3 AD Clone!

[Rx Lift]

(1) It's a strong liver/body protectant like Milk Thistle, but it doesn't hurt gains like milk thistle! That makes more sense.

Please post some clinical data to back this up. Please do NOT link me to your AX marketing page, or copy and paste something from the AX marketing write up. Thanks.

 

[EasyEJL]

Can we all just call a trisorbagen truce here? it was a "XPN AndroXtreme-D" thread anyhow. Although the inclusion of trisorbagen in 3-ad makes talking about it some relevant, we really should keep the pricing + effectiveness conversation about it in a separate thread. Its conversations like these in a thread that make the search button give such squirrely results

 

[xjsynx]

Can we all just call a trisorbagen truce here? it was a "XPN AndroXtreme-D" thread anyhow. Although the inclusion of trisorbagen in 3-ad makes talking about it some relevant, we really should keep the pricing + effectiveness conversation about it in a separate thread. Its conversations like these in a thread that make the search button give such squirrely results

:clap2:

can you comment on how long the free beanie with HDx2 will be happening for?

in case this sounded facetious its not, I need to order a bottle of hdx2, along with some other stuff, but want to wait until trisorbagen is in at NP

 

[matthew76]

I've contacted Island about the product in question - The person who answered the phone put me on hold for 20 minutes (I hung up) the first time - The second time I called I was redirected to someone's voicemail (I'll be suprised if I get a response)

Oh well...

:frustrate :frustrate :frustrate :frustrate :frustrate :frustrate

 

[macedaddy]

the free beanie with hd-X2 would be while supplies last. I am not sure how many NP received nor how many they gave out. Sorry.

 

[Naven]

And lastly just because a product claims that it increases asorption by combining three products does not mean that it works. 1+1+1 DOES NOT = 3 in all cases. And until AX can do a clinical trial showing that taking Trisobargen is better then taking any one of those ingredients byitself, or even better, have AX prove there claim by doing a studying demonstrating that the use of Trisobargen + Prohormone is clinically signifcant as compared to using just prohormone by itself, this product is complete BS.

Great post, and thank you. I'm not holding my breath for any studies from AX, broscience seems to be the only studies available at this point.

AX, do you have any clinical data that trisorbagen does anything with androgens, besides forum posts that say "Works great!"?

 

[poopypants]

So is there more to this product than Bioperine? Any reason I'd want to pay $25 for it when Bioperine is available for *much* less from a myriad of other supplement companies? I know PA said that Bioperine and other similar absorption agents don't really help with androgens...

DID YOU EVEN READ MY POSTS?????

i gave you 3 other studies on the 2 other compounds showing there is increased absorbtion and other health benifits included!

i dont have to prove myself twice when you arent even willing to read once.... go back and read and read the write up THATS LEGIT NOT JUST MARKETING CRAP on the AX page...

theres WAY more to trisorbagen then JUST BIOPRENE and THATS why you should get it over aonother bioprene product.

 

[slow-mun]

DID YOU EVEN READ MY POSTS?????

i gave you 3 other studies on the 2 other compounds showing there is increased absorbtion and other health benifits included!

i dont have to prove myself twice when you arent even willing to read once.... go back and read and read the write up THATS LEGIT NOT JUST MARKETING CRAP on the AX page...

theres WAY more to trisorbagen then JUST BIOPRENE and THATS why you should get it over aonother bioprene product.

Poopy, you're wasting your breath, b/c those two guys are regular posters at BB.com. Look at their post count and then look at the manner of questioning that you get from them. You can change the screen name, but the BS remains. I say just stop humoring those jerk offs, b/c nothing short of a university study on Trisorbagen(not the ingredients) will shut them up.

 

[macedaddy]

Poopy, you're wasting your breath, b/c those two guys are regular posters at BB.com. Look at their post count and then look at the manner of questioning that you get from them. You can change the screen name, but the BS remains. I say just stop humoring those jerk offs, b/c nothing short of a university study on Trisorbagen(not the ingredients) will shut them up.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.


:frustrate

Sorry, slow-mon! I like you more and more that I run into you! :clap2:

 

[Rx Lift]

Poopy, you're wasting your breath, b/c those two guys are regular posters at BB.com. Look at their post count and then look at the manner of questioning that you get from them. You can change the screen name, but the BS remains. I say just stop humoring those jerk offs, b/c nothing short of a university study on Trisorbagen(not the ingredients) will shut them up.

Oh bandwagoners.. you guys crack me up :toofunny:

 

[Naven]

DID YOU EVEN READ MY POSTS?????

i gave you 3 other studies on the 2 other compounds showing there is increased absorbtion and other health benifits included!

i dont have to prove myself twice when you arent even willing to read once.... go back and read and read the write up THATS LEGIT NOT JUST MARKETING CRAP on the AX page...

theres WAY more to trisorbagen then JUST BIOPRENE and THATS why you should get it over aonother bioprene product.

See Rx Lift's post, please.

 

[Naven]

Poopy, you're wasting your breath, b/c those two guys are regular posters at BB.com. Look at their post count and then look at the manner of questioning that you get from them. You can change the screen name, but the BS remains. I say just stop humoring those jerk offs, b/c nothing short of a university study on Trisorbagen(not the ingredients) will shut them up.

Gee, what a novel concept, a STUDY? Boy, that's a whole lot to ask.

 

[slow-mun]

Oh, and here's a recurring trend from said posters like those two...... They have used every supplement, expose companies that they feel make substandard products, are an expert when it comes to biochemistry, and yet are too timid to post one single photo of themselves...? Keyboard bodybuilders/scientists are more disappointing than hot chicks with herpes.

 

[macedaddy]

Oh, and here's a recurring trend from said posters like those two...... They have used every supplement, expose companies that they feel make substandard products, are an expert when it comes to biochemistry, and yet are too timid to post one single photo of themselves...? Keyboard bodybuilders/scientists are more disappointing than hot chicks with herpes.

:toofunny: :clap2: :toofunny: :clap2:

 

[john123131]

ummmmmm wow...lol

 

[superdrollover]

Oh, and here's a recurring trend from said posters like those two...... They have used every supplement, expose companies that they feel make substandard products, are an expert when it comes to biochemistry, and yet are too timid to post one single photo of themselves...? Keyboard bodybuilders/scientists are more disappointing than hot chicks with herpes.

:clap2: :toofunny: :icon_lol:

 

[Naven]

Oh, and here's a recurring trend from said posters like those two...... They have used every supplement, expose companies that they feel make substandard products, are an expert when it comes to biochemistry, and yet are too timid to post one single photo of themselves...? Keyboard bodybuilders/scientists are more disappointing than hot chicks with herpes.

I haven't used every supplement, I'm not a chemist (I'm a physicist by education, and an engineer by trade), and I don't have an issue with posting photos.

I don't think what we are asking for is confrontational at all. Asking for proof (even a single study) that a said product does what the company says it does is very reasonable. Posting studies that show that some ingredients have some effect in a non-related capacity don't go very far in convincing consumers that it's worth a crap. It just makes you look like a fool and a pawn for a company that you are so mindlessly in love with.

I do have a lot of respect for PA. He's been around doing this stuff a lot longer than anyone else, and he does provide studies that are relevant to his products.

Enough drama here, I'm not trying to instigate anything or fight any battles, I'm a consumer who would happily use an AX product if it were backed by some science.

 

[poopypants]

Can you Mr. Poopypants, explain to me how the company claims of increasing asorption of those supplement classes/compounds has any effect on STEROIDS? Please "bust out" one of your many studies that you claim you have.

And for all of you that really want to use bioperine, you can pick up an entire bottle of the stuff for under 5 bucks.

And lastly just because a product claims that it increases asorption by combining three products does not mean that it works. 1+1+1 DOES NOT = 3 in all cases. And until AX can do a clinical trial showing that taking Trisobargen is better then taking any one of those ingredients byitself, or even better, have AX prove there claim by doing a studying demonstrating that the use of Trisobargen + Prohormone is clinically signifcant as compared to using just prohormone by itself, this product is complete BS.

Sorry poopy I had to call it as it is. I know you highschoolers buy into marketing easily, but you should thank me that I am here to save you your hard earned money.

if you dont see how that can apply to a steroid in any regards or line up with the other health benifits listed in AX's own writeup then i guess i cant help ya. i dont have any studies including nor can i find any with steroids directly being used.

and this

1+1+1 DOES NOT = 3 in all cases

thats what synergy is all about... 1+1+1 can equal 4..... math doesnt play right in chemistry

n thanks for the last comment but im far outta highschool. :thumbsup:

 

[slow-mun]

I haven't used every supplement, I'm not a chemist (I'm a physicist by education, and an engineer by trade), and I don't have an issue with posting photos.

I don't think what we are asking for is confrontational at all. Asking for proof (even a single study) that a said product does what the company says it does is very reasonable. Posting studies that show that some ingredients have some effect in a non-related capacity don't go very far in convincing consumers that it's worth a crap. It just makes you look like a fool and a pawn for a company that you are so mindlessly in love with.

I do have a lot of respect for PA. He's been around doing this stuff a lot longer than anyone else, and he does provide studies that are relevant to his products.

Enough drama here, I'm not trying to instigate anything or fight any battles, I'm a consumer who would happily use an AX product if it were backed by some science.

Well, thank you for the insight into your character and background. Feel free to come back at any time and share when its appropriate. Dont let the door hit you on the way out and please don't forget to take this with you-

 

[Naven]

Well, thank you for the insight into your character and background. Feel free to come back at any time and share when its appropriate. Dont let the door hit you on the way out and please don't forget to take this with you-

I fail to see how I've been owned. You have no response to any points I or others have raised, which makes you look like a mindless tool.

And this is enough e-fights, how about some studies that are relevant, please? Studies. Data. Anything besides "If you don't praise AX then you don't belong here".

 

[ralph4u2c]

first, there have been no losses on 3-AD!

Second, where do you get off thinking it is $50? Easy questioned if it would be $50 and do you really think we would rip off the consumer by putting an absorption matrix out for $50?

Third, Why pay for this too so it really just adds expensive when I could take an extra 10-20mg of my methyl for the same price? Because (1) It's a strong liver/body protectant like Milk Thistle, but it doesn't hurt gains like milk thistle! That makes more sense. (2) It boosts results (3) It's cheap.

you sold me on #2, but particularly more on #3. that was what i was waiting to hear. i was talking with D on some things, mace, check a PM coming to you soon about some ideas.

 

[slow-mun]

I would venture to say that this thread was going just fine, until you guys chimed in about Trisorbagen. In all fairness, I haven't offered anything worthwhile to this thread in reference to the Adrenosterone product or Trisorbagen, but neither have you. I'm sure you two are respected members of the BB.com family, so I would just go back there where you can tend to your flock of sheep like normal. You will likely not find anyone in this community to join in and add to the ego of your online persona.

 

[Rx Lift]

Well, thank you for the insight into your character and background. Feel free to come back at any time and share when its appropriate. Dont let the door hit you on the way out and please don't forget to take this with you-

Please stop with your completely useless comments. So far you have provided absolutely no insight what so ever that helps back up AX's claims. If your not going to contribute please stop posting in this thread. No body likes a teenybopper with an IQ of 50 making unless comments.

 

[slow-mun]

BTW, I'm not a diehard AX fanboy, so I think you may be confused about that one. I do, however, have a keen sense of smell......I read a few of your guy's posts and instantly knew that it was a familiar aroma of BS that I have came across on only one other forum. You guys should just keep the same screen names and avatars to make it easier for us to see who you really are.

 

[Rx Lift]

I would venture to say that this thread was going just fine, until you guys chimed in about Trisorbagen. In all fairness, I haven't offered anything worthwhile to this thread in reference to the Adrenosterone product or Trisorbagen, but neither have you. I'm sure you two are respected members of the BB.com family, so I would just go back there where you can tend to your flock of sheep like normal. You will likely not find anyone in this community to join in and add to the ego of your online persona.

My first few post on this thread was about aquiring 3-AD from overseas. My last set of post have been on Trisobargen. So please backup your statement of "I haven't offered anything worthwhile to this thread in reference to the Adrenosterone product or Trisorbagen, but neither have you." And BB.com, I didn't even realize I posted there. Boy you must be some sort of boy genuis or something.

 

[slow-mun]

Please stop with your completely useless comments. So far you have provided absolutely no insight what so ever that helps back up AX's claims. If your not going to contribute please stop posting in this thread. No body likes a teenybopper with an IQ of 50 making unless comments.

My only admitted contribution to this thread is attacking you two. Can't you clearly see this? BTW, :FUfinger:

 

[Rx Lift]

if you dont see how that can apply to a steroid in any regards or line up with the other health benifits listed in AX's own writeup then i guess i cant help ya. i dont have any studies including nor can i find any with steroids directly being used.

and this

thats what synergy is all about... 1+1+1 can equal 4..... math doesnt play right in chemistry

n thanks for the last comment but im far outta highschool. :thumbsup:

Well it does make a big difference because the compounds they used do not have the same pharmacokinetic parameters as the steroids we are trying to make more effective. Catch what I'm saying? We need to see individual studies on each of these compounds being used with anabolics to truely figure out whether or not this product would be worthwhile. There also may be a ceiling dose on DHB, so 100mg may not be any more effective then 25mg. Who knows it may be cheaper and more effective just to drink a glass of grapefruit juice every morning rather then waste money on Trisobargen (look up studies on grapefruit juice and statins). Until we see some objective data, it is all speculation at this point. Feedback will also be useless, what is someone going to say "I gained 12 pounds while doing an 8 week cycle of xx prohormone with trisobargen." There is no merit there because we don't know if the extra gains were due to the user eating extra calories, working out more, and taking anabolics.

 

[Naven]

I would venture to say that this thread was going just fine, until you guys chimed in about Trisorbagen. In all fairness, I haven't offered anything worthwhile to this thread in reference to the Adrenosterone product or Trisorbagen, but neither have you. I'm sure you two are respected members of the BB.com family, so I would just go back there where you can tend to your flock of sheep like normal. You will likely not find anyone in this community to join in and add to the ego of your online persona.

Oh, ok, this is an AX-KoolAid forum. Fair enough.

 

[Rx Lift]

My only admitted contribution to this thread is attacking you two. Can't you clearly see this? BTW, :FUfinger:

I can literally feel my IQ dropping by reading your post. I'm gonna put you on my block buddy list so hopefully we can keep this discussion free of BS.

 

[poopypants]

My first few post on this thread was about aquiring 3-AD from overseas. My last set of post have been on Trisobargen. So please backup your statement of "I haven't offered anything worthwhile to this thread in reference to the Adrenosterone product or Trisorbagen, but neither have you." And BB.com, I didn't even realize I posted there. Boy you must be some sort of boy genuis or something.

RX for reference sake how OLD are YOU??? casue your teeny bopper this and boy genius that to 25+-30+ year olds here.... so quit putting yourself on a pedastool and realize thats gonna earn you no respect...

i have not personally attacked you or been rude and tried my hardest with the resources i had to show you these products included in trisorbagen increase absorption, you want an exact study including the name trisorbagen and steroids and anything short of that oyu wont be pleased... so please dont act like youve contributed anything here other then acting high and mighty and that you cant put 2 and 2 together that this stuff actually works and at 25 dollars is more then cost effective for what it does..... /rant and unsubbed.

 

[Rx Lift]

Also why is Poopy the only one trying back this product up? The AX rep keeps dropping in here but has not posted a single thing that helps supports this product's effectiveness. Poopy even though he is an IBE rep, at least took the time out to look up studies, what did Macedaddy do??

 

[matthew76]

Clearly this thread has turned into a bickering match - can we get back on the subjest at hand - W/O all the back and forth name calling, etc...

Opinions/Facts should be shared in a mature manner

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD - SHUT THE FLUCK UP!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rx Lift]

RX for reference sake how OLD are YOU??? casue your teeny bopper this and boy genius that to 25+-30+ year olds here.... so quit putting yourself on a pedastool and realize thats gonna earn you no respect...

i have not personally attacked you or been rude and tried my hardest with the resources i had to show you these products included in trisorbagen increase absorption, you want an exact study including the name trisorbagen and steroids and anything short of that oyu wont be pleased... so please dont act like youve contributed anything here other then acting high and mighty and that you cant put 2 and 2 together that this stuff actually works and at 25 dollars is more then cost effective for what it does..... /rant and unsubbed.

My appologies there.. some of the other people who have posted on this thread have cluttered with useless statments making it frustrating. I will keep my post civilized so we can have an intelligent discussion.

 

[ralph4u2c]

alright so i think we have everything figured out with this thread. lets just wait for people to get the product and begin logging it.

if anyone does buy a 3-AD clone, let me know. i would be interested in sending off a few capsules (if you wanted to give up a few) to an independent lab and see how it comes back.

 

[DR.D]

I will ask this again, is there any actual clinical data that shows the increase in absorbtion between prohormone A and Prohormone A + Trisobargen is clinically significant?

If you do not understand what clinically significant means, please look it up rather then linking me to some marketing write up as your arguement. Thanks.

No, no clinicals with various phs and the product known as Trisorbagen.

 

[DR.D]

So is there more to this product than Bioperine? Any reason I'd want to pay $25 for it when Bioperine is available for *much* less from a myriad of other supplement companies? I know PA said that Bioperine and other similar absorption agents don't really help with androgens...

Then why did he put it in his last product too? Just to copy everyone else even though it doesn't work?? Read between the lines fella.

 

[xjsynx]

alright so i think we have everything figured out with this thread. lets just wait for people to get the product and begin logging it.

if anyone does buy a 3-AD clone, let me know. i would be interested in sending off a few capsules (if you wanted to give up a few) to an independent lab and see how it comes back.

Talk to Easy...

 

[DR.D]

Great post, and thank you. I'm not holding my breath for any studies from AX, broscience seems to be the only studies available at this point.

AX, do you have any clinical data that trisorbagen does anything with androgens, besides forum posts that say "Works great!"?

It's not "bro-science" at all, though there are no specific clinicals for Trisorb, there is a ton of relevant, related clinical data all over the net to justify the substrates, enzymes and mechanism involved with this product. Results are predictable. Maybe you just fail to understand the science? Reread the write-up, learn about the P450 and metabolism, then ask your questions if you still have any questions. I doubt you will because it's not that hard to grasp.

 

[DR.D]

... You can change the screen name, but the BS remains. ...

Excellent point! True and concisely put, just how I like it.

 

[ralph4u2c]

Talk to Easy...

he already PMed me, thanks. we'll get to working

 

[matthew76]

Alright damnit! I purchased a bottle today (not to take - well not at this moment) I want to get this stuff tested; which is cool because I think someone else is too - then maybe compare the two studies... I def. don't want to be involved in another EPI scandal type of thing, though

Dr.D - as always, thanks for dropping some knowledge down for us!

 

[poopypants]

Alright damnit! I purchased a bottle today (not to take - well not at this moment) I want to get this stuff tested; which is cool because I think someone else is too - then maybe compare the two studies... I def. don't want to be involved in another EPI scandal type of thing, though

Dr.D - as always, thanks for dropping some knowledge down for us!

tested for what???? you gonna get blood serum levels checked for a certain prohormone with no trisorb and then one with??? i dont understand getting it tested?? its not questioned WHATS in it but wether or not it works so please tell me how you plan on testing it???

 

[DR.D]

Alright damnit! I purchased a bottle today (not to take - well not at this moment) I want to get this stuff tested; which is cool because I think someone else is too - then maybe compare the two studies... I def. don't want to be involved in another EPI scandal type of thing, though

Dr.D - as always, thanks for dropping some knowledge down for us!

Haha, yeah, you can see how honest and objective PA's info was on Epi now, right? It's been 86'ed with all the clones! Epi is in the upper half of the top 10 best sellers everywhere now, while the other brands PA defended are in the "where are they now" category, lol.

This will NOT turn into another Epi drama, because I will not even waste my time if that starts again. The truth always surfaces for itself and results speak louder than bs. That's how it is and it always will be.

 

[quigs]

BTW, I'm not a diehard AX fanboy, so I think you may be confused about that one. I do, however, have a keen sense of smell......I read a few of your guy's posts and instantly knew that it was a familiar aroma of BS that I have came across on only one other forum. You guys should just keep the same screen names and avatars to make it easier for us to see who you really are.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions. Everyone should question, rather than follow blindly. I don't see anywhere where they attacked the products, only the lack of research behind them. IMO, these guys are being attacked for no reason, other than that their opinion is not shared by yourself and some others on this board.

I personally have no problems with trisorbagen, and I think it can be a useful product (based on the bioperine studies that I've seen). Also, its common knowledge that grapefruit juice (DHB) has a significant impact on the absorption of SOME drugs. The other components I'm not too familiar with. That said, rather than attacking a member for raising questions about a product...try helping find some useful information to contribute.

 

[quigs]

Then why did he put it in his last product too? Just to copy everyone else even though it doesn't work?? Read between the lines fella.

To my knowledge, it was intended to improve the oral bioavailability of the trans-Resveratrol, not the 6-oxo. Whether it improves both I dunno.

 

[quigs]

Here is a quick list on some of the drugs metabolized by the p450 pathway:

http://www.aidsinfonyc.org/hivplus/issue1/ahead/p450.html

 

[DR.D]

To my knowledge, it was intended to improve the oral bioavailability of the trans-Resveratrol, not the 6-oxo. Whether it improves both I dunno.

But do you notice he was quoted as saying it has no merit, now he's using it? Regardless of the intent, he's using it! Lets just end the hypocrisy and guise of legitimate skepticism is all I'm saying. If you don't think it has a sound scientific mechanism for your specific application, just don't do it then. Please don't come over here defending a couple of insincere jerks though, that already know the answers to their own questions before they ask them.

 

[Beige]

i would just like to say that i have used two halo-50 clones in the past. one of them contained a p-450 protection matrix consisting of bioperine, and few other things (one might have been dhb). the clone was called methandrol-50 by webber pharmaceuticals. not only did blood work confirm it, but the mirror did as well.

i admit that i like AX, but i am not defending their products because i have a liking towards their brand or reps. i am gauranteeing that this product works because they haven't dropped a dud yet.

 

[quigs]

But do you notice he was quoted as saying it has no merit, now he's using it? Regardless of the intent, he's using it! Lets just end the hypocrisy and guise of legitimate skepticism is all I'm saying. If you don't think it has a sound scientific mechanism for your specific application, just don't do it then. Please don't come over here defending a couple of insincere jerks though, that already know the answers to their own questions before they ask them.

I haven't seen that quote, but if its true then I agree with you that PA is way off on this one. The actives in your product that I'm familiar with certainly do improve the oral bioavailability of certain drugs. Whether this includes all AAS I honestly don't know. I have seen a few studies which include anavar and deca, which would support your claims of increased oral AAS absorption. This will also improve the oral bioavailibity of many stims (including caffiene) as well as many other prescription/OTC drugs.

That said, I stand by my statement that these guys were attacked unjustly. They were doing what I hope every supplement consumer does, question the products that they are purchasing. Good supplement companies can provide solid scientific backing to their products...not bash those who question them. I understand that peer reviewed journal articles regarding the use of this type of product with designer steroids will be non-existant, but there should at least be a legitimate study of a similar compound to compare. What I saw were a few guys asking for this type of verification...with only hostility in return.

You may label me as a PA "cronie" if you wish, but I think that I deserve much more credit. I have the utmost respect for the leaders in this industry (which includes PA, Sledge, Par Deus, WL, and Dr. D) but I think that every product that any of them put out should be questioned by the consumer. Following blindly will help no one.

 

[quigs]

i would just like to say that i have used two halo-50 clones in the past. one of them contained a p-450 protection matrix consisting of bioperine, and few other things (one might have been dhb). the clone was called methandrol-50 by webber pharmaceuticals. not only did blood work confirm it, but the mirror did as well.

i admit that i like AX, but i am not defending their products because i have a liking towards their brand or reps. i am gauranteeing that this product works because they haven't dropped a dud yet.

So you are saying that you had better results with the bioperine containing halo clone? Blood work showing the improvements would go a long way in demonstrating your claim. I am not doubting you, but I'd like to see them as as my curiosity had been peaked. The only thing that concerns me with this type of data is the fact that many of these halo clones may be underdosed/overdosed/contaminated with another compound (like DMT) and can skew results.