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My 20yo daughter who lives out of state has a desire for a diet aide fat loss supplement. She is a little thick on the bottom. She does not eat all that well but does know how to when she desires to. She wants to lose weight, needs to lose weight, but has been using some thing [name not to be mentioned] that is a kitchen sink approach. She also would not suffer from using something that would blunt appetite to a degree.

Now I know what I would give here considering she is a female, her body fat distribution, and the fact that I will not provide her with stimulant based [excessively] products that can be abused or addictive.

She is semi-athletic and use to compete on a many time NC regional championship cheer squad called Cheer Dynamics and she is presently a member of the Invalid Link Removed. She is also a nursing student.

[^^^jmh80 - eat your heart out!!!^^^]​

I have no interest in giving her something that is going to run $60 for a 30 days supply. Just is not going to happen. I would not use it myself with only very few exception.

I would probably at a minimum provide generous amounts GTE and low dosed Y-hcl, and Hoodia as it fits the bill well for her. The thing is I would never just by a an OTC product like that. I would buy bulk, powders, etc and make my own stacks with multiple capsules and the likes. This is not optimal for her and her discipline or lack there of.

So my challenge to the reps on this board is for you to sell me on an all in one OTC product that meets the criteria that I posted above.
 
Gotta Agree you have recreate in your sig line ;)


CROWLER
 
But, as I said above, cost effective.

@$38 - 90 caps / 4 = 22 days = $47.50 / month.

For me, sure. For her, her lifestyle, etc, not my first choice. Plus I can't support my habit and hers ;)

Your responses was the first thought that came to mind as I was typing that. But thanks for pointing out my obvious....[insert whatever that word is that is appropriate] :D
 
Since Nutra's EFA stack was out of stock last i checked I would probably get
4x 100 count CLA Nutra Caps
1x 100 count Green Tea Caps
1x 100 count Nutra Cissus caps.

The CLA will promote fat loss and aid in muscle growth at 8- caps per day. The GTE extract will help with Fat Loss as well through a different mechanism and give overall anti oxident benefits. And finally the cissus caps may help with appetite due to their effects on cortisol, plus being an athlete they may help keep her from noticing minor joint pain.
This will last 50 days and cost about 60 bucks.
 
I might ditch the CLA and just get ALA caps and Fish oil Caps. It just depends on personal preference I guess and the type of diet she follows.
 
I edited my opening post.

She is semi-athletic as opposed to being an athlete. She is naturally lazy and stays up too late and sleeps in too late. But when she desires she knows how to get moving as she does lots of stunting and dancing with the squad that she was on and now coaches. She is not a gym rat or as nutrition conscious as she should be but can be instructed and will follow if she so desires to.

The price range is open. I know very well that I could send her NP's GTE, Y and she would fair much better than what she was using.

I was just trying to have some fun with this. I told her I would send her something and I will.

Not to mention the fact that I diligently, enthusiastically, and loyally function as an Administrator/Moderator enforcing "retail and sponsor' rules and policies of posting on a message board of 20+ sponsors.

Throw me a bone guys!
 
B5150 said:
I edited my opening post.

She is semi-athletic as opposed to being an athlete. She is naturally lazy and stays up too late and sleeps in too late. But when she desires she knows how to get moving as she does lots of stunting and dancing with the squad that she was on and now coaches. She is not a gym rat or as nutrition conscious as she should be but can be instructed and will follow if she so desires to.

The price range is open. I know very well that I could send her NP's GTE, Y and she would fair much better than what she was using.

I was just trying to have some fun with this. I told her I would send her something and I will.

Not to mention the fact that I diligently, enthusiastically, and loyally function as an Administrator/Moderator enforcing "retail and sponsor' rules and policies of posting on a message board of 20+ sponsors.

Throw me a bone guys!
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Custom capsule?


I think GTE, Yhcl, Caffiene, and 5-HTP (if not on SSRI)

Sesamin perhaps and/or GTE + 2 caps Adrenalean each dose.
 
I would suggest Muscle Pharms Shred Matrix but it has some stimulants and the price is going to be close to Recreate anyways.
 
I just sent a message to Brad, the owner of Muscle Pharm to see if the pills in the individual packs are going to be decipherable like a lot of animal packs. If thats the case you can take out the stimulant pill and keep that for yourself for a little :dance: and what not. Good Luck
 
TheUnlikelyToad said:
Custom capsule?


I think GTE, Yhcl, Caffiene, and 5-HTP (if not on SSRI)

Sesamin perhaps and/or GTE + 2 caps Adrenalean each dose.
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Jordan, my brother. You do know I have a clue, right? :) Make no mistake, I do appreciate your help.

B5150 said:
I was just trying to have some fun with this. I told her I would send her something and I will.

Not to mention the fact that I diligently, enthusiastically, and loyally function as an Administrator/Moderator enforcing "retail and sponsor' rules and policies of posting on a message board of 20+ sponsors.

Throw me a bone guys!
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B5150 said:
Thanks for the suggestion p!

I'll look it and you up if I have any questions.
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If she'll give you feedback to give to me, Ill give you some Adrenalean for free. No cost, zero, nada, nothing. You get the point. This way she can adjust the dose as needed for the amount of stim. I dont like Yo so its not in there and I have EGCG in LX so its also not in there. I want the option to stack products for different results depending on the person but if you want something with great appetite suppression, with actual multiple pathways expressed for fatloss, Im your guy;).
 
Well, B, there are a lot of different options that come to mind. To be completely honest and open with you, my wife had a bit of a weight problem (as did I) after we graduated college. Life got in the way, things got too busy, and we suffered for it. Since then, she has dropped over 50lbs, including in the typical female problem areas, and has been in very good physical condition ever since. She used to be hypoglycemic, but no longer. She used to have BP issues, but no longer. And now that we're a month away from having our own little darling, the pregnancy has been nothing but picture-perfect, and she's only gained 30lbs of baby and related mass along the way.

What did she do? Easy - portion control and discipline. No, it's not a supplement, it's a plan. Just as we decrease our meals and eat more frequently, so did she. Using a smaller plate helps to control portions. Though her activity level had not really rose, it still made all the difference. It just might be something that, if she can put her mind to it, your daughter could put into practice as well. Atleast you know that there are plenty of us out here who are practical and "real" enough that we could coach her at any point of the way. :)

But if you must go the supplement route with her, I only have 2 suggestions that I recommend to women: A cortisol control agent, or possibly a light stimulant. For cortisol, from what I see right now on the market, Lean Xtreme from DS would be my choice. For a stimulant, and not to pimp too much to you, but StimX has sold extremely well to female users who do not show up on these boards. The current version isn't nearly as strong as the original. It lasts for quite some time, provides mental uplift, and has appetite suppression. For what it's worth, it may be worth a shot for her. (And if you are interested, I may be able to swing a few samples for you.)

At any rate, I wish you both the best of luck. I completely understand where you are coming from, and you're a good dad for doing so.
 
B5150 said:
My 20yo daughter who lives out of state has a desire for a diet aide fat loss supplement. She is a little thick on the bottom. She does not eat all that well but does know how to when she desires to. She wants to lose weight, needs to lose weight, but has been using some thing [name not to be mentioned] that is a kitchen sink approach. She also would not suffer from using something that would blunt appetite to a degree.

Now I know what I would give here considering she is a female, her body fat distribution, and the fact that I will not provide her with stimulant based [excessively] products that can be abused or addictive.

She is semi-athletic and use to compete on a many time NC regional championship cheer squad called Cheer Dynamics and she is presently a member of the Invalid Link Removed. She is also a nursing student.

[^^^jmh80 - eat your heart out!!!^^^]​

I have no interest in giving her something that is going to run $60 for a 30 days supply. Just is not going to happen. I would not use it myself with only very few exception.

I would probably at a minimum provide generous amounts GTE and low dosed Y-hcl, and Hoodia as it fits the bill well for her. The thing is I would never just by a an OTC product like that. I would buy bulk, powders, etc and make my own stacks with multiple capsules and the likes. This is not optimal for her and her discipline or lack there of.

So my challenge to the reps on this board is for you to sell me on an all in one OTC product that meets the criteria that I posted above.
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Anabolic Pump and do I really have to sell you on it?
 
timdull2 said:
Well, B, there are a lot of different options that come to mind. To be completely honest and open with you, my wife had a bit of a weight problem (as did I) after we graduated college. Life got in the way, things got too busy, and we suffered for it. Since then, she has dropped over 50lbs, including in the typical female problem areas, and has been in very good physical condition ever since. She used to be hypoglycemic, but no longer. She used to have BP issues, but no longer. And now that we're a month away from having our own little darling, the pregnancy has been nothing but picture-perfect, and she's only gained 30lbs of baby and related mass along the way.

What did she do? Easy - portion control and discipline. No, it's not a supplement, it's a plan. Just as we decrease our meals and eat more frequently, so did she. Using a smaller plate helps to control portions. Though her activity level had not really rose, it still made all the difference. It just might be something that, if she can put her mind to it, your daughter could put into practice as well. Atleast you know that there are plenty of us out here who are practical and "real" enough that we could coach her at any point of the way. :)
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You're preaching to the choir brother. Ultimately she is lazy, and practices poor eating disciplines at times, if you could even call it discipline, but she is motivated right now and so I am trying to strike while the iron is hot.
But if you must go the supplement route with her, I only have 2 suggestions that I recommend to women: A cortisol control agent, or possibly a light stimulant. For cortisol, from what I see right now on the market, Lean Xtreme from DS would be my choice. For a stimulant, and not to pimp too much to you, but StimX has sold extremely well to female users who do not show up on these boards. The current version isn't nearly as strong as the original. It lasts for quite some time, provides mental uplift, and has appetite suppression. For what it's worth, it may be worth a shot for her. (And if you are interested, I may be able to swing a few samples for you.)
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Very good suggestions. If something comes your way you can find me here. No expectations or obligation on either end.
At any rate, I wish you both the best of luck. I completely understand where you are coming from, and you're a good dad for doing so.
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Thank you, and thank you. :)
 
Designer Supps said:
If she'll give you feedback to give to me, Ill give you some Adrenalean for free. No cost, zero, nada, nothing. You get the point. This way she can adjust the dose as needed for the amount of stim. I dont like Yo so its not in there and I have EGCG in LX so its also not in there. I want the option to stack products for different results depending on the person but if you want something with great appetite suppression, with actual multiple pathways expressed for fatloss, Im your guy;).
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I know you from somewhere don't I? :D
 
Ok, im not a sponser but i cant bite my tounge any more!!! (or hold my fingers back)

DCP...?! She doesnt eat very well you say, so she needs something to handle to food choices.

B-Complex will also help this and is cheap at any drug store.

Raspberry Ketones(but youd have to capo and i read above)

ALRI Special Tactics? Not sure on price but its stim-free

Sorry but i had to step forward....
 
B5150 said:
My 20yo daughter who lives out of state has a desire for a diet aide fat loss supplement. She is a little thick on the bottom. She does not eat all that well but does know how to when she desires to. She wants to lose weight, needs to lose weight, but has been using some thing [name not to be mentioned] that is a kitchen sink approach. She also would not suffer from using something that would blunt appetite to a degree.

Now I know what I would give here considering she is a female, her body fat distribution, and the fact that I will not provide her with stimulant based [excessively] products that can be abused or addictive.

She is semi-athletic and use to compete on a many time NC regional championship cheer squad called Cheer Dynamics and she is presently a member of the Invalid Link Removed. She is also a nursing student.

[^^^jmh80 - eat your heart out!!!^^^]​

I have no interest in giving her something that is going to run $60 for a 30 days supply. Just is not going to happen. I would not use it myself with only very few exception.

I would probably at a minimum provide generous amounts GTE and low dosed Y-hcl, and Hoodia as it fits the bill well for her. The thing is I would never just by a an OTC product like that. I would buy bulk, powders, etc and make my own stacks with multiple capsules and the likes. This is not optimal for her and her discipline or lack there of.

So my challenge to the reps on this board is for you to sell me on an all in one OTC product that meets the criteria that I posted above.
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As far as cost effective and results...the Lipo AM & PM stack is pretty solid actually, Lipo-AM has caffeine anhydrous, but not a heavy load of it. As an addition...you could buy her some banaba extract pills or na-rala (for help with insulin management, carb digestion and consumption). Just keeping things simple for ya bud.

Cheers!:cheers:
 
pmiller383 said:
Since Nutra's EFA stack was out of stock last i checked I would probably get
4x 100 count CLA Nutra Caps
1x 100 count Green Tea Caps
1x 100 count Nutra Cissus caps.

The CLA will promote fat loss and aid in muscle growth at 8- caps per day. The GTE extract will help with Fat Loss as well through a different mechanism and give overall anti oxident benefits. And finally the cissus caps may help with appetite due to their effects on cortisol, plus being an athlete they may help keep her from noticing minor joint pain.
This will last 50 days and cost about 60 bucks.
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i like pmillers. and don't forget the yohimbine caps are buy one get one free.
 
Thanks MT and Sam.

This conclude my regularly scheduled programming, as I have to wake at 4:00AM for my 12+hr shift tomorrow!

Thanks all.

I will check in late in the morning or if insomnia sets in I'll be back...

BTW ...30mg tamazepam and 2g puredopa has been pretty solid for insomnia.

Good night and thanks all.

EDIT: Oh, and you too Hank! :D
 
B5150 said:
Thanks MT and Sam.

This conclude my regularly scheduled programming, as I have to wake at 4:00AM for my 12+hr shift tomorrow!

Thanks all.

I will check in late in the morning or if insomnia sets in I'll be back...

BTW ...30mg tamazepam and 2g puredopa has been pretty solid for insomnia.

Good night and thanks all.

EDIT: Oh, and you too Hank! :D
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need picture of said daughter to properly evaluate :toofunny:
Kidding!!!

Lean xtreme at 2 a day, a bottle will last her 45 days. has forskolin, green tea, and cortisol control, and has worked well for me before
 
Personally, I would take Sledge up on his offer... very mild stim experience, elevation in mood, and appetite supression.

This is why I had plans to get in on tha NP deal as mentioned in my log, come to find they are now sold out!


But wait... you mean some White Cross circa '00 won't do? :p
 
B5150 said:
My 20yo daughter who lives out of state has a desire for a diet aide fat loss supplement. She is a little thick on the bottom. She does not eat all that well but does know how to when she desires to. She wants to lose weight, needs to lose weight, but has been using some thing [name not to be mentioned] that is a kitchen sink approach. She also would not suffer from using something that would blunt appetite to a degree.

Now I know what I would give here considering she is a female, her body fat distribution, and the fact that I will not provide her with stimulant based [excessively] products that can be abused or addictive.

She is semi-athletic and use to compete on a many time NC regional championship cheer squad called Cheer Dynamics and she is presently a member of the Invalid Link Removed. She is also a nursing student.

[^^^jmh80 - eat your heart out!!!^^^]​

I have no interest in giving her something that is going to run $60 for a 30 days supply. Just is not going to happen. I would not use it myself with only very few exception.

I would probably at a minimum provide generous amounts GTE and low dosed Y-hcl, and Hoodia as it fits the bill well for her. The thing is I would never just by a an OTC product like that. I would buy bulk, powders, etc and make my own stacks with multiple capsules and the likes. This is not optimal for her and her discipline or lack there of.

So my challenge to the reps on this board is for you to sell me on an all in one OTC product that meets the criteria that I posted above.
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LMAO!

Just saw this. Let me read it again tomorrow and I can respond.
 
Brian I totally think she should check out Leviathan Reloaded, as the first thing I noticed from it is a huge decrease in appetite....and the yohimb hCL in it adds a nice taper effect without a crash.

Just saying because I always take it, so i'm familiar with how it effects me.

~Dan
 
B,
3 ideas: RK's, TTA, cort. inhibitor.

I would say go with SNS' raspberry ketones if you want an already capped RK version. I've got a bottle - stuff will last for a really long time.

I'm thinking of perhaps a TTA based supp at a lower dose. I know of a place that has LipidFX for 10 bucks. (Just bought 2 bottles myself.)
Can't beat that. A 2 month stack would be pretty good, IMO, and not provide too much TTA intake.

Other thing I'm thinking is a cortisol inhibitor.

I made a bEAT transdermal for my Mom a while back that worked great. She lost about 6 or 7 lbs in 1.5 months with no real changes in diet (some more cardio because gas forced her to start biking to work).

It didn't cost all that much. Sadly though I can't find bEAT powder any longer.

You could go with Relora. NOW's version is pretty cheap. The only issue may be withdrawl honestly. I've not had an issue coming off Relora.
Or PS - but that can be expensive. Custom had the best price last time I looked for bulk powder.
Of course - there is always Relacore. I know Sam's has 2 bottles for like $40. I've seen them for a bit cheaper on Ebay.
 
jmh, we are def. on the same page with this.
I also agree with Trip though, if you go stim based go LeviR, stuff is great, easly adjust dosing.

the only thing with a cort control is that, if she doesnt sleep enough, doesnt eat right, is very busy, kind of drama life the bad would out weigh the supplement. Also, i only think cort control supps are worth it at lower BF, and i am unsure of where she sits.
 
TripDog said:
Brian I totally think she should check out Leviathan Reloaded, as the first thing I noticed from it is a huge decrease in appetite....and the yohimb hCL in it adds a nice taper effect without a crash.

Just saying because I always take it, so i'm familiar with how it effects me.

~Dan
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Thanks Dan!

Invalid Link Removed :D
 
jmh80 said:
B,
3 ideas: RK's, TTA, cort. inhibitor.

I would say go with SNS' raspberry ketones if you want an already capped RK version. I've got a bottle - stuff will last for a really long time.

I'm thinking of perhaps a TTA based supp at a lower dose. I know of a place that has LipidFX for 10 bucks. (Just bought 2 bottles myself.)
Can't beat that. A 2 month stack would be pretty good, IMO, and not provide too much TTA intake.

Other thing I'm thinking is a cortisol inhibitor.

I made a bEAT transdermal for my Mom a while back that worked great. She lost about 6 or 7 lbs in 1.5 months with no real changes in diet (some more cardio because gas forced her to start biking to work).

It didn't cost all that much. Sadly though I can't find bEAT powder any longer.

You could go with Relora. NOW's version is pretty cheap. The only issue may be withdrawl honestly. I've not had an issue coming off Relora.
Or PS - but that can be expensive. Custom had the best price last time I looked for bulk powder.
Of course - there is always Relacore. I know Sam's has 2 bottles for like $40. I've seen them for a bit cheaper on Ebay.
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Thanks. I'm exploring possibilities.
 
Well of course DCP is a good one. She does not need as good a grip on diet on it. And I like Reloaded for a stim if the stim effect is desired.
 
B5150 said:
Thanks Dan!

Invalid Link Removed :D
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:twisted: What are the odds the yankees will get swept the same day Dennis Wolf wins the O. :)
 
TripDog said:
:twisted: What are the odds the yankees will get swept the same day Dennis Wolf wins the O. :)
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I don't follow professional bodybuilding.

Those games could just be personal rivalry matches as far as we know now. Who knows what the AL East will look like at that time. Those are the last scheduled games of the season. Both of us may be out of it because of the O's or the Rays. Very unlikley, but possible. :)

The question is, are you going to be at the 'O' or not because your brother is going to need all the love he can get if he is going to be watching any of those games with me :hammer: :D

I'd love to meet up with you as well man.
 
B5150 said:
I don't follow professional bodybuilding.

Those games could just be personal rivalry matches as far as we know now. Who knows what the AL East will look like at that time. Those are the last scheduled games of the season. Both of us may be out of it because of the O's or the Rays. Very unlikley, but possible. :)

The question is, are you going to be at the 'O' or not because your brother is going to need all the love he can get if he is going to be watching any of those games with me :hammer: :D

I'd love to meet up with you as well man.
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I hope I get there :hammer:.....cant say 100% because may be moving back to FL around that time....and I tend to see money tied up.
 
Thank you all for the suggestions. I know that there are many products mentioned that will work well. I have chosen to go the route of Designer Supps Adrenalean and Lean Extreme.

I was a beta tester for the original Superdrol and have an inherent trust and appreciation for all that is Designer Supps and most in particular Matt Cahill. This is not to belittle or suggest anything regarding the integrity of the other sponsors or products. I have known Matt for a long time and feel a sense of appreciation and loyalty to him and Designer Supps.

I will be posting a log shortly, in hopes of posting up feedback. I do not anticipate this being a traditional journal as it will be posted up second hand and may be limited in details, but none the less it will be with the intent to communicate my daughters experience using these products. Quite honestly she had better busy working and studying and keeping herself committed to her life goals to be too busy to keep a very detailed journal. I will post this up ASAP.

Thanks!
 
Me too. She is way to young to allow herself to be less fit than she should be.

I must also emphasise that this choice does not exclude other very good company products for future consideration.

My hope is that this will be a spring board for her to get more real with herself regarding lifestyle issues. She lives in NC and they love their sweet tea.
 
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