X-Factor or X-Factor Advanced?

I do 3-4g fish oil in the morning daily, and depending on the cycle have done between 2-6 X-Factor preWO... Ive tried XF without fish oil as well, honestly never noticed a difference.

A few years back we had XF loggers use various amounts of fish oil (some users 1g, other 3g, etc) who had used it without... just about nobody noticed a difference.
 
SwolenONE said:
I do 3-4g fish oil in the morning daily, and depending on the cycle have done between 2-6 X-Factor preWO... Ive tried XF without fish oil as well, honestly never noticed a difference.

A few years back we had XF loggers use various amounts of fish oil (some users 1g, other 3g, etc) who had used it without... just about nobody noticed a difference.
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I can say ditto to this. First time I ran it, 1 gram of XF without GMS and LCLT. I kept my fish oil dosing and was also using cissus. Worked out great. Second time I ran it, 1.5 grams of XF with GMS and LCLT. I didn't use fish oils at all and no cissus. Didn't really feel that different from the first time I used XF.

I think in the future I will just stick with a straight 1 gram XF, probably stop using fish oils due to the "just in case" mentality.
 
kissdadookie said:
I can say ditto to this. First time I ran it, 1 gram of XF without GMS and LCLT. I kept my fish oil dosing and was also using cissus. Worked out great. Second time I ran it, 1.5 grams of XF with GMS and LCLT. I didn't use fish oils at all and no cissus. Didn't really feel that different from the first time I used XF.

I think in the future I will just stick with a straight 1 gram XF, probably stop using fish oils due to the "just in case" mentality.
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Great feedback, I get a TON of feedback between email, fb and forums and the vast majority notice no difference in fish oil vs no fish oil, and also hear many saying they didnt notice anything different with the preWO dosing protocol than they did with the new preWO only protocol.

Of course everybody is different, but without a doubt there is WAY too much emphasis on dosing protocols and what to or not to take with ArA... end of the story is take X-Factor or XFA and enjoy the gains :)
 
SwolenONE said:
Great feedback, I get a TON of feedback between email, fb and forums and the vast majority notice no difference in fish oil vs no fish oil, and also hear many saying they didnt notice anything different with the preWO dosing protocol than they did with the new preWO only protocol.

Of course everybody is different, but without a doubt there is WAY too much emphasis on dosing protocols and what to or not to take with ArA... end of the story is take X-Factor or XFA and enjoy the gains :)
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And well all know how reliable anecdotal feedback is ;)

We know that Ara is more selective for muscle tissue when exercise is initiated after consumption -- dose at other times and it may not end up where you want it. Will you personally "feel" any different? Doubtful. But the response via the body will be different.

Do you feel mtor being activated after consuming leucine? Doubtful.
 
Jiigzz said:
And well all know how reliable anecdotal feedback is ;)

We know that Ara is more selective for muscle tissue when exercise is initiated after consumption -- dose at other times and it may not end up where you want it. Will you personally "feel" any different? Doubtful. But the response via the body will be different.

Do you feel mtor being activated after consuming leucine? Doubtful.
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I love the way it feels when mtor revs up after a 5gram Leu hit! I mostly just feel it when dosing it with my sns Caffeine/Yohimbine stack ;)
 
aaronuconn said:
It's going to help + it's fairly cheap.
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This.

Its up to you whether or not you run it with XF/ X-gels and if you choose not too, thats fine but it will help maximise your run regardless of whether or not you 'feel' it.

I personally feel no stronger after using creatine but i still use it. Sometimes differentiating between whether something works or not is hard to do objectively as you are only using how you feel as the basis (thus it is subjective lol).

As people, we are actually hopeless at objectively telling if something works within our body due to things like the placebo efffect or hawthorne effect etc. Sometimes we think things are happening that are not (good study showing this that was conducted using MSG) and sometimes things are working and we just dont notice.
 
Yeah, totally get what you're saying there. Prefer to minimise what new supps I take at any one time these days though, as otherwise you just don't know what's working. XF/XFA and GMS seem like they work well together though from what I've read, just also seen quite a few people saying they saw no additional benefit with GMS, so didn't want to waste my money.
 
Johnston said:
Yeah, totally get what you're saying there. Prefer to minimise what new supps I take at any one time these days though, as otherwise you just don't know what's working. XF/XFA and GMS seem like they work well together though from what I've read, just also seen quite a few people saying they saw no additional benefit with GMS, so didn't want to waste my money.
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Im sure you will still be happy with your progress
 
mw1 said:
Im sure you will still be happy with your progress
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Absolutely.

It will still work very well, just adding my 2 cents :D
 
SwolenONE said:
Great feedback, I get a TON of feedback between email, fb and forums and the vast majority notice no difference in fish oil vs no fish oil, and also hear many saying they didnt notice anything different with the preWO dosing protocol than they did with the new preWO only protocol.

Of course everybody is different, but without a doubt there is WAY too much emphasis on dosing protocols and what to or not to take with ArA... end of the story is take X-Factor or XFA and enjoy the gains :)
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If there's no difference then why even put it in XFA? "This was added because it made no difference."

Just trolling ya of course. I honestly think the boswellia is a good addition since LOX inhibition, while a localized phenomenon, will prevent pre-existing joint flareups without affecting hypertrophy. Now you just need to remove the fish oil and it's good to go
 
Jiigzz said:
And well all know how reliable anecdotal feedback is ;)

We know that Ara is more selective for muscle tissue when exercise is initiated after consumption -- dose at other times and it may not end up where you want it. Will you personally "feel" any different? Doubtful. But the response via the body will be different.

Do you feel mtor being activated after consuming leucine? Doubtful.
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I hear your point, but thinking of pharm anabolics many do not act exactly as is expected through theoretical science when applied in the real world application. It just goes to show how complex the human body is, and how much is unknown regarding anabolism.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
If there's no difference then why even put it in XFA? "This was added because it made no difference."

Just trolling ya of course. I honestly think the boswellia is a good addition since LOX inhibition, while a localized phenomenon, will prevent pre-existing joint flareups without affecting hypertrophy. Now you just need to remove the fish oil and it's good to go
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Haha, :) thanks for the props on the boswellia inclusion and perhaps we will see a new version of X-Factor Advanced down the line, you never know.

Johnston: Remember that for about 8 years people were raving about X-Factor before the gms and lclt recommendations came to be and that most who have used with and without these extras notice very comparable results. They are certainly not necessary additions, but are inexpensive additions that can add to your X-Factor/XFA cycle slightly.
 
SwolenONE said:
Haha, :) thanks for the props on the boswellia inclusion and perhaps we will see a new version of X-Factor Advanced down the line, you never know.

Johnston: Remember that for about 8 years people were raving about X-Factor before the gms and lclt recommendations came to be and that most who have used with and without these extras notice very comparable results. They are certainly not necessary additions, but are inexpensive additions that can add to your X-Factor/XFA cycle slightly.
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This.

You definitely will enjoy whether you use the extras or not. I love ALCAR for other purposes so it already features as a staple in my routine and a secondary benefit is that it helps my Ara run.
 
Jiigzz said:
This.

You definitely will enjoy whether you use the extras or not. I love ALCAR for other purposes so it already features as a staple in my routine and a secondary benefit is that it helps my Ara run.
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A carnitine salt is usually always on hand for me. ALCAR or LCLT, but I may give PLCAR a go for an extended time sometime in the future. Would be great with ArA.
 
aaronuconn said:
A carnitine salt is usually always on hand for me. ALCAR or LCLT, but I may give PLCAR a go for an extended time sometime in the future. Would be great with ArA.
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I always forget about PLCAR. Really need to pick some up
 
Will be using PLCAR for the first time along with xfactor tomorrow...

I'm on week 3 with xfactor. No doms or anything. Also stacking it with DAA.
 
cbsharpe said:
Will be using PLCAR for the first time along with xfactor tomorrow...

I'm on week 3 with xfactor. No doms or anything. Also stacking it with DAA.
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I have pretty intense DOMs today after upping my X-gel dose to 2g a couple of weeks ago (tbh though, its one of the only 'pains' I enjoy getting). I must note, I have switched up my routine so that weekly I focus on on a new Advanced Overload Technique and so I had kind of expected the DOMs to occur regardless.
 
Jiigzz said:
I have pretty intense DOMs today after upping my X-gel dose to 2g a couple of weeks ago (tbh though, its one of the only 'pains' I enjoy getting). I must note, I have switched up my routine so that weekly I focus on on a new Advanced Overload Technique and so I had kind of expected the DOMs to occur regardless.
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Okay, interesting. I'm not sure if I'd be willing to up my dose to 2gms but who knows. Today was chest and back day and I took:

1.5 gms of Xfactor
2 gms of DAA
2 gms of PLCAR
 
cbsharpe said:
Okay, interesting. I'm not sure if I'd be willing to up my dose to 2gms but who knows. Today was chest and back day and I took:

1.5 gms of Xfactor
2 gms of DAA
2 gms of PLCAR
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1.5g works perfectly IMO. No need to up your dose, was just giving you my experience.Certainly more cost effective to run it lower
 
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Arachidonic acid-dependant inhibition of adipocyte differentiation requires pka activity and is associated with sustained expression of cyclooxygenases

Excerpt: inclusion of either FORSKOLIN or (another cAMP elevator) ABOLISHED the ability or arachidonic acid to induce differentiation in the presence of DEX, and INSULIN corroborating the notion that the inhibitory effect on arachidonic acid requires elevated cAMP

Basically you get leaner. But does this allow intra carbs with ara pre workout to prevent fat gain?
 
EBF Inc said:
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Arachidonic acid-dependant inhibition of adipocyte differentiation requires pka activity and is associated with sustained expression of cyclooxygenases

Excerpt: inclusion of either FORSKOLIN or (another cAMP elevator) ABOLISHED the ability or arachidonic acid to induce differentiation in the presence of DEX, and INSULIN corroborating the notion that the inhibitory effect on arachidonic acid requires elevated cAMP

Basically you get leaner. But does this allow intra carbs with ara pre workout to prevent fat gain?
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So forskolin with X-Factor is not a good idea?
 
EBF Inc said:
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Arachidonic acid-dependant inhibition of adipocyte differentiation requires pka activity and is associated with sustained expression of cyclooxygenases

Excerpt: inclusion of either FORSKOLIN or (another cAMP elevator) ABOLISHED the ability or arachidonic acid to induce differentiation in the presence of DEX, and INSULIN corroborating the notion that the inhibitory effect on arachidonic acid requires elevated cAMP

Basically you get leaner. But does this allow intra carbs with ara pre workout to prevent fat gain?
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Johnston said:
So forskolin with X-Factor is not a good idea?
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Did you read his post lol. By combining them, you amplify fat loss tremendously (a good thing I'd think). \

And yes, take your damn intras/pres with ArA! Exercise crushes insulin release (epinephrine >>> insulin)
 
Nice I have anabeta elite and ara coming
 
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