Why is Yellowjacket banned here? Oh nevermind he wasnt!
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Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Set up?!? Oh god thats funny....
Its all a conspiracy...we are out to get you all....muhahaha
Come on...
Its all a conspiracy...we are out to get you all....muhahaha
Come on...
windwords7
Well-known member
Geared up, your a good guy but I am amazed at your response. HIS OWN POSTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. What else do you need. Read what he posted, its obvious he has lied. There is nothing more to be said.
I dont get it????
windwords7
Well-known member
Conspiracy, you have got to be kidding me.... 
Chemo is dead on, this BS claim is a very typical YJ diversion tactic. If any of you have actually spent any amount of time at all with him you would know that. You all fail to realize that I have spent nearly EVERY DAY for the last year with the guy on AIM, the forums, and the telephone. We have talked for countless hours about buisness and personal stuff. I KNOW him, not just of him. Furthermore, I was one of his greatest champions when he was banned on BB.com and stood by him when almost no one else did.
If you dont have the knowledge and personal exp. to speak to this issue then you should be keeping your mouth shut.
Chemo is dead on, this BS claim is a very typical YJ diversion tactic. If any of you have actually spent any amount of time at all with him you would know that. You all fail to realize that I have spent nearly EVERY DAY for the last year with the guy on AIM, the forums, and the telephone. We have talked for countless hours about buisness and personal stuff. I KNOW him, not just of him. Furthermore, I was one of his greatest champions when he was banned on BB.com and stood by him when almost no one else did.
If you dont have the knowledge and personal exp. to speak to this issue then you should be keeping your mouth shut.
As for the conspiracy let me clear my stance on that right away: I never said or thought there was a conspiracy, I asked this question because YJ told me on my board he was banned here!
All I ever wanted was to hear either an apology from him, have him admit to it or have him give his side explaining the original post about him and others made to a rational believing!
I am going back to school and will be going to Law school so things like this mean something to me, especially when I have had things happen to me like this before by a scammer that got pissed because I ruin ed his business he tried to ruin my name and almost falsely did!
All I ever wanted was to hear either an apology from him, have him admit to it or have him give his side explaining the original post about him and others made to a rational believing!
I am going back to school and will be going to Law school so things like this mean something to me, especially when I have had things happen to me like this before by a scammer that got pissed because I ruin ed his business he tried to ruin my name and almost falsely did!
Kitchen Chemist
Active member
YellowJacket said:
YellowJacket said:
Definately two of the most heartless attacks i've seen by any member on any forum. Go **** yourself YJ!
pogue
Banned
I saw all those posts a long time ago when I was putting together the sticky for bodybuilding.com supps forum (best of sticky). Anyways, I read all the stupid questions YJ posted and didn't think twice about it. I just kind of chuckled and went on my way.
I really don't see what the problem is. He said he did some steroids that he might not of done, but besides that we were all newbies once. I bet if we go back and look at all our old posts on bb.com we'll find some stupid questions/responses we made to someones question that we now all know better about.
I don't think having done something specifically mediates people to give advise about it. I give advise about products I've never used. I get my information from other people who have used it, or from websites I've read about or studies.
This is the kind of drama that I really don't care for. I come to boards to read about what I want to learn and discuss, I'm not interested in politics and bickering between board members.
I would still listen to YJs advise, despite what was posted. My main concern is for my general knowledge, and I take what is said with a grain of salt from everybody, because everybody has bias and motives on the side. ESPECIALLY by those who are pushing a product.
I think all of you are very quick to judge. We all have skeletons in our closet, and we all have said or done things in the past that we regret.
So if you want to fight, and bitch over who knows more, who has more experience and who does what then knock yourselves out. I'll be somewhere else.
I really don't see what the problem is. He said he did some steroids that he might not of done, but besides that we were all newbies once. I bet if we go back and look at all our old posts on bb.com we'll find some stupid questions/responses we made to someones question that we now all know better about.
I don't think having done something specifically mediates people to give advise about it. I give advise about products I've never used. I get my information from other people who have used it, or from websites I've read about or studies.
This is the kind of drama that I really don't care for. I come to boards to read about what I want to learn and discuss, I'm not interested in politics and bickering between board members.
I would still listen to YJs advise, despite what was posted. My main concern is for my general knowledge, and I take what is said with a grain of salt from everybody, because everybody has bias and motives on the side. ESPECIALLY by those who are pushing a product.
I think all of you are very quick to judge. We all have skeletons in our closet, and we all have said or done things in the past that we regret.
So if you want to fight, and bitch over who knows more, who has more experience and who does what then knock yourselves out. I'll be somewhere else.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Pogue, go look at kitchen chemists post and read the quotes. This is the type of person we are dealing with. You think its just lies, but its not. If you want to defend someone that blatanly degrades others personally, then have fun. He had the chance to defedn himself. That was his response. You judge for yourself after that.
windwords7
Well-known member
Thankfully someone sees the truth. Thanks Bobo for showing such stellar common sense.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
pogue said:
Go find every debate that got out of hand, flame war, or general problem and look who is in the middle of it EVERY TIME! If you don't want to be involved with this type of stuff, YJ is definetly not your man.
pogue
Banned
Bobo said:
Got a link?
Frankly, I don't agree with the way YJ handles himself on occasions and how he can be very insulting towards people. I know this is why there is a vendetta against him, and why those links were posted to "expose" him.
Still, I don't really care. I'm not here to defend anyone. I'm suggesting you need to take a hard look at yourselves before you cast judgement on others.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
windwords7 said:
Well its funny because people seem to have different rules and ethics when its on the internet. If someone did this to them in real life, they wouldn't be singing the same tune. I'm shocked myself. It seems people are trying to find a way to justify this as being "not that bad". And we know this is the just the tip of the iceberg. These degradations have gone on for months on end. Only now are they seeing what some had to deal with on an everyday basis.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
pogue said:
Bro, its two posts above your original. I don't make quick judgements. This has gone on for some time now but most didn't know. This isn't new to me and others. I can assure you if you were in my shoes you wouldn't be defending him in anyway. Please go reread the posts because you will see that we gave him HUGE slack (especially chemo) on just about everything because he did so much for this board. But you can't look blindly forever and it got much MUCH worse. If you did a fraction of what he pulled you would be banned without question. Guess what? He still isn't banned.
windwords7
Well-known member
You know what, if you all knew the stuff that has not been spoken, how deep the lies, the deception, the disloyalty, the reprehensible behavior really went you all wouldn't be singing the same toon. That said, what has been revealed thus far is more than enough. Like Bobo said, if this wasn't the internet you would be singing a very different toon.
Biggs
Well-known member
pogue said:
Good advice, not applicable in this case. This is an internet message board, there are "moderators" and "administrators", there are rules that must be agreed to before posting even begins... this board in particular has its standards set extremely high, as most people know. This is a good thing. I am proud of the way the leadership here has conducted itself, they DO have a job to do. Whether or not they are making personal moral judgments, the best interest of the board as a collective must be taken into account, regardless of how much good advice/work was given on any one individual's part. It is not so simple, at a board like this, to say "**** it, I guess he gave pretty good advice and always pasted mostly good articles, even if he was extremely deceitful in other areas, including his use of many potentially harmful/deadly chemicals". It is also quite irritating to see people with no investment in this board come here, and insult the opinions of people who have spent their internet message board time almost exclusively here. I don't care if you mod at 329 other boards and post at 29999, when you come HERE, there is a whole other set of expectations and you damn well should be held accountable. If your CHOICE is to make 15 posts per day giving heavy and very involved advice on all manner of legal and illegal, you better well have your **** straight. Otherwise, you're just another internet junkie... and as I've already said, this is NOT just another internet forum.
windwords7
Well-known member
Damn that was well said!
Biggs
Well-known member
... by the way, I've seen you non-involved posters from other boards come here and cry "kiss ass"... kindly **** off, and take your non-contributing, non-caring asses elsewhere. Also would like to add that I'll be the first guy to say oh well, let's drop it, improve our attitude, buy a beer a move on, yes I strongly believe in forgive-and-forget, second chances, clean slates etc etc, but when an opportunity presents itself and nothing but insults, arrogance, and attitude are offered... it really doesn't bring anything positive back to the table... man up, grow some balls, admit to some ****, and work from there... by doing nothing to move forward, you either stagnate, or regress.
txwakeskater
Member
Well i dont really care to comment on this, but I still dont understand why if he was/ or is such a FRAUD that you mods didnt say anything? He gave out false information(supposably) that could of killed one of our members? Im hoping the least yall did is tell that person not to take that lethal dose.
I dont care about his past..everybody lies....and yes i was a YJ follower(solely because he helped me out everytime i needed info & he also provided studies to back it up). I would more than likely not be here if it wasnt for him. I have met tons of good bro's here that are now family, learned tons of stuff, and have also found the #1 supplemnt company around(not kissing ass either).
oh yes i also dont agree on all of what YJ says and his actions...Through all of this I still look forward to talking to the man himself.. YJ...
Lemme explain one more thing. I stand neutral on this subject. Im just "rakey" posting another useless rant
I dont care about his past..everybody lies....and yes i was a YJ follower(solely because he helped me out everytime i needed info & he also provided studies to back it up). I would more than likely not be here if it wasnt for him. I have met tons of good bro's here that are now family, learned tons of stuff, and have also found the #1 supplemnt company around(not kissing ass either).
oh yes i also dont agree on all of what YJ says and his actions...Through all of this I still look forward to talking to the man himself.. YJ...
Lemme explain one more thing. I stand neutral on this subject. Im just "rakey" posting another useless rant
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Guys please read what I posted in the sticky thread. You will understand more fully on some if the other issues.
windwords7
Well-known member
Originally posted by txwakeskater
..everybody lies....
oh yes i also dont agree on all of what YJ says and his actions...Through all of this I still look forward to talking to the man himself.. YJ...
No, not everybody lies. People with no integrity do and they deserve to reap what they sow.
Your blind loyalty is laughable and he is far from "the man".
txwakeskater
Member
well maybe i ought to refrase that saying. we all have a few "bones in the closet" or whatever was said above. .
Hmm i post my thoughts and dont bash a single person and i get a bashing back? nor do i get my question answered. ( enless it is in the sticky i havent read yet.)
WTF?
.Hmm i post my thoughts and dont bash a single person and i get a bashing back? nor do i get my question answered. ( enless it is in the sticky i havent read yet.)
WTF?
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Read the last page of the sticky. Its more than just "bones in your closet".
windwords7
Well-known member
Originally posted by txwakeskater
well maybe i ought to refrase that saying. we all have a few "bones in the closet" or whatever was said above.
Hmm i post my thoughts and dont bash a single person and i get a bashing back? nor do i get my question answered. ( enless it is in the sticky i havent read yet.)
WTF?
There is no slam. I am amazed at the few of you who have stated your "its not that big of a deal", "he's still the man" philosophy. I really do find it laughable, not being a smart ass at all. If this was real life I guarantee you you would be saying a whole lot but it would not be "your the man".
Sorry if you felt offended by this but I find this disgusting show of "its not that bad" sickening.txwakeskater
Member
Well it does seem as though the closet is full now. But truly i dont trust anybody 100% so theirfore im staying neutral. Was that person on this board notified of the dosing thing? just wondering...
windwords7
Well-known member
Cool, to each his own. I never stay neutral in a non-neutral situation.
pogue
Banned
I went through and read a little bit of it. I think its really a lot of soap opera drama that I really don't need know everything about, although I will admit I don't know the whole story, as I'm sure some of you do.
The point is, I know YJ has helped me, and most all of you in the past in one way or another. I know he was hard to get along with, and has been rude and pissed a lot of people off. He also has lied and deceived people.
On the other hand, you can't deny that he didn't help a lot of people and he did contribute a lot to this board.
What YJ said a few posts back, he was obviously pissed off. Maybe he didn't have any right to be, or whatever. Its not my job to speak on his behalf or defend him.
All I know is YJ has always been straight with me and hes helped me out in the past, and I'm gonna keep that in mind through all this.
@ww: Drop the drama bro. I realize YJ probably said some **** to you that offended you and pissed you off. Theres no need to assert your feelings to everybody about how you feel about one person. People have opinions and we all need to respect them. Insulting people who have different views is not right. Maybe I don't know the whole story, and maybe neither does TX or some of the other people defending YJ, but thats no reason to insult people or try to act like we're on the YJ vs everyone else team or something. Its not like that dude. Everybody makes mistakes, and like I said, I know YJ helped me once or twice, I bet he helped you too. Try and remember that. All I'm saying is be civil towards differing opinions.
@Biggin: Please don't tell me I haven't contributed to this board, because I have. Do a search under my name if you don't believe me, but frankly thats irrelevant. The posts about YJ started at this board, and so they deserve to be here. Regardless of whether or not I actively post here doesn't make a damn. If you don't agree with me, then thats cool. But when you start to insult people and ****, thats not cool. If you want to know why people who never post are posting know just about this, is because every bodybuilding board on the net has a post about this and it links HERE. Anyway - Just relax dude, like you said - its only an internet message board.
@Bobo: Basically the same thing I'm saying to WW. Keep in mind that YJ did do good things, despite all the lies and whatever else. I know he did wrong, and I'm not trying to defend that, but think what it would of been like if YJ never posted here in the first place. I know theres a lot of stuff to read and see, but I really don't have the time or care that much about it. I'd rather go read about some supplements or something. Thats probably not a valid argument, but if I want to watcha soap opera, I can turn on my TV.
If yall don't agree with me, then thats fine. I really don't think the insults and childishness is necessary though. This is you guys board, and you have to do what you have to do and I understand that. Theres a reason I quit actively posting here, and this just reiterates its. I have some gripes about some stuff posted here, but thats really irelevant to this conversation and if you wanna ask me about it you can PM me.
Anyways, I mean no disrespect to anyone and I hope everyone else can dig that and do the same to me. Everyone has an opinion they're entitled to, whether or not everyone agrees with it.
The point is, I know YJ has helped me, and most all of you in the past in one way or another. I know he was hard to get along with, and has been rude and pissed a lot of people off. He also has lied and deceived people.
On the other hand, you can't deny that he didn't help a lot of people and he did contribute a lot to this board.
What YJ said a few posts back, he was obviously pissed off. Maybe he didn't have any right to be, or whatever. Its not my job to speak on his behalf or defend him.
All I know is YJ has always been straight with me and hes helped me out in the past, and I'm gonna keep that in mind through all this.
@ww: Drop the drama bro. I realize YJ probably said some **** to you that offended you and pissed you off. Theres no need to assert your feelings to everybody about how you feel about one person. People have opinions and we all need to respect them. Insulting people who have different views is not right. Maybe I don't know the whole story, and maybe neither does TX or some of the other people defending YJ, but thats no reason to insult people or try to act like we're on the YJ vs everyone else team or something. Its not like that dude. Everybody makes mistakes, and like I said, I know YJ helped me once or twice, I bet he helped you too. Try and remember that. All I'm saying is be civil towards differing opinions.
@Biggin: Please don't tell me I haven't contributed to this board, because I have. Do a search under my name if you don't believe me, but frankly thats irrelevant. The posts about YJ started at this board, and so they deserve to be here. Regardless of whether or not I actively post here doesn't make a damn. If you don't agree with me, then thats cool. But when you start to insult people and ****, thats not cool. If you want to know why people who never post are posting know just about this, is because every bodybuilding board on the net has a post about this and it links HERE. Anyway - Just relax dude, like you said - its only an internet message board.
@Bobo: Basically the same thing I'm saying to WW. Keep in mind that YJ did do good things, despite all the lies and whatever else. I know he did wrong, and I'm not trying to defend that, but think what it would of been like if YJ never posted here in the first place. I know theres a lot of stuff to read and see, but I really don't have the time or care that much about it. I'd rather go read about some supplements or something. Thats probably not a valid argument, but if I want to watcha soap opera, I can turn on my TV.
If yall don't agree with me, then thats fine. I really don't think the insults and childishness is necessary though. This is you guys board, and you have to do what you have to do and I understand that. Theres a reason I quit actively posting here, and this just reiterates its. I have some gripes about some stuff posted here, but thats really irelevant to this conversation and if you wanna ask me about it you can PM me.
Anyways, I mean no disrespect to anyone and I hope everyone else can dig that and do the same to me. Everyone has an opinion they're entitled to, whether or not everyone agrees with it.
Biggs
Well-known member
pogue said:
actually not referring to you at all Pogue, no disrespect meant, and none taken. opinions are opinions and it's perfectly fine, we've both stated ours. as you say, you don't know the whole story, and this does make it difficult to have a fully informed opinion. actually this is also perfectly fine, some (most, actually) people just don't care that much, precisely because they don't know... and so, taking what little information they have strictly at face value, it is much easier to say "who cares, it's just drama, lighten up etc etc"... but criticizing the decisions of those who do understand the ins and outs of the whole situation, and are the ones who are left with the responsibility of taking action, is quite unwarranted in my estimation. these types of things quickly tend to rub me raw, that was basically my point I suppose. peace bro.
John Benz
Banned
POGUE
It's obvious you're not getting the picture here. You are trying to turn this unto a personal quarrel and cast doubt on the integrity of the mods. The ONLY personal insults were those spewed by YJ.
And you cool off, it's only an internet message board. But real live people come here for good, honest advice. And they deserve to get the best possible answer every time, not just when YJ gets lucky.
It's obvious you're not getting the picture here. You are trying to turn this unto a personal quarrel and cast doubt on the integrity of the mods. The ONLY personal insults were those spewed by YJ.
And you cool off, it's only an internet message board. But real live people come here for good, honest advice. And they deserve to get the best possible answer every time, not just when YJ gets lucky.
pogue
Banned
Re: POGUE
Okay dude, whatever you say
This is why I don't post here anymore. Frankly, if you guys have beef with someone and want to sit around all day and bitch about it then have at it. I've got other stuff to do.
Secondly, if you're concerned about my "credibility" because I'm asking you to keep an open mind and not judge so quickly, then okay - don't listen to me.
JB, I'm pretty sure you deleted the page where you and him got into it about glutamine, and deleted a lot of studies and work I put into the scam thread. I'm not here to cast judgement on you, but I know you knew about this before this happened.
There's a lot of good knowledge to be had on this board, but peoples egos and need for self gratification get in the way and thats the problem.
If you read my posts on bb you'll know that I still push BDC's products because I think they're great, and I think that this board is tops. But all this bullshit that goes on like this is really a waste of mine and other peoples time. I hope Chemo reads this so he'll know that I'm not trying to disrespect him or his board.
What it all comes down to is this: some of the stuff YJ said was true. Despite all his lies and whatever, he had some correct information at some point in time. No one can deny that. If you want to sit here and slam me because I have a different opinion than everyone else then have at it, if it makes you feel good. I'm not going to back down just because every mod and admin on this board gangs up on me.
I'm not going to defend him, or say anymore about this because this isn't my problem and this isn't my issue. Its YJs and all the people that have a problem with him.
John Benz, I know you're a smart dude and know your ****. I also know you don't like YJ and probably never have. Even though I disagree with you about glutamine doesn't mean I still won't listen to you about other stuff.
Anyways, I hope people can chill out for the sake of this board and its members.
If you want to talk to me anymore about this, please email me at the address below. I don't want to cause anymore problems here, and obviously my opinions don't meet that of majority on here so I'll go elsewhere.
I'll still continue to let people know about BDCs products, regardless of how I feel about things.
Adios!
John Benz said:It's obvious you're not getting the picture here. You are trying to turn this unto a personal quarrel and cast doubt on the integrity of the mods. The ONLY personal insults were those spewed by YJ.
And you cool off, it's only an internet message board. But real live people come here for good, honest advice. And they deserve to get the best possible answer every time, not just when YJ gets lucky.
Okay dude, whatever you say
This is why I don't post here anymore. Frankly, if you guys have beef with someone and want to sit around all day and bitch about it then have at it. I've got other stuff to do.
Secondly, if you're concerned about my "credibility" because I'm asking you to keep an open mind and not judge so quickly, then okay - don't listen to me.
JB, I'm pretty sure you deleted the page where you and him got into it about glutamine, and deleted a lot of studies and work I put into the scam thread. I'm not here to cast judgement on you, but I know you knew about this before this happened.
There's a lot of good knowledge to be had on this board, but peoples egos and need for self gratification get in the way and thats the problem.
If you read my posts on bb you'll know that I still push BDC's products because I think they're great, and I think that this board is tops. But all this bullshit that goes on like this is really a waste of mine and other peoples time. I hope Chemo reads this so he'll know that I'm not trying to disrespect him or his board.
What it all comes down to is this: some of the stuff YJ said was true. Despite all his lies and whatever, he had some correct information at some point in time. No one can deny that. If you want to sit here and slam me because I have a different opinion than everyone else then have at it, if it makes you feel good. I'm not going to back down just because every mod and admin on this board gangs up on me.
I'm not going to defend him, or say anymore about this because this isn't my problem and this isn't my issue. Its YJs and all the people that have a problem with him.
John Benz, I know you're a smart dude and know your ****. I also know you don't like YJ and probably never have. Even though I disagree with you about glutamine doesn't mean I still won't listen to you about other stuff.
Anyways, I hope people can chill out for the sake of this board and its members.
If you want to talk to me anymore about this, please email me at the address below. I don't want to cause anymore problems here, and obviously my opinions don't meet that of majority on here so I'll go elsewhere.
I'll still continue to let people know about BDCs products, regardless of how I feel about things.
Adios!
John Benz
Banned
POGUE
You're wrong about me bro. I always liked YJ until I began to realize he was lying to me. I can't tolerate a liar, sorry. I'm also sorry I lost my temper back there. I've always liked you, but you made this out to the fault of the mods. Everything; all the drama rests squarely on the shoulders of one person. The fact that he helped build this board is what kept him in good grace for this long. He ran off about as many members as he brought in. Many a night, me and weave will run after a member on their way out the door and ask them not to leave over one incident. But it gets embarrassing when you have to apologize to visiting mods who are flamed for no reason.
I don't want to be the reason you leave this board, and I will delete that. But I ask that you read Bobo and jweave's posts in their entirety. And consider this, Even if YJ was correct in 90% of his advice,(he wasn't) would you want to be one of the 10% that followed totally erroneous advice, especially if it was aas inject and dosage advice? Later, bro.
You're wrong about me bro. I always liked YJ until I began to realize he was lying to me. I can't tolerate a liar, sorry. I'm also sorry I lost my temper back there. I've always liked you, but you made this out to the fault of the mods. Everything; all the drama rests squarely on the shoulders of one person. The fact that he helped build this board is what kept him in good grace for this long. He ran off about as many members as he brought in. Many a night, me and weave will run after a member on their way out the door and ask them not to leave over one incident. But it gets embarrassing when you have to apologize to visiting mods who are flamed for no reason.
I don't want to be the reason you leave this board, and I will delete that. But I ask that you read Bobo and jweave's posts in their entirety. And consider this, Even if YJ was correct in 90% of his advice,(he wasn't) would you want to be one of the 10% that followed totally erroneous advice, especially if it was aas inject and dosage advice? Later, bro.
Perrystone
New member
Re: POGUE
Bump. You aren't standing alone on that point.
John Benz said:
Bump. You aren't standing alone on that point.
Chemo
Brewing Anabolic Minds
Re: Re: POGUE
We do not push products around here. When someone wants recommendations between BDC, Avant, or other transdermals I ALWAYS tell them to brew their own for cheaper. This has always been our focus here - TO TEACH OTHERS HOW TO BREW. I'll be the first to tell you that BDC transdermal sales will be discontined within 2 more months...BUT THIS BOARD WILL STILL LIVE.
Pogue, I take offense to you statement as it is directly AGAINST our operating philosophy here. I have gone to great lengths to ensure we are free of the usual commercial trappings of a business associated with a forum.
Chemo
We do not push products around here. When someone wants recommendations between BDC, Avant, or other transdermals I ALWAYS tell them to brew their own for cheaper. This has always been our focus here - TO TEACH OTHERS HOW TO BREW. I'll be the first to tell you that BDC transdermal sales will be discontined within 2 more months...BUT THIS BOARD WILL STILL LIVE.
Pogue, I take offense to you statement as it is directly AGAINST our operating philosophy here. I have gone to great lengths to ensure we are free of the usual commercial trappings of a business associated with a forum.
There are details, other than YJ's identity crisis, at stake here. This has been brewing for months and goes beyond what has been presented. Behind the scenes episodes are more powerful, IMO, than simply lying about a few gear cycles. It appears to me that we are not too quick to judge but rather not quick enough.
Do not push BDC products...tell them to learn how to do it themselves as we will not be around very much longer. That's what this site is about.
Chemo
str8flexed
New member
windwords7 said:Conspiracy, you have got to be kidding me....
Chemo is dead on, this BS claim is a very typical YJ diversion tactic. If any of you have actually spent any amount of time at all with him you would know that. You all fail to realize that I have spent nearly EVERY DAY for the last year with the guy on AIM, the forums, and the telephone. We have talked for countless hours about buisness and personal stuff. I KNOW him, not just of him. Furthermore, I was one of his greatest champions when he was banned on BB.com and stood by him when almost no one else did.
If you dont have the knowledge and personal exp. to speak to this issue then you should be keeping your mouth shut.
I can vouch for this... WW7 definately made his opinion on that banning known.
windwords7
Well-known member
Thanks Str8. Str8 almost had to ban me for my defense of YJ!
That was along time ago and our old disagreements are water that has long passed under the bridge. BTW how is that shoulder of yours?str8flexed
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windwords7 said:
Thanks Str8. Str8 almost had to ban me for my defense of YJ!
Na, I never would have banned you... you just pissed me off a bit that's all. Shoulder is doing well... back up to about 95% strength, thanks for asking. I'm sorry about everything that has gone on here. I know a lot of people think I'm happy about this whole thing b/c I can say "i told you so" or some **** like that. Well, not really. I am just kind of dissappointed at how ruthless some people can be. I might get in a fight with someone... but I would never insult their family, or tell them "no one gives a **** about such and such ailment of yours." At first when I read this thread I kind of thought that it might actually be people trying to "set him up" i guess. It has happened to me on bodybuilding.com... someone signs in the chatroom with my name (you can sign up with any name) and then goes in and says horrible things to some of the people in there... BOOM, next day there is a thread about how much of a dickhead I am. But after seeing his responses to this I'll just say... I knew he was a jerk... I didn't know he was a heartless prick.
I'm sorry for all the mods here and I do mean that, I know how hard it is when you find out a friend has deceived you. And people will say "it's just the internet" so fucking what? Just because I can't see someone, doesn't mean I don't care for them, or they can't be my friend. I'm tired of people using the excuse "it's just the internet" for improper behavior and ethics. That excuse is reserved for people who have poor ethics and probably don't know how to conduct themselves in real life. One's personality does not magically change over the net... the real person will come through in some of the posts. After seeing some of YJ's posts... I knew what kind of person he was... but few believed me.
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bigpetefox
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So, who was in the library with Colonel Mustard holding the monkey wrench?
str8flexed
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bigpetefox said:
hmmmmm....
It was B-Boy... cept he at Colonol Mustard (mistook him for a hot dog)
windwords7
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<DIV>My thoughts exactly and to add to that for all of you who say "I lie to, after all, its just the internet" only goes to show that integrity and ethics are truly being whittled away in this nation. Every great civilization has imploded from moral depravity and eventually been completely destroyed as a result. Many would say that we are past the point of no return on the slippery slope of "it's not that bad".
If you've used that excuse already, whether written in this thread or in your head while reading it, consider that science has proven that the reason why we want to let people "off the hook" so quickly, the reason we are no longer outraged at the OJ's and Bill Clintons of the world, is that we want to feel better about our own inconsistencies so the minute we see someone "worse" than us we decide to excuse their behavior in order to feel better about our own issues of guilt ethical depravity.
Nobody is perfect, we all know that, but no one makes you lie, cheat or steal. There is a big difference in an occasional lapse of judgment where you choose the something wrong over what is right Vs. the pathological, deceptive, conscious choice person who says, I am going to BE a liar, BE a thief, BE a cheat, and makes that your day to day activity. </DIV>
GuyinLA
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windwords7, I take no issue with deeming YJ a liar, a strong term, but not necessarily inaccurate. I know as a moderator there is a whole lot you know that you may chose not to divulge. That said, is it really accurate to use "steal" or "cheat" to describe YJ's actions? Usually steal and cheat are used in the context of financial gain. However, using another's intelletual property without attribution can be construed as cheating or stealing. Is that what you were alluding to?
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