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Whats the hype?.... Test E sucks

orangutan

orangutan

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After doing 3 ph cycles (two of 1-ad and one m1t) i got decent results and decided to do my first injectable. i was thinking it would take me to the next level..... so i did research and everyone on here told me test E was good for first cycle. long story short ive been on it for 8 weeks and highly disspointed. yes i am stronger, but no weight gain at all... atleast nothing compared to the ph pill cycles i did. im just frustrated i guess, i feel like ive been pining myself for 8 weeks for no reason. I always thought injectables were suppose to be better....i'm beginning to feel people on this site give everyone too "safe" of recommendations on what they need to do...do i need to up my dose? is it possible i dont react to test very well? help

btw...my dose is 500mg a week. i also know the gear is legit. im intaking roughly 4000 calories a day in shakes and food
 
everyone reacts differently, but if its size ur looking for then up ur cals, maybe u need 4500 calories to grow. try that out and see what happens. if nothing happens then ur gear is probably garbage
 
just a question How do you Know you gear is legit? it's very hard to be positive unless it's prescribed. Test is Test so doesn't matter if it Eth, prop, cyp etc. It's not a designer its a solid Hormone. you said you had good results on PH's 1-ad and methyl 1-T
Well 1-ad converts to a version of testosterone and m-1t is a methylated version of testosterone You understand what I'm saying. Things like Epi, Winstrol, EQ, s-drol are different chemicals but Test is Test. Sorry to hear your not getting gains but's it's a little hard to factor in non response when you have gotten good results off of two test based products.
 
The hype is that you can keep your gains from injectable cycles

Also if you've been on test for 2 months and haven't gained a pound, there's something wrong with your diet. I can gain weight just fine natty (just if there's no steroids it'll be as much fat as muscle!)
 
well when i said i havnt gained any weight thats not entirely true... ive flucuated between 183-186 in the last month... i started at 180. so i guess theres somewhat of a weight gain but not exaggerated. its more of the type of weight gain u'd see by simply taking weight gainer(which i am).

i know the gear is legit because a guy im cycling with has gained 20lbs.... however, he is fat prone. i am not
 
i'd also like to add i know the gear is legit becaise im definently stronger... by a good 10-15lbs an exercise...
 
maybe you should have kickstarted with an oral

maybe you need higher doses

maybe you just need to eat more

hell man i don't know. if test doesn't work good for you that sucks. I hope it works good for me when i try it (soon baby)
 
well in that case you must be test-e resistant...i would immediately mail your remaining test to me and i will dispose of it for you.
 
Can you post a sample of your diet for me? Maybe there is something in there that could use some work. I know you said you were eat about 4K but maybe this will help. Also, maybe your training could be tweaked a little.
 
mixedup said:
Well 1-ad converts to a version of testosterone and m-1t is a methylated version of testosterone .
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sorry bro but I have to correct you on this one, 1-ad converts to 1-t (dihydroboldenone) and m1-t is methyl-dihydroboldenone both of them are very different from test on the A:A ratio

to the op , I got serious doubts about your "legit" gear
 
well maybe test only is slightly overrated....if it wasn't then people wouldn't take things like Deca, EQ, M1T, Superdrol on top of it.

Obviously test is a hormone and will increase the recovery...but I see lots of people run 750mg to 1gram per week and alot of people stack deca with it because its 5x stronger or something? I've never tried pinning test but I'd imagine its more of a little foundation for the hardcore drugs to run on top of so you dodge side effects and keep the gains.

M1T is supposed the be the strogest sh*t ever created haha...its methylated and hits you a million times faster than pinning E. So imagine the 15lbs you gain off of M1T in two weeks spread over 12 weeks....those gains wouldn't seem nearly as explosive.

Maybe continue your test for a another month and run something like superdrol, havoc, etc on top of it?
 
There are just WAY too many variables here to even try to guess what happened...Make no mistake though...injectible steroids are Bentleys compared to the Volvo PH/DS.

holy
 
If you can't gain on test than you should hang it up. Take up ping pong or something. Bodybuilding just isn't for you.

nunes said:
don't forget he said he had results with other stuff that's why I think the gear was probably bunk
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He's right.

holyintellect said:
There are just WAY too many variables here to even try to guess what happened...Make no mistake though...injectible steroids are Bentleys compared to the Volvo PH/DS.

holy
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He's right too.
 
I have a feeling your stuff isn't as legit/dosed as you think. As hard as this may be to believe. Ive ran a lot of PH's. My first test e cycle i gained 25lbs in 10 weeks, at 500mg/week. Like everyone said...PH's are crap compared to injectables. Most of them are oral derivatives or injectables that partially convert to some form of injectable steroids. Doing testosterone is 100% pure steroids into your body. Your bodies natural hormone. Your shits bunk man...by week 8 I had acne on my back, growing hair very fast, bloated, 20lbs heavier, strong as an ox...etc.
 
Test is test.

I think it's a good thing you witnessed this. Next time you will be able to increase the dose to maybe 600-700 mg.

Or run propionate would be a good idea. If you don't feel the prop withhing a few days, your gear ain't legit at all. Period.
 
This is the first time I have heard someone say that Test overhyped and that PH/PS are better.
 
nunes said:
sorry bro but I have to correct you on this one, 1-ad converts to 1-t (dihydroboldenone) and m1-t is methyl-dihydroboldenone both of them are very different from test on the A:A ratio

to the op , I got serious doubts about your "legit" gear
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No need to say sorry i'm an old fogey who isn't as hip to exact chemicals. Always glad to learn
 
monsterbox said:
M1T is supposed the be the strogest sh*t ever created haha...its methylated and hits you a million times faster than pinning E.
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I can think of a number of things off the top of my head that I feel are way stronger, Real Halo, Trenbolone, Anadrol, test suspension. I've gotten better results off any of those than M1t
 
cheque drops

methyl tren

lol
 
Actually you know what whoever you got it from could be a scammer. It's perfect right since your friend is using the same guy and stuff he gives one legit vial and vial of just oil he makes twice the money and then if you complain he says hey your friend just put on 20lbs you must be a non responder.
 
i think he was just expecting m1t gains and instead he is getting test gains. slow but steady. thats what i love about test you just keep building and getting better muscle condition/shape the longer you're on. and yes imho bc am is ranked so high on the googles alot of guys on am recommend lower dosages just to be on the safe side for people new to pinning looking for a noobie guide to gear and coming here.
 
ok well first off im not dead. atleast not yet haha. so i took into consideration that maybe it was a bad batch or what not... so i switched to a different brand enanthate, we'll see what happens. i know it is not the typical thing to do but if the gear was fake then it wont matter anyway, ill just continue the cycle. its a long drawn out process i understand so it should just work its way in if the last stuff was infact underdosed. if i start to notice a major difference ill just continue the cycle on to 14-16 weeks. my guess would be thats its underdosed...or i am underdosING.

i do notice effects, today my leg press was up about 100lbs. like i said i am definently stronger. however i do not care about strength and no looks, whats the point? ya its great to show off but its all going to fade when i get off the juice. i might as well smoke some meth if i wanted that

just some background.. when i did the 1-ad the first time i was 19. i went from 150 to 175 in 6 weeks, thought it was a miracle drug. but thats expected from first time use i know. then the m1t was just stupid strong, and harsh on the liver as well. my liver hurt each day like a just drank a 5th. i gained about 15lbs in 2.5 weeks. i lost most of it after i got off though, it didnt maintain at all like the 1-ad did. so pretty much i have all the strength of the ph cycles i did, but no weight...

to the guy who said i think oral ph's are better than injectables...thats not what i said. i clearly think injectable is better just based on the fact that they dont kill the liver
 
sfearl1 said:
i think he was just expecting m1t gains and instead he is getting test gains. slow but steady. thats what i love about test you just keep building and getting better muscle condition/shape the longer you're on. and yes imho bc am is ranked so high on the googles alot of guys on am recommend lower dosages just to be on the safe side for people new to pinning looking for a noobie guide to gear and coming here.
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dude your back is shredded
 
orangutan said:
ok well first off im not dead. atleast not yet haha. so i took into consideration that maybe it was a bad batch or what not... so i switched to a different brand enanthate, we'll see what happens. i know it is not the typical thing to do but if the gear was fake then it wont matter anyway, ill just continue the cycle. its a long drawn out process i understand so it should just work its way in if the last stuff was infact underdosed. if i start to notice a major difference ill just continue the cycle on to 14-16 weeks. my guess would be thats its underdosed...or i am underdosING.

i do notice effects, today my leg press was up about 100lbs. like i said i am definently stronger. however i do not care about strength and no looks, whats the point? ya its great to show off but its all going to fade when i get off the juice. i might as well smoke some meth if i wanted that

just some background.. when i did the 1-ad the first time i was 19. i went from 150 to 175 in 6 weeks, thought it was a miracle drug. but thats expected from first time use i know. then the m1t was just stupid strong, and harsh on the liver as well. my liver hurt each day like a just drank a 5th. i gained about 15lbs in 2.5 weeks. i lost most of it after i got off though, it didnt maintain at all like the 1-ad did. so pretty much i have all the strength of the ph cycles i did, but no weight...

to the guy who said i think oral ph's are better than injectables...thats not what i said. i clearly think injectable is better just based on the fact that they dont kill the liver
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25 pounds on 1-ad is crazy...****
 
There's a place you can send a sample of your gear to and they will test it and let you know if It's the real deal like you think it is. I don't know if I can post the link here but I don't see why not. Still, I'll stay on the safe side and if you want the link, PM me... since It's not a source you can buy from, it shouldn't be a problem.
 
severesoldier said:
There's a place you can send a sample of your gear to and they will test it and let you know if It's the real deal like you think it is. I don't know if I can post the link here but I don't see why not. Still, I'll stay on the safe side and if you want the link, PM me... since It's not a source you can buy from, it shouldn't be a problem.
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every single one of these places has been shutdown since ORD. u sure this place u know is real?
 
This thread makes me sad.

When test is considered "overrated", there is officially no hope for humanity. :sad:
 
thesinner said:
This thread makes me sad.

When test is considered "overrated", there is officially no hope for humanity. :sad:
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lol
now seriously, I think test is the best hormone to take in a gains/sides view but we got to admit that there's more powerful stuff out there with low sides also.
my favorite steroid is primo, no sides at all, low suppression and keepable dry gains , for me a must in every cycle
 
nunes said:
lol
now seriously, I think test is the best hormone to take in a gains/sides view but we got to admit that there's more powerful stuff out there with low sides also.
my favorite steroid is primo, no sides at all, low suppression and keepable dry gains , for me a must in every cycle
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So expensive, though.
 
ThomasRivera said:
Isn't that effective by the microgram?
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it's usually dosed in increments of 100mcg, but to reap any sort of anabolic benefits from it, you're looking at a couple milligrams. Of course, this is the second most toxic steroid there is, so cycles usually aren't for more than 2 weeks.
 
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