sns8778
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I will probably buy all of them at some point under whatever brands you market them
Thank you. I think all of them definitely have their individual premises.
I'm leaning towards looking into doing all of the ideas.
Would anyone like to see SNS or CEL make a carb powder? (Discussion thread)
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Thank you. I think all of them definitely have their individual premises.
I'm leaning towards looking into doing all of the ideas.
aaronuconn
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Really challenging to make the majority of people happy with those formulas. For example, from an EAA perspective, I usually like at least 3.5g Leucine. But the carbs vary on if I’m strength training or doing cardio.
So you may see some products with, for example, 25g HBCD, and an EAA blend led with 3.5g Leucine. But what if I want to do an hour run? I may want 50-75g+ of carbs, but I don’t really need 2-3x the EAA’s.
Totally get what you mean, and having a combo product is convenient, but just tough for companies to make people happy with those products. Hence why I’m a proponent of separate products in this scenario.
Similar to hydration products. I might only want a relatively lower level of electrolytes while lifting, but if running and sweating a lot, I want to up the amount.
sns8778
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There's a good chance the upcoming CEL Intra will have a carb and carb free version. I'm considering doing 2 carb flavors and 2 carb free ones
LucasBagoDoce
Member
Would buy unflavored HBCD or a HBCD/Carb 10 complex from you guys anytime.
would become a staple supp
would become a staple supp
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Thank you. I really appreciate that. Do you have a preference between HBCD or HBCD/Carb10 combination?
Hyde
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MrKleen73
Legend
I laughed when I saw that too and was wondering did I miss another question that was asked or is this the simplest response to the original question possible.^Unexpected candor
Airmaniac
Member
Thanks for the Tag! My initial post went over one of my favorite combos from 2017, that included GlycoMyx. That’s a great white buffalo of mine. Man, I remember our strongest member in my unit would slam Pixie sticks during his workouts and I’ve done that(19/20) thinking I’d somehow deadlift 710 pounds. Yea, no.
Back to the topic at hand, I’m going to echo HBCD or HBCD/Carb10 blend. I’ve used Legday as of late, sparingly. It gives me a nice boost in mood with added endurance and no discomfort. I also purchased many of 5lb jugs of Carb10 with good results. I’m a sicko and do unflavored when it’s an option(Very unpopular opinion).
Back to the topic at hand, I’m going to echo HBCD or HBCD/Carb10 blend. I’ve used Legday as of late, sparingly. It gives me a nice boost in mood with added endurance and no discomfort. I also purchased many of 5lb jugs of Carb10 with good results. I’m a sicko and do unflavored when it’s an option(Very unpopular opinion).
sns8778
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I'm leaning towards doing something like GlycoMyx that people have asked for and also a HBCD/Carb10 mix; and personally want to do a solo HBCD.
MrKleen73
Legend
As long as you have your usual solid price points on them I am sure they will all do well for what they are intended for.
Airmaniac
Member
Oh, in that case, I’ll take both.
LucasBagoDoce
Member
Honestly either one would work fine. I believe I’d go with HBCD only first, but if you decide to come out with a mix with Carb10 due to higher popularity and cost, would buy it also without thinking twice.
sns8778
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Yeah, I'm on the fence with this one because I think that the combination would sell better; but I'm a huge fan of HBCD myself and like the flexibility to dose it higher, but it is significantly more expensive.
MrKleen73
Legend
As much as I love HBCD, the cost is often a bit much for me to stomach so I would be more likely to go for the more economical approach myself but I think many would jump on the solo HBCD option as well.
LucasBagoDoce
Member
I would love a HBCD solo product. But being realistic, the carb10 + hbcd complex would be more cost effective for the customers and especially for you as well…
If that ends up as the final idea, I don’t think there’s any need to worry… lots of positive feedback from us for the complex as well. We’d all buy it lol
Hyde
Legend
I’m not sure that the people most worried about the price/serving are going to like the price of a product that contains any HBCD. You just can’t get a ribeye for the price of a Big Mac.
MrKleen73
Legend
Great point! I will be happy to split the difference and settle for a good quality Sirloin!!!
Hyde
Legend
aaronuconn
Well-known member
Does this make Gatorade powder a London Broil?
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
Any update on the Glycomyx product?
sns8778
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I've figured out the specs and what exactly we want to do and have sources for all of the raw materials.
I haven't decided on a name for it yet. Have to decide on a name, get the label done, and then get it into the production lineup.
I do need to go ahead and finalize this - just had so many different things going on at one time.
sns8778
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Ha. That's pretty good and catchy haha.
I was trying to decide whether to play off of glycogen or if needed to be more direct with it to let people know by the name that it was a carb source.
Mike Arnold
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SUPER, RIDICULOUSLY expensive!
jgraves31
Member
How expensive?
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
HBCD all the way
sns8778
Board Sponsor
HBCD all the way
I definitely plan on doing an HBCD product because I honestly can't find one to even use myself from a brand that I trust and that I like the taste of. There are some brands I trust that offer one, but they are either insanely marked up or I don't like the flavors of them.
aloosecannon
Member
I'll be waiting for the Cytomax like product. I still have some in my stash, but it won't last forever.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
That must be nice haha. I've been out for a long time. This is one of those I have to be smart about it and resist the urge to rush that product just bc I want it so bad haha.
sns8778
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Since this thread is back to having some activity to it, I would like to ask a few questions.
- For an HBCD, if you could pick 2 flavors what would they be? (For me, they would be between Blue Raspberry Popsicle, Pink Grapefruit, Blackberry Mojito, Rocket Pop, and Tea flavors)
- For a carb blend with Purple Sweet Potato, Oat Powder, and Glucomannan - what ratios would you like to see? I personally don't care about the Glucomannan being in it; I'm not against it, I just don't care either way. But my thought would be 25 grams carbs per scoop and I would like a 50:50 split between the Sweet Potato and the Oats.
a.c.614
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TheMrMuscle
Well-known member
For flavors i really enjoy Cherry in my intra. Lately ive also found a Blackcurrant that taste awesome. But in general id say one sweet and one sour is probably the best bet.
Segansational
Well-known member
I'd opt for something lightly fruit flavored, light enough so that when mixing with other flavored intras it wouldn't be overpowering or clashing. Because realistically I'll be mixing with some type of BCAA/EAA powder, which are usually flavored.
Hyde
Legend
Unflavored and Lemon-Lime, due to their ability to mix with all kinds of amino or preWO products.
An unflavored is also useful for the folks who throw it into protein shakes pre or post. I don’t do this, but there’s a solid reason unflavored exists.
Otherwise, the sky is the limit. I enjoy all of those flavors mentioned.
An unflavored is also useful for the folks who throw it into protein shakes pre or post. I don’t do this, but there’s a solid reason unflavored exists.
Otherwise, the sky is the limit. I enjoy all of those flavors mentioned.
LucasBagoDoce
Member
Sour green apple is the sh*t
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Thank you for the feedback from everyone so far.
I do like the idea of doing one sweet and one sour (and we do plan on doing an unflavored) - the only thing with trying to make a tart or sour flavor on the HBCD is I'm not sure how feasible that will be in this case since its a carb. My original thought was for the Blackberry Mojito flavor, to do a Blackberry Mojito sour or either a tart Lemon Lime. I'm just not sure if will be able to get it to taste right in this case. But going to try.
I do like the idea of doing one sweet and one sour (and we do plan on doing an unflavored) - the only thing with trying to make a tart or sour flavor on the HBCD is I'm not sure how feasible that will be in this case since its a carb. My original thought was for the Blackberry Mojito flavor, to do a Blackberry Mojito sour or either a tart Lemon Lime. I'm just not sure if will be able to get it to taste right in this case. But going to try.
Mike Arnold
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That's exactly what my formula looks like. I've been working on whole food powders of EVERY IMAGINABLE variety for 5 years now. I changed my mind about 100 times. I started with a super comprehensive wholefood meal replacement that would've been...by far...the most nutritious bodybuilding meal replacement in the history of this industry, but after 2 manufacturers told me the product would cost me over $70 a unit, I said "No thanks".
I then moved to a less comprehensive, but still pinnacle product. Once again, I scrapped it because everyone I spoke to told me there was no way they could make the product taste anywhere near as good as the competition because of the ingredients in my formula.
After that, I began working with NutraCap (NEVER AGAIN) because they led me to believe they could and would source any ingredient I wanted...and complete the product in 12 weeks. LOL! A full YEAR later they still hadn't even approved the label...and at NutraCap, the label needs to be approved BEFORE they will make your product. In other words, a YEAR LATER they had accomplished virtually nothing...and they tried to blaming me! Unbelievable. I should've believed all the bad reviews I saw before hiring them. It was so bad that it took 4+ months just to try and correct a SINGLE label issue. Why? After I first gave them the label, it took them two whole months to even review it...and when they did, they told me that something needed to be changed...and I made the change in one day. It then took them ANOTHER 2 months (I'm not shitting you) to review the correction...and once they did, thy told me that they had a made a mistake and that I needed to change the label back to what it was before! Yes, I'm serious. At that point I asked for my money back and they promptly complied...because I had email proof of their employees admitting that they hadn't held up to their end of the bargain (in regards to production timeframes).
After That I went back to my original manufacturer (who I should've stuck with all along) and contemplated making a whole food based product with added low-dose EAAs, but again, I scrapped it because I just didn't feel confident about it.
It's only been in the last two months that I finally put together some innovative formulas that are both super nutritious and (will be) awesome tasting. However, unlike the prior products, these are solely carb powders...similar to 5% Nutrition's Sweet Potato carb powder, but more nutritious and with more ingredients. Like you, I decided on splitting the sweet potato/purple sweet potato and oats 50/50. Using 100% purple sweet potato makes the product too expensive and also limits the favor profile because oats are so easy to flavor. You can make oats taste like almost anything.
Hyde
Legend
If you are going to do a Blackberry Mojito Focus, having HBCD in that flavor would be pretty cool.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
I'm looking to do a Blackberry Mojito flavor in Focus XT and also thinking about doing that flavor in the upcoming SNS EAA product and maybe doing a sour version of it in the upcoming CEL intra/EAA product.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Thanks for the input.
I'm sorry to hear that you've had some negative experiences with contract manufacturers. I've had my fair share of those in the past myself, but I'm pretty happy with the ones that we use now. I do formulation and raw material sourcing for quite a few brands and a big part of that is helping to align brands with contract manufacturers that will best suit their needs - so I have good relationships with and access to a lot of good contract manufacturers. The main thing from my side is that we have so many sku's that I've been trying to balance increasing inventory levels with coming out with new products and that's a constant juggling act.
I love the science and formulation side of things and I have more formulas at some stage of design process than would ever be feasible to actually come out with - I've had to take a step back on that and there's a process I use now to gauge demand on things and I make sure for the most part that I bring things out that people want and that will sell well versus just things that I would like for myself haha. (Like me really wanting to do a Cytomax competitor - I do think it would sell, but its very low profit and my main motivation is just wanting one for me haha).
I'm leaning towards doing a carbohydrate product like this with purple sweet potato, sweet potato, and gluten free oats. I will probably start it off unflavored or possibly unflavored and then maybe one flavor.
I'm also looking at doing a product that has 50 grams of carbs to 50 grams of protein in at least 2 flavors shortly after we get our protein powders released, which will hopefully be by the end of the year.
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
What brand cluster dextrin do you use?
TheMrMuscle
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I usually just get a Swedish brand that has the Cluster Dextrin from Glico: Invalid Link Removed