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Thanks for the input hman 85. Do you think its better to take retain only on off days or everyday. Same with the hyperdrol.
I am currently pulsing Havoc MWF - wk1 10/20/30 wk2-wk6 40/40/40 and only sides I noticed is acne and back pumps for this whole duration...sounds real long but that is my opinion. I am on my second superdrol cycle(pulses) and feel that your gains stop after 4-5 weeks. I did the first one 61/2 weeks and believed it was too long i am going to go for 20/30/30/30
xtyler--If you're still apprehensive to use these unknown tren compounds, you could just send them to me for "proper disposal"! Seriously, make me a price on them if you like. PM me please!I have to admit it: I've run A LOT of DS cycles,but I still haven't touched those bottles since I've purchased them in2006!!! It still looks a little misterious to me.I don't feel so comfortable with something I cannot understand deeply.GENERIC LABZ reps? It's time to talk OPENLY and FRANKLY about that compound as you don't sell it anymore!PLEASE...
You are absolutely right. I pulse 50mg of SD when I am stacking it. I try to aim for what would be a med-low weekly dose and just split that up onto just two days.I still think a lot of people are dosing too low to get the max benefits of pulsing methods. I see people saying they're gonna use superdrol for instance. Week 1: 20 mg. pre-workout. Weeks 2-4: 30 mg. PWO. then weeks 5-8: 40 mg. PWO. Hell, I take 30 or 40 mg. on ED straight cycles! If pulsing I think I would go like this---Week 1: 30 mg. super PWO. Week 2: 40 mg. super PWO. Weeks 3-8: 50 or even 60mg. PWO! You gotta pulse high then take your day off. Am I right on this one?
You will still get some benefits from it on off days, but maybe not as much. cardio seems to be a non issue just do it when you can. As for changing your schedule you can or maybe just take it on days you need for a lagging body part.Question. While pulsing 3 days a week (mwf) will my non pulse days (tt) lifts not be as great as the pulse days? For this reason I am going to not do legs on tuesday and on wednesday when the stuffs in my system. Or am I being paranoid? And as for cardio, is it best to do it on the pulse day or off. My cardio I do 30min @ 160bpm.
It is a good idea.Hi, I'm new to this thread, but I've read a few pages and haven't found an answer to this...Should you take a test booster like 6-oxo on off days while pulsing? Thanks
Ya I dont need my bis and shoulders blowing up and my legs not so much, so the switch is a good thing then. ThanksYou will still get some benefits from it on off days, but maybe not as much. cardio seems to be a non issue just do it when you can. As for changing your schedule you can or maybe just take it on days you need for a lagging body part.
50mg! Your crazy. Im just doing 20mg a day (10 pre 10 post) for 8 weeks. If by popular demand "more is better", 30 can be possilbe, but I wouldnt dare to go above that.I still think a lot of people are dosing too low to get the max benefits of pulsing methods. I see people saying they're gonna use superdrol for instance. Week 1: 20 mg. pre-workout. Weeks 2-4: 30 mg. PWO. then weeks 5-8: 40 mg. PWO. Hell, I take 30 or 40 mg. on ED straight cycles! If pulsing I think I would go like this---Week 1: 30 mg. super PWO. Week 2: 40 mg. super PWO. Weeks 3-8: 50 or even 60mg. PWO! You gotta pulse high then take your day off. Am I right on this one?
dude, less is more, use the least amount you can possibly use to get the desired results.50mg! Your crazy. Im just doing 20mg a day (10 pre 10 post) for 8 weeks. If by popular demand "more is better", 30 can be possilbe, but I wouldnt dare to go above that.
If I'm crazy then answer me this question. If you were to take the superdrol everyday(Non-pulse) at 20 mg. per day, in a week you would take 140 mg. Right? You with me so far? The idea of pulsing is to use higher than normal dosages only on workout days 3 days a week. If I take 50 mg. PWO 3 days a week then that's a total of 150 mg. per week. This is the idea behind the pulsing method. But you guys probably know more than me! So enjoy your small doses!50mg! Your crazy. Im just doing 20mg a day (10 pre 10 post) for 8 weeks. If by popular demand "more is better", 30 can be possilbe, but I wouldnt dare to go above that.
But at 50mg 3 days a week, due to the half life of the chemical (lets guess 7 hours on avg), that size of a dose will never clear the body, even on Sunday (following typical MWF pulse) you will have measurable bloodlevels of the chemical. 7 days a week your liver will be working to clean out the body, and the HPTA will be affected negatively. My opinion is that if one is to pulse too high of a dose then it will negate the 'benefits' of this method due to the body never clearing the chemical on off days, thereby receiving no time to repair / restart.If I'm crazy then answer me this question. If you were to take the superdrol everyday(Non-pulse) at 20 mg. per day, in a week you would take 140 mg. Right? You with me so far? The idea of pulsing is to use higher than normal dosages only on workout days 3 days a week. If I take 50 mg. PWO 3 days a week then that's a total of 150 mg. per week. This is the idea behind the pulsing method. But you guys probably know more than me! So enjoy your small doses!
:goodpost:If I'm crazy then answer me this question. If you were to take the superdrol everyday(Non-pulse) at 20 mg. per day, in a week you would take 140 mg. Right? You with me so far? The idea of pulsing is to use higher than normal dosages only on workout days 3 days a week. If I take 50 mg. PWO 3 days a week then that's a total of 150 mg. per week. This is the idea behind the pulsing method. But you guys probably know more than me! So enjoy your small doses!
To both "dudes" above, I've used 30 mg. per day through a straight cycle taking it everyday plus 10 mg. of Phera-plex. I can't see how you guys are getting anything out of 20 mg. pulsed only on workout days. I'm 6'3" and 270 pounds, so I need a little more "juice" to get the resulsts I'm looking for. But to each their own. I don't pay out good money for PH's just to waste them because I'm scared to dose it high enough. If I decide to pulse (And I probably won't, don't like the idea of fluctuating hormone levels everyday) I would go up to 50 mg. 3 days a week PWO! But, Like I said, That's just me!
I should have used a different word since even at 20mg 3 days a week there is a measureable level throughout a pulse.What do you consider "measureable" levels?
Thats interesting..I missed that part of the thread...will go back to find it.I am trying a 1x week pulse as discussed earlier in the thread. Went to 70mg, which is not quite twice what I'd take on a straight cycle. I take it on the day that matters most to me, and have been getting decent gains. I take a low dose AI the other 6 days. I do not feel shut down in the slightest. Gains are mild, noticeable after a few weeks. I feel much better.
That makes sense...I think i have a formula error in my spreadsheet...lemme fix that.I thought superdrol had a 1/2 life of about 6 hours.
If you take 80mg (!!!) then 48 hours later you should have 0.3125mg of it going through your body.
If the half life is 7 hours, 80mg nets you 0.625mg 49 hours after ingestion.
I chose 80mg because it's a safe bet nobody will run a higher pulse than that; at least I wouldn't.
Im of the opinion 20 post would be more beneficial since growth happens after the gym. I'd want the longest anabolic window to be in my post workout phase.Very interesting. IM 230lbs, so maybe after 2 weeks Ill bump it to 30mg. Now would I take 20mg pre workout or 20 post?
I would go with doctor d on this one and go 20 pre,(about 1 hour or 1 1/2 hour before workout) he says it is best to always take the larger part preworkout. You could do something like 1 in morning 1 preworkout and 1 after but you will probably get shutdown easier. i personally never had aproblem with getting shutdown but everyone is different. I would go with 20 pre and 10 post.Very interesting. IM 230lbs, so maybe after 2 weeks Ill bump it to 30mg. Now would I take 20mg pre workout or 20 post?
Thats the whole idea! m/w/f is best but don't use it 3 days in a row.Hey I know this was mentioned earlier, but has anyone gotten good results from 3days on pulse while working out those 3 days and then 4 days off, no workout, no PH...Just curious, Thanks.
I'm still not pretending to know all about pulsing. But I would take the larger dose PWO. I'd take the 20 mg. PWO and the 10 mg, post workoout! But, that's from the information I've gleaned from here and Dr. D who got this thread going. 40 or 50 mg. 3 days per week is not outrageous nor un-doable!Very interesting. IM 230lbs, so maybe after 2 weeks Ill bump it to 30mg. Now would I take 20mg pre workout or 20 post?
Glad to see that I'm not "crazy' like those other guys said. I just want to get the most out of my supps. Placebo doesn't do it for me!That makes sense...I think i have a formula error in my spreadsheet...lemme fix that.
Edit - TO ALL : MY MATH IS FLAWED....:think::think:
I see nothing wrong with a 50mg pulse based on my 'new math'
Sorry :thumbsup:
What do you mean sources? I pioneered this method myself! Back in the late 80's there was no such thing as post cycle therapy. You had to be smart to keep your balls and your gains back then. It wasn't as easy as it is now. Like I did reference in the post though, this method is derived from corticosteroid pulsing techniques used in kids and that's an easy search away. If you do decide to try it, this is what I have found works with greatest efficiency.
You may have gotten that idea from me. As far as I know, I haven't convinced anyone else to try it. But I'm telling you, it's the best pulsing protocol. It actually does what pulsing is supposed to do -- prevent shutdown. I do not believe in "normal" EOD pulsing. The one day off is not enough to maintain HPTA. You will gradually shutdown. In fact, I think pulsing 20mg EOD will shut you down just as much as straight cycling 10mg ED. I've been "micro-cycle" pulsing Superdrol for almost 4 months (that's right) at 20-30mg; I've gained over 20 lbs (that's right too), and I don't think I'm shutdown -- my nuts haven't shrunk, and I'm actually hornier than normal, for my 46yo self. I attribute this to what Dr.D (whatever happened to him?) calls the HPTA "bounceback" that occurs on my 4 off days each week. I also dialed back to low-dose (10mg) 2on/5off for a couple weeks in the middle, to really give my HPTA/liver/lipids/prostate, etc a nice little break. And I've been using various natty test boosters on my off days (as well as very thorough support supps). I basically feel like I don't need any PCT at all, but I'm gonna use some 6oxoExtreme (light AI/SERM combo) just to make sure. I will use a more traditional SERM if it seems necessary (or if gyno rears it's ugly head), but I don't see how that's possible -- I really don't think I'm shutdown. And before you guys go off about the 4 month thing, understand that I've only gone through one bottle of Superdrol in this time. (Other guys might use up a bottle in 6 weeks.) So it's been more of a slow, steady cycle. If you're gonna use up a bottle of Superdrol, it's safer/healthier to spread it out over 4 months than to use it all in 6 weeks.Hey I know this was mentioned earlier, but has anyone gotten good results from 3days on pulse while working out those 3 days and then 4 days off, no workout, no PH...Just curious, Thanks.
That sounds interesting... maybe a decent idea... have you thought of getting bloodwork done to see what your levels look like? I'd also be curious to see the resulsts of a hepatic function panel...You may have gotten that idea from me. As far as I know, I haven't convinced anyone else to try it. But I'm telling you, it's the best pulsing protocol. It actually does what pulsing is supposed to do -- prevent shutdown. I do not believe in "normal" EOD pulsing. The one day off is not enough to maintain HPTA. You will gradually shutdown. In fact, I think pulsing 20mg EOD will shut you down just as much as straight cycling 10mg ED. I've been "micro-cycle" pulsing Superdrol for almost 4 months (that's right) at 20-30mg; I've gained over 20 lbs (that's right too), and I don't think I'm shutdown -- my nuts haven't shrunk, and I'm actually hornier than normal, for my 46yo self. I attribute this to what Dr.D (whatever happened to him?) calls the HPTA "bounceback" that occurs on my 4 off days each week. I also dialed back to low-dose (10mg) 2on/5off for a couple weeks in the middle, to really give my HPTA/liver/lipids/prostate, etc a nice little break. And I've been using various natty test boosters on my off days (as well as very thorough support supps). I basically feel like I don't need any post cycle therapy at all, but I'm gonna use some 6oxoExtreme (light AI/SERM combo) just to make sure. I will use a more traditional SERM if it seems necessary (or if gyno rears it's ugly head), but I don't see how that's possible -- I really don't think I'm shutdown. And before you guys go off about the 4 month thing, understand that I've only gone through one bottle of Superdrol in this time. (Other guys might use up a bottle in 6 weeks.) So it's been more of a slow, steady cycle. If you're gonna use up a bottle of Superdrol, it's safer/healthier to spread it out over 4 months than to use it all in 6 weeks.
In fact, I'm starting to believe it really is possible to design the holy grail of cycling: the perpetual (never-ending) cycle. I'd use something like 6oxoExtreme (or AI's PCS, or PP's Sustain Alpha) 4 days in a row, with your PH/anabolic steroids on the first 2 of those days. Support supps on all 4 days; total-body resistance training on the 2 "on" days (I already have a good workout routine for this); then 3 days without any supps whatsoever (except maybe your multi). This routine also gives you plenty of opportunity to get in 2-3 days of cardio/abs. I think maybe you could run this "cycle" forever, without any PCT, and safely/gradually put on LBM. Maybe. ???????????????
I'm afraid to see my current liver and lipid values, so I'm not gonna get bloodwork for awhile, lol. Actually, I don't quite understand the fascination with pre-P.C.T. bloodwork. If you've been on Superdrol, your numbers are gonna be whack. Period. I will wait until a couple "clean" months after PCT to get bloodwork done. It's the longterm probs that are most worrisome. Hopefully, I'll be A-OK at that point.That sounds interesting... maybe a decent idea... have you thought of getting bloodwork done to see what your levels look like? I'd also be curious to see the resulsts of a hepatic function panel...
I actually just picked up some Phera today, and I'm about to break another of the cardinal rules of cycling, by stacking the Phera with my Superdrol (2 methyls, uh-oh) for the last 3 weeks of my "micro-cycle" pulse, in the hopes of gaining even a little more size. I'm still only gonna be taking 20-30mg of methyls/day, but it's gonna be split between 2 dif methyls, instead of all 1 methyl. I don't see what the big deal is.OK, so I have a question about pulsing P-Plex... is it not fast acting enough to do a pulse or would it be fine?
Hey easy do think one bottle of hdrol would be enough for a first time run of hdrol(not a pulse).I think you would benefit most from buying another bottle and running a full cycle. Halo isn't exactly worlds best pulser, it has too long a half life for one thing
:thumbsup: I've been trying to find some info on that for a while now. Good stuff.so far, no one has seen a ton of success with a halo clone pulse, but not a lot have tried it. the issue is that oral turinabol has a 16+ hour half life, and halo is considered "related" to OT, and likely has a long halflife as well. so it may be that it never quite completely clears your system, somewhat negating the purpose of a pulse.
Nobody knows for sure on that though, as there are no real studies on it for halodrol.