Where can I get standalone 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran?

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I was wondering if there is any standalone 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran or divanil being sold. I was putting all my hopes in BioCor Nutrition DivaMax Stinging Nettle Root. If anyone could tell me if they are going to be restocked at nutraplanet that would be great or if I can get an alternative standalone divanil supplement? It would be really nice if divanex was magically in stock
 
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Nutraplanet sells their own brand
 

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I was wondering if there is any standalone 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran or divanil being sold. I was putting all my hopes in BioCor Nutrition DivaMax Stinging Nettle Root. If anyone could tell me if they are going to be restocked at nutraplanet that would be great or if I can get an alternative standalone divanil supplement? It would be really nice if divanex was magically in stock
Endosurge turbo might be a viable replacement. The price point is legit and it has a nice dose of divanil even if it has some added ingredients such a vitamin d, l-dopa, and maca. Not exactly what your looking for but the closest thing I know of.
 
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Nowhere. The 95% stuff is not 95% either. Most of it is 5% at best. This was a big area of discussion back in 2010
 

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I remember all those discussions, it is hard to believe that was 4 years ago.
 
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Also F1 Test by Hybrid, but they were recently called out on the AMP Citrate debacle and their product had none. So YMMV...
 
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They posted a copy of the CoA that their supplier sent them from China. That doesn't mean anything at all. There is no 95% material out there

Especially for $18 lol. Maybe some synthetic material for a few thousand dollars for 5 grams
Appreciate the info natty. Were you guys looking into this at one point?
 

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Thanks guys. I will check barlowe. Hopefully nutraplanet restocks divamax though
 
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Is there something else you would have rather said?

Maybe because it is, in fact, a brown powder.
I think what Natty is saying is that #1 there isnt any 95% anywhere out there. #2 that maybe the extract SHOULD NOT be brown.
 

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You should ask him why his 95% nettle root extract is brown
That's true it should be a white powder.Hopefully it is just as potent as other Wide spectrum containing dinavil extracts. I like barlowe he has good stuff.
 
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Out of curiosity, do you have a beef with barlowe's?
I had no idea who they were until you posted that link

Is there something else you would have rather said?

Maybe because it is, in fact, a brown powder.
If it is brown then it is not 95% material

I think what Natty is saying is that #1 there isnt any 95% anywhere out there. #2 that maybe the extract SHOULD NOT be brown.
Correct

Agreed on 1

2) it is brown
Then it is not 95%

If it existed, it wouldn't be brown.
Correct

That's true it should be a white powder.Hopefully it is just as potent as other Wide spectrum containing dinavil extracts. I like barlowe he has good stuff.
There has never been anything that I have ever seen that tests greater than 5%. Like I said earlier this was a major discussion a few years ago, it isn't secret underground news or anything. Chromadex put out a report on it as well back then

I dont know why everyone is getting so mad. I don't care if everyone buys the powder. I was just trying to help you guys out...sheesh. People get so angry when they find out they got ripped off...be angry at the person who ripped you off
 
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No disrespect whatsoever, I was merely asking.

Off topic, since 3,4D primary mechanism is to lower SHBG (and this is why we supplement with it), what would you recommend for this end goal?
 
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Tongkat. Viron for sure.
Can't find VIRON in stock anywhere. Will have to cut my cycle short unfortunately as I only have one bottle and am half way though it already...
 
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No disrespect whatsoever, I was merely asking.

Off topic, since 3,4D primary mechanism is to lower SHBG (and this is why we supplement with it), what would you recommend for this end goal?
Definitly would like your opinion on this Natty
 
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No disrespect whatsoever, I was merely asking.

Off topic, since 3,4D primary mechanism is to lower SHBG (and this is why we supplement with it), what would you recommend for this end goal?
Not a whole lot out there. SHBG is not heavily researched either in comparison to a lot of the other factors with testosterone. The big thing is, let's say something lowers SHBG. How long for? How much? How long until the body just generates more SHBG?

Let's say something blocks testosterone from binding to SHBG (in my opinion a more promising route to increasing free test), how long does it displace T for?

It would be great if researchers delved more into SHBG
 
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No disrespect whatsoever, I was merely asking.

Off topic, since 3,4D primary mechanism is to lower SHBG (and this is why we supplement with it), what would you recommend for this end goal?
3,4D is not the only lignand in Nettle with an affinity to SHBG.

It doesnt mean the material is not effective, it simply means its not exactly what it was claimed to be.

I believe Wright State University did a study on orginal mass fx which was simply Divnail + 25R, and showed a great increase in Free T. As well as countless blood works from solid products like EndoSurge, Activate Xtreme, Mass FX etc.
 

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Not a whole lot out there. SHBG is not heavily researched either in comparison to a lot of the other factors with testosterone. The big thing is, let's say something lowers SHBG. How long for? How much? How long until the body just generates more SHBG?

Let's say something blocks testosterone from binding to SHBG (in my opinion a more promising route to increasing free test), how long does it displace T for?

It would be great if researchers delved more into SHBG
I know my endo would disagree with this as this is the topic of discussion that we normally end up talking about. He personally doesn't seem to care so much about the number as long as the percentage of free to total is where he wants it. But their practice has quite a bit of information that they provide to assist in lowering the number IF it is elevated. Tongkat being a product they have success with and my labs back that.

I know people won't do this normally, but I still always say that before trying to alter something, why not find out where you are currently are to see if it is something you need to be concerned about in the first place.
 

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I was a bit apprehensive to try Viron it because I have used Pasak Bumi 50:1 and experienced raised cortisol levels. I read the write up of the lj 100 tongkat extract that the actives in tongkat ali increases CYP 17/ 17-hydroxylase/17,20 lyase enzyme activity which increases the rate at which pregnalone and 17 OH pregnalone converts into DHEA and testosterone. I cant help but feel their is a spill off in ACTH or some cortisol related corticosteroid

By their research they claim that Tongkat lowers cortisol but I do not find that to be the case especially when insomnia is a reported side effect in high dosages among users. I was taking a dose of 1 400mg capsule of 50:1 and every time I take it I feel my cortisol levels get high and can't sleep in the night. I had many trial and error bouts and I know for sure its the pasak bumi's 50:1 tongkat. I sleep well if I do not take it.

I know that the Viron tongkat,pasak and LJ 100 is supposed to be different, one is extracted for active chemicals and the other is a concentrated extract but I feel their wont be a difference. I know some users may not get the same sides I get, but I want to know if other users. experience raised cortisol levels with tongkat, particularly the Viron product, at low dosages.
 

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Also does any one have experience with live long's HGW 40% Icariin product? or World A.B.S. 60% Icariin? I am just itching to buy when I get the funds next month!
 

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TA can be speedy feeling if taken in higher doses and I highly doubt you were feeling raised cortisol. I can't take anything with TA in it after 3pm because it is energizing.
 
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I know my endo would disagree with this as this is the topic of discussion that we normally end up talking about. He personally doesn't seem to care so much about the number as long as the percentage of free to total is where he wants it. But their practice has quite a bit of information that they provide to assist in lowering the number IF it is elevated. Tongkat being a product they have success with and my labs back that.

I know people won't do this normally, but I still always say that before trying to alter something, why not find out where you are currently are to see if it is something you need to be concerned about in the first place.
I have used two products that have increased my Free T numbers backed by my bloods, which are Unleashed by PF and Viron by BLR. And I 100% agree with your last statement about finding out your numbers first.
 

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I have used two products that have increased my Free T numbers backed by my bloods, which are Unleashed by PF and Viron by BLR. And I 100% agree with your last statement about finding out your numbers first.
Do you remeber your results on the top of your head and did you had any cortisol related sides
 
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Do you remeber your results on the top of your head and did you had any cortisol related sides
I do not believe my cortisol was checked, actually I know it was not checked.

As far as the Free T numbers went I can go check the exact numers, but it was low normal to high normal. So, mine have not been out of range, but now it sits at tge very top end of the normal range. When you get this jump in Free T it is noticable and honestly you feel great. I get bloods done every 3 to 4 months as it only cost me 39 bucks and my doc lets me add whatever I want to it.
 

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I know my endo would disagree with this as this is the topic of discussion that we normally end up talking about. He personally doesn't seem to care so much about the number as long as the percentage of free to total is where he wants it. But their practice has quite a bit of information that they provide to assist in lowering the number IF it is elevated. Tongkat being a product they have success with and my labs back that.

I know people won't do this normally, but I still always say that before trying to alter something, why not find out where you are currently are to see if it is something you need to be concerned about in the first place.
We know based on data on low SHBG states that the body eventually lowers LH/FSH/total T production as part of increased feedback from the extra free T. There's ultimately no breaking the loop of homeostasis. The trick is to run things like this in bursts so that you can stay ahead of the game with respect to the body's natural endocrine regulation
 
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We know based on data on low SHBG states that the body eventually lowers LH/FSH/total T production as part of increased feedback from the extra free T. There's ultimately no breaking the loop of homeostasis. The trick is to run things like this in bursts so that you can stay ahead of the game with respect to the body's natural endocrine regulation
So, based of this info I should be really limiting my Free T supps as I want to keep my LH and FSH up. We are have been trying for a child. So, use these supps sparingly instead of keeping my Free T constantly high and my SHBG constantly low?
 
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So, based of this info I should be really limiting my Free T supps as I want to keep my LH and FSH up. We are have been trying for a child. So, use these supps sparingly instead of keeping my Free T constantly high and my SHBG constantly low?
Right, because using them year round won't keep them that way year round, your body will eventually fight against it and level out (homeostasis). If you are having trouble with fertility, you should talk to your doctor about gonadotropin treatment, as going to a doctor for fertility vs trying to fix it with supplements will be much more successful and faster
 
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Right, because using them year round won't keep them that way year round, your body will eventually fight against it and level out (homeostasis). If you are having trouble with fertility, you should talk to your doctor about gonadotropin treatment, as going to a doctor for fertility vs trying to fix it with supplements will be much more successful and faster
I wasnt using them year round nor was a using them to treat infertility. Thanks though
 

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ELROCK, when we were going for our girls, I stopped all supplements and just really cleaned up my diet. I didn't want any extra variables in play when we were trying.
 
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Generally why Dinvanill products are recommended for 8 week max cycles and avoided during first few weeks of PCT.
 

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ELROCK, when we were going for our girls, I stopped all supplements and just really cleaned up my diet. I didn't want any extra variables in play when we were trying.
 
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ELROCK, when we were going for our girls, I stopped all supplements and just really cleaned up my diet. I didn't want any extra variables in play when we were trying.
I am thinking about going that route soon. I was actually first planning on running ALCAR, trans-ferulic acid, vit C and maybe fadogia. Then, if that regimen failed I would try dropping all supps (will be hard for me).
 

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I do not believe my cortisol was checked, actually I know it was not checked.

As far as the Free T numbers went I can go check the exact numers, but it was low normal to high normal. So, mine have not been out of range, but now it sits at tge very top end of the normal range. When you get this jump in Free T it is noticable and honestly you feel great. I get bloods done every 3 to 4 months as it only cost me 39 bucks and my doc lets me add whatever I want to it.
That's good to hear I might just take the risk to get viron it was recommended to me before but bloods results is what helps me make the final decision. No need for nettle now. Okay one more question did you notice any sleep disturbances?
 

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