AGREED,
was just thinking of the so called natty supps that could poss if ery lucky take some fat off/harden up with no change in diet and can only think of ursobolic and c20 again maybe, and possibly and if they were effective to a decent extent that would be great for all,
but as said i agree it could be a tall order and to far fetched, and getting good results with no other changes usually takes a drug or some type of gear but maybe one of the 2 natty supps could give reasonable/modest results in fat loss with no dietry changes, one can wish hey it seems to be possible for some.