Hexarelin + GRHP-6

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Just ordered a nice load of peptides including-

10mg Hexarelin
10mg Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide-6 (GHRP-6)
1mg IGF-1 Long Arg 3
4mg PEGylated Mechano Growth Factor

I've been having a hard time finding good info on the effects, dosage, and different uses for these peptides.

If anyone has good info and/or links to supply, I would like to dedicate this thread to research on the different aspects of these peptides
 
I've been having a hard time finding good info on the effects, dosage, and different uses for these peptides.
Hate to be an ass but there is a ass load of info on all those especially lgf1 and pegmgf. Did you not read the stickies? How can you buy something without knowing what it does or how to use it? You gotta help yourself before you can expect help from others. I dont even think ill be using any of that stuff for quite some time but i know all about every one of those and i got the info from this forum without making a post
 
Just ordered a nice load of peptides including-

10mg Hexarelin
10mg Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide-6 (GHRP-6)
1mg IGF-1 Long Arg 3
4mg PEGylated Mechano Growth Factor

I've been having a hard time finding good info on the effects, dosage, and different uses for these peptides.

If anyone has good info and/or links to supply, I would like to dedicate this thread to research on the different aspects of these peptides

haha looks similar to my order earlier this month.....dam i love peptides
 
I know there is alot of info out there and have read quite a bit of it, I just looking for more sources and feed back on these.
 
Hate to be an ass but there is a ass load of info on all those especially lgf1 and pegmgf. Did you not read the stickies? How can you buy something without knowing what it does or how to use it? You gotta help yourself before you can expect help from others. I dont even think ill be using any of that stuff for quite some time but i know all about every one of those and i got the info from this forum without making a post

you show me a good source of clean info on hexa and GHRP and i'll sell you my sister (she's hot too)
 
you show me a good source of clean info on hexa and GHRP and i'll sell you my sister (she's hot too)

Tell her I said hi...:stick:

:blink:wait.......Did you just say you think your sister's hot?? A southern state I'm guessing.


:lol: just playin bro
 
even better..... Montana bro. sisters are like bicycles there...nobody cares who rides your's and everyone shares...hahaha....:drunk:
 
even better..... Montana bro. sisters are like bicycles there...nobody cares who rides your's and everyone shares...hahaha....:drunk:

:toofunny: aaahahahah thats good to know.
 
I have heard they work great together, I believe I have heard something along the lines of 200mcg of hex in the morning and 400-500mcg of ghrp-6 at night due to lethargy.
 
I have heard they work great together, I believe I have heard something along the lines of 200mcg of hex in the morning and 400-500mcg of ghrp-6 at night due to lethargy.

I feel it's better to do it the other way around, linked to increased ghrelin production. (Personally, I find it hard to get a full night of sleep with ghrp6 still in you, and appetite increase).
 
Agreed. There are several ways you could run these peptides.

I think the MOST effective method would be the SHORTEST b/c of the dosages required:

WK 1-2.5: 300mics of PEGmgf injected IM bi-lat 2 hours BEFORE WO into muscle group to be worked --> 3x per week

WK 2.5-9: 50mics of igf IM bi-lat, ASAP after WO into 1 muscle group just worked (i.e. bi's or tri's or pecs, etc), 3x per week MAX!!

WK 4-6: 250mics of ghrp 6 in the AM on empty stomach/250mics BEFORE dinner on empty stomach --> EVERY DAY, SubQ

WKS 5-7: 333mics (1/3mg) of Hexarelin every evening before bed (daily) ED, SubQ

WKS 10-11: 333mics PEGmgf (1/3mg) IM bi-lat 2 hours PREWO, into muscle group to be worked, 3x per week.



That in my fairly extensive peptide opinion and experience, should be a fairly decent cycle and this serves to provide sufficient dosages to be effective while stretching the amts out to be economical (i.e. most bang for your buck).

Good luck and please post a log!!

bb
 
I noticed a decreased effect (receptor saturation?) on the hex after 10 days straight. I found 5/2 to be a better protocol to follow for hex. I had good results with Hex/GHRP-6 for 4 weeks (5/2, GHRP in the AM and Hex before bed) and then 8 weeks of cjc (biweekly).
 
I noticed a decreased effect (receptor saturation?) on the hex after 10 days straight. I found 5/2 to be a better protocol to follow for hex. I had good results with Hex/GHRP-6 for 4 weeks (5/2, GHRP in the AM and Hex before bed) and then 8 weeks of cjc (biweekly).

Exactly, except for cjc which I go about differently.
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems like since most of our naturual GH production/release occurs when we are sleeping it seems that injecting GHRP early in the morning so that it clears your system by night would cause the least suppression ?
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems like since most of our naturual GH production/release occurs when we are sleeping it seems that injecting GHRP early in the morning so that it clears your system by night would cause the least suppression ?


"My" "theory" goes like this:

Cjc/hexa/ghrp6 are secretagogues, so they won't suppress your hgh production, they will "only" boost it, on the other hand injecting secret. in the morning might disrupt your natural cycle, and with my sleeping pattern completly off (I sleep from 5am to 4pm, I am in college, no graveyard shift), I don't feel like throwing it even more off by injecting secret. at another time.

Also, injecting a secretagoge in the morning will increase your hgh early in the day, while your natural nocturnal hgh won't increase that much. So, I'd rather do nighttime inject. It's a different story with cjc, which is active for a few days, but I still prefer to do nighttime inject.

Thing is, there isn't even a concensus on hgh supplementation, some do multiple injections, other am, and some pm ...


What's "your" idea?
 
just seemed like having elevated GH levels at night from GHRP injections when your body is trying to produce its own would cause more suppression since i'm sure there is a pathway that your body uses to adjust your GH levels, and it will see you already have a bunch in your body and thereby not make its own. the idea was that you would take it in the morning, when your body isn't making much naturual GH anyway, then in the evening when your body would go about its normal GH release process there would be no "extra" GH in your body from the GHRP since everything the GHRP produced would have already cleared, so your body would go about its natural nightly GH release as normal and uninterupted. keep in mind i am super newb at these growth factors so just thinking out loud
 
Im also a new guy to these things, but i have been tryin to read as much as i possibly can the past few days on GHRP-6 as thats what really interest me right now.
So in saying that, i dont think that GHRP replaces the GH hormone but it upregulates the realease. I am not sure how much can be "added" or how much it can be upregulated. I was not sure about if it actually supressesthe release casue if i recal correctly/read correctly, GHRP-6 often along side Hex is used in GH cycle "PCT."
I expected to be corrected a few times or more ot be explained...open ears and mind here.
 
yeah, the way i understand it too is the the GHRP makes your body release more of its own GH, much like HCG and testosterone. but it seems like your body has a similar pathway that it uses to tell it to make more GH, like LH and test in the body, and it seems like if you are chemically telling your body to make GH then it wont need to make whatever that little chemical/hormone signal for your body to make GH is.

anyone know how long you can store GHRP? i know its good for a month or so once its been reconstituted but wondering how long it would last if i just threw it in the fridge and didn't reconsitute it?
 
"My" "theory" goes like this:

Cjc/hexa/ghrp6 are secretagogues, so they won't suppress your hgh production, they will "only" boost it, on the other hand injecting secret. in the morning might disrupt your natural cycle, and with my sleeping pattern completly off (I sleep from 5am to 4pm, I am in college, no graveyard shift), I don't feel like throwing it even more off by injecting secret. at another time.

Also, injecting a secretagoge in the morning will increase your hgh early in the day, while your natural nocturnal hgh won't increase that much. So, I'd rather do nighttime inject. It's a different story with cjc, which is active for a few days, but I still prefer to do nighttime inject.

What's "your" idea?


i thought your suggestion was to take GHRP during the day though too so you could take advantage of its hunger inducing quality?

thanks for all your help MA by the way. not a lot of bro's out there that know anything about this stuff. :head:
 
basically i was just wanting to use the GHRP to keep my hunger up while on tren and to recover from IGF use.
 
Its about time this thread started to take off, granted I haven't been much help. As soon as this injury is healed up I'll be back in buisness with a whole bunch of peps and other goodys wating for me. Docs telling me to totally lay off any weight lifting right now, sucks but hopfully I'll be back in shape by summer time.

Keep all the good info coming, I'd love to hear some good proticols for using PEGmgf and IGF together.
 
i thought your suggestion was to take GHRP during the day though too so you could take advantage of its hunger inducing quality?

thanks for all your help MA by the way. not a lot of bro's out there that know anything about this stuff. :head:

Ok, any Hormonal, Peptide Hormone, ProHormone, Peptide ProHormone (aka secretagogue) will shut you down (depending on your injection protocol, your timing, your dose).

Say, you just finished a 5 week, EOD/E3D, igf cycle. Your hgh production will suffer some shutdown. (I won't talk about hgh cycles, seeing as how they are pretty pricy, and quite francly, outdated).

So, you are shutdown, the best way to kickstart your endogenous hgh production, and stimulate your anterior pituitary gland is to inject a secretagogue (Hexa, ghrp6, cjc, I'll get back to ghrp, and cjc).

But, as I told you, even, if you are kickstarting your hgh synthesis, after your igf cycle, injecting a peptide prohormone, aka hgh secretagogue in this case, can result in shutting you down even more.

That's why it's important to smart cycle your secretagogues (hexa, cjc, ghrp6), most often muscular rats are injected on a 5on 2ff, 4on 3off, 3on 1off protocol to get enough pituitary stimulation while not getting shut down. If, your body is exposed to elevated hgh level for a "too long" period of time, your organism will signal your anterior pituitary gland to stop hgh production (negative feedback). That's why, it's essential to follow a smart injection protocol.

"just seemed like having elevated GH levels at night from GHRP injections when your body is trying to produce its own would cause more suppression since i'm sure there is a pathway that your body uses to adjust your GH levels, and it will see you already have a bunch in your body and thereby not make its own. the idea was that you would take it in the morning, when your body isn't making much naturual GH anyway, then in the evening when your body would go about its normal GH release process there would be no "extra" GH in your body from the GHRP since everything the GHRP produced would have already cleared, so your body would go about its natural nightly GH release as normal and uninterupted. keep in mind i am super newb at these growth factors so just thinking out loud"

Timing: AM vs. PM. Secretagogues will trigger a hgh release 5-10 times yoru natural level, getting exposed to such a high amount of growth hormone for a long period of time will in the end shut you down, regardless of your injection timing. But, injecting your secretagogues at bedtime will trigger a high hgh response in parallel with your natural cycle, that way you are not throwing your body off by spiking your hgh early in the morning, when it's not used to getting such high amounts of the hormone. At least, that way you respect your natural clock, and take advantage of hgh natural cycle. Again, any secretagogue will increase your hgh production 5-10 times, it's normal level, so, if you are worried about shutdown, it's gonna depend a lot more on yoru injection protocol, your dose than it's going to depend on your timing, so I would suggest to go with your natural cycle.

Ghrp6: Unless, you are going to inject 100-200mcg at night (that's, IMHO, as high as you could go without getting way too hungry to sleep), it should be injected in the morning (ghrelin, appetite increase), regardless of your natural cycle. 3-6 weeks of a secretagogue won't kill your natural hgh cycle. But, that's also one of the reason that I think that ghrp6 should be stacked with Hexa (bedtime). Again, you'll be fine with morning injections, this is all a lot more theoretical than it is practical, getting shutdown on secretagogues isn't much likely to happen.

Cjc: Is a little different as it stays active in the body for such a long period of time, I've decided to do daily injections (might switch to 5/2, or 3/1) to get a steady flow of hgh. But, I still got some experimenting to do, before I have a final saying on this one. But, I feel that as long as you don't go overboard with doses, this peptide shouldn't trigger any sort of shutdown, and if some, it would be minor.

Well, that's how I feel about it.
 
great ideas/read. much appreciated.
One idea/question i would add, would "natural" GH producers on off days of GHRP-6 be useful in fighting shutdown...as in GABA, l-Theanine, Argingine, melatonin, etc...
Also, would it matter if you were do dose on off days as i assume is somewhat unavoidable. I am sure dosing on the night of workouts would be far far more beneficial.

EDIT- I was thinking of running it solo on my rat to see if he took at about 100mcg checking for increae in appetite then go to 200 at night it would be an issue for him to go to sleep.
 
Marc Anthony,

With all due respect, gh-releasing peptides and secretagogues are NOT "peptide prohormones'; peptides do not undergo a chemical reaction within the body to become another active chemical. Those peptides stimulate the body's natural process to increase production of gh. Second these are NOT hormonal products. No effect on hpta from ghrp6 or hexa or from igf or mgf. Third, you reveal your lack of knowledge by stating gh cycles are 'pricey' and especially laughably, 'outdated'. Obviously you have never done a gh cycle before. HGH offers several advantages that secretagogues and gh-releasing factors, igf and mgf do not. I dont have the time to get into that huge discussion itself but suffice to say, perhaps you shouldnt be giving advice on peptides.

bb
 
To clarify:

gh releasing peptides, aka hgh secretagogues are "the equivalent" of a hgh prohormone, a product increasing hgh level. Sementics. They should be called prEhormones to be correct.

No peptides don't undergo any chemical reaction, they increase hgh production by boosting the anterior pituitary gland to produce more hgh.

I never said they are hormonal products.

There is an effect on HPTA by hexa, ghrp6, cjc, 1/ via hgh negative feedback, linked to increased hgh production, and your natural hgh getting shutdown over time. 2/ Prolonged exposition to these peptides can induce receptor downregulation. 3/ Also, overstimulation of your pituitary gland can have long term side effects.

Hgh cycles are pricey, ask around you, even at black market prices, multiple hgh injections/day for months can get kind of $$$.

HGH offer advantages those secretagogues, igf, and mgf do not offer. Igf, and mgf is one thing, but what is it that secretagogues can't offer that hgh can, seeing as how those secretagogues will boost your hgh level ... kinda like injecting hgh. (I hope you have blood level of Somatotropin to compare hgh cycles, to secretagogue cycles).

And, while I have never stated that I am an expert on peptides, you say "I dont have the time to get into that huge discussion itself" go ahead mate I am listening. Go ahead and share the knowledge.





Marc Anthony,

With all due respect, gh-releasing peptides and secretagogues are NOT "peptide prohormones'; peptides do not undergo a chemical reaction within the body to become another active chemical. Those peptides stimulate the body's natural process to increase production of gh. Second these are NOT hormonal products. No effect on hpta from ghrp6 or hexa or from igf or mgf. Third, you reveal your lack of knowledge by stating gh cycles are 'pricey' and especially laughably, 'outdated'. Obviously you have never done a gh cycle before. HGH offers several advantages that secretagogues and gh-releasing factors, igf and mgf do not. I dont have the time to get into that huge discussion itself but suffice to say, perhaps you shouldnt be giving advice on peptides.

bb
 
Ok, any Hormonal, Peptide Hormone, ProHormone, Peptide ProHormone
Sorry that I assumed when you said the word 'hormone' 4x you didnt mean 'hormonal products'; tough to tell what you are saying when you say it wrong though.


Please provide the link to research that shows how the increase or decrease of natural hgh production based on injection of gh secretagogues or release factors affects the hpta itself? I didnt ask about effects on the pituitary which most people would use t3 or t4 to combat, I asked about the hpta.

Third, most rational gh protocols do not call for multiple injections per day. In the AM on empty stomach subQ or postWO IM like igf (per the blast cycle methodology espoused by AlmostPro aka Gavin Kane aka soon to be federal inmate # ******). Yes it not cheap to spend $150 per month on gh (lets say roughly 150ius) but I see people on here spend more than that per month on useless and inneffective supplements.

I havent seen or heard anyone (including myself) say that hexarelin or ghrp6, or mgf/igf for that matter, reduced crow's feet, reduced grey hairs, increased energy, increased fat metabolism, increased fingernail/toenail growth, etc. Now MAYBE if you ran hex +ghrp6 + gh frag + mgf + igf + cjc then you will get lbm, maybe fat decrease, and increased energy but I dont believe the anti-aging effects such as the reduction of crow's feet and other facial wrinkles will be present.

Finally most people are NOT running cjc high enough. I will try and post the studies but it was several mgs per week I believe necessary. Which in light of the price even in China, is simply prohibitive. Same with pegHGH; great concept but too expensive. Its like $130 (not counting shipping) for one 2wk injection.

The debate I did not have time to get into when I posted was the advantages of gh over secretagogues. I understand the supposed legality of secretagogues is an advantage per se, but most people are using these products in an illegal methodology (injection) and there are no guarantees what they are actually receiving from most suppliers are in fact the secretagogue they wanted.

bb
 
Ok, any Hormonal, Peptide Hormone, ProHormone, Peptide ProHormone
Sorry that I assumed when you said the word 'hormone' 4x you didnt mean 'hormonal products'; tough to tell what you are saying when you say it wrong though.

>>>> O, i understand, what I meant to say in that exact sentence was: " In a general sens, anything hormonal will have an effect on the body, for example, hormonal = test, peptide hormone = igf, prohormone which I should refer to as prEhormones = LH, peptide prEhormone = hexarelin and such, in general. "


Please provide the link to research that shows how the increase or decrease of natural hgh production based on injection of gh secretagogues or release factors affects the hpta itself? I didnt ask about effects on the pituitary which most people would use t3 or t4 to combat, I asked about the hpta.

>>>>> Pituitary gland is part of the Hpta so I don't understand your question really. I would have to say that apart from the P.gland, those secretagogues don't have a major impact on hpta as a whole, and test production. As with any drug influencing your hormonal balance, we can assume that overdependency (in regards to hgh production) is a potential problem.

Third, most rational gh protocols do not call for multiple injections per day. In the AM on empty stomach subQ or postWO IM like igf (per the blast cycle methodology espoused by AlmostPro aka Gavin Kane aka soon to be federal inmate # ******). Yes it not cheap to spend $150 per month on gh (lets say roughly 150ius) but I see people on here spend more than that per month on useless and inneffective supplements.


>>>> I have read differently. Gavin is a good guy, but some ppl do things differently. I do agree with the "people on here spend more than that per month on useless and inneffective supplements."


I havent seen or heard anyone (including myself) say that hexarelin or ghrp6, or mgf/igf for that matter, reduced crow's feet, reduced grey hairs, increased energy, increased fat metabolism, increased fingernail/toenail growth, etc. Now MAYBE if you ran hex +ghrp6 + gh frag + mgf + igf + cjc then you will get lbm, maybe fat decrease, and increased energy but I dont believe the anti-aging effects such as the reduction of crow's feet and other facial wrinkles will be present.

>>>> To judge that we would have to read the medical review of someone giving those secretagogues a real try. Theoretically, I don't see how this would be any different. If, you can boost your hgh production by a ten fold, using secretagogues, it should help with those problems. I haven't read any HRT using secretagogues, maybe some day.

Finally most people are NOT running cjc high enough. I will try and post the studies but it was several mgs per week I believe necessary. Which in light of the price even in China, is simply prohibitive. Same with pegHGH; great concept but too expensive. Its like $130 (not counting shipping) for one 2wk injection.

>>> From what I have read up to 6mg/injection (for cjc).

The debate I did not have time to get into when I posted was the advantages of gh over secretagogues. I understand the supposed legality of secretagogues is an advantage per se, but most people are using these products in an illegal methodology (injection) and there are no guarantees what they are actually receiving from most suppliers are in fact the secretagogue they wanted.

>>>> "there are no guarantees what they are actually receiving from most suppliers are in fact the secretagogue they wanted" ... Tell me about it, and that f-ing sucks.

Appreciate the input, and the "pointing out", hope we keep on chatting.

Much respect,

Marc-Antony
 
The bottom line with all of the gh secretagogues is that they are still research chemicals. No one knows the full reach of what the do/do not effect. The best any of us can do is to do your own research, talk to people who have used them and then see what does/doesnt work personally. In reality 5 years from now it could be determined that some of these gh secretagogues are superior to GH or it could prove that they induce brain cancer. Who the fvck knows.
 
loving this discussion guys, keep it friendly and we will all learn a tihs load.

and its true, at this point anyway, posting medical reports that substantiate any of the claimed benefits of these peptides is almost impossible. thats why i love this site as it allows us from all over the world to share our actual experiences firsthand, which we all know are more important anyway.
 
Don't ask this kind of question.

Why not? It's a simple yes or no, I'm not asking for any sources or specifics.

Research chems get mentioned on this forum 100 times a day.

I'm assuming the answer is yes, but the least someone could do is point out which peptides are available OTC. GRHP is one of them, at least.
 
Why not? It's a simple yes or no, I'm not asking for any sources or specifics.

Research chems get mentioned on this forum 100 times a day.

I'm assuming the answer is yes, but the least someone could do is point out which peptides are available OTC. GRHP is one of them, at least.


...really? not sure bout that one...:think:
 
Seems like every thing I reaed with GHRP6 there is no need for igf1. How much igf1 it increases not sure but from reading seems like enough to not have to take igf1. Any thoguhts. ?
 
Seems like every thing I reaed with GHRP6 there is no need for igf1. How much igf1 it increases not sure but from reading seems like enough to not have to take igf1. Any thoguhts. ?

Same here. Dosing is questionable it seems, most stay around 200-400mcg a day.
ALOT of people run it with Hex(Hexarelin) becasue they are soooo synergistic.

...my search continues.
 
I agree. I just read just ghrp6 alone people have gained 15 pounds in 2 weeks. wow. All I can say. Now Im going to run it 150 x2 for 8 weeks if possible. No one has commented on my log im about to do so let me know. I may bump it up to 200 x2 mid cycle but I think for cost purposes 150x2 is perfect. How much did you pay for ghrp6. I paid 20 bucks for 2 mg. I feel that is expensive. PM me if you know cheeper prices.
 
...really? not sure bout that one...:think:

Well, to name one example, Vpx Hemogex has GHRP-2.

There are at least half a dozen otc peptide based formulas. That's what I was asking about.

I have not been able to find IBE's formulas in stock anywhere. I'm now trying to get information on Universal Kits pGHT.
 
Well, to name one example, Vpx Hemogex has GHRP-2.

There are at least half a dozen otc peptide based formulas. That's what I was asking about.

I have not been able to find IBE's formulas in stock anywhere. I'm now trying to get information on Universal Kits pGHT.


I believe the Hemogex product is an oral product correct? Its not really a research peptide along the lines of what ghrp6 is. And all of these research peptides are injectable. No they are NOT OTC, because they are not available for human use within the US. They are for research purposes only and I would add that unless you have a permit to do animal testing from the FDA, you are only allowed to do in vitro or ex vivo research.
 
I believe the Hemogex product is an oral product correct? Its not really a research peptide along the lines of what ghrp6 is. And all of these research peptides are injectable. No they are NOT OTC, because they are not available for human use within the US. They are for research purposes only and I would add that unless you have a permit to do animal testing from the FDA, you are only allowed to do in vitro or ex vivo research.

Thank you.
I may be new to these things Al but i know that the "real" peptides are not OTC.
 
Thank you.
I may be new to these things Al but i know that the "real" peptides are not OTC.

Mental, *I'm* new to this, as well. My comment wasn't meant to be disparaging. I'm just trying to sort through the masses of information regarding GH boosting substances.

When I see a product like Hemogex being sold OTC with GHRP in the ingredients, what am I supposed to think? It's confusing, which is why I wanted to get a definitive answer on the availability of these peptides.
 
Mental, *I'm* new to this, as well. My comment wasn't meant to be disparaging. I'm just trying to sort through the masses of information regarding GH boosting substances.

When I see a product like Hemogex being sold OTC with GHRP in the ingredients, what am I supposed to think? It's confusing, which is why I wanted to get a definitive answer on the availability of these peptides.

It want to seem like an attack. I am not sure on the way GHRP-2 is sold, it is a research peptide, as is GHRP-6. I am not even sure on oral-bioavailabiltiy of these things, i know IBE had somethin but it got "sold out" for permanent i think.

No hard feelings im learning too. I just know that GHRP would be much more popular as it works so well, if it was OTC....**** would be insane.
 
These peptides are not orally available. IBE's product which I dont believe in, didnt work orally either, it was based on absorption thru the mucous membranes in your throat I believe.

No anything thats sold OTC is not a real peptide product b/c these arent made for human consumption.

bb
 
Hey all,
Just received a 2mg vial of ghrp-6. How much bac water or aa should be added, 1ml? I cant find any info on this. Im planning on pinning 400mcg ed before bed.

Regards
 
cjc

why would you do a 5/2 split on cjc? I thought the point of this peptide was that you wouldn't have to inject more than twice a week>

Ok, any Hormonal, Peptide Hormone, ProHormone, Peptide ProHormone (aka secretagogue) will shut you down (depending on your injection protocol, your timing, your dose).

Say, you just finished a 5 week, EOD/E3D, igf cycle. Your hgh production will suffer some shutdown. (I won't talk about hgh cycles, seeing as how they are pretty pricy, and quite francly, outdated).

So, you are shutdown, the best way to kickstart your endogenous hgh production, and stimulate your anterior pituitary gland is to inject a secretagogue (Hexa, ghrp6, cjc, I'll get back to ghrp, and cjc).

But, as I told you, even, if you are kickstarting your hgh synthesis, after your igf cycle, injecting a peptide prohormone, aka hgh secretagogue in this case, can result in shutting you down even more.

That's why it's important to smart cycle your secretagogues (hexa, cjc, ghrp6), most often muscular rats are injected on a 5on 2ff, 4on 3off, 3on 1off protocol to get enough pituitary stimulation while not getting shut down. If, your body is exposed to elevated hgh level for a "too long" period of time, your organism will signal your anterior pituitary gland to stop hgh production (negative feedback). That's why, it's essential to follow a smart injection protocol.

"just seemed like having elevated GH levels at night from GHRP injections when your body is trying to produce its own would cause more suppression since i'm sure there is a pathway that your body uses to adjust your GH levels, and it will see you already have a bunch in your body and thereby not make its own. the idea was that you would take it in the morning, when your body isn't making much naturual GH anyway, then in the evening when your body would go about its normal GH release process there would be no "extra" GH in your body from the GHRP since everything the GHRP produced would have already cleared, so your body would go about its natural nightly GH release as normal and uninterupted. keep in mind i am super newb at these growth factors so just thinking out loud"

Timing: AM vs. PM. Secretagogues will trigger a hgh release 5-10 times yoru natural level, getting exposed to such a high amount of growth hormone for a long period of time will in the end shut you down, regardless of your injection timing. But, injecting your secretagogues at bedtime will trigger a high hgh response in parallel with your natural cycle, that way you are not throwing your body off by spiking your hgh early in the morning, when it's not used to getting such high amounts of the hormone. At least, that way you respect your natural clock, and take advantage of hgh natural cycle. Again, any secretagogue will increase your hgh production 5-10 times, it's normal level, so, if you are worried about shutdown, it's gonna depend a lot more on yoru injection protocol, your dose than it's going to depend on your timing, so I would suggest to go with your natural cycle.

Ghrp6: Unless, you are going to inject 100-200mcg at night (that's, IMHO, as high as you could go without getting way too hungry to sleep), it should be injected in the morning (ghrelin, appetite increase), regardless of your natural cycle. 3-6 weeks of a secretagogue won't kill your natural hgh cycle. But, that's also one of the reason that I think that ghrp6 should be stacked with Hexa (bedtime). Again, you'll be fine with morning injections, this is all a lot more theoretical than it is practical, getting shutdown on secretagogues isn't much likely to happen.

Cjc: Is a little different as it stays active in the body for such a long period of time, I've decided to do daily injections (might switch to 5/2, or 3/1) to get a steady flow of hgh. But, I still got some experimenting to do, before I have a final saying on this one. But, I feel that as long as you don't go overboard with doses, this peptide shouldn't trigger any sort of shutdown, and if some, it would be minor.

Well, that's how I feel about it.
 
THANK YOU

Marc Anthony,

With all due respect, gh-releasing peptides and secretagogues are NOT "peptide prohormones'; peptides do not undergo a chemical reaction within the body to become another active chemical. Those peptides stimulate the body's natural process to increase production of gh. Second these are NOT hormonal products. No effect on hpta from ghrp6 or hexa or from igf or mgf. Third, you reveal your lack of knowledge by stating gh cycles are 'pricey' and especially laughably, 'outdated'. Obviously you have never done a gh cycle before. HGH offers several advantages that secretagogues and gh-releasing factors, igf and mgf do not. I dont have the time to get into that huge discussion itself but suffice to say, perhaps you shouldnt be giving advice on peptides.

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why would you do a 5/2 split on cjc? I thought the point of this peptide was that you wouldn't have to inject more than twice a week>


And, you have how many cjc cycles in your muscles ... Why would you do a 5/2 ... it's called saturation theory. Daily injections will build up in the body, getting to those high cjc concentration that will give you the best results. 2off, cost purposes, and to give some relaxation yet very brief seing as how cjc is active for 48-72 hours in the body to your pituitary gland.

O ok, I am sure that 2 injections a week will be enough, to get to those 2-3-6mg/individual that you would get following experimental guide lines. So that's like 1-3mg injections at a time. Have fun with that.

I didn't say that's how it should be ... but how I, ME, MOI, JE, IK, YO, ICH do it. Get the difference brainiac.
 
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