ok gotcha bro, just wanted to make sure
50mg all at once of mdrol is unheard of, I'd call you crazy on this one... but since this turning out to be bunk you get a pass on this onei'm just taking them with food
I just popped 50mg all at once, going to hit legs soon, i'll update in a few hours
Exactly; this is my point. The B isomer should be more androgenic/less anabolic, and hence an inferior product. If it is possible to "contaminate" a SD batch with the B isomer, than maybe that's what we're looking at. In light of the fact that this stuff apparenly has lab results and all, the hypothesis at least fits.beta isomers in most sences the A and B ring i belive (meaning C2, 3, 5,6, 7 ect) are notably less potent and have less of an effect in terms of anabolic:androgenic properties.
this is seen with the AI used in LG which is the 3b isomer which wont cause noticible if any shutdown due to ligand binding affinity and less potent. however in that same amount the 3a isomer may be significantly stronger and be able to bind better
look at the difference in 6 bromo isomers as well
Do you realize how many thousands of bottles of Mdrol has been sold ??8 people not getting results does'nt qualify it as a bad batch. Like i said before you are welcome to have it tested for yourself50mg of Superdrol is quite crazy. My sweet spot is 20mg; no need to do 2.5x that much
anyway,
Day 9
50mg Mdrol (50 pre 0 post)
217 pounds (same as yesterday and weighed in later in the day today)
lift day
Lift day went ok. Strength was pretty mediocre. It was satisfactory but not a good workout by my standards. Pumps and endurance were very normal. Not what I would expect from 50mg Mdrol pre-WO.
I'm going to do 1 more day and then I think i'll be done. This is really a waste of time. I am just doing this to show that somehow 2 of CEL's testing analyses are dead wrong. I don't have scientific proof here but you take this and add to it the 8 other people I found on these forums that got jack **** from this batch and if you have a brain there's only 1 conclusion it can reach.
No it's 8 people plus me. It's 9 people saying the batch is bad. Out of a total of like 10 people weighing in (I think I read about 1 guy claiming results out of this batch). And I have previously referenced 8 other posts of guys getting no results from this batch... in one case he went 2 weeks on this batch, felt nothing, switched batches, and started making gains instantly... This is outright stupid to argue...Do you realize how many thousands of bottles of Mdrol has been sold ??8 people not getting results does'nt qualify it as a bad batch. Like i said before you are welcome to have it tested for yourself
DEF let us know!Thats it now i have to open my bottle and see if i need to order more from another manufacture, taking first dose tonight will post results after i take 2mros dose pre werkout. This is BS, like it would be so hard to just exchange the bottles for your customers, anyways will post 2mro afternoon and will pm all "NON-RESPONDERS, and let ya'll know if there is one more responder or if i have to run a fu ckin SD cycle with a god dam cold.
Ouch. OUCH!^^^ word. Put your product where your mouth is mw1
Not all the time. But the fact that UM ran 50mg and didn't feel a thing is pretty bold."the customer is always right."
I'm trying 60mg before my arms workout today. This should generate an absolutely debilitating pump, but we will see.Ouch. OUCH!
Not all the time. But the fact that UM ran 50mg and didn't feel a thing is pretty bold.
Unreal I must say I truly respect what are you doing for us by testing out this batch and giving honest feedback. You are running SD at "unthinkable doses" haha. IMO there is no need for you to continue running this compound and putting your body at risk for all of us. You have done more than enough ! And i'm sure we all appreciate it. If you say this batch is bunk, then I trust you word without a doubt. But please man stop this soon lol god only knows whats in that stuff !I'm trying 60mg before my arms workout today. This should generate an absolutely debilitating pump, but we will see.
I could not agree with wolverines more, if at 50 you did not feel the expected results where/when will it be enough? 70 or 90... I think you have proven your point without a though that this is not what it says on the bottle!Unreal I must say I truly respect what are you doing for us by testing out this batch and giving honest feedback. You are running SD at "unthinkable doses" haha. IMO there is no need for you to continue running this compound and putting your body at risk for all of us. You have done more than enough ! And i'm sure we all appreciate it. If you say this batch is bunk, then I trust you word without a doubt. But please man stop this soon lol god only knows whats in that stuff !
Hey crazy, what was the batch that you ran awhile ago? I remember having the same batch as you, and both of us didn't get jack off of it.dont need to prove anything else bro,
remember people have been reading the thread, even if they arent posting. you have more people following then you think.
just run some clomid about a week and then show how u respond to the second super compound so theres no "well the compound is the same and u continued and so did the gains u just needed to wait longer.." speech
kept this friendly. its people sharing experiences.
let me check my pile of **** lol.Hey crazy, what was the batch that you ran awhile ago? I remember having the same batch as you, and both of us didn't get jack off of it.
i had good results with their OLDER pplex (over dosed)I've ran some H-drol too with 0 results, started at 100mg for the first 2 weeks and the last 4 150mg. I'll never buy from CEL again.
What about the thousands that have used it w/ good results???? There can be numerous reasons as to why you have not had results with it...storage, 4+ previous cycles of SD (plus others), etc ,etc.....No it's 8 people plus me. It's 9 people saying the batch is bad. Out of a total of like 10 people weighing in (I think I read about 1 guy claiming results out of this batch). And I have previously referenced 8 other posts of guys getting no results from this batch... in one case he went 2 weeks on this batch, felt nothing, switched batches, and started making gains instantly... This is outright stupid to argue...
You're talking about a FAILURE rate of 90% with a sample size of 10. Sounds pretty against the odds.
And finally... I JUST DID TEST THIS BATCH MYSELF. You saw the results. They suck. You can hide behind the test results all day... I don't care... And neither do the viewers.
You can run this stuff for yourself. PM me your address and i'll send the rest of the bottle. I don't want it. Why don't you run your own log of it and we can see how your 100% perfect superdrol clone works?
I think it's very simple, they weren't running this batch. I have already provided evidence for 9/10 people getting no results from this batch; Now i see Crazyfool's post and apparently there were some more people with my batch and no results. His 2 friends brings the count of people getting no gains off this batch to 11. And the count of people getting gains being 1 person I found during my searches here. This isn't about me, it's about the batch, IMO.What about the thousands that have used it w/ good results???? There can be numerous reasons as to why you have not had results with it...storage, 4+ previous cycles of SD (plus others), etc ,etc.....
Yes Delta that is exactly how SD should work. It is extremely potent stuff and I usually start feeling it immediately.One more thing to add to prove your point further.. I'm running another batch at 10mg per day for 6 days and I can sure feel the pumps throughout the day since the second day!
It seems that a few of their clones are either hit or miss. I ran their E-stane last February at 20, 30, 40. Didnt feel anything during the first two weeks so I figured maybe it would kick in at 40 mgs. Nothing at 40 either needless to say I was very disappointed. I think the only weight I put on came from diet/ training. Ran IBE's Epistane with great success in May at the same dose so not too sure what deal is.I've ran some H-drol too with 0 results, started at 100mg for the first 2 weeks and the last 4 150mg. I'll never buy from CEL again.
What batch are you running?One more thing to add to prove your point further.. I'm running another batch at 10mg per day for 6 days and I can sure feel the pumps throughout the day since the second day!
In another thread he was emptying the caps out into an EVOO shot and saying he ws feeling the effects of SD more quickly. Another guy say taking it w/ Grapefruit juice supposidly had some interesting effects on the compound as well (I think it increased the 1/2 life?)Would it even matter since superdrol is a methyl? (especially in terms of the EVO)
ditto pplex was the **** first and second time i used it!Bad e-stane and h-drol is news to me, i figured all of CEL's other clones were totally good. I've used a couple bottles of P-Plex and my stuff was definitely legit.
QUICK QUESTION:ditto pplex was the **** first and second time i used it!
my phera experience:
1) 30mg for 24 days
Gained 10-12 pounds on a bulking diet, high carbs, bad bloat
gained decent strength, about 20 pounds on bench
2) 40/40/50/50
i think i gained about 1-2 pounds while leaning out a little. Strength gains were worse this time, maybe up about 10 pounds. I concluded that phera is pretty weak even at higher doses and needs to be stacked and run for a while
3) ran 30mg stacked with 20mg SD for about 2.5 weeks, I think SD carried it, but the combo was pretty friggin sick
overall sweet spot for me is probably 40mg, 30 is kinda mild, 50 wasn't much better than 40. Overall I feel the compound is pretty mild. I got a few backpumps and at 50mg my nip started feeling sore but that's it. Gyno and back pumps are the only sides I seem to be susceptible to anyway. Most people get much better strength from Phera than me. I quantitatively get over twice as much strength from Superdrol as Phera. Phera needs to be run for a while, it definitely does take a lot longer for the strength gains to get going. Anyway, could talk about phera forever, if you want more discussion make a new thread for it and i'll reply, or PM me
An apology is warranted when a company has done something wrong. Fact is from our end, we tested the raws, and they tested out. Then we tested the finished product (at a different place) and it tested out. Even after my first posts in this thread, I had the lab rerun their retention sample and yet again the same results. I can say that I am sorry that the results being seen arent what is expected, but the quality on the product is fine.a refund and apology for starters
The testing is done vs the actual Superdrol standard, so there isnt an isomer issue. It was well discussed time and time again why we labeled it the way we did.I read through the whole thread over at bb that someone provided earlier, talking about the isomers. The consensus from people in the know (i.e. Matt Cahill) was that there was/is no b isomer, as there would be no reason to produce raws for such a compound and, in fact, such a compound would be totally new and unknown. The isomer issue is explained as a labeling issue.
OK. Assuming this to be true, and not knowing jack **** about chemical manufacturing - would it be possible for this b isomer to contaminate an M-drol batch? IOW, perhaps the COA and the testing is all legit, but with the b isomer being more androgenic and less anabolic, could the product that tests out 100% the way it should still be watered down due to "isomer contamination" (if such a thing is even possible)?
Something ain't right here...
That wouldnt fit though because it was tested vs actual SD standards.Exactly; this is my point. The B isomer should be more androgenic/less anabolic, and hence an inferior product. If it is possible to "contaminate" a SD batch with the B isomer, than maybe that's what we're looking at. In light of the fact that this stuff apparenly has lab results and all, the hypothesis at least fits.
It's a frustrating point in a thread like this when we have done everything right from our end and people still arent responding to something. We do more testing per batch than any company that has ever made these types of products, and even when we post the results, it doesnt seem to be good enough.Do you realize how many thousands of bottles of Mdrol has been sold ??8 people not getting results does'nt qualify it as a bad batch. Like i said before you are welcome to have it tested for yourself
i went a little nutty with itQUICK QUESTION:
Not meaning to change the SD discussion, Just out of curiosity, how did y'all run your phera cycles, Like you and Unreal? 30, 45mg? What was the sweet spot with that? I've heard phera on its own doesn't really start to kick in till you hit like 2 1/2 week mark, and did you guys get alot of bloating sides with it?
You are right, there is honestly nothing that is going to appease some people.Even if someone sent you a bottle, and you come back and say "yea it was 99.9% purity" I don't think many people would believe you anyways.
I agree that the translation into real world results is what means most. But also from a company side of things, we do more quality testing than any other company that makes/made these types of products. And when you test things over and over, and they test out fine, and then some people still seem to be having problems responding, its frustrating. Especially when you have had the items in question tested at two seperate places because that rules out lab error. So I see your side of things, but hope you see mine as well.I think the test an end-user like myself appreciates the most is a field test such as what I'm doing here.
As it is i've gone through half a bottle of Mdrol in 10 days and I can't be sure if i have felt anything at all from it.
Has my body stopped responding to superdrol? I'll find out in 2 weeks when I switch clones (BTW still looking for feedback on SD-1)
The thing there is we test the products at two seperate places and yet we are getting grilled here, whereas many companies dont test at all, and I'm not aware of any that use two seperate places. Irregardless, that part of the issue has been beaten to death.I totally see your side of things and see the origin of the frustration. The difference is that I no longer have faith in the test results. I still think the only way to be sure is for me to try it out. So I am doing that personally. I've got the rest of this bottle, and i've got a sealed bottle of 092107 as well, so potentially more people with Superdrol experience could try this.
Looks like several of us have this batch. I also just purchased 4 bottles from NP. Very interested to see how you make out. When do you start your cycle?Subbed.....
Am doing a 3 week solo run of M-drol in 2 weeks time 20/20/20 ,batch number :52707/ expiration May 2012.
Won't be logging it fully ,but will post here on gains and sides ( if any. )
Have 4 bottles from this batch..hope it aint bunk.
Do you reckon Methadrol is now the best SD clone available.. ? or should i say most reliable...?i agree with UM. ****, i wish i would have gotten methadrol
Am startin that run next monday jerry,i wasnt planning on logging it but i can PM anybody thats interested regarding sides and gains... really hoping its not bunk !Looks like several of us have this batch. I also just purchased 4 bottles from NP. Very interested to see how you make out. When do you start your cycle?
Thanks for the info. That may well be, but if I recall, the lab report shows the M-drol testing out against an A/B isomer. Older lab reports show testing for the specific isomers. Why there was a change made in the testing method, I don't know. But the SD standard should be the A isomer, not the A/B isomer.The testing is done vs the actual Superdrol standard, so there isnt an isomer issue. It was well discussed time and time again why we labeled it the way we did.
That wouldnt fit though because it was tested vs actual SD standards.
I think it would be a great idea, provided that the test is for the true SD molecule (A isomer), and comes from a different lab. I'm of the opinion at this point that, since Research Triangle Labs has apparently tested everything out at 99+% purity, why not get that verified by another lab.The thing there is we test the products at two seperate places and yet we are getting grilled here, whereas many companies dont test at all, and I'm not aware of any that use two seperate places. Irregardless, that part of the issue has been beaten to death.
I'll be glad to send your sealed bottle and have it tested if you'd like. And I will point out for people that have questioned our customer service response to this that I seriously doubt you have ever or will ever see any company making this offer to people.
If you are not up for that, maybe someone else thats reporting it to be problematic will be.
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