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I think he's just saying they out a lot of **** in preworkouts that is either counterproductive or doesn't help. Dmaa, dmha preworkouts usually work extremely well. As for the noopept I have taken preworkouts that claim to have it and didn't notice a diffrence. Never taken it by itself but kn ow people that like it and say it definatley works. Seems like strongest preworkouts are usually dmaa/dmha, caffeine, Eria jarnesis.Sooo…basically, take caffeine tabs or coffee pre workout
I thought I was sperging out with my level of research on nutraceuticals and then I come here, talk to you guys and realize I'm nothing more than a lost puppy....the reason Creatine “works” is through anaerobic ATP production intracellularly; inside the muscle cell, for our purposes. The rate limiting substrate is not adenosine and so providing it with exogenous ATP doesn’t make a whole lot of sense from a bench perspective
great discussions here. Reminds me of the old bb.com days
I like the combination of regular caffeine and DiCaffeine Malate. People call DiCaffeine Malate an extended release caffeine, which is kind of true, because it does have a fast and slow release - but it's not like some of the supposed staged released caffeine ingredients. I think they have their place in some things, but I think they're over-hyped now. For me, I like somewhat of a slow response aspect like DiCaffeine Malate, but I want most of my energy then, especially if using it pre-workout.I’ve never liked extended or delayed release caffeine. Like, I’m drinking my shake now, give me the caffeine now dammit! I’ve always assumed it was to lessen the “crash” some get after caffeine consumption, but I don’t know how well that works.
With the ATP supplements, I thought they’re supposed to increase extracellular ATP, which is responsible for the benefits seen. I’m pretty sure I remember the bioavailability is low, but I thought there’s research showing it can hit the bloodstream, but doesn’t enter cells? Am I misremembering? My one experiment with it, I worked at GNC and got a bottle of the stuff from a MuscleTech guy. I took a double dose, alongside a preworkout which also had PeakATP in there, should have been about 1200mg total. After two weeks, the bottle was gone and I never noticed a difference the whole time. I’m not sold on it.
I'm not really sure what the original post said or what happened to make him remove it.I didn't really agree with all the specifics of the original post, but I thought it looked like an interesting discussion to be had and was a little disappointed to see OP got frustrated running into some of the usual ignorant frustrations nuanced discussions can tend to run into around here.
I had quite a few thoughts, but oh well I guess.
@Irishobrien doesn't normally post a lot but when he does, they normally tend to be good quality and informative posts.The post was really informative. It's a shame he took it down.
In my "Products Wanted" thread, in response to someone criticizing how cavalier some people are in taking Ozempic, he made it personal in a hurry. Not sure why. Too bad as his other posts were helpful.
Hey O'Brien, why did you delete the post? Just curious... Seemed like a good info post to me, you had some good notions. Seemed like others were vibing with the direction too.Deleted
It seemed like there were some negative comments in the beginning of the thread, and there was some negativity in another thread from what I could see over the weekend, that was towards him, but a lot looked like it had gotten deleted in that thread so I couldn't make any sense of it.Hey O'Brien, why did you delete the post? Just curious... Seemed like a good info post to me, you had some good notions. Seemed like others were vibing with the direction too.
Also Happy independence Day!