metroba
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Cool life story bro :tongue2:
When in doubt, empty the magazine III - GMG760's pre-summer cycle
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Cool life story bro :tongue2:
hman85
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You know it brotha! I am loving my test and it is just so much better than orals. no sides and just a all around good feeling all the time. Can't do much better than that....oh and it makes you swole as fukk.
don't use there garbage it is bunk.
Dragon93
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LOL I was already looking at them. I almost got those instead of the trifacta stack
ThisGuy2
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For his first cycle? I mean, I know furaz products don't have sides, and actually purportedly "help" LDL, but I say, when you can still get away w/ single product cycle, do it. 2 bottles of hdrol for a 6 week run ought to do a newb justice. It'll be slow and steady lean-ass gains in terms of mass, and plenty of strength increases.
I agree with your previous comment that mdrol is way too much for initiation, and I also agree w/ one a page back, if not hdrol, epi is a good starter.
hman85
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I agree with that. Halodrol is about as your can get for a first.imo Low sides and lean slow gains. Or test hehehehe
hman85
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They are legit. They have been used for years in japan.
Dragon93
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How do you think they will stack together?
hman85
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I believe that the oxyguno is just like halodrol but supposedly more potent if i remember correctly, and the furaguno is the same thing as orastan-a. I believe it would be a great lean mass stack. it isn't going to put alot of weight on you but you should lean out and gains some great lean mass and strength. i think it would be great.
Dragon93
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Cool I may try it. It will be like a budget stack. I got about a month before I start one. It will give me plenty of time to decide what I want to run.
ThisGuy2
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Actually, oxyguno was a completely different compound from anything out there. And I have yet to read anything that made me want to try it.
Spectraforce for the most part has a good rep though. I can tell you from experience their Hemaguno is a solid epi product. But I don't know that you can really get them cheaper than you can get CEL's. And CEL products are hands down the best thing out there now. Most of us know somewhere or other that still has 'em too.
As for furaguno, my only problem with it is that you really need to run it at a high dose to get anything, and even then, you really need to stack for gains. I personally have run it at 250-300mg, when I've used it. And only alongside two other compounds.
Honestly, hdrol or estane, those are your very best bets for a first time. Solid gains across the board at normal doses, low sides, and you don't have to break the bank. Hdrol will be a little harsher on the liver, epi could affect libido (at least for some, while others seem to have the opposite effect) or could give you lower back pumps. But again, starting some taurine a week out is a quick and inexpensive fix for that. And some get a mite aggressive on either. Both will provide lean, solid gains, though epi might offer just a little more. Overall, my vote would probably go toward hdrol.
GMG760
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I thought Oxyguno converted to clostebol. Which makes it like Pmag right?
Which is very very very similar to hdrol.
IDK where you could find spectraforce anymore, especially spectraforce that wasn't a year expired. I used Furaguno at 300mg for the final four weeks of my 6 week hdrol cycle. It was mild, I grew and got ripped. Really productive cycle, though I never actually felt on cycle... I just got big. Epistane and Mdrol both felt like I was on steroids. Epistane especially. Mdrol just made me feel like I took nyquil or something. I wanted to sleep all day.
So, today I got my research chems in the mail... for my lab guinea pig "fluffy" that I am going to be doing hormone experments on. Well, I got a two for one deal on both clomid and nolva, and when I open the package... guess what? Fluffy is gonna have a perpetual boner. They sent me a free bottle of tadalafil. :toofunny: Dead serious. Things should be interesting... I am wondering if I should tell Fluffy's girlfriend or if I should just let her find out the "hard" way. Get it? Hard way? Zing.
Well no libido worries now with the cycle, this should actually make things really interesting. hahaha
Definitely time for a DC Bicep/Leg workout and a libido check!
Which is very very very similar to hdrol.
IDK where you could find spectraforce anymore, especially spectraforce that wasn't a year expired. I used Furaguno at 300mg for the final four weeks of my 6 week hdrol cycle. It was mild, I grew and got ripped. Really productive cycle, though I never actually felt on cycle... I just got big. Epistane and Mdrol both felt like I was on steroids. Epistane especially. Mdrol just made me feel like I took nyquil or something. I wanted to sleep all day.
So, today I got my research chems in the mail... for my lab guinea pig "fluffy" that I am going to be doing hormone experments on. Well, I got a two for one deal on both clomid and nolva, and when I open the package... guess what? Fluffy is gonna have a perpetual boner. They sent me a free bottle of tadalafil. :toofunny: Dead serious. Things should be interesting... I am wondering if I should tell Fluffy's girlfriend or if I should just let her find out the "hard" way. Get it? Hard way? Zing.
Well no libido worries now with the cycle, this should actually make things really interesting. hahaha
Definitely time for a DC Bicep/Leg workout and a libido check!
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GMG760
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Tales from the battlefront:
Well I got done with another great DC workout today, here is how my first leg day went.
Standing BB curls - 95x9x6x5=20
Pinwheel curls - 50x15
Seated Calves - 95x15 dropset to 70x7... i gotta blast my calves... they need work.
Sumo Leg press - 630x9
Quad Extention - 250x10x6x3=19 widow - 150x20... oh god the pain.
Great workouts, I am loving the DC stretches again, although it was really good to take a break. I can't wait to start this bad boy... just 3 more days!!!
Well I got done with another great DC workout today, here is how my first leg day went.
Standing BB curls - 95x9x6x5=20
Pinwheel curls - 50x15
Seated Calves - 95x15 dropset to 70x7... i gotta blast my calves... they need work.
Sumo Leg press - 630x9
Quad Extention - 250x10x6x3=19 widow - 150x20... oh god the pain.
Great workouts, I am loving the DC stretches again, although it was really good to take a break. I can't wait to start this bad boy... just 3 more days!!!
GMG760
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So, late night web browsing... has anyone seen the muscletech NanoVapor Hardcore Pro Series or whatever stupid f*cking catch phrase they can add on to sell the same sh*t twice? Street Fighter 3 Alpha Turbo Edition ring a bell to anyone? I mean seriously... how long of a name do you have to make it before you make it a new name?
And WTF is up with Johnny Jackson having f*cking vampire teeth in the ad? Seriously? Vampire teeth? He looks like he should be in one of those Underworld movies. Why not just screw a grapefruit while he's at it? I mean if you're gonna sell out and make yourself look like a jack@ss why not get laid in the process.
Actually, Muscletech probably didn't even tell him what they were gonna do when the picture was taken, and some deushbag with a hard on for the twilight movies got the job for his photoshop re-touching and made some homo-erotic version of the picture with vampire teeth to take home for later, somehow emailed it to the wrong person (of course his friends who shared a hard on for the twilight movies would appreciate this ode to vampires on steroids so a few emails were sent out to discerning twilight fans) and it ended up in the muscletech advertising department and they thought themselves genius for their new product that not only pumps you up pre workout by using "cryogenic technology" and "nano-physics", but now it turns you into a motherf*cking vampire.
And WTF is up with Johnny Jackson having f*cking vampire teeth in the ad? Seriously? Vampire teeth? He looks like he should be in one of those Underworld movies. Why not just screw a grapefruit while he's at it? I mean if you're gonna sell out and make yourself look like a jack@ss why not get laid in the process.
Actually, Muscletech probably didn't even tell him what they were gonna do when the picture was taken, and some deushbag with a hard on for the twilight movies got the job for his photoshop re-touching and made some homo-erotic version of the picture with vampire teeth to take home for later, somehow emailed it to the wrong person (of course his friends who shared a hard on for the twilight movies would appreciate this ode to vampires on steroids so a few emails were sent out to discerning twilight fans) and it ended up in the muscletech advertising department and they thought themselves genius for their new product that not only pumps you up pre workout by using "cryogenic technology" and "nano-physics", but now it turns you into a motherf*cking vampire.
ThisGuy2
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Way I understand it, PMag (which is indeed very similar to HDrol, little more strength and weight gain, slightly less lean) converts to clostebol. Hdrol converts to Tbol. And Oxy is something else. The reason they're thought to be so similar is because they're all 4-chloro compounds that are 17a methyls. But as you can see here, they vary as you follow the chain.
PMag -
4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
HDrol -
4-chloro 17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol
Oxy -
4-chloro-17α-methyl-etioallochol-4-ene-17β-ol-3,11-dione
I've actually heard that they have quite different effects, w/ Oxy being more like a stanz product than anything else. And anyway, you wouldn't really stack PMag and HDrol, but you could stack this. Still, like oyu said, they're all way expired anyway at this point. Not to mention, way undersdosed, which is why Spectra products tended to be cheap; you had to buy sh!tloads of 'em!
thundergod
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That was indeed a nice little bonus. How many servings in that bottle of tadalafil? Fluffy is going to have a perpetual smile on his face!! :silly:
ThisGuy2
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No, what I was saying was that hdrol is harsher on the liver, which is a pretty widely accepted position. Likewise, most maintain that epi is pretty mild in that regard.
And that aside, let's assume they are exactly identical in terms of liver strain, the most you'd ever take of epi is 50mg, though most max at 40, and only toward the end of a cycle. Meanwhile, you start hdrol at 75mg, and most find the sweet spot between 100-150mg. So you're talking about consuming 2-3 times as much active of a 17a methyl daily for hdrol vs. epi, never mind whic has a rep for what.
GMG760
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30... should last me a damn long time.
metroba
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My hamster only needs like 2-5mg and it lasts for days.
delsolrob
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is it 100mg/ml?
GMG760
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Dragon93
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Ya I did and i think it is stupid. That and the product isn't vary good.
hman85
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Yeah i believe though that per mg epi is probably more toxic.Check this comparison of the liver tox levels
metroba
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GMG760
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ThisGuy2
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Yeah, but that's not really a scientific comparison.
Also, if you read through it, it says that Epi could increase risk of gyno. On the contrary, epithios have been used by many to combat onset. It also gives Halo a +1 for bloat, and I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain about that. Hdrol is known to be VERY dry.
Without them providing liver values to compare, I don't really see how they can give that little +1 or -1.
Now mind you, I'm not saying epi doesn't carry with it some liver damage. Just stating that hdrol has more the reputation for it. I personally think it's worse than epi, but I suppose I could be wrong. Just not convinced off of this.
By the by, I actually stacked estane w/ pmag once, and...something else. Liquidrone? I'm pretty sure it was a 19-nor. Anyway, combined the two evils and that turned out pretty nice, actually. Good, extremely lean gains and strength through the roof. Lot of shedding though.
delsolrob
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maybe per mg, but when was the last time you saw someone run epi at 75mg or 100mg?
hman85
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yeah exactly it is all relative to the compound. imo 20 mgs of superdrol is no where close to toxicity levels of anything else at 20mgs.
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metroba
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seriously good stuff
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hman85
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of stuff that's available today...yeah! but 20mg of M1T could do some damage
touche i forgot about ye ole m1t. Mean stuff
Dragon93
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I found this in another thread and thought I would post it here.
Newb we live and we learn
GRAPEFRUIT JUICE
this just gave a whole new meaning to the grapefruit diet
I will be adopting this protocol going forward, the studies i have read are very compelling, interested to hear from AM members personal experiences with this
This was brought to my attention this morning by a learned member, i have been doing some research and with the help of "copy and paste" i present to you
grapefruit inhibits the enzyme CYP3A4. This enzyme is responsible for breaking down substances through 6beta-hydroxylation. grapefruit only inhibits CYP3A4 in the small intestine. The enzyme is also found in the liver, but grapefruit does not affect it there. Less CYP3A4 in the small intestine means that a large group of substances is more easily absorbed by the body.
Between 17 and 46 percent of these hormones leave the body in the 6beta-hydroxylated form.
Basically, if you drink 250ml of grapefruit juice with your oral medications, it will increase their absorbtion, blood serum concentrations, etc...There was a study done specifically with some 17A drugs, but I decided not to copy it here. The article I did copy (below) is alot more reader-friendly and less technical.
If you are too lazy to read the article, here's the summary:
Drink 250ml of grapefruit juice (thats 8.4 ounces) with your oral steroids, and you just need to drink it once per day, even if you take your orals spread out throughout the day.
I've seen studies where absorbtion of some drugs was increased by up to 500%! (I read this study)
Also...before you ask about the effects of grapefruit juice on oral rec drugs the answer is YES, this applies to ALL ORAL MEDICATIONS/DRUGS infact xanax for example has a warning on the label as do many other prescription drugs
Bottom line adopting this protocol will give you more bang for your $buck, of the 75mg of VAR a day i am ingesting more will be absorbed by the body so the effect is as of having taken a higher dose
Here's the article:
James Maskalyk
Editorial Fellow, CMAJ
Grapefruit juice interacts with a number of medications. This unusual discovery was made serendipitously in 1989 during an experiment designed to test the effect of ethanol on a calcium-channel blocker.1 The observed response was later determined to be due to the grapefruit juice delivery vehicle rather than the alcohol. In the past decade, the list of drug interactions with grapefruit juice has expanded to include several classes of medication, precipitating a recent advisory from Health Canada.2
The interaction: As little as 250 mL of grapefruit juice can change the metabolism of some drugs.3 This drug–food interaction occurs because of a common pathway involving a specific isoform of cytochrome P450 — CYP3A4 — present in both the liver and the intestinal wall. Studies suggest that grapefruit juice exerts its effect primarily at the level of the intestine.4
After ingestion, a substrate contained in the grapefruit binds to the intestinal isoenzyme, impairing first-pass metabolism directly and causing a sustained decrease in CYP3A4 protein expression.5 Within 4 hours of ingestion, a reduction in the effective CYP3A4 concentration occurs, with effects lasting up to 24 hours.6 The net result is inhibition of drug metabolism in the intestine and increased oral bioavailability. Because of the prolonged response, separating the intake of the drug and the juice does not prevent interference.
Individuals express CYP3A4 in different proportions, those with the highest intestinal concentration being most susceptible to grapefruit juice–drug interactions.5 An effect is seen with the whole fruit as well as its juice, so caution should be exercised with both.7 The precise chemical compound in grapefruit that causes the interaction has not been identified. There is no similar reaction with orange juice, although there is some suspicion that "sour oranges" such as the Seville variety, may have some effect.8 A recent study, however, that tested the known interference of grapefruit juice with cyclosporine showed no similar effect with Seville oranges.9
There is some interest in the potential therapeutic benefit of adding grapefruit juice to a drug regimen to increase oral bioavailability.3 The limitation is the individual variation in patient response. However, if the chemical that causes grapefruit's CYP3A4 inhibition is elucidated, there may be an opportunity to modulate that pathway in a controlled fashion.
What to do: Much of the data obtained on grapefruit juice–drug interactions involved measuring serum drug concentrations in small numbers of healthy volunteers. Because of the limited data and only occasional case reports,10 it is difficult to quantify the clinical significance for individual patients. One may assume that the interaction occurs primarily with oral medicines, and only with those that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, with the consequence being increased oral bioavailability, higher serum drug concentrations and associated adverse effects.
Physicians should review medication lists often, with the goal of warning patients about adverse interactions. A list of medicines with which patients should not consume grapefruit is provided in Table 1.3,11,12 In the case of several medications that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, but for which a clinical effect has not been elucidated or is theoretical, patients should be advised to consume grapefruit cautiously and be monitored for toxicity.
metroba
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Not sure if Gmoney cares or not. He may want to school you on all this in his thread :dunno:...maybe I'm being presumptuous. Not trying to be an ass man but sounds like you need to get some more research under your belt before poppn any roidz.
