my poor liver]
 
Hey Easy -- it's gonna be something like this:

Mon: PH/PS, OTC-PCT, Test Booster, Support Supps, Lift
Tues: PH/PS, OTC-PCT, Test Booster, Support Supps, Lift
Wed: OTC-PCT, Test Booster, Support Supps
Thurs: OTC-PCT, Test Booster, Support Supps
Fri: No supps at all, Cardio, Abs
Sat: No supps at all
Sun: No supps at all, Cardio, Abs

When I'm ready to start it, I'll let you all know.

I am interested and maybe intrigued by your style but I don't see how two days a week will give you results. Just my opinion but don't you need a certain amount of the compound in your bloodstream to make gains? I think that's why at the minimum you'd do a 3 on 4 off. If you are going to do such a cycle why not just do a test/d-bol cycle for 20 weeks? You only inject once a week ...
 
Dinoii,

How is it that everytime I mention your name or post a link in a thread to your PCT articles, you show up? LOL! :D

I must have read yor PCT ACV 5 or 6 times now. I learn something new everytime I read it. I don't really need anyone to recommend me anything, I just need to understand the theory behind something and then I can put a PCT together.

What are your views on this pulsing method and shutdown? I doubt you will show back up in here but I am curious to hear it. I haven't seen but about three blood tests from people that pulsed and they were shutdown after 8 weeks. IMO it should be treated as any other cycle.

I do have to say though, a two on, five off may give you the time to recover but I think it will be at the expense of gains due to the halflife of the compound.


Actually NOT ONCE have I sold services over the internet in this regard. The liability is too great.




You may be surprised but 16 years in the industry merely leaves this a hobby. I do "ok" for myself, don't you worry.

But, really, if you think I haven't given recommendations, you aren't as well-versed as you may think you are in my writing. I just have to be very wary in my position.




Phew, thank goodness. I was hoping I wasn't going to have to go for that defense.





Fair enough, I don't chastize critique and I apologize you have seen well over 20,000 + pages of FREE information as unhelpful. You must have beat me to the research - especially the stuff that I have done in the lab; oh well, can't win em all no matter how hard you may try. ;)





Far too many people make the human body less complex, but it hardly translates into the beloved "real world," that justifies many the defense on bb message boards.

Nonetheless, I will continue doing what I'm doing though you may opt to look the other way.


D_
 
I am interested and maybe intrigued by your style but I don't see how two days a week will give you results. Just my opinion but don't you need a certain amount of the compound in your bloodstream to make gains? I think that's why at the minimum you'd do a 3 on 4 off. If you are going to do such a cycle why not just do a test/d-bol cycle for 20 weeks? You only inject once a week ...


when you look at it, superdrol has around a 6 hour halflife. So the 30mg taken in the morning is gone by bedtime either way. There really is no opportunity for buildup whether its 2 days a week or 4. So yes, the gains will be lower, but about every 40-60mg of superdrol is worth a lb of lean mass. so even just managing 1lb a week that way still adds up to a good bit over 3 months.
 
when you look at it, superdrol has around a 6 hour halflife. So the 30mg taken in the morning is gone by bedtime either way. There really is no opportunity for buildup whether its 2 days a week or 4. So yes, the gains will be lower, but about every 40-60mg of superdrol is worth a lb of lean mass. so even just managing 1lb a week that way still adds up to a good bit over 3 months.

So you'd be running SD at 40-60 mg's on WO days? :eek:
 
20-30 on 2 workout days as he was talking about comes to 40-60 for the week :)

On a 1 day a week, I could probably manage to tolerate 40. Its hard, the lethargy is pretty smackdown on that. One dose of 20 at 6am, second at 10am. 50 or 60 would hurt.
 
Some quick answers...
For the 2on/5off, I'd do 30-40mg Superdrol. (At 30mg, Superdrol causes me no lethargy. Interestingly, 10mg Super+10mg Phera does give me lethargy. Weird.) I don't know whether I'd make gains or not. But that's how experiments work. Even if it only turns out to be a "maintenance dose," that's OK -- I'm very pleased with my current physique.
Stay tuned...
 
I like 6-oxo as a stand-alone and I like PCS as a stand-alone. I used 6-oxo as PCT a long time ago for m4ohn and it seemed to work 'half-assed' for PCT. I thought it would work for a weaker compound like m4ohn, but I didn't come back too well, so I started liquid clomid which worked after a few days.
Post Cycle Support is an awesome product by itself. I doubled the dose and got results I'd expect from a mild PH. Sometimes it's not until you stop that you realize how much the product was doing for you.
If I were to use 6-oxo Extreme, I'd cycle it by itself and not as use for PCT.
 
Sometimes it's not until you stop that you realize how much the product was doing for you.


thats so true. MST's Cordygen5 was a perfect example. I bought a bottle, took it for a month, never really noticed anything specific, then stopped and suddenly noticed it. I guess endurance gains had slowly ramped up over the month but it was incremental and slow, so I didn't really it notice it day to day. 3 days after stopping and cardio sucked.
 
hmmm so I am goin to do a 4 week cyckle o h drol and my pct was goin to look like this:
nolva 20/10/10
6 bromo after week 3 25 mg
retain 2
but reading that it will shut me down preaty good the 6 bromo having second thougths what do u think?
 
hmmm so I am goin to do a 4 week cyckle o h drol and my pct was goin to look like this:
nolva 20/10/10
6 bromo after week 3 25 mg
retain 2
but reading that it will shut me down preaty good the 6 bromo having second thougths what do u think?
keep the nolva dosage and go with 6-oxo xt , or regular 6-oxo+pcs, instead of 6-br .
 
IMJ2X - just wanted to say I feel your pain. My job also is VERY HIGH STRESS. I have my test checked every 3 months and it bounces like a ball
 
would a really low dose of torem such as:
days 1-4: 90mg
days 5-7: 60mg
week 2: 30mg

+

AI-PCS (2 pills ED)

be a strong enough pct for a 50mg 4wk hdrol cycle?

(i still haven't decided if i need a AI or cort blocker...)
 
There is extensive writing on this by dinoii. Either way you go, it's under PCT a Clinician's view PCT Supplements in Practice. I recommend you read the whole thing (yes I know it's long) I am reading it through for the third time now and am starting really grasp a lot of the concepts he presents. I understand about 85% of the way the body works with these supplements now.

link to article?
 
Can't link it here...it's another forum and it's blocked. The link wouldn't work if posted.
 
okay i am looking at a PCS bottle right now........


IT states........

Lowers Estrogen, Increase Libido, Testosterone enhancer.......

Whats the dealio with the lowering estrogen, does it or doesnt it?

I have a friend that was going to do this:

4 weeks tren xtreme 90mg-ED
PCS-30 days- bottle directions
1 or 2 bottles 6-oxoX-60/4 caps-ED.

Test should be low, Estrogen will be high going into PCT.

will PCS help lower E or not? I dont want to kill the E, i just want to control it while test builds......... then come in with the 6-oxoX

I really do not believe research chems are needed for 4 weeks at this dosage.........
 
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