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When in doubt, empty the magazine III - GMG760's pre-summer cycle

GMG760 said:
So I'm not sure if I was clear or not, maybe my plan is just spot on... idk. Anyway, I posted my stash in I guess an attempt to give anyone the option of suggesting a better stack to do so. This is the best stack I came up with, but I am always down for good ideas, maybe even for the next cycle... which would be a winter bulking cycle.

If the phera/epi plan I laid out sounds good to everyone, that is what I'll run. Any suggestions will be considered and appreciated.
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A few days late to the party, but sub-diddly-dubbed, homie.

I like your plan. Of course, if it were me :sgrin: I'd probably opt to include the MMV in that there bad bitch. Just pre-wo on lifting days at, oh, IDK, 4-6 caps. That sh!t had me up to 365 on my bench last time I ran it. You want to talk about strength gains. Plus, it'll add to the leaning you're getting from the epi, helping keep you dry through all that mass gain from the pplex, which tends toward wet. Not to mention, at least for me personally, I experienced no sides at all on it...except the desire to literally tear down my fukcing walls for about 3 hours following my wo.

Oh, and this is probably just a personal preference thing, but I usually don't get much from epi until week 3, which is why I always run it 5-6 weeks. You've got experience with it already tho, so if 4 weeks works for you, more power. I really need to plan a 4-weeker myself. I think my last maybe 5 have all been 6 weekers. And my run starting May will be too. lol

Anyway, just some thoughts because you asked. But your original plan looks pretty solid. Good luck with it brutha. Can't wait to see what goes down. Tear sh!t up!:AR15firing:
 
GMG760 said:
I wouldn't trade my ASGT for anything either, but this is my first venture into this territory with 2 compounds that are methyls... and I don't really need a heart attack at 26.
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Yeah, you should get plenty of pumps etc without a preworkout or pump product, esp when you stack the two compounds. I honestly don't see the reason to add them into the mix when you could focus more on monitoring BP etc.
 
TG2- I realize that epi doesn't kick in quickly, but I am only working with 2 bottles of epithio, and I only want to go through one bottle during this cycle. It made more sense to me to use some of my pplex at a low dose alongside it to make a quick and efficient cycle. I really want to avoid the shutdown a double methyl 5-6 weeker would bring, not to mention I don't have time to PCT before Hawaii (big reason). I have had a string of high dose (epi, hdrol, 1AD/4AD) cycles and honestly am curious to attack this from a different angle, by combining two hormones at lower doses. I have read about some people preferring to use multiple compounds but at more sensible doses. We'll see how it works out for me.

I've thought a lot about the M1D and MMV3... Idk if I really feel like living in excess this cycle. I would use the M1D on cycle, but IC recommended using the forma-d for the last 2 weeks through PCT instead.

Anyone else have any thoughts on the MMV3 or the M1D? I love the MM line, it's aggression is great, just don't know if its overboard.
 
Here is a good site on Pro Hormones profiles and stacking.
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Thanks for the info bro.

They both attach to the androgen receptor... anyone see this as a flaw in the cycle or just a potential danger to my hairline?... lol.
 
GMG760 said:
TG2- I realize that epi doesn't kick in quickly, but I am only working with 2 bottles of epithio, and I only want to go through one bottle during this cycle. It made more sense to me to use some of my pplex at a low dose alongside it to make a quick and efficient cycle. I really want to avoid the shutdown a double methyl 5-6 weeker would bring, not to mention I don't have time to PCT before Hawaii (big reason). I have had a string of high dose (epi, hdrol, 1AD/4AD) cycles and honestly am curious to attack this from a different angle, by combining two hormones at lower doses. I have read about some people preferring to use multiple compounds but at more sensible doses. We'll see how it works out for me.

I've thought a lot about the M1D and MMV3... Idk if I really feel like living in excess this cycle. I would use the M1D on cycle, but IC recommended using the forma-d for the last 2 weeks through PCT instead.

Anyone else have any thoughts on the MMV3 or the M1D? I love the MM line, it's aggression is great, just don't know if its overboard.
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Yeah, I hear you. 6 week cycles take a toll in a lot of ways. I was just saying I personally hadn't had much luck w/ epi at 4 weeks. The pplex alone ought to provide plenty of mass anyway. I've never tried it, but always been curious. I just generally avoid wet compounds. Done right and on someone already as lean as you, they work nicely though. Personally, I only just got to 11% now myself, and am trying to drop to 10 by the time I get on cycle, at which point I hope to come down to single digies. So pplex definitely is not in my foreseeable future.
 
Well, I am not sure how the pplex is going to effect any gyno reaction to me, so I was interested in running epistane with it for the AI properties. With Hdrol, I would probably have to run ATD like 25mg eod or soemthing, and I'd want to run it for 6 weeks...
 
Well then give it hell with your normal stack. The most that could happen is that you save money on razors.
 
Hahahaha. Naw, my head isn't THAT shaved. I just use a No.2 with clippers every Sunday... very short, but still there. I'm not worried at all about my hairline, it was mostly a joke.
 
I'm only going on what I read. It sounds like you have some experience with them. I haven't taken any yet.
 
I was thinking of trying Fizogen On Cycle II Hardcore It has superdrol, halodrol and Trenobol all in one.
 
Dragon93 said:
I was thinking of trying Fizogen On Cycle II Hardcore It has superdrol, halodrol and Trenobol all in one.
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Good lord that is a harsh cycle you are talking about there... I hope the doses are not overkill. Tren and Superdrol sounds like major shutdown to me. For those of you that are into running hormonals, I am trying to get rid of the one bottle I have; PM so it can find a new home. I don't plan on running anything like that in the foreseeable future and this will go well in the summer cut mode many are in. I will leave it at that so mods don't jump all over me.
 
Pplex's wetness depends on users diet. It's glut-4 properties is the main reason. People think you can eat all kinds of carbs and it'll go straight to the muscle...not entirely true
 
Fizogen? The guys who made "The Strap"?

Well, if it is the same company, I haven't heard many good things about them, and that would be a pretty intense combo for your first venture down the rabbit hole.

I'd run Epi or Hdrol solo for your first cycle. I've ran 3 prohormone cycles, and 3 steroid cycles. I have run MMV2 solo, The Trifecta Stack, and 1Andro/4AD as prohormones. I have ran Epistane, Mdrol, and Hdrol as steroids. I guess some people consider Hdrol a prohormone... some people say it's active. Epithio and Methyldrostanolone are definitely steroids.

The more I run designer steroids, the more I think the next time I want to cycle I am just gonna suck it up and buy some test and just do the do. My girlfriend knows what I am up to, and she is cool with it, plus she is studying to be a nurse... maybe I could convince her to do my injectz.
 
Serving Size 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container 30
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
80% Milk Thistle Extract 100mg †
4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Androst-1,4-Diene-3-17b-Diol 25mg †
Lecithin (LPC) 20mg †
Estra-4,9 Diene-3, 17 Dione 10mg †
2a, 17a Dimethyl Etiocholan 3-One, 17b-Ol 5mg †
Bioperine 5mg †
 
I actually have some Stanzolol on order. I have enough to run 300mg a day for 4 weeks. What about Pplex and Stanzolol? Would that be better than Epi/Pplex? Or would Epi/Stanzolol be a better plan?

Ah... choices. The good thing is I am chomping at the bit for this cycle to start, and I have nothing holding me back from any choice I really want to make.
 
Dragon93 said:
Serving Size 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container 30
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
80% Milk Thistle Extract 100mg †
4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Androst-1,4-Diene-3-17b-Diol 25mg †
Lecithin (LPC) 20mg †
Estra-4,9 Diene-3, 17 Dione 10mg †
2a, 17a Dimethyl Etiocholan 3-One, 17b-Ol 5mg †
Bioperine 5mg †
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Interesting doseages. The estra-9 doseage doesn't make much sense, but maybe it is just to throw a progestin in there to help with the joint issues from superdrol and hdrol. 15mg superdrol and 75mg hdrol a day sounds like magic though. Kinda rough still for a first cycle.
 
Dragon93 said:
I was thinking of doing 2weeks then 4 weeks pct then repeat.
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Not meant to offend you, but where have you been reading about cycling steroids?

That sounds like a way to cycle M1T or Superdrol, but not Tren or Hdrol.

That cycle would best be a 4 weeker, probably 1tab/2tabs/2tabs/ 2-3tabs.

4 weeks of superdrol is pretty tough, but at 5-15mg you would be ok. 10-30mg of tren and any dose of hdrol for 2 weeks is pretty pointless. You will not see anything from Hdrol in the first two weeks, nobody does. Tren kicks fast, but at about 90mg. The superdrol is the only really logical compound in that mix that you could run at that dose for the 2on/4off weekly plan that you are talking about, and if I was gonna run it for a short time I would run it at 20-30 mg.
 
GMG760 said:
Not meant to offend you, but where have you been reading about cycling steroids?

That sounds like a way to cycle M1T or Superdrol, but not Tren or Hdrol.

That cycle would best be a 4 weeker, probably 1tab/2tabs/2tabs/ 2-3tabs.

4 weeks of superdrol is pretty tough, but at 5-15mg you would be ok. 10-30mg of tren and any dose of hdrol for 2 weeks is pretty pointless. You will not see anything from Hdrol in the first two weeks, nobody does. Tren kicks fast, but at about 90mg. The superdrol is the only really logical compound in that mix that you could run at that dose for the 2on/4off weekly plan that you are talking about, and if I was gonna run it for a short time I would run it at 20-30 mg.
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I was reading on another site that a guy was running it 2 on 4 off and did good with it. but I like the way you said to cycle it. I'm still researching it. I like to know what I'm doing before I jump in with both feet.
 
The only thing his body is reacting to is the Superdrol, which at a low dose for 2 weeks probably yields decent enough gains at fairly low toxicity in the 10mg range. The other two compounds are pretty useless in that dosing structure (IMO) unless they are using the tren to lubricate the joints. Hdrol has no place in a two week cycle structure.

Gains yielded by such short cycles will be nearly impossible to maintain. Lots-o-hormonal fluctuation in that method as well. I tend to think its better to just go one way, then the other rather than bounce around with your hormones. Shut your test down with a compound and then get it going again and leave it there for a while... sounds like a better time than having your hormones do a u-turn on you ever 2-4 weeks.
 
That makes sense. I'm still debating on running it. I have a chance on getting some for cheap.
 
Yea bud, a straight 3-4 weeker would be a good bet for that cycle. The Mdrol/Hdrol is pretty crazy together. Just get ready for it, it's not gonna be a walk in the park to use methyldrostanolone on your first cycle. Take my advice right now and buy some bulk taurine for that cycle. lol.
 
Well Dang, I was telling someone in another thread I didn't have enough info to offer. If I stay in this thread I will be able to write a book on PH use. Way to go GMG!!!!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Well Dang, I was telling someone in another thread I didn't have enough info to offer. If I stay in this thread I will be able to write a book on PH use. Way to go GMG!!!!
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Hell I have learned allot. I love threads like this. That is why I came to AM. I think they should call it Anabolic Minds University.
 
deff get that Taurine!

-I got some MMV2 left over from a while ago and was thinking about finishing off the bottle..would I need a full PCT or not? I know....newbie question but Ive never really been big on LG stuff
 
GMG760 said:
I actually have some Stanzolol on order. I have enough to run 300mg a day for 4 weeks. What about Pplex and Stanzolol? Would that be better than Epi/Pplex? Or would Epi/Stanzolol be a better plan?

Ah... choices. The good thing is I am chomping at the bit for this cycle to start, and I have nothing holding me back from any choice I really want to make.
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Damn bro, I JUST returned 3 unopened bottles of PStanz. I would'a let you have them cheap. Oh well. Personally, I wouldn't recommend stanz and epi together. I thought they'd be the magic combo for cutting, and stacked w/ xtren for some mass. Oh...my...God. Worst joint pain I've ever experienced. I'm talking debilitating, wake up in the middle of the night because every position pain is emanating form the bones kinda sh!t. Shin, knee and hip ache was brutal. Will NOT do that again, I can assure you. Endured that for a week.

I personally love stanz products stacked with anything at 300mg. But your original inclination of adding the epithio for gyno prevention I think is probably a better idea. Plus, seems you want mass and epi's going to put a lot more on you than stanz.

As to what you said a few posts above this, pin it to win it brutha mayne! I'm not exactly advocating, just finally giving in myself and heading back that route after some 10 years since the first and only other time I pinned.
 
Dragon93 said:
How much Taurine should I take a day?
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When I dosed Hdrol at 150mg ED I had to take 5g, and when I was on clen recently I only had to do 3g...I have no experience with harsher orals (Mdrol, PPlex, Epi/Tren...) GMG knows
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damn, is it that time of year again?

sub'd homie...I'll e checking in as often as I can!

I also think we're due for a gym run in the near future.
 
GMG760 said:
The more I run designer steroids, the more I think the next time I want to cycle I am just gonna suck it up and buy some test and just do the do. My girlfriend knows what I am up to, and she is cool with it, plus she is studying to be a nurse... maybe I could convince her to do my injectz.
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Now you're talking. I wish I had taken the injectable plunge several years ago instead of running all those oral cycles. Orals are good to kick-start an injectable cycle, just not the best idea for a standalone cycle.
Test needs to be the foundation of any true anabolic cycle.......period.


Everything's better with Test!!:head:
 
thundergod said:
Now you're talking. I wish I had taken the injectable plunge several years ago instead of running all those oral cycles. Orals are good to kick-start an injectable cycle, just not the best idea for a standalone cycle.
Test needs to be the foundation of any true anabolic cycle.......period.


Everything's better with Test!!:head:
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Damnit! Why can I STILL not rep you??

Anyway, you've got my agreement on this. After including it in my last run (even though that was only a base homebrew TD), I realized at once what I'd been missing w/ all those oral cycles. Hence why I decided to pin the second my off-period is over. I'd never felt so good while on before. Of course, I also was only stacking w/ very low-no side compounds (var/proviron), but still. The feel goods were downright palpable.
 
GMG

If I decided to run that. What would you recommend for my PCT?
Sorry for Hijacking your log but it is nice to talk to someone that knows what they are talking about.
 
What about this product? It is another superdrol clone.
Methyl Vol
by EST
Or do you think the other one would be better?

Methyl Vol (2-alpha-17-alpha-di-methyl-5-alpha-androst-3-one) 10 mg
Vaso Plex (Nitric Oxide & Lean Muscle Modulator) 1002 mg
A-HCL (L-Arginine HCL)
AAKG (L-Arginine Alpha Ketogluterate)
AEE (L-Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL)
Malic Acid

Coleus Forsklin

Liver Dex (Cleansing Matrix) 210 mg
Milk Thistle, Red Beet Root, Black Cohosh Root
 
Don't do any EST hormones. Stuff is trash from what I can tell. I've ran their PP clone and I didn't see anything from it so it had to be bunk. The original PP gave me some of the best gains of my life.

You guys are a bad crowd. Always tempting me to go in the direction I keep telling myself I no longer need to tread. lol

Other than the Trifecta or Natabolic Stacks, I won't run anything other than Test at this point. Trifecta and Natabolic are awesome, and test is obviously sweet when ran for 15+ wks. It really just depends where you want to go with it. I love the more mild gains though. Test is fun, but in the long run I'd feel safer just sticking with the LG stuff. I can honestly say that. I've done it all.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Don't do any EST hormones. Stuff is trash from what I can tell. I've ran their PP clone and I didn't see anything from it so it had to be bunk. The original PP gave me some of the best gains of my life.

You guys are a bad crowd. Always tempting me to go in the direction I keep telling myself I no longer need to tread. lol

Other than the Trifecta or Natabolic Stacks, I won't run anything other than Test at this point. Trifecta and Natabolic is awesome, and test is obviously sweet when ran for 15+ wks.
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Ok that one is out.
 
Dragon93 said:
GMG

If I decided to run that. What would you recommend for my PCT?
Sorry for Hijacking your log but it is nice to talk to someone that knows what they are talking about.
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If I ran that stack I would copy my PCT from my current cycle. Clomid/forma-d, ASGTSE, and Postal, and some sort of cortisol suppression.

Dragon93 said:
What about this product? It is another superdrol clone.
Methyl Vol
by EST
Or do you think the other one would be better?

Methyl Vol (2-alpha-17-alpha-di-methyl-5-alpha-androst-3-one) 10 mg
Vaso Plex (Nitric Oxide & Lean Muscle Modulator) 1002 mg
A-HCL (L-Arginine HCL)
AAKG (L-Arginine Alpha Ketogluterate)
AEE (L-Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL)
Malic Acid

Coleus Forsklin

Liver Dex (Cleansing Matrix) 210 mg
Milk Thistle, Red Beet Root, Black Cohosh Root
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IC is right EST hormones suck. If there is something that is banned that you want, I can still find a lot of stuff... so PM me if you want the down low. It costs a little more, but it's all still out there.
 
I think you should look at a hormone other than methyldrostanolone for your first cycle.
 
GMG760 said:
I think you should look at a hormone other than methyldrostanolone for your first cycle.
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What would you recommend? I ran the LG trifecta stack. and some other week crap. I'm looking to add about 10 pounds of muscle
 
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