Some hdx2 maybe?
loluhhhh..........YEAH RIGHT! :smite:
it shipped to disibutors this week and i just emailed Sam about it, so i would hope soon.......:head:mace - when do you expect Trisorbagen to be carried at the PLANET?
if you cannot give that info, i'll understand... thanks
it shipped to disibutors this week and i just emailed Sam about it, so i would hope soon.......:head:
The manufacturer could have sent it using a different set of nomenclature (ie etioallocholan), or the manufacturer might have labeled it as being something completely non-supplemental. Think of how many prosteroids are out on the market right now, they all come through China. Customs officials do not understand the nomeclature of all these, and they are not on a regulations list so they have no reason to hold them. And for the testosterone question, 4-hydroxy-testosterone used to be sold as a supplement and came from china and many companies sold it. It was a legit product.^ how is this again? (two posts up.)
...anything with testosterone in the name would be highly scrutinized.
For 50 dollars?? Why would you spend that much on a supposed absorption increaser? These methylated hormones have very very high bioavailabilty as is. If your gonna spend 50 bucks you might as well buy an additional bottle of the hormone and just take an extra cap a day. Far more cost effect and the gains will be a lot better. Sheeez looks like AX is really trying to recoup there losses on 3-AD.and actually for my benefit too on the trisorbagen, its 90 caps as 3/day for around $50ish? thats what it looked like from other sites that put products up before they are available..
yea i was kind of thinking the same thing when i read that. hoping that this new absorption product would be in the $15-20 range but my gut tells me it wont be. no way in hell im paying $40-50 to increase the absorption of a methylated oral steroid, which would be the only reason i would purchase it (for orals). i dont know the whole science behind it, may help justify cost, but im just praying its a decent/cheap and effective add-on to a cycle. something you can just drop in your cart and not have to think twice because of the price.For 50 dollars?? Why would you spend that much on a supposed absorption increaser? These methylated hormones have very very high bioavailabilty as is. If your gonna spend 50 bucks you might as well buy an additional bottle of the hormone and just take an extra cap a day. Far more cost effect and the gains will be a lot better. Sheeez looks like AX is really trying to recoup there losses on 3-AD.
trisorbagen was specifically made for the NON METHYLATED products boys... sheesh....For 50 dollars?? Why would you spend that much on a supposed absorption increaser? These methylated hormones have very very high bioavailabilty as is. If your gonna spend 50 bucks you might as well buy an additional bottle of the hormone and just take an extra cap a day. Far more cost effect and the gains will be a lot better. Sheeez looks like AX is really trying to recoup there losses on 3-AD.
ya i was thinking the same thing as well... people are way to quick to jumop to conclusions... do your homework before you post folks..:study:$50??? I saw it for $25 and he retail price was listed as $40.
Regardless if it is 25 dollars, is there any actual clinical data that shows the increase in absorbtion between prohormone A and Prohormone A + Trisobargen is clinically significant?ya i was thinking the same thing as well... people are way to quick to jumop to conclusions... do your homework before you post folks..:study:
XmassRegardless if it is 25 dollars, is there any actual clinical data that shows the increase in absorbtion between prohormone A and Prohormone A + Trisobargen is clinically significant?
And how many non-methylated steroids are currently present on the market for this to even be worthwhile?
I will ask this again, is there any actual clinical data that shows the increase in absorbtion between prohormone A and Prohormone A + Trisobargen is clinically significant?Xmass
trenadrol
1,4AD
1,4ADD
Finigen x
Furaz
prostan (winztrol)
Adrenosterone
M-TST
Mega TRN
do i need to keep on going????
and the science behind trisorbagen is completely sound and benifits range far beyond just increased PH absorbtion including increased nutrient uptake and immune system. look at the page and read write up.... youll be a lil suprised im sure.
Anabolic Xtreme
its multiple compounds together... click the link above... and hold on there RX and ill get you your studies....What's the chemical name of Trisorbagen?
I will ask this again, is there any actual clinical data that shows the increase in absorbtion between prohormone A and Prohormone A + Trisobargen is clinically significant?
If you do not understand what clinically significant means, please look it up rather then linking me to some marketing write up as your arguement. Thanks.
hows this???? now remember EACH of these increase absorbtion and block binding enzymes BY THEMSELVES so what do you think happens when you take em all ?? a hell of alot of increased absorption.I will ask this again, is there any actual clinical data that shows the increase in absorbtion between prohormone A and Prohormone A + Trisobargen is clinically significant?
If you do not understand what clinically significant means, please look it up rather then linking me to some marketing write up as your arguement. Thanks.
they are still available under different names... revolt... trenaplex... ect ect theres plenty out there look up the compound names and youll find TONS:duel:
for the record - i thought Mega TRN and Xmass was pulled from the market...????
I've only found 1 site with a preorder price listed for trisorbagen, and its over $50. I hope its only $25$50??? I saw it for $25 and he retail price was listed as $40.
no, it ws made for ALL products! :head:trisorbagen was specifically made for the NON METHYLATED products boys... sheesh....
first, there have been no losses on 3-AD!For 50 dollars?? Why would you spend that much on a supposed absorption increaser? These methylated hormones have very very high bioavailabilty as is. If your gonna spend 50 bucks you might as well buy an additional bottle of the hormone and just take an extra cap a day. Far more cost effect and the gains will be a lot better. Sheeez looks like AX is really trying to recoup there losses on 3-AD.
So is there more to this product than Bioperine? Any reason I'd want to pay $25 for it when Bioperine is available for *much* less from a myriad of other supplement companies? I know PA said that Bioperine and other similar absorption agents don't really help with androgens...alright get this...Bioprene isnt even AX's they just use a marketed, trademarked PROVEN absorption agent created by another corporation.
it has its OWN web page and info... now if i HAVE to i will bust out another study on Piper nigrum L (black pepper) as that is where bioprene is derived from.
BIOPERINE - Antioxidants,Bioavailability Enhancer, Nutritional Supplements, Phytonutrient,Black Pepper
Yeah, I only saw a price listed on one site, and it was a pre-order at a little over $50. I've used the best of my google skills to find a place to pre-order it, but that was the only one I found I thought it sounded high, I was not suggesting that was the expected retail (and I wasn't willing to order at that price). But it was a pre-order price, and it wasn't NP, so they could just be trying to do a pre-order gouge as there are some less "friendly" sites out there who would do that, particularly with hotly anticipated products.first, there have been no losses on 3-AD!
Second, where do you get off thinking it is $50? Easy questioned if it would be $50 and do you really think we would rip off the consumer by putting an absorption matrix out for $50?
Third, Why pay for this too so it really just adds expensive when I could take an extra 10-20mg of my methyl for the same price? Because (1) It's a strong liver/body protectant like Milk Thistle, but it doesn't hurt gains like milk thistle! That makes more sense. (2) It boosts results (3) It's cheap.
Wow! I'll be sure to never shop there. I found it on an island. It wasn't presale, though. I'll wait til NP has it. Hopefully it'll be soon.I've only found 1 site with a preorder price listed for trisorbagen, and its over $50. I hope its only $25
Who is this PA guy? Sounds like a jealous close minded fool to me. I bet if PA marketed dogcrap as haveingsimilar qualities asSo is there more to this product than Bioperine? Any reason I'd want to pay $25 for it when Bioperine is available for *much* less from a myriad of other supplement companies? I know PA said that Bioperine and other similar absorption agents don't really help with androgens...
Wasn't 11-oxo out before any other adrenosterone product? He still innovates. I'll admit that he seems pretty crotchety at times, but he generally provides either the labwork or at least on paper organic chemistry to back up what he says, and will generally admit it when he is shown to be wrong by actual tests/chemistry. He does tend to be more negative towards others products than maybe he needs to be tho.Just face it PAs time is done so now all he can do is pretend he is for the consumer by making false statements about all of the more innovative companies in hopes of boosting his products credibility.
trisorbagen isn't bioperine alone either, so his statement that bioperine "and other absorption agents don't do much" doesn't really have any bearing on whether trisobagen does much. The synergy of the ingredients, or even just a linear increase in the total could add up to enough. Heck a K&N air filter doesn't do much in my car, 2-4% extra horsepower, but I'll take that 7-14 extra horsepower. And with a different muffler, and a chip reprogram, each of those only adds 5% more hp, but by the time I've added all 3 i'm up more like 20% total, and its a significant difference.So is there more to this product than Bioperine? Any reason I'd want to pay $25 for it when Bioperine is available for *much* less from a myriad of other supplement companies? I know PA said that Bioperine and other similar absorption agents don't really help with androgens...
He may still innovate but remember he has some new best friends that watch his every move so he has to do things like extremely underdose 11-oxo as to not draw any heat to himself. What AX did was innovate by adding double the dose and the tri complex. And because his product was out first doesnt mean anything to me. I will admit the guy is smart, but what gets me is that everyone believes him when he says hes here for the consumer......What a load of crap!Wasn't 11-oxo out before any other adrenosterone product? He still innovates. I'll admit that he seems pretty crotchety at times, but he generally provides either the labwork or at least on paper organic chemistry to back up what he says, and will generally admit it when he is shown to be wrong by actual tests/chemistry. He does tend to be more negative towards others products than maybe he needs to be tho.
trisorbagen isn't bioperine alone either, so his statement that bioperine "and other absorption agents don't do much" doesn't really have any bearing on whether trisobagen does much. The synergy of the ingredients, or even just a linear increase in the total could add up to enough. Heck a K&N air filter doesn't do much in my car, 2-4% extra horsepower, but I'll take that 7-14 extra horsepower. And with a different muffler, and a chip reprogram, each of those only adds 5% more hp, but by the time I've added all 3 i'm up more like 20% total, and its a significant difference.
I'm interested in it because I have liver fears from too many years of drinking so being able to take less of methyls, and have better liver support sounds like a winner to me. If trisorbagen could reach 15-20% better absorption of orals, that could be the difference between 50mg of epi without or 40mg with trisorbagen having the same effect, and I think my liver would thank me for that.
Geez, next thing you are going to tell me there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny....He may still innovate but remember he has some new best friends that watch his every move so he has to do things like extremely underdose 11-oxo as to not draw any heat to himself. What AX did was innovate by adding double the dose and the tri complex. And because his product was out first doesnt mean anything to me. I will admit the guy is smart, but what gets me is that everyone believes him when he says hes here for the consumer......What a load of crap!
YES! because he stole our idea and makes it in his own lab, so he bypasses the FDA and was able to get it out much quicker than us............:sad:Wasn't 11-oxo out before any other adrenosterone product?
LMAO! check out his signature on bb.com! :toofunny: he quotes me saying those VERY things! LOL!Geez, next thing you are going to tell me there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny....
The rationale of some people is dumbfounding...You can get them to believe anything...
PA does know his crap, but to act like he is consumer advocate is ludicrous. The guy has an agenda to sell product and books.
"you love PA so much, do his product, but i assure you, he doesn't give a DAMN about you or your health or goals. HE JUST WANTS YOUR MONEY!" -macedaddyLMAO! check out his signature on bb.com! :toofunny: he quotes me saying those VERY things! LOL!
"you love PA so much, do his product, but i assure you, he doesn't give a DAMN about you or your health or goals. HE JUST WANTS YOUR MONEY!" -macedaddy
Just quoting myself so mace doesn't miss my question here i'm an attention whore yes, must not have been breastfed or something.Mace, are you allowed to comment on MSRP? or allowed to say what NP will have it for? Or allowed to send me a bottle ? :dance:
no, i can not comment on MSRP or suggested until released...........sorry! :frustrateJust quoting myself so mace doesn't miss my question here i'm an attention whore yes, must not have been breastfed or something.
Mace wouldn't be the one to ask. It would be NP. Anywho, I did not receive a beanie with my HDx2.can you comment on how long the free beanie with HDx2 will be happening for?
in case this sounded facetious its not, I need to order a bottle of hdx2, along with some other stuff, but want to wait until trisorbagen is in at NP
I'm trying to tone down. a little. and i'm actually getting almost reasonable calories intake wise nowMace wouldn't be the one to ask. It would be NP. Anywho, I did not receive a beanie with my HDx2.
And I just slotted you to win the supplement dead pool over zombie...
hows this???? now remember EACH of these increase absorbtion and block binding enzymes BY THEMSELVES so what do you think happens when you take em all ?? a hell of alot of increased absorption.
Bioprene
unsure if there is anything on this as this is a trademarked name... ill keep looking..
/edit found this in later post.... but putting here for singular reference
BIOPERINE - Antioxidants,Bioavailability Enhancer, Nutritional Supplements, Phytonutrient,Black Pepper
Emblica Officinalis
Department of Home Science (Food and Nutrition), University of Rajasthan, Jaipur, India.
The lipid lowering and antiatherosclerotic effects of Emblica officinalis (Amla) fresh juice were evaluated in cholesterol-fed rabbits (rendered hyperlipidaemic by atherogenic diet and cholesterol feeding). E. officinalis fresh juice was administered at a dose of 5 ml/kg body weight per rabbit per day for 60 days. Serum cholesterol, TG, phospholipid and LDL levels were lowered by 82%, 66%, 77% and 90%, respectively. Similarly, the tissue lipid levels showed a significant reduction following E. officinalis juice administration. Aortic plaques were regressed. E. officinalis juice treated rabbits excreted more cholesterol and phospholipids, suggesting that the mode of absorption was affected. E. officinalis juice is an effective hypolipidaemic agent and can be used as a pharmaceutical tool in hyperlipidaemic subjects.
AND
Department of Medical Biochemistry, Dr. A.L.M. Post Graduate Institute of Basic Medical Sciences, University of Madras, Taramani Campus, Chennai 600113, India.
BACKGROUND: Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is a prevalent and debilitating disease that affects the joints. Infiltration of blood-derived cells in the affected joints upon activation generate reactive oxygen/nitrogen species, resulting in an oxidative stress. One approach to counteract this oxidative stress is the use of antioxidants as therapeutic agents. OBJECTIVES: Kalpaamruthaa (KA), a modified indigenous Siddha preparation constituting Semecarpus anacardium nut milk extract (SA), Emblica officinalis (EO) and honey was evaluated for its synergistic antioxidant potential in adjuvant induced arthritic rats than sole SA treatment. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Levels/activities of reactive oxygen species (ROS)/reactive nitrogen species (RNS), myeloperoxidase, lipid peroxide and enzymic and non-enzymic antioxidants were determined in control, arthritis induced, SA and KA treated (150 mg/kg b.wt.) animals. RESULTS AND CONCLUSION: The levels/activities of ROS/RNS, myeloperoxidase and lipid peroxide were increased significantly (p<0.05) and the activities of enzymic and non-enzymic antioxidants were in turn decreased in arthritic rats, whereas these changes were reverted to near normal levels upon SA and KA treatment. KA showed an enhanced antioxidant potential than sole treatment of SA in adjuvant induced arthritic rats. KA via enhancing the antioxidant status in adjuvant induced arthritic rats than sole SA treatment proves to be an important therapeutic modality in the management of RA and thereby instituting the role of oxidative stress in the clinical manifestation of the disease RA. The profound antioxidant efficacy of KA than SA alone might be due to the synergistic action of the polyphenols such as flavonoids, tannins and other compounds such as vitamin C and hydroxycinnamates present in KA.
PMID: 17588554 [PubMed - in process]
6,7,-dyhydroxybergamottin (DHB)
Department of Pharmacology, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, USA.
OBJECTIVE: Our objective was to assess the contribution of 6',7'-dihydroxybergamottin (DHB) to the inhibitory effect of grapefruit juice toward intestinal cytochrome P450 (CYP) 3A4. METHODS: An aqueous extract was prepared from grapefruit juice by centrifugation, filtration, and repeated washing of the particulate with water. The concentrations of various furanocoumarins in this grapefruit juice "serum" and in whole grapefruit juice were measured by HPLC and their identities confirmed by liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry. Five healthy volunteers were given a single tablet of felodipine (10 mg) with whole grapefruit juice, orange juice-containing serum, or plain orange juice (control). The pharmacokinetic outcomes of felodipine were evaluated by noncompartmental methods. The effects of serum and purified DHB (at the same concentrations as those measured in the orange juice-containing serum used in the clinical study) were compared, in vitro, with regard to (1) the reversible and mechanism-based inhibition of the catalytic activity of complementary deoxyribonucleic acid-expressed CYP3A4 and (2) the time-dependent loss of immunoreactive CYP3A4 protein in modified Caco-2 cells. RESULTS: The concentration of DHB in serum was comparable to that measured in whole grapefruit juice (38 micromol/L versus 43 micromol/L), and the concentrations of other known furanocoumarins were well below the lowest published concentration required to inhibit catalytic activity by 50%. Relative to plain orange juice, orange juice-containing serum significantly increased the median felodipine area under the plasma concentration-time curve by 1.9-fold (P =.04) and increased the maximum concentration by 1.7-fold (P =.01). In vitro, serum and purified DHB had similar inhibitory effects toward CYP3A4 activity with respect to both reversible inhibition (95% confidence interval, 85% +/- 5.7% and 75% +/- 4.5%, respectively) and mechanism-based inhibition after a 15-minute preincubation (95% confidence interval, 79% +/- 6.8% and 78% +/- 5.7%, respectively). In Caco-2 cells the time-averaged extents of CYP3A4 protein loss caused by serum and purified DHB were identical (43%). CONCLUSION: The interaction between grapefruit juice serum and felodipine can be attributed largely to DHB. This establishes DHB as an important contributor to the grapefruit juice effect.
PMID: 15179411 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
I feel 10 times dumber after reading your post. I'm gonna go bang my head against a wall now, thanks!i dont even think i've repped you before but its sayin spread some more rep around hahah...anyways...man thats some really good posting...i hope other people come in here and benefit from that...and RX i hope you dont get all butt hurt with poop showin ya da facts
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