What's the max protein shakes when in Anabolic Mode?

STEELCITY

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Me personally..

I weigh 220lbs and I have a hard time taking in that amount in protein in grams. The second I get out of the shower I've been using a pump of DS. After that, I will throw 50 grams of protein into my shaker cup and I'm out the door.

At work I'll snack on some Greek yogurt and mozzarella cheese but I don't get a good big meal a lot of times.

I workout late and after my workout I'll have my second 50 gram protein in the shaker cup.

So, those (2) shakes= 100 grams+ yogurt/ 15 grams+ mozzarella/15 grams= Overall 130 grams of protein.

I might eat a chicken sandwich from Wendy's late night or I might just snack on some peanut butter at home.

Bottom line, my diet is horrible! Is it ok to throw in a 3rd shaker cup of 50 grams of protein in a day? I've heard no before because it would be better to just eat.
 
food is king but protein body won't necessarily hurt

you don't like chicken, eggs, or beef, or even fish? you best bet since you're very busy is to either microwaved ready stuff or just cook a bunch of chicken on the weekends and take some with you. other snacks high in protein are beef jerky, milk

and dudei f you're 220 just having that how are you not starving to death?
 
I love chicken, eggs and beef. My problem is I like my carbs :1zhelp:

But I'm always busy and I drink a lot of coffee which suppresses my appetite too.
 
You could add another shake, but why not just bring some food to work; chicken, beef, turkey, etc? I have a very busy schedule as well and leave for work with 2-3lbs of meat (with veggies, carbs, fats, etc.) in tupperware containers daily.

What else are you eating? Like Swollbraham mentioned, I don't know how you aren't starving or how you're able to maitain weight based on the amount of food you've listed.
 
Definitely. Pack your lunch with whole food packed with protein and then a good protein shake and carb drink around your workouts.
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It would be fine to take in another shake as far as weightloss/gain is concerned but with regards to health you should really consider expanding your diet and eat more meats and veggies
 
Drink as many as your little heart desires, my rule is 1, 25-30gs of whey every night pre bed and the rest is whole food....
 
Everyone agrees that real food is better, but....

If you're not going to make it happen then I would say definitely add the extra shake. People always want to tell you not to do something because there's something else would be even better. And while they're right, I say the best nutrition plan is the one you're actually going to follow. So definitely try and get more whole food meals in and get them more frequently. But on the days when that's just not going to happen, have an extra shake. Or two.
 
Theraflu said:
Everyone agrees that real food is better, but....

If you're not going to make it happen then I would say definitely add the extra shake. People always want to tell you not to do something because there's something else would be even better. And while they're right, I say the best nutrition plan is the one you're actually going to follow. So definitely try and get more whole food meals in and get them more frequently. But on the days when that's just not going to happen, have an extra shake. Or two.
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This... some days when I know whole food isnt an option I mass dose bcaas/eaas/etc..
 
You wouldn't believe how many shakes I get on some days where I'm on campus all day for classes or study sessions.

It's fine, it won't hurt, just be mindful that you are need to increase whole foods at some point. So for me, on weekends I eat tons of veggies and barely drink shakes for protein.
 
Sometime I just dont care to eat but I crave a nice shake...
 
Anabolic mode!!! I want that haha. Sounds like super saiyan...

Imo supplement all your protein with shakes and you will be fine, but it is still wise to eat other foods to get nutrients.

But going a bit deeper, you may want to ask yourself why you can't make and execute a planned out diet now. If you can't do it now, will you ever have so much free time in the future you can? And what do you need to do to take you to the level you want to be at. (I'm not asking you! Just stuff for you to think about!)
 
JudoJosh said:
You wouldn't believe how many shakes I get on some days where I'm on campus all day for classes or study sessions.

It's fine, it won't hurt, just be mindful that you are need to increase whole foods at some point. So for me, on weekends I eat tons of veggies and barely drink shakes for protein.
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Protein shakes are great for chaotic days like that, especially when things don't go as planned. I keep protein at work for those days where somebody goes and plans a conference at noon and then something else comes up and another something comes up and all of the sudden it's pushing 3 PM and I'm starving. A protein shake is just something that I can easily sip on while taking care of work "emergencies." However, I do then try to make up for those times with whole food.
 
breezy11 said:
You could add another shake, but why not just bring some food to work; chicken, beef, turkey, etc? I have a very busy schedule as well and leave for work with 2-3lbs of meat (with veggies, carbs, fats, etc.) in tupperware containers daily.

What else are you eating? Like Swollbraham mentioned, I don't know how you aren't starving or how you're able to maitain weight based on the amount of food you've listed.
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This...
Hard boiled eggs
Tuna Packs
Cans of chicken, salmon, tuna
beef Jerkey
String Cheese
Nuts even have some good trace protein

Bulk Cook Chicken, Turkey, Ground beef
Yogurt packs

Plenty of ways to get much more protein instead of whey which is nutrient void and very heavily processed. Try to strive for as much whole food as possible because of the micronutrients, vitamins and minerals which you will not get from whey protein or a diet based mostly off whey protein or protein bars (for being busy) Try to plan meals out before you head to campus or when you are out and about. it won't hurt to have an extra meal with you at all times.
Plan ahead = Recipe for success.
 
Thanks for all the responses guys..

At the end of the day you all are right. It's something that has to change. The sooner the better really. Even a few friends at the gym tell me to start packing stuff to take with me, and I do, just not enough. I bring enough just to hold me off. I don't even want to mention the next thing because I'm going to get abused.....

I work at a restaurant so call me looney :stupid:

I'm always running around and I don't really have enough time to sit and eat. I drink a lot of coffee and by the time I sit down all I have is my yogurt and cheese strings. I'm not saying I don't eat there at all. There are plenty of days where I eat there. But it's VERY inconsistent. This week, I ate chicken breasts 2x. I workout from 11pm to midnight, the second I jump in my car I have my protein waiting for me. Then I stop by Wendys or go home and make a PB sandwich or eggs. I am a night owl. I am up until 7am everyday. I am NOT normal man. Bottom line, I eat bullsh!t and my diet is VERY volatile.

The best would honestly be if I began to bring some more healthy snacks with me. (Fish I don't like). A big bag of almonds would help at work too. I do always have cottage cheese there. I think for me, an extra shake is not a bad idea to bring with me (at least until I figure out what I'm going to do, or how)

Why are veggies so critical guys? I love veggies, just curious.
 
No need to have a shake then get some more food to eat shortly after. MPS is still elevated, if you are working out late just go home and eat a meal. you will be fine. The whole window of opportunity is far overstretched especially if pre-workout nutrition is in check

When are Carbs and Protein VERY Important Post-workout?

Carbs:
- During leg Training + HIIT Cardio or doing a 2-3 hour intense workout session
Protein:
-Resistance Training in a fasted state (no meal consumed at least 3-4 hours prior)

When are Carbs and Protein of lesser importance Post-workout?

Carbs:
- 1-2 hour training session after a pre-workout meal (Small or mixed 2-3 hours prior to session)
Protein:
- Training after a meal composed of 20-40g Protein at least 1-2 hours prior to a workout in a fed state.

Overall Cliffs:

- Nutrient Timing can be beneficial but window of opportunity is not as big as believed
- Provided protein rich meal 3-4 hours prior to training, there is no stress about immediate post-workout protein supplement or meal
- Consume .4-.5g/kg of LBM in a pre/post workout exercise window spaced 4-6 hours depending on meal size.
- Post workout carb intake does not meaningful increase aabolicsm unless doing a 2 a day workout session involving same muscle groups. Glycogen is not a limting factor if you can consume enough Carbohydrates daily in the 24 hour period.


Veggies = Fiber, Vitamins, Minerals, Micronutrients
Eat them.
 
But Bob (@the solution) you are forgetting that he is having trouble hitting protein goals for the day. So yes while you are correct, the shake post workout may not be helpful WRT MPS, I wouldn't discourage the shake for him. If it is a convenient way for him to get some extra protein through the day I would leave it alone and instead get him to direct his energy to increasing protein intake other parts of the day .

individual context matters
 
JudoJosh said:
But Bob (@the solution) you are forgetting that he is having trouble hitting protein goals for the day. So yes while you are correct, the shake post workout may not be helpful WRT MPS, I wouldn't discourage the shake for him. If it is a convenient way for him to get some extra protein through the day I would leave it alone and instead get him to direct his energy to increasing protein intake other parts of the day .

individual context matters
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Which is where his lack of preparation comes into play here ^^^
 
The Solution said:
Which is where his lack of preparation comes into play here ^^^
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Agree but again, you have to take the individual into consideration. While meal prepping would be optimal, it isn't feasible for many people. It requires willpower that some just don't yet have extra to spare on that. So instead you start with small changes, path of least resistance. You leave everything in place and make small addittions. So in this case, leave the shake in since it is a habit for him already and work on incorporating protein into other parts of the day and work to develop that as a habit. Then after that, when we are hitting our macro goals we can tackle food quality and maybe do a nice cooked dinner every night. Or maybe some alternative ready to eat snack through the day and etc etc.

Not many people can take a bodybuilder prep type approach and revamp a whole diet/lifestyle routine to meet a goal. For these people the focus should be on developing habits, not taking away and reorganization.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Protein shakes are great for chaotic days like that, especially when things don't go as planned. I keep protein at work for those days where somebody goes and plans a conference at noon and then something else comes up and another something comes up and all of the sudden it's pushing 3 PM and I'm starving. A protein shake is just something that I can easily sip on while taking care of work "emergencies." However, I do then try to make up for those times with whole food.
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Yup I keep baggies of Select in my book bag always. Even if I'm not planning on using it that day, I still pack it.
 
JudoJosh said:
Not many people can take a bodybuilder prep type approach and revamp a whole diet/lifestyle routine to meet a goal. For these people the focus should be on developing habits, not taking away and reorganization.
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While i agree with this. It does not take long at all to bulk cook on a day off or even if you have a short break (during one of your days) chicken, turkey, beef, rice, potatoes etc in bulk and then take what you need. Even some microwavable things you can buy in the stores work great on the go (they have these for poatoes, chicken especially) which make easy meals. Another option is healthier take out choices like chipolte if there is one around or a subway to help with meeting needs. Packing a few sandwiches and using a shake on the side never hurts, but the lack of vitamins/minerals may be a thing that may catch up to the OP. Maybe a wise investment would be a greens formula (like OT + Greens) or Phytoform (by prime) incase that individual has to rely on other options besides a lot of whole foods to meet their daily quota of calories.
 
Thanks Judo and Solution..

Appreciate the advice and concerns. Both of you are right. Judo, I do have to develop these better habits and in the meantime keep doing what I am doing up until I figure out how to develop the better diet. Solution, I have to admit, I'm slacking and I really should start packing things with me. Actually, more things.

Typically, after I have my shake all I pack is (2) mozzarella string cheeses, (1) greek yogurt and (1) Nature Valley Protein bar. After that, either I'll have a meal before I leave work or after I leave the gym.

Chipotle is great, I wish I can go there more often but I'm at work 6 days a week. I will look into Phytoform though. I do currently have a Detoxifier/Alkalizer by Raw that I plan on starting in the next 10 days. I know that has a lot of nutrients.

I just need a kick in the ass.
 
Well we all realize our own mistakes, sometimes a bit of planning goes a long way ! a kick in the butt never hurt, but sometimes change is for the better!
Do what you can and in your schedule to make the necessary changes for the better time permitting, you have some quality options, take them and try them and see how it suits you!
 
Wasnt subway deemed not as healthy as the impression it promotes?
 
The Solution said:
While i agree with this. It does not take long at all to bulk cook on a day off or even if you have a short break (during one of your days) chicken, turkey, beef, rice, potatoes etc in bulk and then take what you need. Even some microwavable things you can buy in the stores work great on the go (they have these for poatoes, chicken especially) which make easy meals. Another option is healthier take out choices like chipolte if there is one around or a subway to help with meeting needs. Packing a few sandwiches and using a shake on the side never hurts, but the lack of vitamins/minerals may be a thing that may catch up to the OP. Maybe a wise investment would be a greens formula (like OT + Greens) or Phytoform (by prime) incase that individual has to rely on other options besides a lot of whole foods to meet their daily quota of calories.
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Phytoform is definitely a solid recommendation, kiwi strawberry is freakn delicious
 
hvactech said:
Wasnt subway deemed not as healthy as the impression it promotes?
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They were using some.type of rubber component in their bread lol
 
STEELCITY said:
Me personally..

I weigh 220lbs and I have a hard time taking in that amount in protein in grams. The second I get out of the shower I've been using a pump of DS. After that, I will throw 50 grams of protein into my shaker cup and I'm out the door.

At work I'll snack on some Greek yogurt and mozzarella cheese but I don't get a good big meal a lot of times.

I workout late and after my workout I'll have my second 50 gram protein in the shaker cup.

So, those (2) shakes= 100 grams+ yogurt/ 15 grams+ mozzarella/15 grams= Overall 130 grams of protein.

I might eat a chicken sandwich from Wendy's late night or I might just snack on some peanut butter at home.

Bottom line, my diet is horrible! Is it ok to throw in a 3rd shaker cup of 50 grams of protein in a day? I've heard no before because it would be better to just eat.
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1000g of protein per day bro! Or just get on that nitro & cell tech.
 
STEELCITY said:
Thanks Judo and Solution..

Appreciate the advice and concerns. Both of you are right. Judo, I do have to develop these better habits and in the meantime keep doing what I am doing up until I figure out how to develop the better diet. Solution, I have to admit, I'm slacking and I really should start packing things with me. Actually, more things.

Typically, after I have my shake all I pack is (2) mozzarella string cheeses, (1) greek yogurt and (1) Nature Valley Protein bar. After that, either I'll have a meal before I leave work or after I leave the gym.

Chipotle is great, I wish I can go there more often but I'm at work 6 days a week. I will look into Phytoform though. I do currently have a Detoxifier/Alkalizer by Raw that I plan on starting in the next 10 days. I know that has a lot of nutrients.

I just need a kick in the ass.
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Where I would start is by getting a calorie tracker app and start keeping a food diary. Just do this for like 2 weeks or so just to establish current baselines. Then you can assess where you can make changes. From your description it seems you may be under eating and be falling short on some macros. But too be sure, track everything for a week and see. Then we can look at what your short on and make some minor adjustments to be eternal get you to your needs. Once you are hitting you macro and kcal goals we can work on subsituting some of the less optimal food choices.

This is my recommendation
 
That sounds like a plan judojosh. Realistically, I'd like to drop weight. If I can get down to 200-205lbs, that would be great. Too much pressure on the knees and lower back. Nitro Tech and Cell Tech? You guys are making me a supplement junky! :)

And yes....Subway's bread did have that rubber crap that was used to make it. Then I noticed their employees or owners never eat there so I stopped too.
 
STEELCITY said:
That sounds like a plan judojosh. Realistically, I'd like to drop weight. If I can get down to 200-205lbs, that would be great. Too much pressure on the knees and lower back. Nitro Tech and Cell Tech? You guys are making me a supplement junky! :)

And yes....Subway's bread did have that rubber crap that was used to make it. Then I noticed their employees or owners never eat there so I stopped too.
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Just try and not get too caught up on the minituie. You will be surprised at the progress you can make by simply hitting goals
 
IMO whey is best post workout and to satisfy cravings for less healthy foods.

The variety and quality if flavouring these days makes whey a secret dieters weapon.

Otherwise whole foods.
If you can't eat enough to hit your macros add shakes
 
whole food is great but one should also keep in mind that in some cases, getting the right amount of calories to grow bigger from whole food alone can put a strain on your digestive system as it might have a hard tome digesting it all, which could make you feel sluggish. this might not be the case for the op, but im just saying. taking unprocessed or more natural types of whey could ease the digestive process without taxing your gut too much from food overload , while providing a good bioavailable source of protein for growth. its also good to get your protein from various sources
 
JudoJosh said:
Just try and not get too caught up on the minituie. You will be surprised at the progress you can make by simply hitting goals
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You are right. I set that rule for every single thing in my life except for my diet.
Driven2lift said:
IMO whey is best post workout and to satisfy cravings for less healthy foods.

The variety and quality if flavouring these days makes whey a secret dieters weapon.

Otherwise whole foods.
If you can't eat enough to hit your macros add shakes
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I look at it that way too. The type of protein plays a role too. The cleaner the better. I always buy the ON Gold Standard. I should start adding another one (or two) rather than nothing.
 
There are a lot of misconceptions about protein powder out there.

1. "It's not as micronutrient-rich as whole foods." Well, actually almost no high protein food sources are micronutrient dense. This is because it is chiefly carbs (fruits, veggies) that house the micronutrients. Whey protein has calcium and immunoglobulins...chicken has....iron.

2. "It won't build muscle as well." Actually, it may be superior for muscle growth: Invalid Link Removed
 
mr.cooper69 said:
There are a lot of misconceptions about protein powder out there.

1. "It's not as micronutrient-rich as whole foods." Well, actually almost no high protein food sources are micronutrient dense. This is because it is chiefly carbs (fruits, veggies) that house the micronutrients. Whey protein has calcium and immunoglobulins...chicken has....iron.

2. "It won't build muscle as well." Actually, it may be superior for muscle growth: Invalid Link Removed
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I was just reading a paper that pretty much confirmed your first point. Let me dig it back up
 
to add to what coops said, whole foods also contain fat and carbs so how can we know for certain that say chicken is superior to whey, gram per gram, when chicken also has fat (some parts of the chicken more than others, depending on which part), ditto for beef and red meat, etc etc. so its difficult to compare. i thin k their should be a place for both on a bodybuilders/athlete's diet
 
jp_x_type said:
to add to what coops said, whole foods also contain fat and carbs so how can we know for certain that say chicken is superior to whey, gram per gram, when chicken also has fat (some parts of the chicken more than others, depending on which part), ditto for beef and red meat, etc etc. so its difficult to compare. i thin k their should be a place for both on a bodybuilders/athlete's diet
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It becomes a question of which is more efficient for muscle growth. Whole foods have their place as does protein, but which is "superior" depends on the question being asked.
 
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