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Def not placebo. I've been doing this for quite awhile. Yeah the good old days of designers like superdrol and pheraplex are over and these dhea products will never compare. But they do provide a little extra for your training. But yes price to performance at the current dosing is a problem, I agree.
 
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If I dose it appropriately my remaining two bottles will last me 2 weeks. EQ needs to be run at 8 week minimum
I really believe a dose of 4/day offers great results. I personally wouldn't dose the product over 6/day because I dont think there would be much added benefit to 8 or more a day, just more side effects.

EQ when it is attached to an undecylenate(as per Equipoise injectables) should be run for 8+ weeks, as they take ~3 weeks for the ester to cleave, and the hormone free to attach to androgen receptors.

In this instance however, even with the attached ester, when consuming orally the active hormone becomes anabolically active within 24 hours. There is no ramp up time like there is for a traditional injectable long estered compound.
 
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In this instance however, even with the attached ester, when consuming orally the active hormone becomes anabolically active within 24 hours. There is no ramp up time like there is for a traditional injectable long estered compound.
is there any information available to prove this? What does anabolically active mean?
 
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If I dose it appropriately my remaining two bottles will last me 2 weeks. EQ needs to be run at 8 week minimum
is there any information available to prove this? What does anabolically active mean?
what specifically are you asking here for? sorry, I want to make sure I answer you as directly as possible. Do you mean what evidence is there that the compound itself becomes able to interact with androgen receptors in a short time, or do you mean that a long ester takes time for it to degrade before the hormone itself is active?

Has to take two steps to be active I thought
you're correct, two steps to be active, however the human body has 2 specific enzyme which facilitate this reaction. While it's too early to tell now if one is superior to the other, the results we've seen both in house and from end users has been phenomenal. On paper, one would think the less conversions needed, the better...however past hormonal precedence shows that this is not ALWAYS the case. The easiest example I can provide is the differences in results from 1-AD to pure 1-Testosterone. When 1-AD came out, people got great results but you needed a large dose. So when 1-Testosterone became available, the logical view was that since it didn't require conversion, it would bring with it better gains at a lower dose...yet for some reason that is still not understood, 1-AD provided better overall gains/results for users than what the equivalent dose of 1-Testosterone did. Hormones are funky as all hell, and a lot of times we realize the most logical explanation doesn't end up being the correct explanation...as annoying as that may be for all of us at times
 
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Yes, what evidence is there that this EQ product becomes "anabolically active" within 24 hours.
And what does anabolically active mean?
 

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Personally the gains I saw from PA's original 1-ad were sub-par at best. The strongest oral still "legally" available in my opinion is Trestolone.
 
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Yes, what evidence is there that this EQ product becomes "anabolically active" within 24 hours.
And what does anabolically active mean?
What I mean by "anabolically active" is that the hormone is free floating within the blood, and able to bind with androgen receptors. When we inject our bodies with traditional anabolic steroids, we're injecting both the base hormone as well as an ester or "tail" that is chemically bonded to the hormone. This ester/tail makes the hormone incapable of binding to androgen receptors, as they are unable to "fit" into the receptor.

Over time, the body is able to break down the ester, which leaves you with just the base hormone itself, which can then go seek out androgen receptors, bind to them, and activate the gene expression necessary for muscle growth via protein synthesis and the other known MOA's.

So, if you were to inject yourself with Boldenone undecylenate, your body would first have to break down the undecylenate ester, and then and only then would the boldenone be able to impact anabolic action within your body. The same goes for every steroid that is esterfied, however each ester has a unique degradation time which modifies how long it takes to become active. Some quicker acting esters are things like propionate and acetate (test prop or tren ace), whereas things like undecylenate and decanoate are much longer esters. This is why some use an oral to "kick start" a cycle as the orals kick in and you have a great cycle, and just as youre finishing up with your oral, the injectable long ester is fully kicked in and ready to roll.


The Texas A&M study using 1-DHEA showed in a clinical setting that these compounds are anabolically active in that they convert to the target hormone within a matter of hours, and can express muscle mass changes. When we add an ester to these hormones for oral delivery, it slows their digestion down by a bit, but not enough to cause MAJOR changes. I am personally not a fan of esterfication of oral compounds like this...because the stomach cleaves that bond much faster than I think is worth while
 
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Personally the gains I saw from PA's original 1-ad were sub-par at best. The strongest oral still "legally" available in my opinion is Trestolone.
trestolone is a whole different beast, and is not a prohormone but a full fledged anabolic steroid
 
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we havent done any logs yet for equibolin, hopefully soon.

the reviews from end users that we've been contacted about however are all positive ones, saying that the compound/product is behaving exactly like the old Bold200 style product from 2004-2009.





not sure on a current ETA on this one, but hopefully soon!



na man. it's either 50lbs of lean muscle in a week or bust.
holla! guess i'll have to keep busting my ass in the gym 5 days a week and riding my bike until that comes out
 
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trestolone is a whole different beast, and is not a prohormone but a full fledged anabolic steroid
yes it is, and a beautiful one trans dermal stacked with msten. which reminds me, time for my evening dose.
 
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Wish I knew this before I bought 4 bottles of equibolin.
Same. Can I return my $70 dollar bottles of Equibolin and replace them with what you come out with whatever you come out next that is more superior? Or just between friends, can you sell me like 10g of 1,4DHEA powder? I'd sign I waiver saying I wouldn't resell it, but use it myself.
 
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trestolone is a whole different beast, and is not a prohormone but a full fledged anabolic steroid
Trestolone is the best anabolic on the market, that works great, and will absolutely give you gyno at some point or another. LOL...

I love the EQ, but hi-techs dose is extremely under dosed. It's a shame, cuz everything about HT's EQ is great(minus the original), other than being low dosed.
 

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I just went through 3 bottles of Equibolin at 4 tabs/ed. The plan was to run 5 bottles but I got injuried and was unable to do any serious training so I dropped the cycle halfways and went to PCT instead.
Unfortunately I can´t say I noticed anything special on Equibolin but I also know that I cut the cycle short so this wasn´t a good try out.

I will save my last two bottles and try to get my hands on the new "high dosed" product to the next cycle and hope for better luck then... or maybe just stop messing around with the PH game and get back to the dark side.... ;)
 
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The old formula, which probably had significantly more conversion to EQ, needed to be run at 600-1200mg/day. Having said that, it worked VERY well at those doses. I'd imagine to get some real results here, we'd need to take at least that same amount and for 20 weeks, instead of 10 weeks.

I like the effort but keep trying. We need to strive for innovation but so many pro hormones no a days are white washed products.

They remind me of socialism - utopian concepts that don't pan out in real life.
 
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I agree. Those pills should be 400mg a pop. Take about 4-5 of those per day and now we're talking!
 
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I agree. Those pills should be 400mg a pop. Take about 4-5 of those per day and now we're talking!
yea, thats not going to happen...because of the INSANE price point (You're talking about a $150 bottle), and the fact that 1600-2000mg/day of this stuff would be extremely unhealthy.
 
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yea, thats not going to happen...because of the INSANE price point (You're talking about a $150 bottle), and the fact that 1600-2000mg/day of this stuff would be extremely unhealthy.
Any more unhealthy than just 400-600mg of EQ? Maybe since being oral it could stress the liver out, I could see that. But if EQ is so benign, (assuming you are taking Nattokinase or some other anti-coagulant to keep blood healthy as well as calcium channel blockers) I'm trying to understand how something that converts to even less amounts of the same target hormone would be any more unhealthy, unless you are suggesting a moderate dose of EQ is extremely unhealthy.

-Stressing the liver I can understand, and therefore maybe cholesterol issues too
-Perhaps the pre-cursor hormones have side effects on their own?

I have a difference of opinion with this idea that somehow the less potent, less effective pre-cursors to target steroids are a safer option than the banned, well-studied and modestly-priced steroids. I think we've all bought into the idea that the more effective a steroid is, the more harmful it is. At mg for mg comparisons, this may be true. But we overlook the fact that more effective steroids do not require as high of dosages to get similar results as do the weaker ones.

Trestolone Acetate and Testosterone P/E/C come to mind. You'd have to run 1000mg/wk of Test to get similar results from only 300-400mg/wk of Trestolone. Similar stories can be heard between pro-hormones and actual steroids.

That said, I remember the pro-steroid Dienolone, which behaved a bit differently than straight Dienolone. One was dry and one was wet. Both were ridiculously good at increasing muscle fullness, hardness and strength though. The point is that the pre-cursor has side effects all on its own that the daughter and target steroid did not.

Anyways, it was just my opinion, which is grounded in research and experience, but certainly not 100% fact-based.
 
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There will be some liver impact yes, but 2000mg/day of this stuff gets to insane doses.

With our delivery system, you're absorbing 90+ of the active into the blood stream, or 1,800mg. From there, lets say on the absolute lowest end of ~10%. You now have 180mg of boldenone in your blood stream, every single day, 7 days a week...1,260mg of boldenone per week. thats quite the dose.

This is all assuming a very very very low conversion, whereas it should be significantly higher in real life. Doses like this are wayyyy higher than what is needed.



Let compare that to your 400-600mg EQ/week dosing.

EQ is 61% by weight active hormone (the Undecylenate accounts for 39% of the weight). So that means your body sees 244-366mg of Boldenone per week.


So if you took 1,4-andro and it converted at a very low dose, and you ran 2000mg/day, youd be giving your body 4-5x more boldenone than a traditional EQ cycle.
 
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Again, we'd have to assume the conversion rate. I might believe 10% of it were a 1-step conversion. Also, are there other fates the pre-cursor can take other than straight into Boldenone? There may be all sorts of things that reduce the conversion rate of this stuff. The old Bold needed 600+ mg/day, granted it didn't have the liposomal technology that this one has, but it also only had a one-step conversion.

I'm not trying to derail interest in your product, btw. I'm just tired of seeing underdosed stuff. I'd much rather pay $100 a bottle a KNEW it would perform rather than purchasing it for a 1/3 or 1/2 that price and got little to nothing from it.

We need actual clinical trials of this stuff to see what it really does in regards to conversion rates.

If this stuff really works, it will be no doubt in the users mind because EQ contributes to vascularity and pumps within days of the first injection.

Spend the extra money on unbiased clinical trials with blood work and bake that back into the cost. If it really does work and you have proof that it does, you'll be able to sell it at a premium because none of the other current PH's do anything worth talking about.
 
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being a 2 step conversion is not necessarily a bad thing, as we have 2 different enzymes which catalyze these reactions.


this stuff converts at a decently high rate, with 10% being a minimum.


what doses did people run 1-AD at back in the day? What doses are people running our 1-Andro at now? almost identical and the results off of 1-andro with enhanced delivery are phenomenal
 
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being a 2 step conversion is not necessarily a bad thing, as we have 2 different enzymes which catalyze these reactions.


this stuff converts at a decently high rate, with 10% being a minimum.


what doses did people run 1-AD at back in the day? What doses are people running our 1-Andro at now? almost identical and the results off of 1-andro with enhanced delivery are phenomenal
Well while we're on the subject, do you have any products that are better suited for women?
 
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Hormonal products you mean?
Yes, like suitable substitutes for Anavar, Anadrol etc. Not interested in anything androgenic obviously. DHT derivatives are probably out of the question too.
 

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Finished my 8 week run at 400mg ed. Gained about 7lbs (168-175lb) of good clean muscle. Strength went up on all lifts, but that is expected w weight & muscle gain. No sides to speak of other than some lethargy early on. I was also using primeval labs cardarine so my endurance was insane. Overall not a bad product, but a little under dosed Imo. I would love to see a new tren product hit the marketplace...
 

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So what up with the new boldione an tren PH? Soon?
 
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doing our best to move on them ASAP, these things take a long time unfortunately
 

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Still in the making! I am glad to know thank you
 
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because its a crap steroid...
 
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any updates? and any reviews on Equibolin?
 

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any updates? and any reviews on Equibolin?
Honestly, I have not ran it and I have no seen any true logs/reviews. Maybe we will have to do a promo. Thanks for bumping this.
 
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Honestly, I have not ran it and I have no seen any true logs/reviews. Maybe we will have to do a promo. Thanks for bumping this.
My oldest brother ran 4 tabs of HI TECH 1AD (1DHEA), 4 tabs of Androdiol (4DHEA) and 4 tabs of Equibolin (1,4DHEA) 8 werks all together. He said even creatine and some other natural supps was better than this run.
 

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My oldest brother ran 4 tabs of HI TECH 1AD (1DHEA), 4 tabs of Androdiol (4DHEA) and 4 tabs of Equibolin (1,4DHEA) 8 werks all together. He said even creatine and some other natural supps was better than this run.
Aren't his he exaggerating a bit? Creatine better really?
 
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Aren't his he exaggerating a bit? Creatine better really?
He did not mean 100% ofcourse but those andros gave him nothing.
If we take a look at 1dhea study, its pretty impressive. I believe its underdosed
 

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He did not mean 100% ofcourse but those andros gave him nothing.
If we take a look at 1dhea study, its pretty impressive. I believe its underdosed
Primordial performance had their 1t back in the day with similar dose and it was working great, so the delivery system is not working as good as the liquid vase of primordial performance.

Here what was in 1T

Supplement Facts


1-Androsterone™

52 mg**


DHEA

45 mg**


Pregnenolone

8 mg**

So there is 3 options
1) your brother does not respond well to it
2) I respond well to it
3) High tech miss the delivery system on it
 
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Primordial performance had their 1t back in the day with similar dose and it was working great, so the delivery system is not working as good as the liquid vase of primordial performance.

Here what was in 1T

Supplement Facts


1-Androsterone™

52 mg**


DHEA

45 mg**


Pregnenolone

8 mg**

So there is 3 options
1) your bother does not respond well to it
2) I respond well to it
3) High tech miss the delivery system on it
He may not be responding to those DHEAs
 

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He may not be responding to those DHEAs
Did he run anything before that? Me I ran the PP 1 t about 6-7 year ago and before that 5 year I ran gaspari M1T, maybe my receptor were really clean, that why I got good result with 1 andro at that dose.
 
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Did he run anything before that? Me I ran the PP 1 t about 6-7 year ago and before that 5 year I ran gaspari M1T, maybe my receptor were really clean, that why I got good result with 1 andro at that dose.
Yes he did a AAS cycle 2-3 years before. He wanted something mild this time time
 
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Yes he did a AAS cycle 2-3 years before. He wanted something mild this time time
I dont think its anything more then the dose. I think they do have potential but not at these doses even with cyclosome.
 

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Primordial performance had their 1t back in the day with similar dose and it was working great, so the delivery system is not working as good as the liquid vase of primordial performance.

Here what was in 1T

Supplement Facts


1-Androsterone™

52 mg**


DHEA

45 mg**


Pregnenolone

8 mg**

So there is 3 options
1) your brother does not respond well to it
2) I respond well to it
3) High tech miss the delivery system on it
Their liqua-vade delivery system was actually really, really good! I respond better to their oral Sustain Alpha than the TD version that SHOULD be better...
But for 1T the TD was superior. PP was expensive but they delivered. R.I.P
 

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