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Women...

Why would a guy want to get married these days? We can have anything from a fling to a long term committed relationship without any issues legally or morally. If there are kids we're no worse or better off married. Meanwhile most divorces are initiated by women and result in a guy who looks like he got ****ed by a Mack truck. Too many women have expectations and desires which just don't match the reality of what an every day guy can deliver. So why should we try? Where's the benefit?

At 33 years old you don't see why. There is a possiblity you may see it after 45. Then again, you may never see why you need to get married.

1. As I get older I have someone that I can share my past, present, and future with.

2. Where ever I go I experiance things with someone else, which adds to the enjoyment of the experiance.

3. Sooner or later I may need help getting off the floor, being feed, or clothed. Which is not something I look forward to paying someone to do. Or possibly I in turn may need to do the above for someone else.

4. I have someone that challenges and supports me to be a better person than I think I am.
 
At 33 years old you don't see why. There is a possiblity you may see it after 45. Then again, you may never see why you need to get married.

1. As I get older I have someone that I can share my past, present, and future with.

2. Where ever I go I experiance things with someone else, which adds to the enjoyment of the experiance.

3. Sooner or later I may need help getting off the floor, being feed, or clothed. Which is not something I look forward to paying someone to do. Or possibly I in turn may need to do the above for someone else.

4. I have someone that challenges and supports me to be a better person than I think I am.

which of those things require having a marriage license, vs being in a long term relationship? I'm married 14 years btw, but don't see that anything there is something that requires being married for.
 
which of those things require having a marriage license, vs being in a long term relationship? I'm married 14 years btw, but don't see that anything there is something that requires being married for.

Did I forget to put down the joint tax exemption? Its all down to Values at some point. Long term relationships = cannot commit. Some see it as paper, some see it as more than that.
 
At 33 years old you don't see why. There is a possiblity you may see it after 45. Then again, you may never see why you need to get married.

Let me rephraase though: why would I want to marry one of the crop of modern, insane, bridezilla watching, reality TV addicted, wallet raping women that seem to be all over the place displacing decent women with personalities, careers, and a sense of ethics and reality?

1. As I get older I have someone that I can share my past, present, and future with.

Definitely a good thing. The problem is there is a 50% chance the person you decide to share your past, present, and future with will go to a court and say from now she just wants to share your pay check.

2. Where ever I go I experiance things with someone else, which adds to the enjoyment of the experiance.

You can get that with a friend. Admittedly I know what you're going for is different, all I'm saying is one can have meaningful experiences without necessarily endangering their income for the next 50 years.

3. Sooner or later I may need help getting off the floor, being feed, or clothed. Which is not something I look forward to paying someone to do. Or possibly I in turn may need to do the above for someone else.

And if you find the Princess Bride type of True Love you may find someone willing to wipe your rear. God bless everyone who is like that. Most people get committed to a home though it seems. Once more I see your point and acknowledge it, but I think it's a lot less attainable then your statement implies.

4. I have someone that challenges and supports me to be a better person than I think I am.

My racquetball partner does that.

Kudos to anyone who pulls it off, finds 'the right person' and gets married and lives happily ever after. Like I said, I know a few and they're aces in my book. I love the guys and the girls in those relationships, they're all cool as can be. But they are not the norm in my experience. The norm in my experience is blah to miserable marriages with the women causing most of the misery and/or initiating the divorce on a no fault basis and still getting to run away with half the guy's net worth. If avoiding that means I have to go to Paris alone or with a 'friend', or even a frigging escort, so be it.

Most women seem to want a wedding out of a God damn story book, and even if they're willing to share the cost the end result is the couple is in hock for years. **** that ****.

Most women seem to want a ten pound rock to prove your love to them, and after receiving it they cut off at least the blow jobs if not all sex. **** that ****.

Most divorce laws are slanted to favor women in terms of division of the assets and custody if there are kids involved. Which means even if the marriage fails and it's no one in particular's fault, the guy still has to support her and the kids but basically loses all effective say in how his money is spent and how his kids are raised. Few states protect the rights of noncustodial parents, usually fathers, so the guy may end up funding a family in another state with some other schmuck raising his kids with his ****ing money paying for his ex wife's new car and part of her mortgage. **** that ****.

Show me an honest woman who believe in true equality (as opposed to the BS version where the guy does everything he was expected to do before and most to all of her work too), likes sex as much as me and wants to keep it going depsite the ring on her finger, is as financially responsible as I am, and who is at least somewhat rational about how the world works, and I'll be on that like stink on rice. If it's just the usual crop though, then we're going casual and staying that way.
 
Did I forget to put down the joint tax exemption? Its all down to Values at some point. Long term relationships = cannot commit. Some see it as paper, some see it as more than that.

I'm with you on the concept. I just think the raw material is dwindling on both sides, at least for now.
 
Most divorce laws are slanted to favor women in terms of division of the assets and custody if there are kids involved.

You think they would amend "no-fault" statutes to reflect the context of divorce, say, for any divorce not in 1959 - but no, not as of yet. I am all for supporting the rights of women who cannot obtain viable work in 1949, "but this ain't 1949".
 
It does amaze me what standard of living some ex husbands endure so that the ex wife doesn't end up with a reduced standard of living...
 
It does amaze me what standard of living some ex husbands endure so that the ex wife doesn't end up with a reduced standard of living...

Yup. And they're input is just as relevant to me as the input from the happily married to get a realistic view of what marriage may entail. And so far as I can see the potential misery out weighs the benefits unless you find a perfect match.
 
This has been an interesting thread to say the least. With that said I am not going to leave any input of my own lol.
 
This thread was a very interesting read.
I agreed with some posts and disagreed with others.
IMHO, marriage is not for all humans despite what people may have been taught.
Aging may change someone;s view of it or it may reinforce the views they already have.
(ie about half my relatives in the 50-75 range have been married the other half never married and both sides seem to have similar amounts of happiness and pain about heir choices).

It is up to the individual to choose whether they want a marriage, long term non legal commitment, casual flings, open marriage, to be alone or any mixture of the above.
And when one does realize what one wants, be honest about it so as to try to avoid hurting the person you might become involved with.

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I am married. As I see it it's all about having kids & wanting to share the love and create something of value. Sure u might fail, but u may succeed. I know many who died old and lonely. Man that's something ugly & heartwrenching. If your chicken about life u may as well not get up out of bed in the morning. Don't live a half life by studying the failure & ignorant around u. This is 2010! If u fear the financial part get a proper prenup! They work pretty good! Stopfocusing on failue! U r what u think about! Imagine if u did that with every endeavour! You would be a gem of a human being, full of negativity & venom! With a defeatest attitude you must be a lot of fun to be around! LOL (sarcasm).
 
Yeah I am religious, so I choose to be celibate untill.. well... the right person. There is plenty of times I could of had sex not all of them were pretty lol. I find it more meaningful to save it for my wedding day. I might act like a jack ass in my threads but it's just for fun lol. I hope this summer im not tempted too much hopefully these prohormones kill my libido jk. God bless
 
Most women are attracted to CONFIDENCE! Never open up like that!!!!! It's the opposite of what they want!


TRUTH. Never reveal your intentions untill you absolutely know her.

This has bitten me in the arse more than once.

Good advice... and it goes double for someone you've never been physically intimate with. You come off needy, whether you are or not. Your attractiveness to that woman goes down, and you get a quick trip to the
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Enjoy.

Keep a little mystery about yourself, it's attractive to the opposite sex.

Again, THIS.

Obviously not every women will stick around forever through this. Otherwise they would never get married.

But hold out for quite some time with this. At least until you know if she's a snake in hot chicks clothing or not. Even then it's hard to know how they will react if you say you want to settle. But eventually you have to roll the dice, ie **** or get off the pot.
 
Oh and I think this should really be posted.

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I also pretty much have fallen in love with CDB in this thread... :censored::tongue2:
 
Oh and I think this should really be posted.

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I also pretty much have fallen in love with CDB in this thread... :censored::tongue2:

Haha, I should have known that this site existed. Gonna have to take a look when I get home.
 
i've turned to hookaz / escorts now... before any of you call me a loser or something, just hear me out for a sec...

1. They're obviously professionals in sexual activity. They're comparable to pornstars as oppose to ur drunk club chick who isn't really that good at anything.

2. Safety. Contrary to what most believe, these sex workers do emphasise safety as a high priority. Can't say the same for drunk chicks i've met at clubs / pubs

3. Availability. You call, they show... I work a very busy job and amongst that try to manage training. I don't have the option of getting drunk every friday and chasing some useless brat in a club, for a blowjob. Amongst this, you got to put up with the princess attitude.

4. Well you're essentially the one paying for your dates and buying drinks so what's the difference.

If you're looking for love then obviously this is not for you, but i'm just looking for physical relationship.
 
i've turned to hookaz / escorts now... before any of you call me a loser or something, just hear me out for a sec...

1. They're obviously professionals in sexual activity. They're comparable to pornstars as oppose to ur drunk club chick who isn't really that good at anything.

2. Safety. Contrary to what most believe, these sex workers do emphasise safety as a high priority. Can't say the same for drunk chicks i've met at clubs / pubs

3. Availability. You call, they show... I work a very busy job and amongst that try to manage training. I don't have the option of getting drunk every friday and chasing some useless brat in a club, for a blowjob. Amongst this, you got to put up with the princess attitude.

4. Well you're essentially the one paying for your dates and buying drinks so what's the difference.

If you're looking for love then obviously this is not for you, but i'm just looking for physical relationship.

Paying for it just seems like it would be a huge turnoff for me... though I can't really argue with the points above haha.

To each his own.
 
Some of the things yall are saying here are offensive to other members of this forum...

I mean if you have such a problem with women maybe you should just give up....

I managed to find my match by not looking, it seemed the harder I tried to look the more duds I would find. After being burned really bad I just said F it and went on with my life. Next thing you know the right one found me....

-James

Nut up or shut up.... Grow a pair, quite being a whiny biatch and move on with life...
 
Part of the problem I have with women is I never had a lot of confidence. Part of the reason I workout. Now I don't care as much, because most girls I have across are bitches. Guys say they are the same everywhere, but somehow I think I'll have an easier time somewhere else. I really hate MD girls. Most of the girls around here are into rap, hip-hop, drugs, alcohol. Definitely not what I'm into. So, I can't relate to most of them.

You are correct! I'm not into rap girls either. It will be easier somewhere else!
 
Well I am half white and half chinese and like country music lol. I wonder how many girls who like country like asians lol.
 
It can be a different, yet equally frustrating, can of worms. There's usually a higher level of social and emotional maturity. But, there are drawbacks as well: If the chick's divorced, she's bitter as hell. If she's never been married, there's usually a reason why!

Catch-22.

Oh, what I'd give to just be a promiscuous gay man over here in the SF Bay Area. No... wait...

OMFG where were you when I started dating a 26 year old chick when I was 20....bitch ended up being nuts....always talking **** to me for being so young, well I must be doing something right because I was married once upon a time...

Speaking of fatty boob men...dude my ex wife got married to is way bigger than me, but I bet I could punch through his fat manboobs...he must make money...

Oh before people go wha wha whaaa your divorced? I got divorced because she tried to pull a fast one and force me to have kids at 20. F that.
 
eh. Just realized this was a super old thread. cdb you rule though, and zerov much respect mate!
 
All so many times many guys think that it is like burger king where you can have it your way.

Life is not a list of things you want and get. There are chances that one may take. I try my best not to take a friend's experience and use it to make my choice. "well jimbo's wife sucked the mail man off so, I'm not getting married".
I see way too much of that in this thread.
Pretty stuning considering that many of you are accomplishing feats in life that you probably witnessed others fail at, namely health/fitness for one. I know some of you have doubted yourselves before only to find out that the thought process was a waste of time.
 
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