again with telling us what you cant do.... we aint askin for those emails so save em. thanks for the favor and have fun with the flavor.
He didn't say purposely.
... I can't save the world from underdosing douche bags. Amazing how it's "ok" they underdosed it because it's working...
Mike, pretty please, with a fvckin' cherry on top, stick around.You guys are funny. Sadly, I can't post the emails I have, as that would truly start a world of crap. You guys are right. This isn't my battle. I can't save the world from underdosing douche bags. Amazing how it's "ok" they underdosed it because it's working. So funny.
I'm off to flavor bcaa's. Have fun figuring all this out.
We didnt use Test as a reference. He might have a standard; but, he doesnt have a GC/MS. He knew the results cause we sent them to IBE.io havent even finished reading this thread but i thought id shed some light on here and show you guys something that cant be refuted.
this was posted by the D on 04-07-2007, 12:55 PM in the ibe is in trouble thread on page 17......
now tell me folks how could he predict mike would come up with a MW of 270 unless it was casue he knows the standard to Epi and tested the same thing and came up with the fact this is correct?
BOTH PA and the lab used TEST as a reference wich has a MW of 288 (not epi and how could they know the MW of epi anyhow if they dont haave a statndard?)and the mg per pill cannot be determined either without the standard, just a comparison if it was EXACTLY like test, sorry this is EPI nNOT TEST
so it goes to show why would the D say 270 first hand and then mikes results show the same unless its EXACTLY what its claimed to be?
i wont post again as if you guys cant read this one post and SEE the truth for yourself let alone the results users like myself have received then ill never convince you. the facts speak for themselves and THANKS Mike (1fast400) for providing the back up to D's claims. i appreciate it and
I told you so.
"So, you're sayin' there's a chance?"It is very unlikely that a tertiary alcohol will leave.
I don't know what share of the market I represent, but for the record, if you can somehow go into the business of assuring that I get what I pay for, you'll be getting a sizable chunk of my income. Neither the FDA nor brotelligence strikes me as optimal.I will be around, but my posts will be about helpful things, not this. I gotta get my accountant to cut a check to bobo. Don't want to cross any lines yet.
About the same chance as Jessica Alba asking me out on a date."So, you're sayin' there's a chance?"
now its really obvious you are trying to start ****, you say that IBE said that if you ran any more tests they would sue you, and they didnt say that at all, so either you are trying to spin what they said, or you just didnt understand it.Here is some fact for you. IBE sent me an PM on this board, trying to make threats. I responded back and then IBE wrote this back to me. You can have a mod check my PM box to verify if you wish:
Then you said this about not quoting other Emails.You know you really can save the threats for someone who cares. You and I both know that even with your few million dollars, you CANNOT get the FDA to hurry up and change legislation and then try to pursue action against any company in the research biz unless you want to spend your last million doing so. Besides I will be selling Innovative Research long before you can have your guys package and process any so called case you think you have against me.
You know MM, you revealed your motives now and at least I know where you are coming from, it's all good though. Next time show your colors or proclaim your vestments (ie PrimaForce and SFR), before trying to approach the community with your so called VALIANT efforts. We'll see how it goes for you with your new business venture, I wish you well, REALLY. BTW, did you ever test Havoc/Hemo to see what it really contains? Since you are doing the community so many favors with your overflowing wealth. I would say your money would be better spent actually helping people, like the countless homeless and suffering people in our country. Care to put up a good $250 or more contributing to a good charitable effort?
My point here MM, is you leave me alone and I will leave you alone. YOu really think you saying you tested pre-primaforce protects you? WHen did you post the reults though? Push me and I will push back....I don't care about how much $$$ you sold your last biz for, it's not always about $$$ in the biz and you should have done your homework a little better before stepping on my toes. If I was REALLY selling illegal substances, then I believe we wouldn't be having this conversation...... in case you haven't researched my history. You say you act out of community interest and the truth is that your only interest is $$$ and you want to keep it comin in.
What you overspent in the last year?
Did that Corey Haims comment hit you that hard?
My bad, I will take it back then.......you will be rich forver and ever and ever.
Don't tell me about customer service, I invented true care and service for my customers and have been, long before your days as BN CEO in the making. You do your testing, out of your own curiosity.....it's a free world, you try to bring my company into anymore of your slander, you will be speaking to my attorney.
You don't have to like me....I used to respect you and your company, but now you are no better than BK and the rest of the goones of this business
Not trying to be a jerk here but what is the difference?You guys are funny. Sadly, I can't post the emails I have, as that would truly start a world of crap. You guys are right. This isn't my battle. I can't save the world from underdosing douche bags. Amazing how it's "ok" they underdosed it because it's working. So funny.
I'm off to flavor bcaa's. Have fun figuring all this out.
Huge, the emails I have are going on between myself and about 5 other people. This topic has been cut forward/backward/sideways. I've seen every possible explanation for every possible outcome. From that I've made my own decision as to who is right and who is wrong. Since those emails are from people who have connections to other companies (not SFR or RPN), I don't think it would be right for me to post them. The conversations are being done in confidence. If they want to discuss the info there, that is their choice.Not trying to be a jerk here but what is the difference?
Huge, the emails I have are going on between myself and about 5 other people. This topic has been cut forward/backward/sideways. I've seen every possible explanation for every possible outcome. From that I've made my own decision as to who is right and who is wrong. Since those emails are from people who have connections to other companies (not SFR or RPN), I don't think it would be right for me to post them. The conversations are being done in confidence. If they want to discuss the info there, that is their choice.
I don't need to prove anything else. The facts are out there. Those that have the knowledge base know the truth. I can't go through and explain each little thing. Simply because people ignore what is typed and believe what they want, regardless of the truth. When I see people like poopster making ignorant posts, it just confirms that I need to step away. It is proof that regards of if you say 2+2=4, someone will always say it equals 5. Just because they don't understand.
I'm enjoying my new cherry flavored bcaa's right now. New products are my concern. I followed through on what I said I'd do, post the results.
IT also shows your integrity (the lack thereof actually) when you continually attack the intelligence of other people! Plus the fact that it shows you to be childish and immature and doesn't back up your argument at ALL!When I see people like poopster making ignorant posts, it just confirms that I need to step away.
It's been speculated in the past by RPN that the lack of gyno reduction from Havoc is only because they didn't advertise it as a gyno reducer like IBE did w/ Epistane. So naturally, in theory, most of the people looking for gyno reduction chose Epistane. Have there been many cases where Havoc users specifically noted no difference in their gyno?Besides the dosing issue I'm still thinking that the MW of 288 and 270 means something here. I have a hard time understanding how these supplements are the same only because they are not producing the same effects. I haven't read any logs where people are reporting the gyno reversing effects from havoc. Obvioulsy something is different here and the MW's show that. If it walk like a duck and talks like a duck it's a duck folks. I'm not taking sides but facts are facts. Which supp is doing what it's designed for and which isn't.
It's been speculated in the past by RPN that the lack of gyno reduction from Havoc is only because they didn't advertise it as a gyno reducer like IBE did w/ Epistane. So naturally, in theory, most of the people looking for gyno reduction chose Epistane. Have there been many cases where Havoc users specifically noted no difference in their gyno?
You can hate me, that doesn't bother me.
ahhhhhhh come on, it was funNeoborn posts like this are not helping anything. -J
We leave it out because we feel treating gyno should be left to a physician and not chanced on a compound such as this. We don't want underage attempts to cure pubescent (or other) gyno and IMHO marketing in this way is inappropriate.I hear ya but why wasn't it. Why would you leave something like that out. It would only make the product sell more and appeal to a broader market. Doesn't make sense if you ask me. Any possible benefit from a supp is always highlighted and amplified on claims. Never heard of a company downplaying their product when advertising it.
Here's the quote from dsade:I hear ya but why wasn't it. Why would you leave something like that out. It would only make the product sell more and appeal to a broader market. Doesn't make sense if you ask me. Any possible benefit from a supp is always highlighted and amplified on claims. Never heard of a company downplaying their product when advertising it.
So if they have been tested you can explain the MW issue for us?All data has been collected and we have viewed the results and know more about what is going on with this issue than you could ever hope to, but until Alston has the official "COC Report" complete, which we are promissed to have by monday at the latest, then and only then will any reports be posted. I will give you a little hint and this you can also confirm with RTP Labs, is that Epi has tested the purest and cleanest of all 3 products that were tested in their lab.
We're nowhere near the point of meting out apologies, so stow it. Let's get the facts straightened out first.When all this is said and done, I think it is Mike McCandless that owes IBE an apology and all the board members an apology for these actions and false accusations.
So you have spoken to them and can respond to the issue right now?they have been very helpful to clarify the issue with Tested Amount per cap estimate given in the report.
Shouldn't this apply to RPN as well?I mean, should we really have a standard being developed AFTER a product is made?
That reminds me Mike I need to send you a check!We hope the community can see that we have put a lot of care, time and money into this product and will not let these hidden agendas take the product and IBE down.
If you have a clear peak and a MW of 288, that is proof that the compound is correct. It's when something outside of 288 comes out that people seem to debate if it is real or not. It looks like KW is getting ready to post a lot of info that may clear that up. To this point, people testing it were under the impression that 288 was the only number you should come up with.But it has been said by you that there was no standard. So how does your above statment clear RPN?
So, if 270 turns out to be a legit MW, it would sure appear that some people owe IBE a HUGE apology.If you have a clear peak and a MW of 288, that is proof that the compound is correct. It's when something outside of 288 comes out that people seem to debate if it is real or not. It looks like KW is getting ready to post a lot of info that may clear that up. To this point, people testing it were under the impression that 288 was the only number you should come up with.
Ditto.Obviously I have some reps to spread around before giving it to Kywck again.
:woohoo:I'm sorry IBE... I'm sorry Dr.D :rant:
:whiner:.
:goodpost:I can't say when it will finally happen, just that it will happen and IBE will be seriously vindicated before it's over. Those who have pushed lies and spoken dishonestly will be exposed for their true motives as well.
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