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What's Worked - Non-hormonal Anabolics

chemjr said:
Yeah, but there's something to be said for barlowes sourcing. His products always surpass my expectations so I'd guess you could use less and get similar effect.

And why have I not seen LGI secreteabridge noted on here? That stuff was a great natty anabolic for me. Wild yam extract and it's counterparts are no joke. Feels like 5mg of var. Which is significant. Makes me lift harder amd longer which makes me eat more and also seems to helps with recovery. Or maybe that's the food. Idk. Seems to help with digestion a bit in myself as well.

Also, do people not know that some probiotics are actually very important for muscle growth and test levels? I think there's a guy out there that makes a "test boosting" probiotic. Cannot recall where though and haven't used so couldn't say if it's any good. But can say I notice that when I'm out of my renew life Ultimate flora I do worse.


Ps- also gotta check his page twice a week for sales. Rando, products go up for half price and things like that so you may want to try barlowes version then....?
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Interesting about Wild Yam, when I started training I took a product containing this and Tribulus and it made me very aggressive.

I literally never see it in any supplements these days.
 
Slims said:
Original Anabeta contained 3,200mg serving of Anacyclus Pyrethrum (Anabeta's Powerhouse) and although Anabeta Elite still contains Anacyclus Pyrethrum, it's in a 3,000mg prop blend. So they lowered the powerhouse ingredient and put it in a prop blend
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Wow PES ruining one of their own OG formulas...shocking (not really, old news). Hey still have White Choc Mint Select.
 
00A said:
Yes was looking into it... but still curious why not on official site?
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In all honesty, and as much as I like PES, I'd recommend you look at getting one of the other natty anabolics mentioned in this thread. Sadly the new Anabeta isn't as good as it used to be.
 
Slims said:
Original Anabeta contained 3,200mg serving of Anacyclus Pyrethrum (Anabeta's Powerhouse) and although Anabeta Elite still contains Anacyclus Pyrethrum, it's in a 3,000mg prop blend. So they lowered the powerhouse ingredient and put it in a prop blend
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I think what intrested me is the Anacyclus Pyrethrum, if there other natty anabolics with it let me know, dont have be Anabeta.. plus the Pes pre didnt do anything for me so dont buy there stuff, think its overrated
 
00A said:
I think what intrested me is the Anacyclus Pyrethrum, if there other natty anabolics with it let me know, dont have be Anabeta.. plus the Pes pre didnt do anything for me so dont buy there stuff, think its overrated
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Olympus Labs' Test1fy supplies the full 3,200mg Anacyclus Pyrethrum dose that the OG Anabeta had, plus an open profile of loads of other goodies too.
 
Slims said:
Olympus Labs' Test1fy supplies the full 3,200mg Anacyclus Pyrethrum dose that the OG Anabeta had, plus an open profile of loads of other goodies too.
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I see, I don't wish for Testify as it contains other ingredients dont need right now.
But found this: PR-XT by Man Sports Invalid Link Removed
Very interesting profile, wonder if anyone tried it?
 
00A said:
I see, I don't wish for Testify as it contains other ingredients dont need right now.
But found this: PR-XT by Man Sports Invalid Link Removed
Very interesting profile, wonder if anyone tried it?
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That actually does look pretty good. Would be interested to see real forum reviews for it.
 
Honestly, MassMax XT paired with Ara gives me similar feeling/results as OG Anabeta did but on a better level. All day fullness (pump), hunger, increased strength and weight gain.
 
R1balla said:
Honestly, MassMax XT paired with Ara gives me similar feeling/results as OG Anabeta did but on a better level. All day fullness (pump), hunger, increased strength and weight gain.
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Do you dose both at the same time prior to a workout.
 
chemjr said:
Yeah, but there's something to be said for barlowes sourcing. His products always surpass my expectations so I'd guess you could use less and get similar effect.

And why have I not seen LGI secreteabridge noted on here? That stuff was a great natty anabolic for me. Wild yam extract and it's counterparts are no joke. Feels like 5mg of var. Which is significant. Makes me lift harder amd longer which makes me eat more and also seems to helps with recovery. Or maybe that's the food. Idk. Seems to help with digestion a bit in myself as well.

Also, do people not know that some probiotics are actually very important for muscle growth and test levels? I think there's a guy out there that makes a "test boosting" probiotic. Cannot recall where though and haven't used so couldn't say if it's any good. But can say I notice that when I'm out of my renew life Ultimate flora I do worse.


Ps- also gotta check his page twice a week for sales. Rando, products go up for half price and things like that so you may want to try barlowes version then....?
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Correct. I was mocked when I released Gut Health in 2006 as both a health/immune boosting and physique improving probiotic formula - even after posting the studies showing increased nitrogen usage/protein absorption.
 
dsade said:
Correct. I was mocked when I released Gut Health in 2006 as both a health/immune boosting and physique improving probiotic formula - even after posting the studies showing increased nitrogen usage/protein absorption.
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People mocked the guy who kept telling doctors that they were the cause of the "black death of childbed" in the 1800s. He told them the issue was that they didnt wash their hands and they caused the plague. They laughed at him for 30 years.
 
Slims said:
600mg of a 10:1 extract. So about 5-6 caps a day to be comparable to OG Anabeta and with only 60 caps per bottle it'll only last about 10 days :/
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its only $12 though... so if you get 3 bottles, its $36 which is what the OG Anabeta will run ya or used to cost
 
Just came in to throw my 2 cents.

I'm new to supplements and never tried OG Anabeta.

I have tried ABE and did see noticeable strength gains, I would say at a rate of about 85% of the strength gains of Follidrone 2.0. The only difference being is I also saw a hunger increase with ABE which I hated, since I naturally am always hungry and never full till I clear out an entire restaurant :(.
 
come to think of it not a lot has ever worked, i wish i could get back the 1000's of dollars i spent looking for a magic bullet.

a good pre with creatine,TMG, beta-alananine, citrulline and agmatine will help

ARA works but i feel i always lose the size once i stop taking it.
PA i like to think does something.

epi and laxo i wouldnt waste my time on anymore if someone gave it to me.

a good whey protein shake with maybe extra leucine.
 
AdelV said:
Interesting about Wild Yam, when I started training I took a product containing this and Tribulus and it made me very aggressive.

I literally never see it in any supplements these days.
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Does it to me too. That's why I love it, great pwo. Get those extra reps and seems to make me more vascular and def feel harder. It's in LGI secreteabridge. "Diosgenin" and the other one spelled very similarly are both certain stages of the extract. Add in some beet extract and arginine and you got a cheap massive pump and agression for pwo.
 
dsade said:
Correct. I was mocked when I released Gut Health in 2006 as both a health/immune boosting and physique improving probiotic formula - even after posting the studies showing increased nitrogen usage/protein absorption.
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Is it still around? I was thinking of trying that all thing male or anabolic men (can't remember which) guys probiotic that is supposed to help with test levels and ball size and all that stuff but if it us I'd like to compare. And if it is, are there any codes? :-)))
and the gut-brain correlation is strong! But it see,so so many forget this/ don't know. I had a guy that started loosing weight (fat guy) and a guy who bulked up a bit who could never* bulk, both after starting a probiotic protocol I put them on. PB8 eod, ultimate flora eod. That combo seems to work well and if you can find on sale isn't that bad.
 
ericool007 said:
a good whey protein shake with maybe extra leucine.
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That's why frank Zane was always popping leucine caps back in the day and got the nickname the chemist, bc he knew it was the most anabolic amino out there, which is why if I can find hmb for cheap I grab it up- a better form of leucine.
Can often find "leucine-agma" on sale for dirt cheap. Found a tub for 8$ and best 8$ I ever spent. Will always keep eye out for it now as the combo works great and leucine is just great and it also has a great form of it. Buffered hcl
 
chemjr said:
That's why frank Zane was always popping leucine caps back in the day and got the nickname the chemist, bc he knew it was the most anabolic amino out there, which is why if I can find hmb for cheap I grab it up- a better form of leucine.
Can often find "leucine-agma" on sale for dirt cheap. Found a tub for 8$ and best 8$ I ever spent. Will always keep eye out for it now as the combo works great and leucine is just great and it also has a great form of it. Buffered hcl
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how much leucine was zane taking per day.
 
chemjr said:
That's why frank Zane was always popping leucine caps back in the day and got the nickname the chemist, bc he knew it was the most anabolic amino out there, which is why if I can find hmb for cheap I grab it up- a better form of leucine.
Can often find "leucine-agma" on sale for dirt cheap. Found a tub for 8$ and best 8$ I ever spent. Will always keep eye out for it now as the combo works great and leucine is just great and it also has a great form of it. Buffered hcl
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Clear muscle if you can find it for cheap wouldn't be a bad idea either i do remember running a bottle and feeling like it was decent for recovery. Free acid hmb
 
I have a bottle of Prime, Pink Magic somewhere, I guess I should run them? No one ever spoke highly of them when they were around as far as I remember. ?
 
AdelV said:
I have a bottle of Prime, Pink Magic somewhere, I guess I should run them? No one ever spoke highly of them when they were around as far as I remember.
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You can throw away pink magic lol Prime was very hit or miss. Some people loved it, others not so much.
 
AdelV said:
I have a bottle of Prime, Pink Magic somewhere, I guess I should run them? No one ever spoke highly of them when they were around as far as I remember. ��
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I always heard good things about prime back in the day even my heavily steroid using friend liked it which seems fishy.

As far as pink magic lololol
 
R1balla said:
You can throw away pink magic lol Prime was very hit or miss. Some people loved it, others not so much.
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ericool007 said:
I always heard good things about prime back in the day even my heavily steroid using friend liked it which seems fishy.

As far as pink magic lololol
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Really? I swear people were offering me decent coin for my bottle of Pink Magic on this very forum! How odd ?
 
USP's Prime and PES' original Anabeta were two of the best natty anabolics ever in my opinion. The only thing that comes close these days in terms of actual strength gains is ARA.
 
jameschoi said:
Why was Prime killed off.
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I think you can still get it in some places but it's no where near as available as it used to be. It was just one of those supplements that seem to be very individually selective in terms of responsiveness and effectiveness, it either worked for you or it didn't.
 
InItForGainz said:
I think you can still get it in some places but it's no where near as available as it used to be. It was just one of those supplements that seem to be very individually selective in terms of responsiveness and effectiveness, it either worked for you or it didn't.
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Prime is on ebay for 99 bucks lol
 
AdelV said:
Really? I swear people were offering me decent coin for my bottle of Pink Magic on this very forum! How odd ��
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I always heard great things about Pink Magic too. I never had the chance to try it though..
 
Can someone explain how Water Chestnuts added lean body mass? Can't imagine something so potent wasn't copied by every other supp company and still available today? When you can't keep something on the shelves, it tends to stay around - whether it works or not (Thighmaster, ShakeWeight, etc...).
 
chemjr said:
Is it still around? I was thinking of trying that all thing male or anabolic men (can't remember which) guys probiotic that is supposed to help with test levels and ball size and all that stuff but if it us I'd like to compare. And if it is, are there any codes? :-)))
and the gut-brain correlation is strong! But it see,so so many forget this/ don't know. I had a guy that started loosing weight (fat guy) and a guy who bulked up a bit who could never* bulk, both after starting a probiotic protocol I put them on. PB8 eod, ultimate flora eod. That combo seems to work well and if you can find on sale isn't that bad.
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Absolutely. There's a huge discount on the Gut Health year supply. There is also a Gut Health 12% code (MAH12).
 
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